UbuntuDev_2006-07-06
09:59 mdz everyone here? 10:00 dholbach yes 10:00 sivang me here, but still drafting system-clean-up-tool === fabbione is === heno is here 10:00 sfllaw Well, I am. === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 Jul 20:00 UTC: Community Council | 12 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00 UTC: Marketing Team 10:00 mdz Kamion and doko are excused, infinity I believe is still on holiday 10:00 dholbach mvo is on holiday too 10:00 Riddell hi 10:00 iwj I'm here. === DonLorenzo [n=larry@unaffiliated/donlorenzo] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 10:00 rodarvus I'm here 10:00 dholbach doko wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him *shrug* 10:01 mdz fabbione,Mithrandir,BenC,ogra: ping === fabbione is here 10:01 mdz ah, I see fabbione and heno now 10:01 fabbione :) 10:01 BenC mdz: pong === pygi [n=pygi@83-131-235-55.adsl.net.t-com.hr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:01 ogra pong === algor [n=fs_1@62-101-126-209.ip.fastwebnet.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === manichinos [n=linux@host61-11.pool8711.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:02 mdz anyone seen Mithrandir? 10:02 GNAM hi algor, manichinos 10:02 fabbione i am texting him 10:02 manichinos hi :-D 10:02 mdz dholbach: doko said he would email an update but I didn't receive one; did he send it to you instead? === Darksun88 [n=michele@85-18-14-37.fastres.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:03 mdz oh, I found it 10:03 dholbach mdz: no, as i said he wanted me to do phone-to-irc gateway, but i couldn't reach him === Darksun88 [n=michele@85-18-14-37.fastres.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Sto] 10:03 fabbione mdz: Mith is on his way here 10:04 mdz ok 10:04 mdz we're going in random order for extra excitement 10:04 mdz Keybuk: you're first 10:05 Keybuk mdz: I don't have a pre-pasted plan, because I wasn't sure what we're supposed to actually be saying 10:05 Keybuk this-week: merges, driving soyuz by hand, buildd stuff === Burgwork [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:05 mdz Keybuk: I explained in the email what was expected; the usual status update + spec status 10:06 mdz Keybuk: you have 5 specs approved and targeted for edgy; are there any more pending? 10:06 Keybuk mdz: but we're not supposed to be doing spec work this week, no? :) 10:06 Keybuk mdz: nope, that's the set 10:07 mdz Keybuk: hmm? === manichinos [n=linux@host61-11.pool8711.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 10:07 mdz today was the deadline for getting specs approved for edgy, so it's a good time to review where they stand === jhemono [n=jhemono@84.5.150.66] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:07 mdz Keybuk: in the past week you made MOM a lot better :-P 10:08 mdz Keybuk: is the implementation status up to date on all of your specs? 10:08 Keybuk mdz: yes, the implementation status is up to date 10:08 mdz ok, thanks 10:08 Keybuk dash-as-bin-sh is implemented 10:08 Keybuk the others are either unstarted or started 10:08 mdz seb128: next 10:09 seb128 This week: 10:09 seb128 - mails catching up 10:09 seb128 - started bugs catching up 10:09 seb128 - GTK 2.10, work on GNOME 2.15.3 10:09 seb128 - syncs from Debian 10:09 seb128 . 10:09 seb128 Next week: 10:09 seb128 - keep catching up on bugs and syncs from Debian 10:09 seb128 - GNOME 2.15.4 10:09 mdz seb128: how are you doing on the merge? 10:09 seb128 pretty good, GNOME merges should be done for 2.15.4 next week 10:10 mdz ok, great 10:10 mdz we're doing very well on merge progress 10:10 seb128 :) 10:10 mdz if we maintain a good pace, we should meet our target next week 10:10 seb128 cool 10:10 mdz only 166 to go 10:10 mdz 165 10:10 fabbione mdz: the MoM doesn't show X 10:10 ogra just to mention thats a lot of Keybuks fault :) 10:10 fabbione add another 90 or so :) 10:10 ogra (that we are this fast) 10:10 pitti fabbione: main-manual.html 10:11 mdz fabbione: because it's a mess with mismatched .origs? 10:11 ogra new mom is awesome 10:11 mdz yes, well done Keybuk 10:11 fabbione mdz: it's a mess. <- full stop :) 10:11 fabbione pitti: not all of them show up there either 10:11 mdz thanks seb128 10:11 mdz Colin is next, he emailed an update 10:11 mdz seed-cleanup: Implemented. (People responsible for Kubuntu, Edubuntu, and Xubuntu seeds still need to merge the seed changes, which will probably be complicated; contact me if there are things you don't understand there.) 10:11 mdz ubiquity-advanced-partitioner: Approved. 10:11 mdz misc: All other specs approved. Merges going fairly well (have been helping out a bit with the X merge). Also in the middle of an oem-config reorganisation which is a prerequisite for (a) my sanity and (b) part of a Google Summer of Code project. 10:11 mdz next-week: Finish merges and oem-config reorganisation. Get the installer (at least d-i, and with any luck Ubiquity too) working in Edgy. 10:12 Keybuk mdz: it's because the source packages first appeared in Debian, and when they appeared in Ubuntu, they had higher version numbers -- so there's no base for the merge 10:12 mdz Riddell,ogra,janimo: note the seed-cleanup bit above 10:12 ogra yep 10:12 ogra i have it in my list for next week already 10:12 mdz ok 10:12 mdz Riddell: ack? 10:13 Riddell yep 10:13 mdz thanks 10:13 mdz rodarvus: next? 10:13 rodarvus sure 10:13 rodarvus * specs: 10:13 rodarvus - fully-automatic-swap-server is approved 10:13 rodarvus - ltsp-login-and-session-handling and edubuntu-xfce-desktop are under review (that will hopefully change very soon now) 10:13 rodarvus * past week work: 10:13 rodarvus - corrections/updates/clarifications to specs above 10:13 rodarvus - Merges: getting up to speed with Ubuntu X packaging, X merges/sync (many many thanks to fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion) 10:13 rodarvus - Edubuntu: EC meeting, new artwork lead was chosen (AliasVegas) 10:13 rodarvus - OLPC: catching up with development, mailing lists and code + received confirmation of developer board 10:13 rodarvus * next week: 10:13 rodarvus - continue X merges/syncs (fabbione has status page at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs) 10:13 rodarvus - hopefully merge/sync other unrelated/unclaimed bits 10:13 mdz rodarvus: I'll help you with those two specs today; what time do you leave/sleep? 10:14 rodarvus I'll sleep in 7-8 hours from now 10:14 rodarvus so, plenty of time 10:14 mdz ok, I'll have about 4 hours after the meeting before I need to go 10:15 mdz rodarvus: are there any specs other than those three which are potential targets for you for edgy? 10:15 rodarvus I'd also like to thank fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion for all the help with X merging 10:15 rodarvus I think I'm finally catching up to speed with it 10:15 rodarvus mdz, no 10:16 mdz rodarvus: that should leave you some time for X ;-) 10:16 pitti rodarvus: do you think you can put mesa on your list, too? it's currently 'my' merge, but I have no clue about it 10:16 rodarvus there's stuff (LTSP related) I'd like to do, but they weren't specced before UDS (well, I joined one week before UDS :) ) 10:16 rodarvus pitti, sure, I'll take it 10:16 mdz ok 10:16 mdz thanks rodarvus 10:16 mdz doko is next, he emailed an update 10:16 mdz it's long 10:16 mdz status this week: 10:16 mdz - OOo: 2.0.3 build, 2.0.2 security fixes for dapper and breezy (need building and testing) 10:16 mdz - syncs: about 130 python syncs from unstable, all other syncs for main with me as uploader done 10:16 mdz - specs: update specs, new python2.5 spec. 10:16 mdz - SoC: a bit admin stuff 10:16 mdz next week: 10:16 mdz - more python syncs, check for build failures in synced packages 10:16 mdz - finish packaging hints, we need it now. 10:16 mdz edgy-toolchain status: 10:16 mdz - required topics mostly done, the remaining topics are marked as optional, and may move to edgy+1-toolchain roadmap 10:16 mdz edgyplusone-toolchain status: 10:16 mdz - spec not yet approved 10:16 mdz - we currently lack a possibility to upload packages to a common area, currently testing is done with gcc-snapshot for bugs/compatibility; gcc-4.2 packages would overwrite the 4.1 based packages in edgy. 10:17 mdz - need to know when a prototype of the automatic-rebuild spec will be available, 10:17 mdz I hadn't seen python2.5; I'll target and prioritize 10:17 mdz Kamion approved it already 10:18 mdz hmm, it needs clarification though 10:18 mdz I'll talk with doko about it tomorrow 10:18 mdz edgplusone-toolchain is approved now, since he sent that email 10:18 mdz and targeted for edgy 10:18 mdz heno: next 10:19 heno * Approved this week: sudo-admin-atspi, sok, livecd-access, edgy-content, xubuntu-accessibility 10:19 heno * Implemented this week: access-ubuntu-com at http://access.ubuntu.com 10:19 heno * sok: Made two new keyboard layouts and did testing. The basic keyboard now works nicely IMO. At some point I should speak with those who know about non-latin input and the xkb system. 10:19 heno * forum-integration: talking with the forum team about a new theme that matches our main site better, including using the same tabs 10:19 heno * compiz-mag: Slow progress ATM. Will be targeted for edgy+1, though we may get something into universe for edgy. 10:19 heno * Other: helping newz2000 get started 10:19 heno * NEXT WEEK: more webmaster tutoring, try to get compiz-mag moving better forward, prepare live CD boot images and sounds 10:19 mdz sok is also approved and edgy-targeted now 10:19 heno yep, thanks 10:19 mdz heno: forum-integration is set to informational; should it not be? 10:20 heno yes it should. I guess I should mention that under 'other' if anything 10:20 heno all the specs are marked and targeted correctly now AFAICS 10:20 mdz ok, great 10:21 sivang I lost net connection for some secs, back now === HedgeMage [n=illecebr@freenode/staff/HedgeMage] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 10:21 mdz thanks heno 10:21 mdz pitti: next 10:21 pitti apt-get-debug-symbols: 10:21 pitti - pkg-create-dbgsym package is in edgy, announced it and called for testing 10:21 pitti - apart from bug fixes, this spec is done from my side, ball is in Soyuz field now 10:21 pitti automated-problem-reports: 10:21 pitti - tried various methods of reducing the coredump with objcopy without perfect results so far; just bzip2'ing the dump gives drastic shrinkage, though, so I'll just start with that 10:22 pitti - plan for next week: write first version of backend (crash interception and report generation) 10:22 pitti gcc-ssp: enabled in gcc since last Friday, no reported regressions so far; I set it to 'deployed' since not all packages have actually been rebuilt since then; nothing to do any more about this for now 10:22 pitti auto-unmount-notifications: 10:22 pitti - not started yet; not intrusive, so I'll deal with it after I'm done with my archive-wide specs 10:22 pitti non-spec work done this week: 10:22 pitti - merges: did all my merges except for mesa (beyond my abilities) and an updated cupsys merge (still to come, needs some serious thinking); also grabbed some merges from infinity, chmj, and a few others 10:22 pitti - google SoC mid-term review 10:22 pitti - couple of security updates 10:22 pitti - cups update for dapper 10:22 pitti - started gnutls12 -> 13 and libtasn1-2 -> 3 transitions; will finish that later since most of the transitions will be done through regular gnome and other uploads 10:22 pitti plan for next week: 10:22 pitti - help out others with merges 10:22 pitti - catch up with bug mail 10:22 pitti - work on automated-problem-reports 10:22 pitti - some outstanding security updates 10:23 mdz pitti: any edgyish specs which aren't approved yet? 10:23 pitti oh, I forgot, my specs are in good shape 10:23 pitti approval/edgy tag and time estimates are correct 10:23 pitti s/correct/current/ for the estimates :) 10:23 mdz and implementation status? 10:24 pitti too 10:24 mdz pitti: are the dapper printing updates already prepared? 10:24 Mithrandir present now, sorry about forgetting about the meeting. :-/ 10:24 pitti mdz: yes, I'm waiting for your ack for the 1.2.2 bug fixes I added 10:24 pitti mdz: well, cups is ready, ivoks is workign on gutenprint now 10:24 pitti but that's independent 10:25 pitti and we'll discuss hplip again === azeem [n=mbanck@host109.natpool.mwn.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:25 mdz pitti: do I have an email about that? Idon't see it 10:26 pitti mdz: shall we ressign apt-get-debug-symbols to some soyuz guy now to reflect it better? 10:26 pitti mdz: no, IRC ping, I can mail you if you want 10:26 pitti mdz: I just pastebin'ed you a small list of changes 10:26 mdz pitti: I'll care for apt-get-debug-symbols and soyuz, thanks 10:26 mdz pitti: I missed that; please do email 10:26 pitti will do 10:27 mdz pitti: thanks 10:27 mdz BenC: next 10:27 BenC libata-for-all-disks: IN PROGRESS: Libata is in the kernel, and some modules are being built. However, they are currently blacklisted until we test them and get the UUID conversion done. 10:27 BenC linux-kernel-crash-dump: IN PROGRESS: Starting integration of kdump/kexec into kernel. Hopefully will be available in stages over the next few kernel uploads. 10:27 BenC cfq-by-default: DONE: 2.6.17-4.6 implements this feature now. 10:27 BenC SPECS general: Status on all specs up-to-date 10:27 BenC ABAT: Stalled on IBM's side. Waiting to see what progress they've made 10:27 BenC Bugs: Steady flow, but manageable still. 10:27 BenC General kernel status: So far 2.6.17 seems pretty stable for most ppl. There are a couple of major issues, but they are isolated, and should be easily reconciled. Linux-restricted-modules and linux-meta now reflect 2.6.17 as the default kernel in Edgy. 10:28 mdz BenC: who's working on the probe-for-root bit? 10:29 BenC wasn't aware of the spec 10:29 mdz BenC: that's the name for the UUID mounting 10:29 fabbione wasn't probe-for-root done dapper? 10:29 fabbione in dapper 10:29 BenC yeah, UUID is a bit different I think 10:29 mdz fabbione: only for removable devices 10:29 fabbione it was marked as implemented by i don't remember by who 10:29 Mithrandir fabbione: it was, but the transition to put uuids in fstab isn't done. 10:29 mdz we deferred the rest 10:29 fabbione Mithrandir: ok 10:30 Mithrandir I implemented the d-i bits, but it's explicitly only enabled for USB/firewire devices. 10:30 BenC the UUID thing is spec'd out in libata-for-all-disks, since it was dependent on i 10:30 mdz Mithrandir: will you enable it by default for edgy? === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:Ubugtu] : Current meeting: Ubuntu Development Team | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 11 Jul 20:00 UTC: Community Council | 12 Jul 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 13 Jul 02:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 13 Jul 19:00 UTC: Marketing Team | 17 Jul 13:00 UTC: Kubuntu 10:30 Mithrandir mdz: I think that's in the spec, and it's a trivial change. I can do it, sure. 10:30 mdz ok 10:31 mdz BenC: can you do the migration for upgrades? 10:31 mdz or are you blocked on it? 10:32 BenC I can do the migration, but I'd really like someone to code review it === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:32 mdz Keybuk: can you assist with that? 10:32 BenC could easily screw up some systems if we don't get it right the first time 10:32 Keybuk mdz: libata? I believe it's part-assigned to me -- especially themigration stuff 10:32 mdz Keybuk: the migration specifically, yes 10:32 BenC Keybuk was supposed to do migration, but really I can start on it if need be 10:33 mdz so long as it's on someone's todo list 10:33 mdz I'm happy 10:33 mdz BenC: what's your plan for bugs regarding 2.6.15->2.6.17? 10:33 mdz are you going to ask the reporters to reconfirm with 2.6.17? 10:33 mdz that'd be a lot easier once we have a milestone, of course 10:34 BenC over the next two weeks I'm going to push some bugs to target 2.6.17 so they can be verified in edgy 10:34 Mithrandir mdz: knot-1 is planned in a week. I wonder if we'll make it, but we have to start sometime.. 10:34 mdz [TXT] edgy_probs.html 06-Jul-2006 20:44 160K 10:34 mdz impressive 10:35 fabbione all python and x-dev are basically uninstallable 10:35 mdz python is upgradeable now though 10:35 fabbione yeah probably 10:35 mdz anyway, we'll see what happens next week 10:35 mdz BenC: thanks 10:35 mdz iwj: next 10:35 BenC thanks as well 10:35 iwj have been doing: merges, spec reviews etc. 10:35 iwj firefox merge: still broken but I think I know what the problem is 10:35 iwj merges: mine done except for firefox and apparently gs-gpl (which I thought I'd done but perhaps I didn't upload it) 10:35 iwj automated-testing-deployment: now BLOCKED on xen-edgy 10:35 iwj xen-edgy: some work done by Chuck Short aka zul on the kernel; nothing by me yet; I need to check on the current status 10:35 iwj package-dependency-field-breaks: no further progress this week 10:35 iwj suggest-packages-for-filetypes: mvo has done some minor changes and I need to pick it up 10:35 iwj REQUEST: Merges become a lot easier if you make good patches and are sure to feed them upstream and/or to Debian. Ideally, nearly every merge should be a sync, surely ? When it's not we should consider whether to chase upstream and/or Debian again. 10:36 mdz iwj: does the firefox merge include the human theme addition? 10:36 iwj IMPORTANT: I propose that we move this meeting to 0700, 1500, 2300 UTC. Thanks to the nine people who replied with info. Sorry that first my mail to warthogs had various wrong dates and times. 10:36 iwj No. 10:36 iwj The theme is quite separate. 10:36 fabbione iwj: ++ on the meeting. 10:36 iwj That is, the theme is in a different package. 10:36 mdz I acked your meeting times proposal; does anyone wish to object now? 10:36 mdz iwj: I mean the change to use the theme by default 10:36 iwj mdz: No, that's not in this one but the diff is trivial. 10:36 pitti new time++ 10:37 mdz iwj: if it's trivial, please add it === dholbach is happy with the times 10:37 iwj I mean, _really trivial_. 10:37 BenC meeting time ++ 10:37 ogra ++ 10:37 iwj mdz: I'll do it in two uploads just because I'm paranoid. 10:37 iwj I want an easy-to-revert upload for it I think. 10:37 mdz so long as it isn't delayed 10:37 iwj But it won't take any actual time to do two rather than one. My computer can grind for a bit. 10:37 mdz ok 10:37 iwj Noted. 10:37 mdz sounds like the new meeting times are a hit, let's go ahead with it 10:37 iwj Excellent. 10:38 mdz iwj: please mail the Fridge folks and ask them to update the calendar accordinlgy 10:38 mdz accordingly 10:38 iwj mdz: Ack. 10:38 mdz fridge-devel@lists I think 10:38 Keybuk also we should set out the policy for the pre-meeting report paste 10:38 Amaranth ouch, i can only make it to one of those meetings :/ 10:38 sfllaw iwj: When does this start to take effect? 10:38 Amaranth oh well, i don't count 10:38 Keybuk and indicate where those are to go 10:38 mdz sfllaw: next week 10:38 iwj Keybuk: We were expecting sfllaw to do that, weren't we ? 10:38 sfllaw Indeed. 10:38 pitti Keybuk: preferably on an ubuntu wiki page 10:38 Mithrandir Keybuk: we also need somebody to whip the slackers. 10:38 fabbione sfllaw: can we move that wiki thingy to the public wiki? or do we want to keep it internal? 10:39 sfllaw Can we wait until it's my turn so we don't delay the meeting? 10:39 iwj sfllaw: your turn> Good idea. 10:39 mdz ok 10:40 mdz iwj: any specs which ought to be targeted for edgy which aren't approved yet? 10:40 iwj No. 10:40 mdz ok 10:40 LaserJock iwj: what do you want to do with developer-referenfce? 10:40 mdz regarding feeding patches upstream, we have a plan for more automation there which is waiting for a new soyuz feature 10:40 iwj LaserJock: I was going to do my other specs and then see if I had time for it. 10:41 iwj mdz: Has this been discussed with Debian ? 10:41 mdz iwj: yes 10:41 iwj Excellent. 10:41 mdz long thread on debian-devel 10:41 mdz iwj: thanks 10:41 mdz ogra: next 10:41 iwj I must have missed it somehow. Maybe it looked like a flamewar. 10:41 ogra * last-week: started moving ltsp to a common buildsystem (autoconf/automake), shuffled ltsp branches around so we have the right structure now, merged: gartoon, fuse, iftraf, pwgen, rss-glx, tuxmath, tuxpaint, xscreensaver, did SoC mid term review 10:41 ogra * outstanding merges: kdeedu (currently building the final package (since 1,5h, kudos to Riddell)), kino, nessus-plugins, xfonts-terminus (waiting for x to be ready for font merges) 10:41 ogra * next-week: finishing merges, several meetings with the debian ltsp guys planned to finish the common buildsystem move before UVF, voip meeting with scott balneaves about packaging basics in monday, getting the edubuntu-seeds ready for the first milestone CD, grabbing orphaned merges, uploading the first version of willowng (the SoC work) 10:41 ogra * specs: 10:41 ogra - student-control-panel-completion: (Needs Review) 10:41 ogra - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (not started yet, nedds more update for scott balneaves (planned, see above)) 10:41 ogra - ltsp-convergence: (common buildsystem started (see above)) 10:41 ogra - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (not started) === dakira [n=daxel3@e177206112.adsl.alicedsl.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:41 ogra Hawkwind, strike kdeedu ... it just finished successfull :)) 10:42 ogra oh 10:42 ogra s/Hawkwind/HA/ 10:42 mdz speaking of fonts, is someone on xfonts-utils? 10:42 fabbione mdz: we need to finish the libs first 10:42 mdz ok 10:42 ogra yep, its on fabbiones list 10:42 mdz ogra: how did the ltsp/bzr meeting go? 10:42 fabbione mdz: and fonts need some special attention because Debian is using yet again another fonts path 10:42 mdz fabbione: garrr 10:43 ogra mdz, only partially ... long story, sbalneav was called away by his boss after 45mins 10:43 mdz ogra: which specs should be targeted for edgy but are not yet approved+targeted? 10:43 ogra student control panel 10:44 mdz ok, I'll help with that today === ogra hands iwj a flower, we had a bad day through each other, that shouldnt have happened 10:44 mdz is everything ok? 10:44 iwj ogra: Sorry about that. Maybe we should get someone else to review your specs. 10:44 ogra on my side it is now, i've calmed down 10:44 iwj Next time, I mean. === fabbione blames the heat 10:45 mdz ok 10:45 mdz ogra: thanks 10:45 mdz Mithrandir: next 10:45 ogra yes, probably ... but i'm willing to try once again, we should overcome this ... arent we pofessionals ? ;) 10:45 Mithrandir misc: merges, particularly the X merge. Also been impersonating Adam and Charles for merging. Also reviewed a couple of specs. Also uploaded Opera to dapper-commercial 10:45 Mithrandir sane-installer-keyboard: no progress, some loose discussion in #debian-boot about it 10:45 Mithrandir live-cd-stacked-filesystems: no progress apart from being told about squashfs supporting those directly without unionfs and will look into that 10:46 Mithrandir live-cd-write-as-you-go: blocked on packet-writing which I became aware of recently 10:46 Mithrandir packet-writing: needs to be reviewed and fixed up for edgy ASAP. I'll do this before going to bed 10:46 Mithrandir livecd-sessions: no progress 10:46 mdz ogra,iwj: let's talk about it after the meeting 10:46 Mithrandir livec-cd-share-live-cd: bumped back to drafting, haven't had time to look at this. 10:46 Mithrandir next week: more merges, get X into shape, get knot 1 out. 10:46 iwj mdz: OK. 10:46 Mithrandir I'll mail d-d-a about the knot-1 freeze. 10:46 Mithrandir uh, u-d-a 10:46 mdz heh 10:46 dholbach Mithrandir: when do you think the freeze will be? roughly? 10:46 mdz Mithrandir: anything pending on the spec approval+targeting front? 10:47 Mithrandir mdz: I need to get the packet-writing approved as I said. I'm tempted to postpone livec-cd-share-live-cd unless I can get it approved tomorrow. 10:47 Mithrandir dholbach: well, I'd like it to happen on wednesday, but UVF is in exactly a week, so I need to do something clever. 10:48 mdz Mithrandir: the other livecd features seem more interesting to me === mhz [n=mhz@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:48 mdz Mithrandir: I'll go over packet-writing with you later tonight if you're around 10:48 Mithrandir mdz: ogra and the ltsp people seem crazy about the share-live-cd one since it can be used for making a ltsp live cd. 10:48 Mithrandir mdz: it's almost 2300 here, but I'll fix that up, so that'd be great. 10:49 mdz Mithrandir: crazy enough to help with the spec or implementation? :-P 10:49 ogra (it would enable edubuntu to ship on the desktop CD) 10:49 ogra as a sideeffect 10:50 ogra Mithrandir, how big is that ? 10:50 mdz please discuss after the meeting, we're short on time 10:50 ogra ok 10:50 Mithrandir ogra: the spec is mostly minor stuff. I have an idea how to do the implementation, but post-meeting. 10:50 mdz Mithrandir: is opera ready to be added to app-install-data-commercial? I don't remember seeing it there 10:51 Mithrandir mdz: I think so. I just uploaded it and haven't seen an ACCEPT message from the queue even, so I don't know where it sits. 10:51 mdz ah, ok 10:51 mdz Mithrandir: thanks 10:51 mdz dholbach: next 10:51 dholbach specs approved: easier-motuing (no progress); automating-artwork (no progress - apart from what's mentioned in the spec already); galago-in-ubuntu (started, investigating ftbfs of one lib) 10:51 dholbach spec which needs work: future-of-gst (conversations with carlos have happened during guadec, list of tasks identified, gst 2.15 uploaded, but not built yet (needed to indicate and demonstrate), spec needs to be finalized) 10:51 dholbach this week: merges and updates of gnome (updates: 80% done, amount of merges good-looking), hell lot of bug triage, trying to be mvo as much I can, make my inbox love me again, SoC review (done) 10:51 dholbach next week: gnome 2.15.4, bug triage, starting on easier-motuing, automating-artwork (and updates and splitting of the packages), trying to be mvo as much I can 10:51 dholbach week after that: HUG DAY! sfllaw? 10:52 mdz dholbach: we can talk about future-of-gst a bit later if you're here 10:52 mdz otherwise maybe tomorrow 10:52 dholbach tomorrow would be cool 10:52 mdz the list of specs to drive last-minute today is getting long 10:52 dholbach seb128: what do you think? 10:53 mdz ok 10:53 mdz dholbach: thanks 10:53 dholbach de rien 10:53 mdz sfllaw: next 10:53 seb128 dholbach: tomorrow 10:53 sfllaw Done: Bug triage, SoC mentoring, ubuntu-qa vetting, spec writing, scouting for new hires. 10:53 sfllaw Todo: Bug triage, ubuntu-qa vetting, spec writing, SoC mentoring, test plans for edgy specs. 10:53 sfllaw Specs: 10:53 sfllaw - multi-machine-testing-infrastructure (Review) 10:54 sfllaw - edgy-testing (drafting) 10:54 sfllaw - drinking-from-the-firehose (drafting) 10:54 sfllaw Also, I'd like some feedback on http://www.canonical.com/DistroTeamMeetings 10:54 sfllaw . 10:54 sfllaw STATISTICS 10:54 sfllaw ========== 10:54 mdz sfllaw: since you'll need to poke people to get those pastes anyway, could you take responsibility for announcing the meeting 24+hours prior as I did this week? 10:54 sfllaw Since last week... 10:54 sfllaw Unconfirmed and unassigned bugs of severity >= normal: 2284 -> 2760 10:54 sfllaw Untriaged bugs: 723 -> 861 10:54 sfllaw Needs Info bugs: 1753 -> 1794 10:54 sfllaw Dapper bugs: 75 -> 74 10:54 sfllaw Edgy bugs: 3 -> 4 10:54 sfllaw Bugs without packages: 1502 -> 1533 10:54 sfllaw iwj: Is it the 7h00 UTC meeting next week? 10:54 sfllaw People have suggested that I move DistroTeamMeetings to the public wiki. 10:54 sfllaw Uhm, OK. 10:54 iwj sfllaw: Yes. === riffic [n=riffic@user-142h54j.cable.mindspring.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:54 sfllaw Yay. It's a whole hour better than it was before. 10:54 sfllaw :) 10:55 pitti sfllaw: public++ (#u-m is public and publicly logged, too) 10:55 mdz DistroTeamMeetings doesn't seem to exist 10:55 sivang rigth 10:55 Keybuk mdz: s/www/wiki/ 10:55 sfllaw Sorry. 10:55 mdz ah 10:55 mdz sfllaw: what's the plan for your specs? you don't have anything targeted for edgy yet 10:56 mdz drinking-from-the-firehose is informational, yes? 10:56 sfllaw Edgy-testing is targetted for Edgy. As is drinking-from-the-firehose. 10:56 mdz neither is on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+specs 10:56 sfllaw :( 10:56 mdz we're only targeting specs once they're approved 10:57 mdz edgy-testing is marked informational as well 10:57 mdz though there is indirect work associated with it 10:57 mdz let's discuss after the meeting what to do 10:57 sfllaw OK. 10:57 mdz thanks 10:57 mdz Riddell: next 10:57 Riddell done: merges, Kubuntu packages in main should be done by tomorrow although some poking of buildds will be needed and some main inclusion reports todo. universe also progressing well thanks to MOTU 10:57 Riddell next week: kubuntu-launchpad-integration and if time kubuntu-easy-zeroconf. Knot 1? 10:57 Riddell specs: all approved except kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue (not too important), thanks reviewers 10:58 iwj Are we running very late ? It's difficult to tell in random order ... 10:58 mdz iwj: almost done 10:58 mdz fabbione and sivang 10:59 mdz Riddell: are you going to try to get k-f-t-d through or defer it? you have a bunch of stuff already, though some of it may not be for you personally 10:59 mdz Riddell: e.g., isn't mornfall implementing the adept stuff? 10:59 Riddell mdz: kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue should be close to though, kamion only had a small comment for it 11:00 Riddell yes, the adept ones should be assigned to mornfall (although he's not decided if he'll do it as a bounty yet) 11:00 Riddell I don't expect to have time for kubuntu-file-transfer-dialogue 11:00 mdz Riddell: ok, please reassign them as appropriate so it's clear who's doing what 11:00 mdz Riddell: thanks 11:00 mdz fabbione: next 11:00 Riddell also kwwii says he's unlikely to get kubuntu-icons done for edgy 11:00 fabbione * specs: ubuntu-edgy-cluster and sparc64-port have been approved. Got a thumb up from silbs on the internal spec that is waiting for mdz and/or sabdfl for distro/lp allocation. no other specs are in queue for edgy. 11:00 fabbione * sparc64-port: My t2000 is temporary busy running the hw certification software for Marc. 11:00 fabbione * ubuntu-edgy-cluster: Working on GFS2 userland new deps (openais) and coordinating with upstream for a release date. Addressing some 32/64/endianess problems and getting all our patches upstream to reduce the maintainance load (5/8 are up already). No changes from last week. 11:00 fabbione * last week: completed gcc bug fixing/testing in edgy (sparc), completed the sparc64-port and ubuntu-edgy-cluster specs, done libparted check on sparc for Kamion with no real luck, dovecot regression from breezy to dapper has been addressed to upstream that is working on a solution, basically done all my merges and helping out with X merges. Some minimal mentoring to Rodrigo that's moving his first steps really really fast. 11:01 fabbione * next week: complete the merges, start working full steam on the other specs, whatever is needed (!= X). 11:01 mdz fabbione: how long before you disappear? 11:01 fabbione mdz: -ENOCLUE 11:01 mdz but soon, no? 11:02 fabbione mdz: i did ask my wife for an ETA on delivery but she gave me a finger.. not a nice one :) 11:02 mdz heh 11:02 fabbione mdz: yes pretty soon 11:02 sivang hehe 11:02 mdz fabbione: dovecot -> dapper-updates? 11:02 pitti fabbione: *crossing fingers*, all the best 11:02 Keybuk fabbione: can she not cross her legs until UVF? :p 11:02 sivang fabbione: first child ? 11:02 fabbione mdz: yes. but we need the fix first for dovecot 11:02 mdz ok 11:02 fabbione pitti: thanks :) 11:02 mdz thanks fabbione 11:03 fabbione Keybuk: ahhaha 11:03 mdz sivang? 11:03 fabbione sivang: yeps 11:03 sivang mdz: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/make-free-space-wizard might need some more edits before approval, https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/home-user-backup seems ready to be approved. Ideally both of them should be targetted for edgy, however if I'm doing system clean up tool alone I'd need some help on some of the implementation. 11:03 mdz make-free-space-wizard still needs some work I think; I'll look at it today if I have some time 11:04 sivang basically that's is. I've started tackeling the merge thing this week, however so far only done bitorando and sponsered by slomo_ , might do more in the coming week. 11:04 mdz home-user-backup should be ready for approval if my comment was addressed 11:04 mdz sivang: thanks 11:04 sivang mdz: I believe they were all addressed. 11:04 mdz any other very quick business? 11:04 mdz did I miss anyone in the randomness? 11:04 fabbione sfllaw: moving the stuff from internal to external wiki? 11:05 fabbione there was only one vote from pitti 11:05 rodarvus +1 11:05 fabbione but i do vote for the movement too 11:05 dholbach sfllaw: hug day in two weeks? 11:05 mdz that's fine with me; the meeting is public and so the summaries can be as well 11:05 ogra +1 11:05 iwj We should move the distro meeting page, definitely. 11:05 fabbione (the DistroTeammeeting 11:05 sfllaw What about the DistroTeam page? 11:05 sfllaw That's sort of sitting by its lonesome in the Canonical wiki. 11:05 mdz no, that's a separate matter 11:05 sfllaw Fair enough. 11:05 sfllaw I'll move it. 11:05 mdz we don't publish employee data 11:05 sivang mdz: if you don't have time today, will we be able to address it tomorrow? I'm up whenever you can. 11:05 sfllaw dholbach: Yes. A hug day in two weeks would be good. 11:06 mdz sivang: probably 11:06 mdz ok, we're over time 11:06 mdz thanks, everyone 11:06 dholbach sfllaw: cool 11:06 mdz adjourned
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