UbuntuDev_2006-07-13
09:01 mdz BenC: you're up first 09:01 dholbach ah, there he comes 09:02 rodarvus mdz: thanks === seb128 [n=seb128@ubuntu/member/seb128] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:02 BenC do I paste? === lloydinho [n=andreas@rosinante.egmont-kol.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:02 fabbione it's all in the wiki.. 09:02 mdz BenC: yes, please 09:02 pitti well, we read all our stanzas already, didn't we? 09:02 BenC Done 09:02 BenC * 09:02 BenC cfq-by-default: DONE. 09:02 BenC * 09:02 BenC libata-for-all-ata-disks: BLOCKED. Still need to do boot loader stuff. 09:02 BenC * 09:02 BenC linux-kernel-crash-dump: IN PROGRESS. Cleaning up the userspace tools and scripts. 09:02 BenC * 09:02 BenC merges: kernel-wedge and kernel-package finally merged from Debian today. 09:02 BenC To do 09:02 BenC * 09:02 BenC Finish linux-kernel-crash-dump. 09:03 BenC * 09:03 BenC Start on boot loader changes for UUID conversion (libata-for-all-ata-disks) 09:03 BenC * === pitti thought the point of the wiki was to avoid large pastes 09:03 BenC Start pushing bug reports from linux-source-2.6.15 to linux-source-2.6.17. Get some testing on whether 2.6.17 fixes any of these. 09:03 BenC wow, that was ugly 09:03 mdz pitti: no, the point was to make the data available prior to the meeting for review 09:03 Keybuk err, I thought we were supposed to read the wiki 09:03 Keybuk not paste 09:03 BenC I sort of did too :) 09:03 mdz it's much more discussion-friendly to have it copied here 09:03 mdz but if you copy from the wiki, copy the raw text and not the HTML :-P 09:04 BenC point taken :) 09:04 mdz Keybuk: scary boot stuff is on your list, right? 09:04 fschoep sorry to ask this, but which wiki page are you referring to? (first time) 09:04 mdz (for libata-for-all-disks) 09:04 Kamion I'm happy to do the partman changes 09:04 Keybuk mdz: yup, migration for base-files are on my list 09:04 pitti fschoep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713 09:04 mdz fschoep: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713 09:04 ogra fschoep, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistroTeamMeeting20060713 09:04 Keybuk installer is probably Kamion's list 09:04 Amaranth heh === raphink [n=raphink@ubuntu/member/raphink] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:04 Keybuk and BenC was going to do boot loaders himself 09:04 Kamion it's not on my list, but I'll do it this coming week 09:05 Kamion (as soon as the installer works well enough to test) 09:05 mdz ok 09:05 mdz thanks BenC 09:05 mdz Mithrandir: next? 09:05 Mithrandir * misc: Merges, merges, merges. X is, hopefully, in shape now, lacking apps and mesa (but mesa is being worked on and apps is trivial). Also poked a bit at the uninstallable list so we can end up with a knot not too much delayed. 09:05 Mithrandir * Specs: no progress due to abovementioned work. 09:05 Mithrandir * Next week: Get knot-1 out, start working on specs, get X completely in shape. 09:05 Mithrandir * Blocked on: http://people.ubuntu.com/~cjwatson/testing/edgy_probs.html shows a few problems. We need to get the uninstallable count _down_. 09:05 mdz mesa seems to be the final blocker for ubuntu-desktop 09:05 Mithrandir we're also in the first knot freeze now, so please don't upload stuff to main without approval from me. 09:05 mdz rodarvus was working on it earlier 09:05 Mithrandir iirc, rodarvus did that last night. 09:06 mdz xorg is still uninstallable though 09:06 rodarvus mesa was uploaded last night 09:06 rodarvus but has new dependency on lesstif 09:06 rodarvus which mdz asked me to remove 09:06 Kamion Mithrandir: seems a little early for knot freeze given that the installer hasn't ever been tried in edgy yet 09:06 mdz correc 09:06 mdz t 09:06 Kamion I expect quite a lot of changes still 09:06 fabbione rodarvus: if you want to brief me, i can do it this morning 09:07 Kamion debian-installer built everywhere but amd64; I'll work on that this morning 09:07 Mithrandir Kamion: do you expect any big changes already? Apart from you having done the merge of doom? 09:07 Kamion Mithrandir: I don't know :-) 09:07 mdz Mithrandir: you intend to release knot 1 whenever it's ready? 09:07 rodarvus fabbione: that would be *very* kind of you, I'll do it right after the meeting then (it was non-obvious to me what to do to completely remove lesstif from mesa) 09:07 fabbione robitaille: let's take that on -x later 09:07 Kamion history suggests that it takes a few days from first d-i merge to usability 09:07 Mithrandir mdz: yes. 09:07 mdz Mithrandir: is there a list of blockers in the wiki somewhere? 09:07 fabbione rodarvus: ^^ 09:07 Kamion but we can see how fast we can do it 09:07 Mithrandir mdz: edgy_probs is what I'm using so far. 09:08 rodarvus fabbione: *nods* 09:08 Mithrandir Kamion: I expect the freeze to last a few days, so that's fine, IMO. 09:08 Kamion ok 09:08 Mithrandir hopefully, we'll be able to release tomorrow, but if we don't, we don't. 09:08 ogra dreams ... 09:08 Mithrandir the first release is always painful, but we need to get it out. 09:08 mdz Mithrandir: edgy_probs is a start, but it doesn't account for everything 09:09 Mithrandir mdz: I'll create a wiki page, then. 09:09 mdz Mithrandir: thanks 09:09 Mithrandir Knot1ReleaseProblems or something like that. 09:09 Mithrandir ReleaseBlockers, maybe. 09:09 mdz I was thinking we also ought to get the procedure written up for preparing a milestone === lucas [n=lucas@ubuntu/member/lucas] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:09 Mithrandir there's a spec about that. 09:09 mdz like the one we have for beta and final 09:09 Mithrandir https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MilestoneRhythm 09:09 mdz both so that we don't forget things, and so that we can back one another up 09:10 mdz I wonder how the livefs builds are doing; does anyone have access to those other than infinity who is ill? 09:10 Kamion yes 09:10 Mithrandir the logs are public. 09:10 Kamion although I probably can't do the initial setup 09:10 Kamion (I can only trigger them) 09:10 Mithrandir I can trigger them too 09:11 mdz rodarvus: once mesa is fixed and built, please ask someone to trigger livefs builds and see what comes out 09:11 Mithrandir we kinda need infinity (or somebody with equal powers) to get the fakeroot build hand-bootstrapped on amd64 too. 09:11 mdz Mithrandir: ah yes, MilestoneRhythm 09:11 rodarvus mdz: sure 09:11 Mithrandir s/kinda// 09:11 Kamion IIRC there was something else that needed bootstrapping too 09:11 Mithrandir Kamion: gcc on ppc? 09:11 Keybuk Mithrandir: nobody has equal powers to infinity, sadly 09:11 mdz Mithrandir: if anything turns up missing during knot 1, be sure to add it to the spec 09:11 Kamion if we can summon lamont, he can probably still do it; although IIRC the machine lockdown meant some of the buildds were out 09:11 Kamion Mithrandir: yep 09:12 Mithrandir mdz: yup, will remember that. 09:12 fabbione Kamion: no lamont can't afaik. he has no LP access yet 09:12 mdz Keybuk: we need to fix that 09:12 Kamion mdz: ubiquity totally won't work yet - I'm not sure we'll get it out for knot 1 09:12 Kamion fabbione: he can log into the boxes though 09:12 mdz Kamion: what does it need? 09:12 mdz fabbione: https://launchpad.net/people/launchpad-buildd-admins 09:12 Kamion fabbione: he's in launchpad-buildd-admins too, which IIRC is now sufficient for everything except er I think it's chroot 09:12 Kamion management 09:13 mdz fabbione: that was only when buildd admins needed LP admin rights, which is no longer true 09:13 Kamion mdz: it's sort of like a merge only not 09:13 Keybuk Kamion: buildd admins only grants you UI permissions, not the access to the right boxes 09:13 mdz Kamion: only knot? 09:13 Kamion mdz: needs an update to new d-i source and fixing of whatever breaks as a result 09:13 Kamion mdz: that too 09:13 Mithrandir can we have this discussion after the meeting? It's certainly needed, but it'll take too much time now. 09:13 mdz edgy milestones will make great pun opportunities 09:13 mdz Mithrandir: after the meeting is very very early in the morning for some of us ;-) 09:14 Kamion let's move on, anyway 09:14 mdz Mithrandir: but I think we've covered the basics; please announce your wiki page on -devel-announce when it's up 09:14 Mithrandir mdz: willdo. 09:14 mdz Mithrandir: thanks 09:14 mdz dholbach: up next 09:14 dholbach Done 09:14 dholbach * easier-motuing: started off, announced to motu list, started mentor page, wiki categorization - I'd be happy for people to join in on MOTU/Mentors and more importantly MOTU/School/Requests. 09:14 dholbach * nearly everything of GNOME 2.15.4 and merges 09:14 dholbach * ubuntu-artwork update. 09:14 dholbach * bug triage 09:14 dholbach To do 09:14 dholbach * more bug triage, 09:14 dholbach * GNOME updates for dapper-updates, 09:14 dholbach * HUG DAY next week 09:14 dholbach * get cracking on Galago and Telepathy. 09:15 mdz dholbach: is 2.15.4 complete? 09:15 Mithrandir ooh, telepathy. Shiny. 09:15 dholbach there were some new tarballs during the night, but not much 09:15 Keybuk dholbach: can you get the licences right to telepathy this time? :) 09:15 mdz someone needs to look into the gnome-applets build failure: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/gnome-applets/2.15.1.1-0ubuntu2 09:15 dholbach mdz: should be done in a bit 09:15 dholbach Keybuk: yes, will spend more time on it 09:15 mdz something to do with python-gnome2-desktop 09:15 Keybuk mdz: that's just due to uninstallables, isn't it? 09:15 seb128 mdz: it built on i386, isn't the other arch an instability from gnome-python-desktop issue? 09:16 mdz Keybuk: yes, but I haven't traced it to its root 09:16 seb128 mdz: right, not a gnome-applets bug ... I'll have a look after meeting 09:16 mdz ok 09:16 mdz thanks dholbach === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:16 dholbach how often are mass givebacks done or builds retried? 09:16 mdz doko: next 09:16 Keybuk the buildds still have ~3 days of building to do 09:16 doko Done 09:16 doko * toolchain-roadmap / gcc-ssp: investigate powerpc problems, rebootstrap a working gnat-4.1, needs a manual build on the buildd. rework the ssp-default patch (only turn on ssp for C, C++, ObjC, ObjC++). 09:16 doko * python-roadmap: conversions for packages in main to the updated python policy. 09:16 doko * syncs/merges: outstanding python syncs/merges, java syncs needed for eclipse & azureus, various random syncs/merges 09:16 doko * openoffice.org: dapper security update 09:16 Keybuk dholbach: rarely 09:16 doko * SoC nagging. 09:16 doko To do 09:16 doko * specs: packaging-hints is next 09:16 doko * openoffice.org: breezy security update, openoffice.org 2.0.3 dapper/edgy builds 09:16 dholbach Keybuk: that explains a great deal :) 09:17 mdz Keybuk: really? the i386 queue seemed quite short the last time I looked 09:17 mdz and the last time I checked we could build the entire archive in a few days ;-) 09:17 Keybuk mdz: i386 didn't have much to build ... 09:17 Keybuk https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/edgy/+builds?build_state=pending 09:17 Keybuk sparc can't build more than a package a day ;) === fabbione larts Keybuk 09:17 Keybuk it's slower than the ia64 buildd 09:17 fabbione we have 2 32 cPU sparcs at the DC... 09:18 Keybuk fabbione: that's nice. make them build faster 09:18 fabbione i wish we could use them properly but LP has no concept of parallel build on one host 09:18 fabbione Keybuk: they are not the buildd unfortunatly 09:18 mdz doko: is main finished for python-roadmap? 09:18 doko mdz: I have to check 09:19 rodarvus fabbione, Keybuk: is it not possible to install launchpad buildd on same machine, in paralel ports? 09:19 neuralis fabbione: i can soon contribute a sparc to be used as a buildd, if it's not a problem that it's not in the dc. 09:19 mdz doko: ok, thanks 09:19 mdz ogra: next 09:19 fabbione neuralis: no you can't. sorry. 09:19 ogra * last-week: g-p-m merge and update, common buildsystem some progress but not finished, voip meeting with scott balneaves about packaging basics, edubuntu-seeds ready for the first milestone CD 09:19 ogra * next-week: buildscripts for ltsp-daily-image-tarballs, common buildsystem finishing, knot 1 CD 09:19 ogra * specs: 09:19 ogra - student-control-panel-completion: (drafting) 09:19 ogra - ltsp-daily-image-tarballs: (started) 09:19 ogra - ltsp-convergence: (common buildsystem switch still in progress) 09:19 ogra - ltsp-netboot-enhancement: (mknbi in main, bug fix needed) 09:19 ogra - thinclient-local-devices (started) 09:19 mdz pitti: I asked ogra to hold off on g-p-m until the hal stuff was ready; I understand you're aware of it 09:20 pitti mdz: yes, since yesterday 09:20 pitti before I thought this was all experimental stuff since new hal isn't released yet and policykit is still under discussion 09:20 doko pitti: please check "deb http://people.ubuntu.com/~doko/gcc-powerpc/ ./" 09:20 mdz speaking of voip, those of you who haven't set up ekiga with the asterisk server yet, please do. it'll be awfully convenient for teleconferencing 09:21 pitti ogra, seb128: if we do need the new hal, then I need to allocate a day to package it and policykit and give it some auditing 09:21 mdz pitti: apparently new g-p-m will not do suspend/hibernate at all without it 09:21 seb128 pitti: my understanding is that g-s-t will use it soon, but not sure if that's mandatory or not 09:21 ogra pitti, that would be nice, else bigger parts of g-p-m have to be rewritten 09:21 pitti mdz: ^ this will make it subject to the gnome UVF exception? === dsas [n=dean@host86-129-12-232.range86-129.btcentralplus.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:22 seb128 what carlos showed us at GUADEC is that he has some code using policykit to "unlock" the admin features by example 09:22 mdz pitti: one way or another it gets an exception because we need it 09:22 ogra seb128, thats cool :) 09:22 Kamion we sort of had g-p-m in the gnome uvf exception for dapper, though only de facto because Kinnison asked for it lots 09:22 pitti seb128: TBH I'm *terribly* scared of sidetracking unix users and implementing a parallel user and permissions infrastructure; I want to take a close look at it 09:22 seb128 ogra: I thought so before pitti complained about policykit :p 09:22 ogra heh 09:22 doko Keybuk, Kamion: do the outdated python2.x packages need manual removal intervention? 09:23 ogra well, we have a valid reason for it now :) 09:23 Keybuk doko: almost certainly 09:23 mdz pitti: if you can mail me some pointers to info about it, I'm interested 09:23 seb128 Kamion: it was not part of the desktop upstream for 2.14, it'll probably be for 2.16 09:23 Kamion doko: yes, I'll look at that once all the builds have settled down 09:23 ogra doko, what about the schooltool stuff on edgy_probs ? 09:23 Keybuk doko: though don't we need transition packages? 09:23 pitti mdz: yep, will do 09:23 Kamion Keybuk: no, we have Provides === fschoep [n=franksch@adsl-dc-35cb8.adsl.wanadoo.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:23 mdz ogra: ok, thanks 09:23 mdz Kamion: next 09:23 Keybuk Kamion: provides won't replace them on users desktops 09:23 Kamion done: Basically nothing but merges; continued helping out with X on and off. Fixed installer security bug #48350. Some more oem-config reorganisation (nearly there, just need to make it work in the new world order now). 09:23 Ubugtu Malone bug 48350 in shadow "Backing up from final installation dialog results in blank root password" [High,Fix released] http://launchpad.net/bugs/48350 09:23 Kamion merge-status: All done except for installation-guide, due to lack of time. I'd like to request an exception to do this immediately after UVF; it's just documentation and there's nothing it can break. 09:23 Kamion next-week: Get the first round of CD images going and fix installer bugs until it's ready for knot-1; all the pieces are there now so it'll just be iterative debugging. If possible, make ubiquity work in edgy. Start work on ubiquity-advanced-partitioner and/or revive-tasksel. 09:23 Kamion plus this partman stuff for libata 09:24 Kamion Keybuk: there's replaces/conflicts too, and users mostly just install them via dependencies rather than directly so it should be ok 09:24 Kamion putting in transitional packages would negate most of our gains, I feel 09:24 mdz Kamion: no worries about installation-guide === lukketto [n=lukketto@host187-133.pool8257.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:24 Kamion I'll probably do that between the cracks today 09:25 Kamion it tends to take a while, we have a BIG branding patch 09:25 mdz I'd consider working ubiquity a blocker for a real milestone 09:25 Kamion ok, I'll see what I can do - will be hard to get it working until livefses are active though 09:25 mdz Kamion: even so, I think our big branding patch is insufficient; last I looked there were still bits which were incorrect for ubuntu 09:26 mdz Kamion: with any luck we'll have livefses later today 09:26 Kamion mdz: that seems likely; please let me know any time you spot any of those 09:26 mdz Kamion: I suggest submitting it to the doc team for review 09:26 Kamion yeah, I guess that makes sense 09:26 mdz thanks Kamion 09:26 mdz fabbione: next? 09:26 fabbione * done: merges, merges and merges. 09:26 fabbione * merge-status: miss only redhat cluster suite that has huge infrastructural changes from the version in dapper. I might need a couple of more days before i can upload something sane. 09:26 fabbione * todo: complete the redhat-cluster update as top priority. Go on with specs. 09:26 Kamion I just don't want to end up having the doc team totally rewrite it such that I can never merge it with Debian again :) 09:27 mdz Kamion: good point, be sure to explain === RichEd [n=RichardW@dsl-146-151-185.telkomadsl.co.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:28 mdz fabbione: sounds good, thanks 09:28 ogra hey RichEd welcome to the distro team meeting :) 09:28 RichEd morning ... 09:28 mdz Riddell: next 09:28 Riddell done: 09:28 Riddell merges: all main Kubuntu merges done. universe pleasingly close too 09:28 Riddell kubuntu-launchpad-integration: implemented 09:28 Riddell next week: 09:28 Riddell knot 1, kubuntu-easy-zeroconf 09:28 Riddell specs: mornfall not bountying for adept specs, I plan to break out the commercial repository support and dist-upgrade tool to new specs 09:28 Kamion thanks for doing the Kubuntu seed merge 09:28 mdz Riddell,ogra: you guys both did your seed merges, right? 09:28 ogra yep 09:28 Kamion the supported seed should be a lot more manageable in future 09:28 mdz I think I remmeber seeing -meta uploads from both of you 09:28 Riddell mdz: yes, and kubuntu-meta update 09:29 mdz Riddell: any known blockers for kubuntu knot 1 so far? 09:29 Riddell mdz: there's a few packages uninstallable for small reasons, I'll look at those today 09:29 mdz ok, thanks 09:30 mdz pitti: next 09:30 pitti Done 09:30 pitti * vast amount of merges and sync reviews; I have some updated merges, but I already did those which bring in new upstream versions. 09:30 pitti * cups and dovecot fixes for dapper 09:30 pitti * security updates 09:30 pitti * automated-problem-reports: initial work, now collects all information except stack frame image and list of package dependencies; I'm currently fighting with some weird behaviour (forever-hanging gdb) when then agent is called by the kernel helper, this might need some discussion with BenC 09:30 pitti * dug a good way into my bug mail, but did not get through yet 09:30 pitti To do 09:30 pitti * remaining merges which do not bring in new upstream versions 09:30 pitti * fix automated-problem-reports to be more robust, release initial package to universe 09:30 pitti * get OO.o security update for breezy with doko 09:30 pitti * grab Adam for PHP security stuff; this has been dragged far too long 09:30 pitti * catch up on bug mail 09:30 pitti * fix the mysterious apt-ftparchive failure on the daily langpacks 09:31 mdz pitti: I'm not sure when adam will be back at 100%; is there anyone else who can help with php? === Flik [n=Flik@d205-250-156-195.bchsia.telus.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:32 pitti mdz: I can do it myself probably, but adam already has done a good part of the work 09:32 Mithrandir mdz: I thought fabbione did a merge of it? 09:32 pitti Mithrandir: for stables 09:32 mdz pitti: please file a bug about the apt-ftparchive failure if you haven't already; I'll look into it if I have time before mvo gets back 09:32 Mithrandir oh, or that was PHP security. Sorry. === Hobbsee [n=Hobbsee@ubuntu/member/hobbsee] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:32 pitti mdz: oh, it's a bit more tricky, I'll tell you in #u-d if you like 09:32 fabbione mdz: i did the merge for edgy..... 09:32 mdz pitti: ok, thanks 09:32 fabbione that's it 09:32 mdz fabbione: yes, thank you 09:32 pitti mdz: so, php would take me a lot longer than him 09:32 mdz fschoep: you're up 09:33 fschoep Specification: art-polish-human-icons 09:33 fschoep Contacted Michiel Sikma to discuss his vision on the consistency and state of the Human icon set. Trying to figure out who is going to do the actual icon production, contacted Mark. Creating list of icons that need work, scheduled for completion on the 23rd of July. 09:33 fschoep Specifications: ubuntu-art-login-manager, ubuntu-art-login-splash, ubuntu-art-usplash, ubuntu-art-wallpaper 09:33 fschoep Finished the Ponder phase this week, collecting texture and material references, Troy James Sobotka provided excellent samples. Kicked-off of the Propose phase, compositional ideas can now roll in. Seemingly slow progress in this phase up until now, will stir up the discussion soon. Contacted Daniel Holbach to start working out packaging details for the Human theme and Theme Team themes. 09:33 pitti mdz: I'll talk to him, maybe he can send me his current work 09:33 fschoep Specification: ubuntu-art-cd-dvd-artwork 09:33 fschoep No progress yet, need contacts to start this up, all help appreciated. 09:33 fschoep Specification: ubuntu-art-complete-highcontrast-icons 09:33 fschoep Contacted Henrik Nilsen Omma for startup, will continue drafting and expanding the specification by walking through a default Dapper installation and identifying missing and unusable icons. 09:33 fschoep Non-specification: Theme Teams 09:33 fschoep The 13th of July marks the end of the Theme Team application process, up until now three (one man) teams have applied for creating a Dash, Peace and Tropic theme for Edgy. Will now document, kick off and start managing the progress of these teams. 09:33 fschoep Specification: art-polish-human-gtk-theme 09:33 fschoep Searched for documentation on creating and editing GTK2 themes on Google, GTK-org and GNOME-org, little found up until now. Any help here is greatly appreciated since the Theme Teams are begging for this information as well. Im going to try apt-sourcing Dapper artwork packages for clues next. 09:33 mdz fschoep: that's the list which is scheduled for completion on the 23rd, or the icons themselves? 09:33 fschoep Specification: ubuntu-art-colour-palette-policy 09:33 fschoep I think weve made a lot of progress not only defining colors, but also locking down textures and materials for Edgys default artwork during the Ponder phase in the community artwork process. Im not sure if this specification is still useful. 09:33 fschoep Specification: art-sok-layout-colours 09:33 fschoep Scheduled to start identifying needs on the 7th of August, 2006 and produce layouts shortly afterwards to prevent overlap with the High Contrast icon theme work. 09:33 fschoep Non-specification: Dapper Artwork Backport 09:33 fschoep There doesnt seem to be a specification for this. I contacted Colin Watson as suggested by Mark to get a clear view on what were going to accomplish and more importantly, when. Once this gets fleshed out, I think we should make a spec. 09:33 fschoep Non-specification: Theme Selector 09:33 fschoep Will write a specification on this before the 16th of July and submit it for approval. Basically this is about having the GNOME Theme Preferences panel control more artwork items than currently possible. One thing that comes to mind is the login splash image. 09:33 Amaranth ...whoa 09:33 fschoep mdz: the list 09:33 mdz fschoep: what kind of contacts do you need for cd-dvd-artwork? 09:34 fschoep Sorry guys, first time - I'm a bit more verbose than you :) 09:34 Kamion fschoep: oh, I haven't replied yet, but that's DapperPointReleaseProcess 09:34 fschoep mdz: contacts regarding the technical specs (file format) and who is going to approve designs, what CD sleeve design we want (Dapper-like, or...) 09:34 Kamion fschoep: first point release is tentatively first week of August 09:35 mdz fschoep: Jane Silber should be your point of contact 09:35 fschoep Kamion: thanks, I'll look into that. 09:35 dholbach fschoep: i started working on example packages and buildsystems for iconsets/... i'll tell you once you can make use of them and i'll reply to your mail after the meeting 09:35 fschoep mdz: Right, thanks a bunch. 09:35 fschoep dholbach: OK, great. 09:36 fschoep By the way, should I cut the verbosity in my status updates :)? 09:36 mdz Kamion: I was thinking we may not make that target, depending on how things go with ubiquity 09:36 mdz Kamion: will we be able to do a fairly clean backport of an edgy-tested ubiquity to dapper, or will it be complicated? 09:36 Kamion mdz: the problem is that if we don't make that target then I'm (planning to be) on holiday and then it's edgy release stuff 09:36 mdz fschoep: a bit, yes 09:36 Kamion mdz: we can backport some bits but it will be more complicated than that; I don't fancy backporting the new partitioner 09:36 mdz Kamion: hmm, indeed 09:37 Kamion mdz: however, I do have a rough idea of the things that need to be fixed 09:37 Kamion mdz: they're essentially what's in DapperReleaseNotes/UbiquityKnownIssues 09:37 fschoep mdz: OK, next time I'll be more in line with the rest of the team, and also update the Wiki beforehand. 09:37 Kamion and hacky workarounds for those should be fine 09:37 mdz Kamion: I am astounded by the number of bug reports filed against ubiquity with identical summaries and no attachments 09:38 mdz and often with the security flag set for no good reason ;-) 09:38 Kamion mdz: yes, one of the fixes in the dapper point release will be to extract tracebacks from subprocesses to avoid the identical-summaries thing 09:38 mdz fschoep: great, thanks 09:38 Kamion I have that fix tentatively for edgy already but haven't tested it yet 09:38 mdz fschoep: talk to Simon (sfllaw) about getting in the loop for having your status update on the wiki in advance as well 09:38 mdz Keybuk: next 09:39 Keybuk Done 09:39 Keybuk * merges, merges and more merges 09:39 Keybuk * much driving of Soyuz by hand ... come back infinity, all is forgiven! 09:39 Keybuk * some minor MoM tweaks 09:39 Keybuk To do 09:39 Keybuk * begin spec work 09:39 Keybuk * find out AutomakeTransition status from Debian maintainer 09:39 Keybuk * write base-files migration code for LibAtaForAtaDisks 09:39 Keybuk * draw up detailed ReplacementInit project plan and begin 09:39 Keybuk * examine recent `udev` upstream changes and decide whether UVF execption warranted for them 09:40 mdz Keybuk: any soyuz problems which should be on my radar to push for prioritization? 09:40 Keybuk it doesn't survive a reboot, but elmo now knows the runes to bring it back 09:41 mdz subscribe me to the bug and I'll poke about it 09:41 mdz thanks 09:41 mdz kwwii: next 09:41 Keybuk also when cron.daily gets long, you often lose buildd stuff 09:41 kwwii wiki stuff ... added philosophy, etc. 09:41 kwwii spec renaming, sorting out -- waiting for a launchpad bug to be fixed to go on with work 09:42 kwwii moving into the next phaze (propose) 09:42 kwwii .we have several new people intersted in kbuntu artwork, trying to keep that going 09:42 kwwii looking into new colors and textures (purple) 09:42 kwwii basic ideas for kdm, desktop splash, and wallpapers done. === mdz_ [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:43 kwwii last but not least, making a UI for bzr :-) 09:43 mdz_ my desktop just crashed, back on from the laptop 09:44 mdz_ Keybuk: /msg me what I missed? 09:44 ogra kwwii, you work on the SoC project ? 09:44 kwwii ogra: only the UI for it, but yes 09:44 ogra :) === mdz [n=mdz@studiocity-motorola-bsr1-70-36-194-85.vnnyca.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:44 ogra nice to know :) 09:44 kwwii the kde UI I should say 09:44 pygi ogra, nop, he did a KDE UI for me ^_^ (I'll be working on KDE edition, the GTK one will be made by student) 09:44 ogra ah 09:44 pygi yes, I know what you think about KDE =P 09:45 ogra what do i think about KDE ? 09:45 mdz_ kwwii: Riddell mentioned that you were uncertain about kubuntu-icons and how much could be done for edgy === pygi shushes back to shadow ^_^ 09:45 mdz (back from desktop) 09:46 kwwii mdz: yeah, we were thinking about including oxygen in edgy, but not sure if there is enough time for that 09:46 mdz kwwii: what's the issue? is oxygen incomplete? 09:47 kwwii mdz: exactly, and we would need to make sure it is complete enough to really use first 09:48 mdz hmm, ok 09:48 kwwii I guess this is something that should go on a wiki page...so that others could help or at least help decide 09:48 mdz please keep the status whiteboard up to date 09:48 mdz kwwii: that's a fine idea too 09:48 kwwii will do 09:48 mdz kwwii: thanks 09:48 mdz heno could not be here but provided an update: 09:48 kwwii sorry for being late, everyone...won't happen again 09:48 mdz Done 09:48 mdz * sudo-admin-atspi: I've proposed a config panel change to seb and daniel. I can make the needed Glade changes if they agree. 09:48 mdz * sok: alpha14 is looking good with a new default layout 09:48 mdz * compiz-mag: My SoC student is ill so this is on hold for this week 09:48 mdz * xubuntu-accessibility: XFCE have implemented sticky keys and friends in 4.4 so I want to add my vote to placing 4.4 in Edgy even if it's only an RC 09:48 mdz To do 09:48 mdz * edgy-content: start collecting and organising content 09:48 mdz * Other: 2 week holiday from Monday 09:49 mdz fschoep: if you need things from henrik, be sure to get in touch by the end of the week, since he'll be awway 09:49 mdz away 09:49 fschoep mdz: I see, will take this into account. 09:49 mdz Simon is ill but sent an update: 09:49 mdz Done 09:49 mdz * Specs: edgy-testing, drinking-from-the-firehose 09:49 mdz * Help dholbach a bit with UbuntuHugDay 09:49 mdz * Get sick 09:49 mdz To do 09:49 mdz * Thank people for merging WvDial and WvStreams 09:49 mdz * Get better 09:49 mdz * Convince BugSquad to start with edgy-testing 09:50 mdz seb128: next 09:50 seb128 Done: merges from Debian, GNOME 2.15.4 09:50 seb128 . 09:50 seb128 Next week: looking at instability issues and GNOME packages not building, bugs catching up 09:50 mdz seb128: instability issues? 09:50 mdz or installability? 09:51 dholbach installability? 09:51 seb128 (might make sense to have dholbach and I next to each other so if you have GNOME questions you don't have to ask them at different times) 09:51 mdz my desktop has become unstable but I can't blame GNOME 09:51 seb128 installability, sorry 09:51 mdz seb128: yes, good idea; I will try to remember to enhance the script ;-) 09:51 mdz seb128: thanks 09:51 fabbione mdz: yes you can.. or at least... gtk ;) 09:51 mdz rodarvus: next 09:51 rodarvus Done this week 09:51 rodarvus * continued X merging (only missing is messa-lesstif fix + X apps, current status available at http://people.ubuntu.com/~fabbione/x-pkgs) 09:51 rodarvus * weekly Edubuntu meeting, met Richard Weideman (new Education Programme Manager, started 2006-07-14) 09:51 rodarvus Plans for next week 09:51 rodarvus * merge X apps 09:51 rodarvus * catchup with email (seriously left behind this week) 09:51 rodarvus * catchup with X bugs (+ get hold of basic X bug status/triaging with fabbione) 09:51 rodarvus * learn all procedures to master future Edubuntu Knot cds (with ogra) 09:51 rodarvus * hopefully help Richard catchup with Edubuntu 09:51 rodarvus * start working on specs 09:51 mdz fabbione: I don't know what's wrong with it; RAM might be going but it is ECC so I'd be surprised not to be warned 09:52 mdz crashed twice today 09:52 pitti rodarvus: a gold star for taking care of X! 09:52 fabbione mdz: heat? 09:52 mdz fabbione: happens just as much at night as during the day 09:52 rodarvus again, thanks for fabbione, Mithrandir and Kamion :) === Huahua [n=hua_@123.49.237.155] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:52 mdz yes, thanks for helping rodrigo with X 09:52 rodarvus and props to the three of them too :) 09:53 rodarvus would be very huge stuff to do all by myself, and I would certainly get (even more) lost :) 09:53 mdz rodarvus: can you mail me and richard about setting up a time to talk? I haven't met him yet 09:53 rodarvus mdz: sure 09:53 mdz thanks 09:53 mdz iwj: next 09:53 ogra mdz, RichEd is here :) 09:53 iwj Sorry this wasn't in the wiki; I didn't read warthogs yesterday. 09:53 iwj have been doing: Breaks and merges 09:53 iwj firefox merge: Done finally 09:53 iwj firefox theme change: Done and no doubt everyone has noticed 09:53 iwj automated-testing-deployment: Still BLOCKED on xen-edgy 09:53 iwj xen-edgy: Chuck Short expects to upload a kernel this weekend; the userland tools are apparently still broken 09:53 iwj package-dependency-field-breaks: Started on the actual implementation. Well, actually, just reading the existing code to know exactly how to edit it: 4 bugs found and reported to Debian so far ... 09:53 iwj suggest-packages-for-filetypes: no further progress this week 09:54 mdz RichEd: hello then. let's set up a conference call with rodrigo sometime soon 09:54 pitti iwj: can you give us a quick status wrt. the firefox security backporting? 09:54 RichEd Let me know when 09:54 dholbach iwj: will firefox need a rebuild everytime the icons change? 09:54 fschoep iwj: theme change - is that my stuff? Do we need to take a look at it in the near future? 09:54 mdz iwj: please update delivery status for xen-edgy; it's Unknown atm 09:55 iwj pitti: Err. I've not been following it closely but it sounds like it's nearly done from the messages I've been seeing. 09:55 dholbach iwj: does firefox copy and ship the icons itself? 09:55 iwj dholbach: No. 09:55 iwj mdz: Willdo. 09:55 pitti iwj: that sounds promising 09:55 mdz dholbach: it depends on the theme package, which is a separate source 09:55 iwj fschoep: That's making your thing the default, yes. I don't think you need to do anything since you're probably already using it. 09:55 zul iwj: hi i can do a status page in the wiki if that helps 09:56 fschoep iwj: it (the Ubuntu package) still needs some updating for the tab-close button. 09:56 iwj zul: You mean, add a bit at the bottom of the XenEdgy wiki page ? That would be nice. 09:56 mdz zul: the status whiteboard in blueprint would be better, unless there's a lot to say 09:56 zul either or 09:56 dholbach ok, so the theme package has to be rebuilt every time the icons change? i'm just trying to figure out whom and when to ping :) 09:56 fschoep dholbach: yes, you are correct. 09:56 iwj dholbach: Yes, the theme package needs to be rebuilt. 09:56 dholbach ok 09:57 dholbach merci 09:57 mdz dholbach: yes, firefox-themes-ubuntu build-deps on the artwokr 09:57 mdz artwork, even 09:57 mdz iwj: thanks 09:57 fschoep iwj: another thing I want to do with it is adding icons to actions like copy and paste in the menu 09:57 ogra fschoep, btw, gnome-power-manager will need a bunch of new icons ... 09:57 mdz did I miss anyone? I had to reconstruct the list when my machine crashed 09:57 ogra upstream added a lot and renamed everything ... 09:57 fschoep ogra: can you send a list via e-mail? 09:57 dholbach ogra: let me look into it before everybody is in alarm :) 09:57 ogra dholbach, oki :) 09:58 fschoep I want icon requests in before the 23rd of July. === heno [n=henrik@henrik.gotadsl.co.uk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:58 mdz heno: good morning; I pasted your update earlier and reminded fschoep to get in touch with you regarding his requests before your holiday 09:59 heno mdz: great, thanks 09:59 mdz any other very brief business before we adjourn? 09:59 sivang mdz: I thought I needed to provide and update, but I cna paste it on the wiki 09:59 Mithrandir I'm very happy we seem to have gotten the meeting down to an hour again. 09:59 mdz sivang: <mdz> did I miss anyone? I had to reconstruct the list when my machine crashed 09:59 sivang oh sorry 09:59 sivang okay, pastes: 10:00 sivang Completed merges: notification-daemon, moin, dput, bittornado. Requested import of notify-python to be used in clean up tool and home user backup. Investigated libburn and its python bindings: lack of features, pyrex implementation, no upstream. For edgy we'll stick to the cdrecord wrapper, and attempt to polish it as much as we can. Started looking into merging the new home-user-backup GUI design, and also thought about how to enable backup no 10:00 zul mdz: i thought so as well but i dont have a paste 10:00 mdz zul: ok, in the future please type something up in advance, it really helps us move along faster 10:00 zul mdz: will do 10:01 mdz sivang: I don't much like the idea of having multiple implementations of cdrecord wrappers 10:01 seb128 use libnautilus-burn :) 10:01 iwj sivang: your message was cut off after "and also thought about how to enable backup no". 10:01 sivang mdz: if there's one you know to be stable and would prefer me to use, I can do that, but at the time I couldn't find something that would allow me the flexability in reporting progress ot the frontend as mine does. 10:02 sivang iwj: ah, I'll repaste then? 10:02 mdz sivang: seb128 suggests libnautilus-burn 10:02 iwj No, just the end. 10:02 ogra sivang, only the missing bit 10:02 sivang mdz: it does not allow multi session cds handling nicely, that's why I implemented my own wrapper 10:02 iwj Very long pastes can get truncated. 10:02 mdz sivang: we're out of time, let's discuss on ubuntu-devel@lists 10:02 sivang mdz: also I'd like to be low on deps, which could be barrier for other derivatives if I depend on it 10:02 seb128 sivang: why not contribution on libnautilus-burn to get the feature for it rather than starting a new implementation? 10:02 mdz thanks everyone 10:02 sivang mdz: sure 10:03 mdz adjourned, good night/morning
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