Xubuntu_2007-06-16
07:02 somerville32 Cheers === j1mc [n=jim@72-254-22-239.client.stsn.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:03 j1mc hi all 07:03 j1mc sorry i'm a bit late 07:03 j1mc wonky hotel wifi 07:03 somerville32 No problem. I'm just getting up from my nap 07:03 j1mc heh 07:03 maxamillion hello 07:03 j1mc hi maxamillion === vidd_laptop [n=vidd@216-107-0-212-dhcp.nni.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:04 maxamillion i can only stay for an hour, i should have left town an hour ago to go visit my father, but i didn't want to miss the meeting 07:04 j1mc what a guy... :) === luzi [n=luzi@77-57-12-10.dclient.hispeed.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:04 vidd_laptop i thought the meeting was later.... 07:05 j1mc hi luzi 07:05 luzi hi there 07:05 vidd_laptop @schedual New_york 07:05 vidd_laptop !schedual New_York 07:05 j1mc @schedule New_york 07:05 maxamillion schedule* 07:05 ubotu Schedule for America/New_York: Current meeting: Xubuntu Developers | 19 Jun 15:00: Technical Board | 20 Jun 16:00: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 14:00: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 16:00: Ubuntu US LoCo Team === vidd_laptop cant spell 07:06 maxamillion rgr 07:06 maxamillion ok, we are 6 minutes past time ... shall we get started? 07:07 somerville32 Aye. === maxamillion worries he will have a loss of power ... the storm rumbles out side 07:07 j1mc sure... 07:08 j1mc well, shall we go according to the agenda? 07:08 somerville32 One second, I'm going to relocate to somewhere more comfy. 07:08 somerville32 Please begin :] 07:08 j1mc ok. 07:09 somerville32 Ok 07:09 j1mc first item up on the agenda ( https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings ) is the website 07:09 somerville32 Aye. 07:09 j1mc desafortunadamente, we don't have TheSheep here to talk about it... 07:09 j1mc maxamillion: do you have anything you'd like to say about it? 07:10 somerville32 I know that TheSheep mentioned that he wasn't working on it anymore because of lack of time. === adam [n=adam@mobile-166-217-047-116.mycingular.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j1mc thinks "adam" is maxamillion === adam is now known as maxamillion 07:11 vidd_laptop wb maxamillion === maxamillion slaps his internet connection 07:11 somerville32 Unfortunately, I can't make any commitments since I'll be leaving July 1st until late August 07:11 maxamillion thanks vidd_laptop 07:11 maxamillion i lagged out 07:11 somerville32 Otherwise, I'd just hack at the template myself. === Hobbsee wonders if xubuntu-restricted-extras is of any use to anyone 07:11 j1mc yeah... maxamillion we were talking about the website, and how TheSheep hasn't been working on it due to lack of time. === vidd_laptop does not understand the deal with the website....do we acually want to clone ubuntu? 07:12 maxamillion Hobbsee: i've never heard of it to be truly honest 07:12 Hobbsee maxamillion: because it doesnt exist. 07:12 Hobbsee maxamillion: the resources are there that it can now 07:13 maxamillion Hobbsee: ah, i guess that is an idea i would have to bring up to jani 07:13 j1mc Hobbsee: can we come back to that a little later in the meeting? 07:13 maxamillion j1mc: sorry 07:13 Hobbsee j1mc: of course. just giving a heads up. i'm actually heading towards bed. sorry to hijack. 07:13 maxamillion j1mc: what's the current order of business? === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:13 j1mc np... :) thanks, Hobbsee... we'll be in touch about it. 07:14 j1mc maxamillion: we're talking about the website 07:14 j1mc thesheep doesn't have much time to work on it, and cody is leaving soon. 07:14 maxamillion ah 07:15 j1mc should we just consider a .css refresh? 07:15 vidd_laptop is it already decided that we ARE cloning the ubuntu site or is that still in the air? 07:15 somerville32 It would be easier to just use the new template. 07:15 j1mc there's a guy in chicago-ubuntu who is pretty good with drupal. 07:16 somerville32 j1mc: Aye. TheSheep isn't the only person who has the necessary skills 07:17 somerville32 I wonder what the other derivs. are doing. 07:17 j1mc yeah... i don't want to sign anybody up who isn't at the meeting, but i bet we could get the word out amongst our respective circles. 07:17 j1mc someone could help us... 07:17 somerville32 Do Kubuntu, Edubuntu, etc. have intentions to use the new template? 07:17 maxamillion i thought he had already done the theme change, just needed to add a new logo icons 07:17 j1mc good question. 07:17 Hobbsee i think kubuntu is going to use the new template. there's a spec on it 07:17 vidd_laptop if i had this template...i could do the design...i guess 07:17 maxamillion s/icons/icon 07:18 Hobbsee spec will tell of more details === Hobbsee --> bed. 07:18 maxamillion night Hobbsee 07:18 somerville32 maxamillion: Since you're the prime guy for the website right now, maybe you could create a specification and then we can all pitch in once you've got the framework done? 07:19 somerville32 I think we can all agree that we want the new template 07:19 somerville32 It is very professional, neat, clean, and lovely 07:19 somerville32 lol 07:19 j1mc yes, the new template looks good. :) 07:19 somerville32 The question is implementation and the question of content 07:19 vidd_laptop so then....when will ubuntu use it? 07:19 somerville32 Pardon? 07:19 maxamillion somerville32: i thought we already had a spec for it? ... i could have sworn all this was said and done, there were just minor changes needing to be made to the drupal theme that radomir worked on 07:20 j1mc vidd_laptop: ubuntu uses it already. ubuntu.com 07:20 vidd_laptop if this templete is as great as you make it out to be...then ubuntu does not have it up 07:20 j1mc maxamillion: you probably know better than the rest of us. 07:21 maxamillion i saw a screenshot of the one radomir was working on .. it looked almost finished to me, i thought he was just cleaning up some css code 07:21 somerville32 I too saw it 07:21 somerville32 It was looking good. 07:22 maxamillion somerville32: then we should get that code from him if he's not able to finish it 07:22 somerville32 maxamillion: Do you think you could be responsible for ensuring that the new template is implemented for the release of Gutsy? === somerville32 crosses his fingers. 07:22 somerville32 maxamillion: aye === j1mc waits as maxamillion types his response :) 07:23 maxamillion somerville32: yes, i can commit to that 07:23 j1mc awesome. :) 07:23 somerville32 Awesome indeed. 07:24 somerville32 Thanks max 07:24 somerville32 Lets talk about the doc-browser 07:24 maxamillion anytime 07:24 somerville32 j1mc: Did you and Admiral get to talk to some people in -doc again re: doc browseR? 07:24 j1mc no, not really... 07:25 j1mc i am just not sure what all additional work is required on the spec. 07:25 maxamillion doc-browser, i like the idea, but we would need to get it sponsored by a core-dev in order to get it in main so we can distribute it in the release iso 07:25 somerville32 The first step is developing it 07:25 somerville32 They can't put it in main unless it is all packaged and in tip-top quality. 07:25 maxamillion somerville32: right 07:25 somerville32 Once we get to the that point, we simply need it promoted and added to the seeds. 07:26 j1mc a comment was left on the spec on the wiki stating that much more work was needed in the latter section, but i am not sure what all to add. 07:26 somerville32 j1mc: Link? === tkjacobsen [n=tkjacobs@h59ec0f85.c45-01-03.dyn.perspektivbredband.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:27 j1mc https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Specifications/Gutsy/DocumentationBrowser 07:27 j1mc "The following sections need extensive work" 07:28 j1mc not being a developer, I'm not sure what to add. 07:28 j1mc . . . once that is ready, though, i should put it up on launchpad, correct? 07:28 somerville32 You can put it on now 07:29 somerville32 I can even do it if you'd like 07:29 j1mc it's ok... i'll handle it... 07:29 maxamillion yeah, once its on there i will join it ... maybe even put together a draft of the code sometime next week === festival_gaim [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-141-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:29 j1mc could either of you lend some insight as to what else would be needed in the spec, though? add a few additional comments? 07:30 maxamillion main issue is a proper search feature, shouldn't be too hard to code though ... but that will be the hardest part 07:31 somerville32 We don't need search 07:32 maxamillion no? 07:32 somerville32 If we use Topic Based Help, we should be A1 07:32 somerville32 Search could be something added later 07:32 maxamillion doesn't yelp have a search feature? 07:32 maxamillion ah, ok 07:32 somerville32 maxamillion: ie. If we can get a stable release that can go into gutsy first, then we can focus on extra stuff 07:32 j1mc makes sense. 07:33 maxamillion right 07:33 somerville32 j1mc: Did you create the spec on lp yet? :] 07:33 j1mc no, should i create it right now? :) === j1mc goes to create spec. :) 07:35 somerville32 maxamillion: The UI needs heavy specing === slomo_ [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:35 maxamillion somerville32: i agree 07:35 maxamillion somerville32: my honest plan is to mimic the yelp ui === somerville32 ponders. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:36 somerville32 We should get TheSheep's help on the UI. He is a UI god. 07:36 maxamillion he's just kinda an all around god, but yes ... he has alot of insight on UI 07:37 somerville32 Which is better then I 07:37 somerville32 I have nonme 07:37 somerville32 :] 07:38 maxamillion i have some ... i took a course last semester on human-computer-interaction and we covered ALOT of UI stuff 07:40 somerville32 Awesome. 07:41 maxamillion but anyways, that's a tad offtopic 07:41 j1mc ah, sorry guys... anyone have a link to set up a spec? 07:41 maxamillion we need to draft a UI spec and add it to jim's spec === j1mc looking... no luck yet. 07:41 somerville32 lol 07:41 maxamillion :P 07:42 somerville32 j1mc: I'll do it real quick 07:42 j1mc ok... then show me how you did it. 07:42 j1mc sorry, all. 07:42 somerville32 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+addspec 07:43 j1mc ok... .want me to do it now? 07:44 somerville32 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-documentation-browser 07:44 somerville32 Already done 07:45 j1mc thanks... 07:45 maxamillion heh, i'm already assined 07:45 maxamillion :) 07:46 maxamillion assigned* 07:46 maxamillion bleh ... i'm tired === j1mc gives maxamillion some coffee 07:47 maxamillion thanks 07:47 maxamillion speaking of .... i should get some of that on my way out of town so i don't fall asleep on the road 07:47 somerville32 <g> 07:47 maxamillion ok, we covered the website, and now the spec for the doc viewer .. next order of business? 07:47 somerville32 j1mc: How goes actual doc writing? 07:48 somerville32 And what was that I heard about us migrating to bzr? 07:48 j1mc it is going fairly well - not huge progress, but we are moving along. === maxamillion thought the docs were already held in a bzr repo 07:48 j1mc migrating to bzr isn't going to happen, but i do have a question about getting our changes up... 07:48 j1mc maxamillion: they are in a subversion repo. 07:49 maxamillion huh 07:49 j1mc since we are changing so much of the documentation for xubuntu, i don't want to submit huuuge patches... 07:49 luzi can we have a look at it? 07:49 j1mc we're basically using current ubuntu docs as a guide... 07:50 j1mc luzi: yeah... how do you want us to handle submitting patches? just submit them all to the ubuntu-doc mailing list? 07:50 j1mc the thing is... i don't think that we're really submitting "patches" we're basically submitting new content. 07:50 j1mc at least in terms of xubuntu . . . 07:50 somerville32 Thats ok. 07:50 luzi that's patches too, just really big ones. === somerville32 nods. 07:51 luzi i think it'd be better to work in the official doc repo 07:51 j1mc ok... we'll submit our first set this week, and then get feedback, i suppose. 07:51 j1mc luzi: i agree... 07:51 luzi not start your own branch, and then find out someone else has worked on the official repo.\ 07:51 j1mc right... 07:51 somerville32 Once you start getting a few patches in (and show that you check your work), you'll get SVN access quickly. === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:52 j1mc but basically we're using ubuntu docs as a base... 07:52 somerville32 As for creating your own branch, it IS possible that you could create a product and sync the SVN branch into a bzr branch 07:52 somerville32 Then you could use get a sponsor to upload your diffs (ie. patchs) 07:53 somerville32 But I figure you guys will get access soon enough anyhow 07:53 j1mc hmmm... yeah, that sounds like a hassle, though... :) i think it'll work out submitting patches up through the mailing list. 07:53 j1mc we'll see how it goes. 07:53 j1mc as i said, freddy and i will start submitting what we've been working on this week. 07:54 luzi sounds good to me. 07:54 j1mc the good news is that we are meeting weekly, and we're learning docbook, and are making progress. :) 07:54 somerville32 Awesome! Kudos! :) 07:54 j1mc the patch i submitted to the mailing list a few days ago was my first patch EVAR by the way. :) 07:55 somerville32 :D 07:55 maxamillion j1mc: congrats ;) 07:55 j1mc hehe 07:55 j1mc next topic? 07:55 maxamillion sure 07:56 somerville32 Keep us updated about doc status 07:56 somerville32 It lifts morale when one knows others are accomplishing things 07:56 j1mc ok. i will. 07:56 maxamillion thankies 07:56 somerville32 Which motivates them to do something productive too! 07:56 j1mc :) 07:58 j1mc it looks like we're missing our special guest. 07:58 maxamillion :( 07:58 somerville32 Disappointing, aye. 07:58 somerville32 Whats the other item on the list? 07:59 somerville32 More prominent add/remove in menu? === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 07:59 maxamillion well, i need to get going ... i might be back later 07:59 maxamillion it will be a few hours though, i have a long drive ahead of me 07:59 maxamillion laters all!! 07:59 j1mc ok, maxamillion thanks for your help. 08:00 j1mc somerville32: yeah, the add-remove item was on the list... 08:01 j1mc i think it's ok where it is, though... 08:01 somerville32 Who added the item? 08:01 j1mc VincentZekred 08:02 somerville32 Ok 08:03 somerville32 Well, I suppose we can discuss the items we were going to discuss with Cory 08:03 j1mc sure... 08:04 j1mc would you like to start? === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:05 somerville32 I think there is a fundamental issue at heart 08:06 somerville32 It feels like, at times, it is the blind leading the blind and we happen to be just going in circles. 08:07 j1mc i do see some of the same issues being brought up again and again... 08:08 j1mc and to me, it seems that items of little importance receive a good deal of attention. 08:08 somerville32 There is a recognized lack of direction. A lot of us, such as myself, simply don't have the experience to lead the develop of a distribution by ourselves. We aren't always aware of the resources available or the best way to do things. 08:08 somerville32 Aye. 08:08 j1mc yeah... 08:09 somerville32 We all have good intentions but I think it would be hard to argue that there is more talk then actual do. === j1mc nods 08:10 j1mc i don't really know who does the work for xubuntu other than jani. 08:10 somerville32 I think it is just Jani and Lionel now 08:10 j1mc there seems to be a disconnect there for one thing . . . who is Lionel? 08:10 j1mc it's sad that i don't know that. :) 08:11 lionel mr_pouit, not me :) 08:11 somerville32 Aye 08:11 somerville32 lol 08:11 mr_pouit yes ^^ === j1mc waves at mr_pouit and asks if he is lionel. 08:11 j1mc :) 08:11 mr_pouit yes, I am Lionel :P === hagi_ [n=hagi@adsl-89-217-170-144.adslplus.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:13 somerville32 j1mc: I agree with you. There is most certainly a disconnect. 08:13 mr_pouit Jani has very little time, that's why he never attends the meeting iirc. === somerville32 nods. 08:13 somerville32 Jani is very busy. 08:13 j1mc mr_pouit and jani are doing the real core work for xubuntu it seems... it would just be good to know how to support them... 08:14 j1mc and it seems like we have people at the high level, like jani and mr_pouit , but not many folks in between that and people at the end where there isn't much coding going on. === ogra [n=ogra@ubuntu/member/ogra] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:15 j1mc i'm not sure what all else to say on this topic. 08:16 mr_pouit there are many things to do : merging packages from debian (I am taking care of that since the begin of gutsy dev cycle), "degnomify"ing apps (Jani tries to do this), but also bug triaging, translations... === somerville32 nods. 08:18 somerville32 Maybe we lose focus too often of what there really is to do? 08:18 somerville32 But at the same time, I still feel like there is something missing. 08:18 somerville32 A link along the way 08:19 somerville32 I guess the question is, why do people not know what to do when they know what they can do? === j1mc phone 08:19 somerville32 or *could do === neversfelde|mobi [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:22 j1mc back... 08:22 j1mc that's a good question, cody... 08:23 somerville32 It is a question I can only guess at 08:23 j1mc i think we could tackle it in a few ways... 08:23 somerville32 Aye. 08:23 mr_pouit j1mc: I think the people "between" could be bugtriagers === j1mc thinks aloud . . . :) 08:23 mr_pouit It doesn't need coding.packaging skills, and it's very useful 08:24 j1mc mr_pouit: agreed. :) 08:24 j1mc but how do we encourage people to triage? 08:24 j1mc ... through the lists... 08:24 mr_pouit and it doesn't seem that the bugsquad takes care of xubuntu bugs... many stays untriaged :/ 08:24 gpocentek hug days \o/ 08:24 j1mc ... through xubuntu bugs days... 08:24 j1mc hug days, yeay! 08:24 mr_pouit yes === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:25 gpocentek make people jump in and triage Xubuntu bugs during hug days === somerville32 pushes gpocentek into the bug pool for hugs. 08:25 j1mc but also . . . the mailing lists and the ubuntu planet could be used as means to give these topics some attention. 08:25 somerville32 Aye 08:25 somerville32 j1mc: I agree. 08:26 j1mc somerville32: what's with you saying "Aye" ... are you a pirate now? :-P 08:26 j1mc no, i guess that would be Arrrg! 08:26 j1mc sorry === j1mc was just teasing, somerville32 :) === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:27 j1mc mr_pouit: you think that would help - bug traige? this is a big need for you guys? 08:27 somerville32 mr_pouit, gpocentek: What about people on this "higher end" who want to package (can package and do), want to program (can program and do), and want to help _develop_ yet don't have the experience to do so. 08:27 somerville32 s/./? 08:28 somerville32 A good example is the network manager 08:30 gpocentek j1mc: bug triaging usually leads to have a look at the packages too 08:30 mr_pouit somerville32: for packaging, there is the Ubuntu-motu-mentors ML, and there's the possibility to get mentored by a MOTU === neversfelde [n=neversfe@nrbg-4db44554.pool.einsundeins.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:32 j1mc one thing that was helpful during the run-up to the release of feisty was jani asked certain items to be tested. === doko [n=doko@dslb-088-073-124-114.pools.arcor-ip.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:32 somerville32 mr_pouit: I can already package but I'd like to go one step further and start developing and implementing specifications. 08:32 j1mc as cody mentioned before, knowing what others are working on would help further participation of others. 08:32 j1mc help build momentum... 08:33 Toadstool bug triaging is one of the best way in actually, if you don't stick to the click-on-LP part of the job, it gives you a chance to examine different kind of packages and gives you much more experience than just packaging some random app imho 08:35 luzi i've got to go. see you all! 08:35 j1mc take care, luzi === somerville32 waves at luzi === somerville32 nods at Toadstool 08:36 gpocentek somerville32: my first steps with coding was fixes to xfce applets === finalbeta [n=gggggggg@d54C6865D.access.telenet.be] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === somerville32 nods. 08:37 somerville32 Ok :] === skateinmars [n=skateinm@bea13-1-82-228-105-196.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:41 j1mc so, a few things we can take away from this: bug triage is appreciated by the developers, and we need more of it. 08:41 j1mc ... we could use some mentoring (?) for people interested in developing more... or advancing their development skills... 08:41 gpocentek yes 08:42 j1mc what else... 08:42 gpocentek you can play with simple packaging tasks 08:42 j1mc providing a bit more prompting on what could be done may be helpful in generating more activity. 08:42 gpocentek packages updates for instance, not necessarily Xubuntu related === j1mc nods 08:43 gpocentek if you want to develop stuff in *ubuntu, you'll *have* to be ready to touch packages 08:43 gpocentek this also means being around in #u-motu 08:44 j1mc somerville32: anything to add... there's more, i know... these are not small issues, really... 08:44 gpocentek for Jani, Lionel and me, everything started with the MOTUs === somerville32 nods 08:44 somerville32 j1mc: I think we covered a lot of good ground today. 08:45 j1mc i think part of it may be that people might not think that they would be ready to be a motu. or they don't think of it as something they could attain. ?? or maybe we just don't have enough motu-minded people with us now. 08:45 gpocentek maybe 08:45 gpocentek there's almost nothing in universe related to xubuntu 08:45 gpocentek main only 08:45 mr_pouit 2 or 3 panel-plugins 08:45 gpocentek but becoming a MOTU is possible for *everyone* 08:46 somerville32 It generally takes 2 release cycles though 08:46 j1mc mr_pouit: i think that a note to the list every now and then from you and jani, just letting us know what you're working on, would be good. 08:46 gpocentek yes, but it doesn't mean that your work is not applied 08:46 somerville32 gpocentek: aye 08:46 j1mc also identifying any areas that need help, testing, review, etc... 08:47 somerville32 Increasing xubuntu developer visibility would most certainly be helpful in regards to moral. 08:47 j1mc it doesn't have to be all the time... but ... like i said earlier, it is weird to not even know who the core people are. 08:47 j1mc and you do so much awesome work. :) 08:48 somerville32 I think participation in some of the discussion (either putting out unproductive ones or supporting/steering productive ones) would be a plus. === j1mc agrees 08:48 somerville32 I'd like there to be less of a division 08:48 somerville32 And I think it may have been created by the unproductive discussions that occur on -devel sometimes. 08:49 j1mc yes... 08:51 mr_pouit Yes, sometimes the xubuntu-devel ml tends to become xubuntu-users :] 08:51 mr_pouit j1mc: ok for the note, I'll tru to do that 08:51 mr_pouit *try 08:51 somerville32 splendid 08:51 j1mc :) 08:53 somerville32 mr_pouit: So, what are your feelings on the xubuntu-documentation-browser spec? === fijam [n=fijam@unaffiliated/fijam] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 08:56 fijam hello 08:56 somerville32 Hello 08:56 fijam it's been a while 08:57 somerville32 I'm sure it has 08:57 j1mc i've got to go, everyone. thanks for time out of your days today... i think it was a helpful discussion. 08:57 mr_pouit This could be useful, but it would be worth knowing if people are really bored by Firefox slowness 08:58 somerville32 mr_pouit: I know I am. 08:58 vidd_laptop board?? 08:58 somerville32 j1mc: ttyl 08:58 vidd_laptop frustrated...but never bored =] 08:58 j1mc bye! 08:59 fijam somerville32: a lot of things popped up and I was unable to contribute to the documentation development 08:59 vidd_laptop mr_pouit, are there plans to replace/trim FF in the near future? 08:59 somerville32 fijiam: Tis is ok :) 09:00 mr_pouit We should see this with Jani, but I don't think so 09:00 fijam but now, once the exams are over I should have enough time to help 09:00 mr_pouit (at least not for gutsy) 09:00 somerville32 fijam: J1mc and Admiral_Chigaco are really leading the way. They'd be super happy to get your assistance, I know they would. 09:01 vidd_laptop btw somerville32: i dont really have the time or know-how to work with getting the xfburn issue resolved.... === vidd_laptop has no idea where to even begin 09:01 vidd_laptop =\ 09:02 mr_pouit vidd_laptop: you can speak with pygi from the ubuntu burning team 09:02 fijam somerville32: I'll let them know that I am 'available' 09:02 somerville32 awesome :) 09:03 vidd_laptop mr_pouit, and how would i do that...is it a mailing list....forum...??? 09:03 somerville32 a person 09:04 mr_pouit He should be on #ubuntu-burning, but you can also mail him (https://launchpad.net/~mario-danic) 09:04 vidd_laptop somerville32, i KNOW its a person...but do i contact them via telephone, e-mail, irc? 09:04 somerville32 Ah. See above ^^ 09:05 vidd_laptop bookmarked 09:06 somerville32 I'd be interested in taking a look at xfburn too 09:06 vidd_laptop its an awesome app...clean looking.... 09:07 vidd_laptop and LITE.... 09:07 vidd_laptop does everything but burn ISO's 09:07 somerville32 And hopefully we'll fix that :] 09:07 vidd_laptop unfortunantly....burning ISO's is all i use a burner for 09:08 vidd_laptop somerville32, have you ever burned an ISO from command line? and did it work correctly? 09:09 somerville32 No, I've never done that. === gpocentek already did it 09:10 vidd_laptop cuzz if burning from command line works correctly...then it SHOULD simply be a matter of coding the UI button for "burn ISO" to call the proper CLI command 09:11 vidd_laptop gpocentek, what is the proper commands? 09:11 gpocentek that's what xfburn does 09:11 gpocentek cdrecord 09:11 gpocentek well, now it's wodim 09:11 vidd_laptop gpocentek, but why does it not do it correctly then? 09:11 mr_pouit cdrecord has many issues 09:12 gpocentek vidd_laptop: no idea 09:12 vidd_laptop gnomebaker is a front end for cdrecord....and it does not have this issue.... 09:12 vidd_laptop or does gnomebaker use something else for ISO images? === Burgundavia [n=corey@ubuntu/member/burgundavia] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Lure_ [n=lure@89-212-19-55.dynamic.dsl.t-2.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:13 mr_pouit I think all cd recording apps still use cdrecord 09:13 mr_pouit (except brasero in gutsy that switched to libburnia) 09:13 fijam brasero may use libburn afaik 09:13 fijam yeah 09:14 vidd_laptop mr_pouit, what are the requirements for brasero? 09:14 mr_pouit libgnome and gstreamer 09:16 vidd_laptop gsteamer is alot of overhead....and will take out gxine....our default media player 09:16 mr_pouit yes === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:17 Burgundavia gstreamer also gets you the autocodec stuff, however 09:17 vidd_laptop Burgundavia, i would rather install libxine-extracodecs 09:17 vidd_laptop get all the goodies without all the bloat 09:17 Burgundavia do we have definitive proof that gstreamer apps are more "bloated' === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:18 vidd_laptop just check the memory footprint 09:18 vidd_laptop and then we would also have to replace our media player 09:19 vidd_laptop gxine cant run on gstreamer 09:19 Burgundavia right 09:19 mr_pouit and find a gstreamer based player without gnome deps 09:19 Burgundavia heh 09:19 Burgundavia ok, just playing devils advocate 09:19 vidd_laptop and i dont recall there being any app anywhere near as lite-weight as gxine that runs gstreamer 09:20 vidd_laptop libburnia..... === vidd_laptop is off to see if he can fine a tiny bruner that can run it....without needing half the repository list to run 09:22 vidd_laptop *burner 09:22 somerville32 Splendid 09:23 mr_pouit in gtk2 this is going to be hard... afaik, only brasero ans xfburn are still maintained 09:23 mr_pouit *and 09:24 somerville32 Why is brasero out of the game? 09:24 vidd_laptop it needs gsteamer === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:25 vidd_laptop interesting....pygi runs the mailing list for the libburn-cutters 09:26 vidd_laptop is libburnia in the repo's? 09:26 mr_pouit yes 09:26 mr_pouit libburn & libisofs 09:26 somerville32 Welp, I think this here would be perfect discussion for #xubuntu-devel 09:27 somerville32 Now that Burgundavia is here, I'd really like to hear from him :) 09:27 Burgundavia right 09:28 Burgundavia nobody else objects? 09:28 vidd_laptop none here 09:29 Burgundavia ok 09:29 Burgundavia well, somerville32 asked me to come and chat with you guys about community building 09:29 somerville32 \o/ 09:29 Burgundavia the key part of community building is basically that you need to provide things for people to do 09:29 Burgundavia the "if you build it, they will come" or "nothing breeds success like success" === ..[topic/#ubuntu-meeting:ubotu] : Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 19 Jun 19:00 UTC: Technical Board | 20 Jun 20:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 21 Jun 18:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 21 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 23 Jun 20:00 UTC: Ubuntu US LoCo Team | 26 Jun 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team 09:30 Burgundavia what you need to ask is "if I were a new contributor, how do I get involved? 09:30 Burgundavia " 09:30 Burgundavia to answer that, you need a bunch of small tasks to get people going 09:31 Burgundavia for instance, the bug team has got their "bitesize tasks" or KDE's Junior Jobs 09:32 Burgundavia in that vein, here are some concrete ideas (I have no idea if you doing any of these or not) 09:32 Burgundavia * tag xubuntu specific bugs as bitesized and then publish that list 09:32 Burgundavia * get people blogging on Planet Ubuntu about the latest Xubuntu news (new programs, new artwork, etc) 09:33 Burgundavia * define a few high levels goals for the next release 09:33 Burgundavia some people are drawn in by big ideas, others by small stuff 09:34 Burgundavia does any of this make sense? 09:34 vidd_laptop Burgundavia, now that you said it...its super obvious! 09:34 vidd_laptop =] === somerville32 nods. 09:34 Burgundavia now, all of this takes work, time that is not going to actual development 09:35 Burgundavia that might feel like a waste (I just want to fix this bug, not tell somebody else how to do it) but it well worth the effort to teach people 09:35 vidd_laptop Burgundavia, so true.... 09:36 Burgundavia so, I kind of mixed in marketing xubuntu in, my 2nd point 09:36 Burgundavia an important thing to remember, is that whenever you promote or talk about Xubuntu, you need to talk about how people can help 09:37 Burgundavia for instance, when Jono is good at this 09:37 Burgundavia look at his blog posts about Jokosher for examples 09:37 Burgundavia or my blog about OpenStreetMap 09:38 Burgundavia for instance, you were talking about burners earlier 09:38 Burgundavia one of you could write a blog about how you are searching for a burner and what the pitfalls you have run into 09:39 Burgundavia at the end of the blog post, ask for peoples help in solving this problem === slackwarelife [n=slackwar@host249-129-dynamic.4-87-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:40 Burgundavia that make sense? 09:40 fijam certainly 09:40 Burgundavia another thing to realize is that you are going to loose people and gain people 09:40 vidd_laptop it makes sense.... 09:41 Burgundavia being a volunteer project, the number of people you have is going to ebb and wain. The key part is that you attracting new people 09:41 Burgundavia from a development POV, unloading as much work on other people is also a good idea 09:41 Burgundavia thus working with upstream GNOME to make their apps run on stock GTK is thus a good idea 09:42 mr_pouit Jani has some problems to convince upstream to get his patches 09:42 Burgundavia some of that might require you do the hard work of integrating the patches and again, it is all about personal relationships 09:43 Burgundavia brb === skateinmars [n=skateinm@bea13-1-82-228-105-196.fbx.proxad.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Bye!"] 09:44 Burgundavia back 09:44 Burgundavia any other questions? 09:45 somerville32 Aye 09:46 somerville32 I'd like to know how to reduce the "running around with out heads chopped off" symptom that is a result of guidance and leadership. 09:46 somerville32 err.. lack of 09:46 Burgundavia ah, ok 09:47 Burgundavia well, the best way to solve that problem is to do something :) 09:47 Burgundavia have a meeting wherein you define a few high level goals for the next release and then agree on them 09:47 Burgundavia voila! instant leadership, because you all know what you are trying to do 09:48 Burgundavia a goal might be: find and implement a burning app 09:48 Burgundavia or: improve basic documentation to make certain all major apps are documented 09:48 vidd_laptop somerville32, maybe we should put a "goal checklist" on the xubuntu site.... 09:49 Burgundavia yes, that would be awesome 09:49 Burgundavia how many of you have blogs and are on planet ubuntu? 09:49 vidd_laptop complete with Task Leader column (with e-mail address) 09:49 vidd_laptop not i 09:49 somerville32 I don't but I guess I should 09:49 Burgundavia get one and get it on planet ubuntu and start blogging 09:49 fijam btw is the xubuntu.wordpress.com an (at-least-partially)official blog? It seems to be somewhat abandoned. === somerville32 nods. 09:50 somerville32 no, it is not 09:50 Burgundavia talk about the latest development news, new deployments, etcx. 09:51 vidd_laptop somerville32, i will draw up a template for a "goal checklist" page.... 09:51 fijam ah, ok. It is still a top result on google for 'xubuntu blog' query. Maybe something should be done in order to change it. The official xubuntu site is rather 'static' IMO. 09:51 Burgundavia ah, yep 09:51 somerville32 I understand that certain individuals have been able to be accelerated in terms of acceptance to MOTU. Would that be available to xubuntu individuals who have demonstrated proficiencies? 09:51 Burgundavia a static website means nobody will visit it 09:51 Burgundavia for MOTU, you need to talk to the tech board 09:52 Burgundavia for ubuntu membership, I suggest you learn from the Brazillian team 09:53 Burgundavia when one of their own comes up, they all comment on that persons user page 09:53 Burgundavia it makes it so much easier to figure out whether or not to approve peope === somerville32 nods. === fijam is now known as fijamoto 09:54 somerville32 I think getting more "xubuntu" ubuntu members would be an A1 idea 09:54 vidd_laptop ubuntu membership? === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 09:55 Burgundavia for that, you need a council 09:55 vidd_laptop what is that? 09:55 Burgundavia much like the Kubuntu one 09:55 DarkSun88 Hi all === fijamoto is now known as fijam 09:56 somerville32 Hiya 09:56 fijam hello 09:56 somerville32 Burgundavia: I don't think we really need a council at this time though, eh? 09:56 somerville32 We only have a dozen or so people involved directly 09:56 somerville32 (if that) 09:56 Burgundavia I would have to seriously look at how many people you have 09:56 Burgundavia you need a certain critical mass 09:56 somerville32 We don't have that :/ 09:56 Burgundavia make certain you have all your core contributors as members first === DarkSun88 [n=Ma@ubuntu/member/darksun88] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Sto] 09:57 mr_pouit there are ~100 members in the ~xubuntu-users team 10:01 vidd_laptop mr_pouit, is that the mailing list? 10:01 somerville32 No 10:01 mr_pouit No, this is a Launchpad team: https://launchpad.net/~xubuntu-users/ 10:01 vidd_laptop hrm... i never heard of it b4.... === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === festival_gaim [n=ralfm@dslb-084-058-141-055.pools.arcor-ip.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 10:04 Burgundavia anyway, you should probably wrap this meeting up 10:04 Burgundavia if you want to chat with me privately or at another meeting, I can do that === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:05 somerville32 Alrighty. Thanks a bunch :) === ash211 [n=andrew@wsip-70-182-240-156.ks.ks.cox.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:08 fijam If i might suggest something at this point... 10:09 fijam IMO it should be taken under serious consideration how to make the xubuntu website more attractive to the visitors 10:10 somerville32 We're implementing a new theme 10:10 fijam when the official website doesn't draw attention and updates every major release, there is a feeling that 'everything is happening behind the scenes' 10:10 fijam which may be just an antoher factor deterring people from joining the development 10:11 fijam s/antoher/another === somerville32 nods. 10:11 Burgundavia yep 10:11 fijam the form is undoubtly important, but the content is what is desperately needed ;) 10:15 fijam maybe this is a topic for another meeting 10:15 Burgundavia yes :) 10:16 Burgundavia given you are at 3hours and counting 10:16 somerville32 :] === ogra_ [n=ogra@p548AE18D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:19 fijam right, thanks for the meeting, and see you later 10:19 Burgundavia cya
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