1 * Joe_CoT has changed the topic to: IRC meeting NOW. If you're not here, you get 2 demerits
   2 <RickHahn13> if it werent for the occasional accident i doubt most of us wouldnt be here
   3 <Joe_CoT>  /anyway/....
   4 <RickHahn13> sorry
   5 <Joe_CoT> okay, so i think this is most of the people that were at the regional meetings. hi
   6 <joincamp> hi
   7 <gQuig1> hello
   8 <undertherift> hi
   9 * Joe_CoT pokes Grarg
  10 <Joe_CoT> ok, things that went on at the meetings: people talked about how annoying Xorg configuration was, we thought a linux LAN party was a good idea, and TCF is April 28th-29th
  11 <Joe_CoT> TCF + linux lan = 2 events. we need to think of another good one
  12 <FrostyColdDrink> helpdesk?
  13 <gQuig1> elaborate...
  14 <FrostyColdDrink> workshop, apple genius bar style
  15 <Joe_CoT> we can do a installfest/helpfest, but it needs to be promoted, heavily
  16 <undertherift> How about a presentation at a library or elementary school?
  17 <joincamp> and we fix people's xp problems?
  18 <gQuig1> by installing ubuntu
  19 <joincamp> there it is
  20 <FrostyColdDrink> heh there we go :)
  21 <Joe_CoT> it's not as simple as that, and that's the problem. Feisty will help with that
  22 <undertherift> A helpdesk is nice - but people have to have it to get help... if they don't have ubuntu, why would they need help?
  23 <FrostyColdDrink> well thats why its not going to be the first thing to do :)
  24 <Joe_CoT> we wouldn't just have a helpdesk. it'd be an installfest. I think having a helpdesk/installfest every month or so would be a really good idea
  25 <undertherift> so as a follow up to an installfest?
  26 <FrostyColdDrink> apple is getting a lot of peopel to swich partially becasue they can stop in and get help, one on one and in workshops
  27 <FrostyColdDrink> it woudl be nice to offer than after some other events
  28 <joincamp> lets do it
  29 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah!
  30 <undertherift> I think once a month is pretty ambitious, especially initially.
  31 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah, quarterly may be good
  32 <Joe_CoT> I'd like to get the first 3 done quickly.
  33 <Joe_CoT> So we wouldn't have an event before tcf, but we should be planning and getting prepared for ones
  34 <gQuig1> I wouldn't, I want them to be done well
  35 <joincamp> i doubt people would be showing up in droves, so it wouldnt be all that bad to do a few
  36 <FrostyColdDrink> well a couple weeks after the install fest we could workshop, then set up quartlerly after that if we think its good
  37 <gQuig1> I think we might want to start out with a presentation, before an installfest, to gather support for it
  38 <gQuig1> install fests might get more people out for the loco team, they generally don't get the average joe out to em
  39 <Joe_CoT> qQuig1: I'm talking weeks, not days. in my mind, the order would go: tcf, installfest, lan. tcf and the installfest won't talk a whole lot of planning. the installfest needs promoting, and the lan needs a lot of preparing
  40 <FrostyColdDrink> i dont think it needs to be said but cordinatign any event, particuarly an install fest with LUGs would be a nice bon, so long as its an ubuntu events :)
  41 <Joe_CoT> gQuig1: what do you think would get the average Joe out?
  42 <FrostyColdDrink> "What your computer to just work? Ubuntu - Linux for Human Beings"
  43 <undertherift> Joe: Maybe a 'don't want to spend $400 on vista?' Check this out
  44 <RickHahn13> what if we set up a table in a best buy somewhere and showed off fiesty?
  45 <FrostyColdDrink> they would never allow that
  46 <Joe_CoT> i don't think setting up in a store would be good for anything but getting arrested
  47 <undertherift> ok lets do it
  48 <RickHahn13> well i'm just talking concept here
  49 <joincamp> haha
  50 <RickHahn13> somewhere where people can get face time with it
  51 <RickHahn13> a college campus maybe
  52 <joincamp> i work at a lab in drexel, maybe i could set up some of the lab pc's for a night
  53 <undertherift> bookstore?
  54 <FrostyColdDrink> campus areas, libraries, coffee joints, merchants association meetings, ...
  55 <joincamp> invite people in to see what its about?
  56 <Joe_CoT> is there anything that we could do, where it wouldn't be so much people going to it, but people happening upon it? those seem to work the best
  57 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah, just being ther efor drive bys is cool to
  58 <RickHahn13> we could distribute live cds
  59 <undertherift> joe: 'happening upon it'?
  60 <FrostyColdDrink> thats why we ste up on campus and libraries and such :) People will come by, probably have a few minutes to spare
  61 <Joe_CoT> does a library really get that much foot traffic? (i wouldn't know, i haven't been to one for years except for chlug)
  62 <undertherift> yeah definitely
  63 <FrostyColdDrink> the cherry hill llibrary seems to have a good bit during meeting time
  64 <joincamp> people could set up a table outside my lab and promote it, and then send them inside to see more
  65 <FrostyColdDrink> we have to catch the groups going out of the computer labs for schedueld events too, you know, for extra boost
  66 <FrostyColdDrink> to timing is key
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  68 <Joe_CoT> how about an installfest /at/ a college campus?
  69 <Joe_CoT> we can promote it with demos in public areas, and then have the installfest later.
  70 <joincamp> sounds good
  71 <Joe_CoT> only problem is that there's only about a month left of this school year :-/
  72 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah thats cool
  73 <FrostyColdDrink> youd better hurry then :)
  74 <joincamp> drexel is year round ;)
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  76 <undertherift> I think that would do better in the fall
  77 <Joe_CoT> most places are, but are empty in the summer.
  78 <undertherift> get those young, impressionable freshmen
  79 <joincamp> yeah but drexel is really year round
  80 <joincamp> and not empty
  81 <gQuigs> yea I know, but half of us aren't there at any given time ....
  82 <Joe_CoT> yeah, but drexel's in philadelphia ;) Let's not steal all of the PA team's thunder just yet.
  83 <joincamp> haha
  84 <Joe_CoT> ok, how many people would be interested/able to be at tcf?
  85 <gQuigs> ./
  86 * FrostyColdDrink will be in LA
  87 <joincamp> i think im good for it
  88 <gQuigs> you giving a talk / demo there?
  89 <Joe_CoT> i have to email the guy. If i haven't done so by the end of this week, come to my house and slap me
  90 <FrostyColdDrink> just do it now
  91 <Joe_CoT> i'm at work
  92 <FrostyColdDrink> we'll wait
  93 <FrostyColdDrink> you can't send e-mails?
  94 <gQuigs> but you can hold an IRC meeting
  95 <FrostyColdDrink> something isn't adding up here
  96 <Joe_CoT> i'll email them tonight, ok?
  97 <gQuigs> ok
  98 <FrostyColdDrink> sure
  99 <joincamp> uh huh
 100 <Joe_CoT> ok. like i said, only 2 badges, but it looks like that doesn't matter past set up. I need one other badge person who can be there to set up / take down. Doesn't need to be the same person both days
 101 <gQuigs> I can be there at least one day
 102 <gQuigs> what's a badge
 103 <gQuigs> ?
 104 <Joe_CoT> "vendor" badge
 105 <Joe_CoT> ie you're allowed to be at the table. during the show, doesn't matter, but it probably matters when vendors are setting up
 106 <joincamp> i think i would be able to be there one day
 107 <Joe_CoT> okay, i stand corrected:
 108 <Joe_CoT> http://www.tcf-nj.org/web/Purchase-Advance-Tickets.html
 109 <Joe_CoT> it's apparently cheaper to get a vendor badge than to get admission o.O
 110 <FrostyColdDrink> it makes sense
 111 <Joe_CoT> which is a bummer, so we'll need to talk about that when people know when they can come
 112 <Joe_CoT> ok, so what's the first thing you guys want to do after tcf?
 113 <FrostyColdDrink> installfest
 114 <FrostyColdDrink> so they can participate in the lan party :)
 115 <joincamp> yah
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 117 <Joe_CoT> haha. they can participate in the lan party either way. linux games are like that
 118 <FrostyColdDrink> hmm but the lan party is a good dry run to get people to want to install :)
 119 <Joe_CoT> if we want to do the lan party first, we need to start working on it pronto
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 121 <FrostyColdDrink> no install fest first is better :)
 122 <FrostyColdDrink> do we have a specific date for fiesty release yet?
 123 <gQuig1> "When it's Done"
 124 <Joe_CoT> it's supposed to be April 19th. It'll definately be before tcf, so we'll be giving it out then
 125 <FrostyColdDrink> well we'd want to do the fest as soon after fiesty release as possible.
 126 <FrostyColdDrink> right?
 127 <FrostyColdDrink> But I won't be here :)
 128 <Joe_CoT> yeah, but we wouldn't want to plan it close enough to the 19th to chance it not being out yet
 129 <FrostyColdDrink> how about cinco de mayo?
 130 <Joe_CoT> and there might be issues that need resolving. Edgy broke everyone's wireless cards when it first came out
 131 <FrostyColdDrink> thats roughly 2 weeks
 132 <undertherift> If you're gonna do it at a college, may is around finals time
 133 <Joe_CoT> that could work, but is a week after tcf. i can do it, i don't know who else would, esp because of finals
 134 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah no one will car the week or two before finals, through the end
 135 <FrostyColdDrink> wussie college students
 136 <Joe_CoT> i could do it the 12th. that's right after finals. on the 19th i'll be at pacs
 137 <FrostyColdDrink> so it seems unless we do soemthing before the tcf we aren't going to get the college boon, am i right?
 138 <FrostyColdDrink> yes people will be around after finals, but i know a lot of students take the summers off
 139 <Joe_CoT> right, and before tcf we risk Feisty badness. I think the college thing is a good thing to remember for the fall
 140 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah, so noted
 141 <FrostyColdDrink> so tenetive install fest mat 12?
 142 <Joe_CoT> so we'd need to think of somewhere else to have it if we wanted it in mid-may, and we'd need to find a way to get the word out
 143 <FrostyColdDrink> i do have a coffee shop I can try and scam :)
 144 <Joe_CoT> that's pretty far south though. that's the other problem. people won't come far and wide for an installfest
 145 <joincamp> what if we put out a ad saying something to the effect of "you got the slick new computer, but lets put some life back in that old one"
 146 <FrostyColdDrink> jersey sucks. Cali peeps would do it
 147 <FrostyColdDrink> how much do you really want to coordinate state-wide though? I mean, you cant even get north jersey to come out :)
 148 <joincamp> i know lots of people with old p3's that they dont know what to do with
 149 <FrostyColdDrink> if you pick central jersey, that w ould be least pain for all, but who would come from the far north?
 150 <Joe_CoT> who would come from the south?
 151 <gQuig1> lol
 152 <FrostyColdDrink> i would
 153 <joincamp> farmers dont use computers ;)\
 154 <gQuig1> we could carpool, but we aren't going to attract any other people from the south
 155 <Joe_CoT> yeah. i think we'd be better picking a region for the install fest and promoting it there
 156 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah, so it may be a good idea to do sattilite events, as much as that sucks ass
 157 <Joe_CoT> we could have 2, a couple weeks apart
 158 <Joe_CoT> but i'm only hearing 2 ppl for cherry hill talk right now, so i don't know how well that would pan out
 159 <Joe_CoT> *from
 160 <FrostyColdDrink> and i have to travel to get up to cherry hill too
 161 <FrostyColdDrink> well your the loco team leader so its on you to work it out :)
 162 <Joe_CoT> well thanks ;P
 163 <gQuig1> I still like the invade a school idea :)
 164 <Joe_CoT> gQuig1: me too, but i think it'll probably have to wait til the fall
 165 <gQuig1> err. . I mean not the college thing, the edubuntu lab at local school thingy
 166 <gQuig1> its sortof easier than an installfest
 167 <FrostyColdDrink> so burlington is as far north as I'm willign to travel on my own, and it ould have to be a long affair.
 168 <undertherift> I think attacking a public library is a good option too
 169 <undertherift> lots of different age groups, and a lot of people loitering
 170 <FrostyColdDrink> and people receptive to education, hopefully :)
 171 <undertherift> right
 172 <joincamp> haha
 173 <undertherift> and then we 'demo' to the staff that it works
 174 <Joe_CoT> well, i could definitely car pool you guys up, it's definitely easy enough for gQuig, and you're willing to drive to cherry hill as it is. but i don't think a split installfest would be that bad either. We've got some people in the south, and enough people in the north when combined with ruslug for it to work
 175 <undertherift> perhaps try and get a promo session with them
 176 <Joe_CoT> gQuig1: how'd things go with haddonfield/cherry hill?
 177 <undertherift> I gotta jet for now, enjoy yourselves.
 178 <gQuig1> cya
 179 <joincamp> bye
 180 <Joe_CoT> later
 181 <gQuig1> yea... procrastination got me too
 182 <FrostyColdDrink> later
 183 <Joe_CoT> haha. it's not so much procrastination as work, school, everything
 184 <Joe_CoT> okay, so it mostly looks like it's just gQuig1, FrostyColdDrink, joincamp, and I at this point. anyone else alive still?
 185 <FrostyColdDrink> ping?
 186 <gQuig1> pong!
 187 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah but we alreadt knew you were there
 188 <Joe_CoT> okay. I think that's about it for the "meeting" then. we can keep talking about stuff, but realize there's no one from north jersey on at all.
 189 <FrostyColdDrink> heh. seems like you are just going to have to call some shots, and hope you can bus in eough people to make it work
 190 <Joe_CoT> gQuig1: getting back to something you said earlier, i do want this stuff done right, but I'm anxious to get the 3 planned. Getting approved means canonical stops treating us like lepers
 191 <Joe_CoT> FrostyColdDrink: yeah, i know. but i did that for the north jersey meeting location, and only 1 person that was outside new brunswick came.
 192 <RickHahn13> i'm here... just eating
 193 <FrostyColdDrink> if living in NJ has tought me anything, its that people who drive in NJ either pass through, or don't go far
 194 <Joe_CoT> i think we could get people to go far for the linux lan, but that one's the most important to me as far as planning it very well
 195 <gQuig1> agreed, but I know ppl that would travel pretty far for LAN party
 196 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah, network capacity is easy, but power reqiirements are tough
 197 <Joe_CoT> ruslug guaranteed me a location. they're friends with a gaming league in new brunswick. that's space + power + parking
 198 <gQuig1> sweet
 199 <Joe_CoT> yeah
 200 <RickHahn13> i'm in
 201 <Joe_CoT> the lan needs a lot of planning, though. i'm anxious to plan the event that's going to come after tcf, so we can start planning the lan
 202 <gQuig1> How should I address the Haddonfield guy?  I now have a team willing to help your school get a lab set up running edubuntu.... Do I ?
 203 <FrostyColdDrink> well we can note the wiki as we have ideas, yhen sit downto plan, sowe dont forget
 204 <joincamp> yeah
 205 <Joe_CoT> gQuig1: if they say yes, we'll have people to do it. tell them you can demo Ubuntu to them. I can come with if you want.
 206 <gQuig1> I've already demoed it :/
 207 <joincamp> what'd they say?
 208 <Joe_CoT> oh, ok. do they seem interested?
 209 <gQuig1> the superintendent loved it thought it was the future
 210 <gQuig1> the IT Admin likes vista
 211 <joincamp> thats good
 212 <joincamp> thats not
 213 <FrostyColdDrink> ha
 214 <gQuig1> the IT Administrator has reviewed openoffice and found compatibility problems....
 215 <Joe_CoT> strange, france didn't
 216 <FrostyColdDrink> of course...
 217 <gQuig1> ah.. IT Admin /= to IT Adminstrator,
 218 <gQuig1> 2 people
 219 <gQuig1> IT Admin = Sysadmin
 220 <Joe_CoT> what i'd suggest is telling them we could do it on only a few PCs initially, so they can try it out and see how well it works for them.
 221 <gQuig1> I think fiesty is worth another demo though
 222 <Joe_CoT> besides them, what about schools that don't bleed money? their IT departments might be a bit more willing
 223 <FrostyColdDrink> politics is the problem. youve got to be insidious and gurilla like
 224 <gQuig1> Cherry hill, but they won't return my emails
 225 <gQuig1> I'm gonna start writing the email
 226 <FrostyColdDrink> write them and fax them
 227 <FrostyColdDrink> it will get more attention
 228 <Joe_CoT> gQuig: we might want to just consider making an appointment with someone high up at west or east to demo
 229 <Joe_CoT> phone works a lot better than email. I can put west/east on the list of people i need to call this week
 230 <gQuig1> that would prolli work much better
 231 <gQuig1> thanks
 232 <Joe_CoT> ok, i'll give them a call tuesday sometime to see if they're interested. I can meet with them as early as friday. when are you around?
 233 <gQuig1> i start working fulltime monday morning :/
 234 <Joe_CoT> ah, lol
 235 <joincamp> co-op?
 236 <gQuig1> yup
 237 <joincamp> where?
 238 <gQuig1> PJM Interconnection
 239 <Joe_CoT> yeah, i'm completely off on fridays, so I'll see what I can arrange with them
 240 <joincamp> cool
 241 <Joe_CoT> okay, i think i'm gonna get back to work :) I'll post meeting notes raw now, and summarize it later. It'll probably be more productive to move installfest/tcf/lan discussion to the mailing list
 242 <FrostyColdDrink> yeah probably :)
 243 <RickHahn13> yeah i need my beauty sleep
 244 <FrostyColdDrink> make sure you get everyone to briainstorm on teh wiki though :)
 245 <RickHahn13> sorry i havnt had much to contribute i am just a n00b
 246 <joincamp> night
 247 <gQuig1> night
 248 <FrostyColdDrink> night
 249 <RickHahn13> g'nite all
 250 <Joe_CoT> i'm going to post a signup list for tcf on the wiki. if you know you can make it, put your name on the list on that day, and then i'll get vendor badges when i have numbers