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(07:59:02) El tema de #ubuntu-meeting es: Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Apr 11:00 UTC: Community Council | 03 Apr 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 20:00 UTC: Technical Board(08:05:50) juliux ha salido de la sala (quit: "Verlassend").
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(08:29:28) loudmouthman: @schedule London
(08:29:31) ubotu: Schedule for Europe/London: 03 Apr 12:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 16:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 19:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 13:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 17:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 21:00: Technical Board
(08:38:05) xerxas [n=xerxas@mey38-2-82-228-181-53.fbx.proxad.net] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:38:38) xerxas: Hi all
(08:39:07) Hobbsee: @schedule sydney
(08:39:08) ubotu: Schedule for Australia/Sydney: 03 Apr 21:00: Community Council | 04 Apr 01:00: Kernel Team | 04 Apr 04:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 22:00: Edubuntu | 06 Apr 02:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 11 Apr 06:00: Technical Board
(08:39:53) xerxas: @schedule paris
(08:39:54) ubotu: Schedule for Europe/Paris: 03 Apr 13:00: Community Council | 03 Apr 17:00: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 20:00: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 14:00: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 22:00: Technical Board
(08:40:48) iGama: Hy
(08:42:34) ubotu ha cambiado el tema a: Current meeting: Community Council | Calendar: http://fridge.ubuntu.com/event | Logs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/ | 03 Apr 15:00 UTC: Kernel Team | 03 Apr 18:00 UTC: Mozilla Team | 04 Apr 12:00 UTC: Edubuntu | 05 Apr 16:00 UTC: Ubuntu Development Team | 10 Apr 20:00 UTC: Technical Board
(08:45:52) war_: hello
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(08:46:55) Seveas [n=seveas@ubuntu/member/seveas] ha entrado en la sala.
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(08:50:13) AndrewB: Hey all.
(08:50:20) elmo [n=james@83-216-156-21.jamest747.adsl.metronet.co.uk] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:50:33) Hobbsee: hi elmo
(08:50:37) elmo: hi
(08:50:54) iGama: xerxas,
(08:50:56) iGama: good luck :)
(08:50:58) lotusleaf: @now
(08:50:58) ubotu: Current time in Etc/UTC: April 03 2007, 10:59:21 - Current meeting: Community Council
(08:51:01) cjwatson: morning
(08:51:08) xerxas: iGama: thanks :)
(08:51:17) iGama: im also a candidate
(08:51:18) LoudMouthMan [n=nik@ubuntu/member/loudmouthman] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:51:19) xerxas: the thing is I'm supposed to go eat :)
(08:51:20) iGama: :)
(08:51:24) iGama: lol
(08:51:25) xerxas: iGama: good luck to you then :)
(08:51:26) AndrewB: hey LoudMouthMan
(08:51:31) LoudMouthMan: Hello
(08:51:32) iGama: im hungry also :S
(08:51:37) ***cjwatson idly notes that https://launchpad.net/~ubuntumembers/+polls is still empty
(08:52:03) xerxas: cjwatson: so vote for us :)
(08:52:08) dennda [n=dennda@ubuntu/member/dennda] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:52:10) elmo: I've SMSed sabdfl
(08:52:11) Seveas: cjwatson, I heard rumours of LP voting not being able to do what sabdfl wants
(08:52:20) AlexC [n=xander@dragnet2034196113.dragnet.com.au] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:52:29) AlexC: AndrewB is so helpful
(08:52:33) AlexC ha salido de la sala ("food").
(08:52:34) xerxas: can I go eat ?
(08:52:37) dinda [n=dinda@cpe-72-181-81-32.houston.res.rr.com] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:52:48) xerxas: can you guys discuss your status before me ?
(08:52:48) Seveas: xerxas, sure
(08:52:53) xerxas: ok
(08:53:12) xerxas: I'll be back in half an hour probably
(08:53:17) xerxas: thanks
(08:53:18) Seveas: xerxas, please poke me in pm when you're back
(08:53:21) SWAT: xerxas, enjoy your food ;)
(08:53:28) xerxas: seves: np
(08:53:31) iGama: xerxas, get me some :p
(08:53:34) xerxas: swat thanks :)
(08:53:38) xerxas: iGama: np :)
(08:53:39) iGama: a cookie is ok for me :)
(08:53:45) biberao [n=bz@a213-22-134-139.cpe.netcabo.pt] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:53:48) blackskad [n=blackska@d54C4A53D.access.telenet.be] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:53:50) biberao: hiya
(08:54:04) AndrewB: hey biberao
(08:54:29) iGama: Good luck to all Ubuntu Member Candidates :)
(08:54:40) MikeB- [n=dbasinge@ubuntu/member/MikeB-] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:54:51) iGama: And locoteams :)
(08:55:08) Constantino [n=falco@a83-132-10-29.cpe.netcabo.pt] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:55:13) jsgotangco: good luck! we'll just have to wait for the key people to arrive
(08:55:20) elmo: sabdfl sends his apologies, but he has no intarweb so he can't make it
(08:55:42) Seveas: elmo, and mako? He said this time was OK for him
(08:55:43) Hobbsee: bah. surely he can find some other medium which will let him attend.
(08:56:01) Seveas: Hobbsee, ip-over-brainwaves is not implemented yet :)
(08:56:20) Hobbsee: Seveas: THEN GET CODING. kthnksbye!
(08:56:31) spyro_boy [i=spyroboy@tuxhacker/spyroboy] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:56:34) SWAT: I thought the new Nokia N800 or something had a terminal + ssh built in (irrsi + screen on a server somewhere)
(08:56:35) Seveas: Hobbsee, specs for brainwaves are proprietary :p
(08:56:47) Hobbsee: Seveas: reverse engineer them then.
(08:56:58) spyro_boy: hah
(08:56:59) YokoZar: Hobbsee: How about communing via smoke signals?
(08:57:14) Hobbsee: YokoZar: if you like...go ahead
(08:57:15) jsgotangco: SWAT: last time I saw sabdfl, he was still using a Treo650
(08:57:16) elmo: sorry phone, bbias
(08:57:21) jsgotangco: :)
(08:57:43) iGama: i have to meet sabdfl one day :)
(08:57:53) AlexC [n=xander@dragnet2034196113.dragnet.com.au] ha entrado en la sala.
(08:58:02) AlexC: so very helpful
(08:58:05) Seveas: iGama, sevilla, españa, 5-11 may. Good opportunity :)
(08:58:13) SWAT: iGama, it's on my big 'todo' list
(08:58:14) iGama: not good time for me :s
(08:58:35) iGama: Seveas, im going to start organizing a Linux Conference in Portugal
(08:58:36) AlexC ha salido de la sala ("food").
(08:58:42) elmo: Seveas: I haven't heard from him sorry - I can ring him, if you like
(08:58:50) iGama: and maybe invite the Ubuntu Community
(08:58:55) Seveas: elmo, please do so, otherwise we have no quorum
(08:58:59) SWAT: jsgotangco, still no terminal+ssh for that thing yet? (looks nice though)
(08:59:55) Karirresmo [n=bolos@gw-lasige.di.fc.ul.pt] ha entrado en la sala.
(09:00:12) licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] ha entrado en la sala.
(09:00:17) iGama: licio, *
(09:00:18) iGama: :)
(09:00:21) Karirresmo: hello
(09:00:29) iGama: tudo bem licio ?
(09:02:49) elmo: mako's on his way
(09:02:57) mc44 ha salido de la sala (quit: "Exit, Pursued by a Bear").
(09:03:13) Seveas: great
(09:04:02) Constantino: iGama: []
(09:04:09) iGama: []
(09:04:36) Karirresmo: iGama fofa *
(09:04:39) Kmos: iGama: good luck
(09:04:43) SWAT: elmo, do you have an eta? (so I know if I can leave my desk without missing anything)
(09:04:44) Kmos: +1 for you :)
(09:04:52) iGama: ;)
(09:05:03) iGama: thanks ppl , but still have to wait :)
(09:05:27) MikeB-: question before the meeting, what is the best way to request a change in launchpad?
(09:05:45) Seveas: MikeB-, file a bug
(09:05:52) AndrewB: I would assume the best way is file a bug or #launchpad
(09:05:54) MikeB-: I was wondering if forums usernames could be added to peoples Launchpad profiles
(09:05:55) mc44 [n=mc44@unaffiliated/mc44] ha entrado en la sala.
(09:06:18) MikeB-: Seveas: cool did that:)
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(09:07:21) mako [n=mako@bork.hampshire.edu] ha entrado en la sala.
(09:07:47) Seveas: mako! :)
(09:07:50) jsgotangco: cheers mako
(09:07:54) mako: apologies for being late, i left my phone vibrate and missed my alarm
(09:07:55) rpereira [n=rpereira@ubuntu/member/rpereira] ha entrado en la sala.
(09:08:11) mako: elmo: thanks for the call
(09:08:13) Seveas: elmo, cjwatson: prod, we can start
(09:08:16) SWAT: mako, you're now, that's what counts :)
(09:08:21) Seveas: mjg59, ping, you're first on the agenda
(09:08:25) mjg59: Hi
(09:08:36) mjg59: Ok. Want me to do a brief introduction?
(09:09:40) Seveas: I'm wondering why you wanted to write this up *now*, has there been a particular incident?
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(09:09:59) biberao: back
(09:10:11) mjg59: Seveas: There has, but I don't think the specifics of a particular incident are especially relevant right now
(09:10:19) Seveas: ok
(09:10:32) mjg59: In the absence of good guidelines, it's harder to judge people's behaviour
(09:11:05) mjg59: Effectively, the problem that I think needs dealing with is that it's entirely unclear what should happen if somebody believes that the CoC has been violated
(09:12:09) mako: mjg59: so i've appreciated your recent writing on coc related issues
(09:12:40) mjg59: So if a complaint is made, there's the potential for argument over whether or not it was a violation to take place in the same forum as the original complaint
(09:12:43) mako: and i think that a policy for what should happen would be a good idea
(09:13:05) mjg59: Which can then give the impression that the complaint isn't taken seriously, and could exacerbate any original offence
(09:13:21) cjwatson: various people made comments on your wiki page; I liked the note explicitly saying that discussions of CoC violations shouldn't happen in the same forum
(09:14:12) Seveas: should these happen in public at all?
(09:14:23) cjwatson: they do tend to escalate rather
(09:14:33) mako: Seveas: ideally, i think so
(09:14:35) Daviey [n=Daviey@unaffiliated/daviey] ha entrado en la sala.
(09:14:36) cjwatson: there needs to be opportunity for right-of-reply and feedback
(09:14:43) cjwatson: but blogwars or whatever don't really help
(09:15:19) mjg59: From my point of view, the risk of making the original complaint via some back-channel is that there's no awareness amongst other members of the list/forum/channel/whatever that there's an issue until it's already been dealt with
(09:15:23) mako: mjg59: so my major thought, which isn't really a reply on its own, was that that i was curious about how the forums folks handle this
(09:15:31) mako: mjg59: and i have a rough idea of how it happens
(09:15:40) cjwatson: mjg59: complaint via back-channel plus note on list saying that it's been escalated
(09:15:42) mako: because they have this problem probably several times a ewek
(09:15:56) MikeB-: we have an infraction system
(09:16:38) jsgotangco: part of the forum engine of sorts?
(09:16:47) dinda: but mailing list and Loco Teams and IRC don't have any back channels as of yet
(09:16:55) MikeB-: if a violation of the CoC or forums CoC happen we issue an infraction and send a PM
(09:16:59) mc44: mako, as does irc
(09:17:14) mjg59: I certainly agree that any further conversation of the issue shouldn't take place in the same forum, but I'm less sold on the idea that the initial complaint shouldn't be
(09:17:37) mako: mjg59: i think i agree
(09:17:41) Seveas: (mc44, the irc complaint/escalation system is not quite finalized/written down yet, pending discussions at UDS Seville)
(09:17:50) MikeB-: we give the person a chance to explain.
(09:17:54) mjg59: I think it ought to be possible for someone to express unhappiness and the original poster to apologise without actually invoking any sort of formal procedure
(09:18:38) mako: mjg59: i think that public discussion about the cc and sugestoins that certain behavior might be unacceptable help communicate social norms to the larger community
(09:18:44) mako: coc even
(09:19:23) mjg59: Right, that was my point of view
(09:19:37) cjwatson: mjg59: mm
(09:20:08) cjwatson: also reducing the need for escalation is a good thing
(09:21:46) MikeB-: an infraction system of sorts could be added to launchpad, everyone should be allowed one bad judgement call, it is the repeat offenders yo need to worry about. someway to track them would help
(09:22:07) cjwatson: I don't think we can assume that people on the mailing lists or IRC have launchpad accounts
(09:22:18) cjwatson: or even should assume
(09:22:30) Seveas: we should not
(09:23:12) cjwatson: I think we probably have enough social memory for this kind of thing though - there's less volume here than on the forums
(09:23:32) raphink ha salido de la sala (quit: "Ichthux - Linux for Christians - http://www.ichthux.com").
(09:23:36) MikeB-: cjwatson: good point
(09:24:14) mjg59: My aim with the draft I wrote was to produce a process that's fairly light-weight but achieves three goals: (1) it's possible to short-circuit the entire thing by allowing the original poster to apologise, (2) ensuring that further discussion of the issue doesn't occur where it's likely to cause further offence and (3) ensures that contentious issues can still be handled by an uninvolved set of people (ie, the CC)
(09:24:17) cjwatson: I agree that people should be allowed mistake(s) before being banned, though not before being reprimanded
(09:25:10) cjwatson: mjg59: I think folding in the comments on that draft to make things generally more explicit would be good, but I like the general idea
(09:25:45) mjg59: Ok. There seems to be general approval for something like this - what's the best way to go from here?
(09:26:25) mako: so.. my only concern is with calling it enforcement
(09:26:35) Daviey: I whole heatedly disagree with the principle of people being reprimanded, that IMHO is not the intention of either the CoC or Ubuntu itself. It's a _want_ to adhere - not forced to
(09:26:51) cjwatson: mako: mjg59's draft doesn't
(09:26:52) mako: because we're going to have to make the same judgement call to "enforce" this as we will to "enforce" the cc
(09:27:07) mako: but as a guideline, i think it' sgood
(09:27:18) mako: cjwatson: yes, that' sgood
(09:27:39) cjwatson: Daviey: sadly, unless there's some way to tell people they were wrong, the CoC will deteriorate into meaninglessness
(09:27:41) mjg59: Daviey: If people don't want to adhere to the CoC, then they're not welcome in the Ubuntu community
(09:28:05) cjwatson: Daviey: and people who feel aggrieved by others not adhering to it want to know that their concerns are valid
(09:28:20) mako: Daviey: the *only* thing we require of all members or ubunteros is that they aggree to to the CoC
(09:28:42) Daviey: mjg59, i don't know where that conclusion has been made. The CoC is something for people to thing hard about, and sign if the wish. (I have).
(09:28:55) cjwatson: Daviey: it was right at the foundation of Ubuntu
(09:29:21) mako: Daviey: it was one of the first two or three documents we wrote for the website
(09:29:28) mjg59: Daviey: The aim of the CoC was to ensure that there was a common base-line of accepted behaviour for the entire community
(09:29:44) cjwatson: the CoC is not some kind of optional extension
(09:29:57) dinda: My comments were added b/c some folks who originate the issue, i.e. invoke the COC, then walk away but then the issue escalates in their absence, so there needs to be responsibility on both sides
(09:30:00) cjwatson: "you can behave nicely ... if you want"
(09:30:32) SWAT: the coc is like a contract only less legal (there is a reason why you must sign it with your own private gpg key). Why shouldn't someone be held responsible for their actions? You can ofcourse first PM the person in question to tell them to cool off and if that doesn't works, complain.
(09:30:33) Daviey: I am a big pro of the principle of the CoC - it's something that people make a commitment that they want to follow. It is not rules. Unless i have grossly misunderstood
(09:30:46) mc44: Daviey, even if you havent signed it, if you want to participate in ubuntu community forums such as mailing lists, you are expected to abide by it
(09:30:50) mako: Daviey: i suppose you don't have to agree to it, but if you act in a way that users, and leadership through consulation, feels runs rounter to the CoC, you'll be asked to leave
(09:31:07) mako: Daviey: it's not meant to be a stick, if that's what you mean.. and they're inentionally a little vague
(09:31:12) Daviey: (not that it matters, but i have signed it)
(09:31:13) LoudMouthMan: But was its purpose to enable people to set guidelines of expectations on others or themselves ? Im worried that enabling it to be used to judge others is less Ubuntu then enabling it to judge yourself.
(09:31:22) mako: Daviey: but they are guidelines and a set of common ground
(09:31:30) cjwatson: LoudMouthMan: it's so that people understand the common community expectations
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(09:31:55) mako: mjg59: so i like your little enumerated list here
(09:31:55) cjwatson: they were written to ensure that expectations of general decent behaviour were set right from the start
(09:32:09) LoudMouthMan: yes I understood that , i took days to consider what it meant before i signed it i also blogged about it.
(09:32:12) mako: mjg59: i think it was pretty concise. and i think we should add this to a new version of the CoC
(09:32:42) LoudMouthMan: are we discussing the alternative process list ?
(09:32:47) cjwatson: LoudMouthMan: it's not meant for people to wave at each other all the time, no, but when people genuinely aren't being decent to each other then it's appropriate to do something about it
(09:32:59) Fujitsu [n=Fujitsu@ubuntu/member/fujitsu] ha entrado en la sala.
(09:33:12) mako: mgj59: after a broader consulatation with the community i guess.. we need to be careful changing something that most community members have already agreed to
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(09:33:42) cjwatson: mako: I would just put it somewhere on /community on the web site and have an informative reference in the CoC
(09:33:51) cjwatson: I don't think it needs to be in the normative document
(09:33:52) LoudMouthMan: I think the process amendment to me fits better into guideliness for leasership and responsibility.
(09:34:09) cjwatson: LoudMouthMan: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CodeOfConductDisputeResolution - it's not about leadership
(09:34:10) LoudMouthMan: and we do need a greivance procedure somewhere.
(09:34:23) cjwatson: this is such a proposed grievance procedure
(09:35:01) LoudMouthMan: I know i read it . and Iunderstand it . but people goto authority and as such leadership . they rarely resolve it between themselves.
(09:35:08) mako: cjwatson: ok, i don't feel too strongly either way
(09:35:32) mjg59: LoudMouthMan: As I said, I don't like a couple of aspects of the alternate procedure suggestion - firstly that it provides no mechanism for an informal procedure, and secondly the fact that it immediately places both parties on moderation
(09:35:50) cjwatson: LoudMouthMan: I'd much rather people were encouraged to at least try to resolve things between themselves at first. Going to authority all the time gets dysfunctional
(09:35:58) mjg59: Sorry, that should have been "informal resolution" not "informal procedure"
(09:36:22) LoudMouthMan: agreed people should resolve things together.
(09:36:46) mako: who wrote the alternative procedure?
(09:36:55) cjwatson: Mark Harrison
(09:36:56) LoudMouthMan: Mark Harrison .
(09:37:01) mako: yes, i see that
(09:37:04) mako: is mark here?
(09:37:15) LoudMouthMan: no , not that i can see.
(09:38:31) mjg59: The CoC isn't a stick to beat people with, but at the same time failing to ensure that people view it as the standard for acceptable behaviour gives the impression that our community is less welcoming
(09:38:51) ***mako nods
(09:39:28) mako: yes, by bypassing information method sof resolution, it gives up the mechanism by which 90% of prevoius coc "issues" have been resolved
(09:39:37) mjg59: And it needs to be easy for people to express that they feel a specific action is against the CoC without feeling that by doing so they're tying themselves into a long and drawn out formal procedure
(09:39:38) mako: i think with great effect in the larger community
(09:40:31) cjwatson: mako: s/information/informal/?
(09:40:52) mjg59: I'll admit that a malicious person could use something like the suggested process to stifle discussion, but I'd also be surprised if anyone tried to
(09:41:11) war_: I am sorry to interfere, but why don't you just adopt a standard legal mediation procedure.
(09:41:13) war_: The two parties assign a referee of their choice and these referees elect a third person to complete the judgement team. The team listens to both sides and takes a final judgement. Both quarreling parties accept the findings.
(09:41:18) mako: cjwatson: yes
(09:41:23) ***LoudMouthMan wouldnt be the more we set fences the more we can find for people to sit on them.
(09:41:32) mako: mjg59: someone probably will try to at some point
(09:41:51) mjg59: mako: Hm. Perhaps I have too much faith in people.
(09:42:01) Angeltronix [n=chatzill@102-117-62-200.enitel.net.ni] ha entrado en la sala.
(09:42:10) mako: mjg59: well, we're a big community :)
(09:42:38) mako: but it won't happen often and that doesn't mean we don't come out on top with the policy anyway
(09:43:05) mjg59: Abuse of the CoC weakens it, so it should be seen as equally unacceptable within the community
(09:44:05) cjwatson: war_: the main difference I see there is that it allows things to be delegated below the community council, which is probably a good thing. I'm not sure that referee nomination would be practical in our environment though
(09:44:12) mako: mjg59: yes, that's right
(09:44:27) cjwatson: maybe amend mjg59's draft to say "the community council or another appropriate body"?
(09:44:30) cjwatson: mjg59: ^--
(09:44:45) mjg59: So how about I tidy up the proposal a bit, incorporate the suggestions that have been made and then run it past the CC mailing list?
(09:45:13) Seveas: sounds like a plan
(09:45:24) cjwatson: yep
(09:45:34) mjg59: Ok. I'll do that, then.
(09:45:36) mjg59: Thanks!
(09:45:38) mako: mjg59: i'll work on it a little bit
(09:46:42) Seveas: ok, so we can move on in the agenda?
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(09:47:03) mjg59: Yes, I think I'm done
(09:47:19) Seveas: ok, war_ you're up (AustrianTeam)
(09:47:29) Seveas: please introduce the team to us :)
(09:47:42) war_: cjwatson: This procedure works well in a number of legal systems all over the world. It works crossing boundaries, language barriers and even technological barriers (and even over time).
(09:47:43) war_: I followed the discussion and I see all the arguments I have heard otherwise.
(09:47:44) war_: All the parties have to agree apon is a referee of their choice. The rest is settled by their trusted representatives.
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(09:48:12) cjwatson: war_: perhaps you could comment on the wiki page above, then
(09:49:20) MikeB-: war_: a mediator could be required in some cases, but we should let the community work out the problem and hopefully be adults:)
(09:49:53) war_: cjwatson: I will put my thoughts on the wiki
(09:49:54) ***mako nods
(09:49:54) war_: Seveas: Thanks for the opportunity to represent Austria Team
(09:50:28) war_: I'm not that fast as most of yo
(09:51:03) war_: Marion and myself represent the Austria Ubuntu Community
(09:51:22) war_: Initially founded by Marion the team has formed in mid 2006
(09:51:46) war_: I joined later
(09:52:24) war_: Austria is geographically centered around Vienna (capital)
(09:52:25) war_: There are 1/4 of the population in this area
(09:53:00) war_: We have a small but active community here
(09:53:29) war_: We operate a web portal, meet every other week and maintain strong communication in our web forum
(09:54:08) war_: There are strong connections to official agencies interested in Open Source
(09:54:43) war_: As we have reached a critical mass in Vienna, we decided to apply for official recognition as a LoCo Team
(09:54:49) ***Seveas brb
(09:55:02) AndrewB: war_: the fora certinally looks active.
(09:55:10) war_: thanks
(09:55:27) jsgotangco: what's the url of the web portal?
(09:55:33) AndrewB: http://www.ubuntu-austria.at/
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(09:55:37) war_: we have 275 registered members
(09:55:49) war_: http://www.ubuntu-austria.at
(09:56:26) mako: wow, that looks great
(09:56:55) war_: One thing I forgot, we offer regular training sessions to kick start people into using Ubuntu
(09:57:04) mako: what do those look like?
(09:57:10) war_: (well, Marion does, shes the one to take credit)
(09:57:39) war_: mako: The seminars? We have a photo session on the board
(09:57:58) war_: 5 - 10 people, bring their computers or work on presentation machines
(09:58:08) jsgotangco: the portal is awesome
(09:58:16) war_: set up ubuntu, start some apps, see how easy it is
(09:58:22) war_: hoefully switch
(09:58:22) iGama: war_, nice
(09:58:45) war_: Again: Credit to Marion, she is the one
(09:59:07) war_: I just type (and slowly as I see)
(09:59:20) mako: war_: how long have you been involved?
(09:59:57) war_: mako: Involved into what?
(09:59:59) war_: IT: 35 years
(09:59:59) AndrewB: http://www.ubuntu-austria.at/album_pic.php?pic_id=31 Doesn't look like things are going too well ;)
(10:00:01) war_: Windows: > 10
(10:00:02) war_: Ubuntu: 6 months
(10:00:20) marion: hello, I am also here, but write very slowly in english
(10:00:31) war_: Thats excitement: ;-)
(10:01:04) war_: After a c:> format c:
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(10:01:12) AndrewB: heh
(10:01:16) iGama: Susana, *
(10:01:44) mako: war_: i meant ubuntu
(10:01:58) marion: I get very animated when i explain people about ubuntu :)
(10:02:15) mako: marion: me too :)
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(10:02:46) war_: mako: I had a bit of Unix knowhow previously but basically I am an MS guy
(10:02:48) war_: I tried Ubuntu in summer 2006. Got interested
(10:03:04) popey [n=alan@ubuntu/member/popey] ha entrado en la sala.
(10:03:07) war_: led me to switch end of 2006
(10:03:17) jsgotangco: ubuntu and a pack of smokes that's all you need to be productive indeed
(10:03:28) war_: I dont smoke
(10:03:38) war_: I dont drink
(10:03:41) marion: i do!
(10:03:46) iGama: LoL
(10:03:49) ***jsgotangco saw the pack on the pic
(10:04:38) mako: well i think the work here is great
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(10:04:43) mako: i'm happy welcome your team to the fold
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(10:04:59) mako: please keep up the great work
(10:05:10) war_: Thanks and thanks for the warm welcome
(10:05:21) AndrewB: :)
(10:05:26) marion: thanks for the praise, we#ll definitely keep up the good work and are very excited!
(10:05:27) elmo: +1 from me too
(10:05:37) Seveas: cjwatson, ?
(10:05:39) mako: is someone from ni here?
(10:05:49) leogg: mako: over here
(10:05:54) peperoni: yes we are!
(10:06:01) mako: we're running late, please go ahead
(10:06:03) Angeltronix: me too!
(10:06:10) leogg: Greetings, and thank you all for allowing us to take a few minutes of your time today. My name is Leandro Gómez and I want to introduce you to the Nicaraguan LoCo Team (aka Ubuntu-ni). Our wiki entry is in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NicaraguanTeam (in Spanish) and our application can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NicaraguanTeam/ApprovalApplication
(10:06:11) mako: i'll need to leave in 45m to get to another meeting
(10:06:31) leogg: The Nicaraguan LoCo Team is commited to promote the use of free and open source software in Nicaragua. Our membership at last count were 42 members, althought not everybody are suscribed to Launchpad or listed in the main wiki. Ubuntu-ni is an active member of the REDSLCAN, a local network of Nicaraguan LUGs and FLOSS advocates, and we attend to meetings and collaborate with the different LUGs on a regular basis.
(10:06:32) Seveas: then let's hurry :)
(10:06:49) cjwatson: Seveas: (no problem from me)
(10:06:50) leogg: What we do in Ubuntu-ni: 1) Advocacy: Ubuntu related seminars across the country, 2) Documentation: translations and compilation of HOWTOs, guides and tutorials in Spanish, 3) Support: we provide community support in our mailing list, IRC channel and on several Nicaraguan tech-boards on the web. 4) Local production and distribution of Ubuntu CDs
(10:07:17) leogg: 5) Installfests, the Nicaraguan LoCo Team is the official organizer of the Latin American InstallFest (FLISOL) in Nicaragua. We are going to have +12 conferences and distribute 300 Ubuntu CDs, the whole event is going to be streamed live on the Internet and covered by local media (TV, radio and newspapers). This particular event has raised a huge amount of interest among the population and one of the major national newspapers has offered us to sponsor the event with free ads, both in their printed edition as in the electronic version.
(10:07:17) mako: leogg: you produce/distribute cds locally?
mako marion
(10:07:33) leogg: mako: yes
(10:07:50) leogg: 6) Localization, we are working hard on a local distribution of Ubuntu, one of the highlights for future releases is the translation of Ubuntu to Miskito, a language spoken by ~200K people in northeastern Nicaragua and southern Honduras. With this, Ubuntu will become the first OS on that language.
(10:08:13) leogg: 7) We are organizing local user groups in the major universities and in several cities across the country. The idea of the local groups is being close to the end user and make a bigger impact on a local level. One of our local groups in the University of Managua has been officialy recognised by the authorities of the university and valuable resources, such as full access to a computer lab and unrestricted Internet access on campus has been granted for the team.
(10:08:38) leogg: We also have our Classroom Project that is aimed towards capacity building within our organisation. Our goal is to increase the level of participation and contributions of our members to the community. Another cool project we are going to start next month is the School Mentor Program, where every member of Ubuntu-ni is going to "adopt" an elementary schoool in order to teach Linux there for free.
(10:08:42) Seveas: yay for localization :)
(10:08:53) leogg: Future plans include collaboration and mentoring other teams in the area in order to make Central America an Ubuntu stronghold.
(10:09:05) leogg: And with this I conclude our presentation. If you have any questions I'll be glad to answer them. Thank you.
(10:09:37) elkbuntu: wow.. you guys sound busy
(10:09:39) ***Seveas is impressed with the activity
(10:09:46) Seveas: good job folks!
(10:09:54) leogg: elkbuntu: yes, wish the day had more than 24 hours
sacater schwuk ScottK Seeker` Seveas sfllaw shawarma sid Simira siretart sky_walkie sladen slomo smurf Sp4rKy spyro_boy stgraber Susana SWAT synacktion
(10:10:01) Seveas: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NicaraguanTeam?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=NicaraguaTerritorioUbuntu-small.png is nice
(10:10:03) leogg: Seveas: thanks
(10:10:32) iGama: nice work leogg
(10:10:45) leogg: iGama: thank you, I have a great team
(10:11:14) iGama: thats important :)
(10:11:35) leogg: iGama: yes, our members are very active and passionate about this
(10:11:50) Angeltronix: that's right
(10:12:41) elmo: leogg: your 7th point was cut off at 'on campus has bee'
(10:12:48) mako: yes, the map is cute
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(10:13:11) leogg: elmo: One of our local groups in the University of Managua has been officialy recognised by the authorities of the university and valuable resources, such as full access to a computer lab and unrestricted Internet access on campus has been granted for the team.
(10:13:20) leogg: mako: thank you
(10:14:01) leogg: Angeltronix here is the coordinator of the University of Managua
(10:14:02) elmo: leogg: cool, thanks - all looks very impressive
(10:14:08) mako: leogg: so you send out hte cds personally?
(10:14:10) leogg: he has done a great job over there
(10:14:21) Angeltronix: yeah, I'm coordinating the group of The University of Managua
(10:14:33) xerxas ahora se llama xerxas-
(10:14:44) leogg: mako: yes, we ask everybodu who is interested to donate a blank cd to keep the ball rolling ;)
(10:14:53) mako: the wiki pages looks completely awesome, by the way :)
(10:15:06) peperoni: and i'm from de National University of engineering
(10:15:10) leogg: mako: thank you, the whole collaborated on the wiki
(10:15:19) AndrewB: The wikipage is amazing.
(10:15:26) leogg: AndrewB: thanks
(10:15:47) Angeltronix: well, the design was made by leogg...
(10:15:49) AndrewB: The header graphic accross the top is a very nice addition. Maybe other LoCo groups should follow :D
(10:16:03) Angeltronix: he made a great work!
(10:16:33) leogg: AndrewB: it's a volcano located on an island here, we're are known to be the land of "lakes and volcanoes"
(10:16:50) AndrewB: leogg: sounds slightly dangerous ;)
(10:17:07) leogg: AndrewB: yes, it is indeed... but one gets used to it
(10:17:20) mako: leogg: how many cds have you sent?
(10:17:42) leogg: mako: this year slightly over 100
(10:17:47) mako: leogg: i'm just trying to get a sense of whether this is something you might want to help document for other teams to replicate
(10:17:52) mako: that's cool
(10:17:53) leogg: on flisol we hope to distribute about 300
(10:18:09) leogg: mako: will be happy to do
(10:18:14) mako: are you at all involved with the larger loco community?
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(10:18:35) mako: you seem to be doing a few things that most other locos are not, it seemed like a litle documentation and work might be able to spread the ieas to others
(10:18:48) leogg: mako: we have been communicating with other locos, yes
(10:18:52) mako: great :)
(10:19:16) mako: well i encourage you to do more of that, and to keep up the work
(10:19:19) leogg: mako: of course, i'll be glad to help out
(10:19:23) mako: +1 from me! welcome
(10:19:25) leogg: mako: thank you
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(10:19:49) Angeltronix: thanks mako
(10:19:57) peperoni: thanks!
(10:20:56) Seveas: good
(10:21:05) finalbeta ha salido de la sala (quit: "Space invaders are smoking grass. Save the planet, kill yourself.").
(10:21:05) Seveas: let's move on to member candidates then
(10:21:19) Seveas: AndrewB, you're first
(10:21:26) AndrewB: Hey guys!
(10:21:36) AndrewB: <paste>
(10:21:39) AndrewB: I am Andrew Alexander Barber, a Scottish GNU/Linux user for many years. I started contributing to the Ubuntu community after I found the very easy Rosetta translation 'tool', which was real useful as it is accessible from many locations and I tend to travel a lot. I started looking around the Ubuntu wiki and at launchpad to find all the different things that is being done within the community. I started making some documenta
(10:21:46) AndrewB: Really I am echo'ing my wiki, which you guys can check out http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AndrewBarber
(10:21:49) AndrewB: </paste>
(10:21:52) AndrewB: ;)
(10:22:10) Seveas: ScotsBuntu....
(10:22:19) mako: AndrewB: what languages were you translating into?
(10:22:20) Seveas: kinda scary ;)
(10:22:37) AndrewB: mako: currently only Scots as said on my wiki I am learning Gealic and hope to help out soon.
(10:22:51) AndrewB: Seveas: could be if you go under them kilts.
(10:23:09) mako: AndrewB: cool!
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