20120418

Meeting started by balloons at 15:01:50 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-testing/2012/ubuntu-testing.2012-04-18-15.01.log.html .

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  • Previous Actions
  • Ubuntu Updates

LINK: http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/04/would-you-adopt-iso.html (balloons, 15:06:48)

  • Ubuntu Flavor Updates
  • Other topics

LINK: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/982485 (balloons, 15:26:01)

Meeting ended at 15:35:40 UTC.

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  • balloons (71)
  • phillw (20)
  • astraljava (14)
  • Effenberg0x0 (13)
  • roignac (6)
  • meetingology (3)

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  • 15:01:50 <balloons> #startmeeting ubuntu qa community meeting

    15:01:50 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Apr 18 15:01:50 2012 UTC. The chair is balloons. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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    15:01:53 <phillw> indeed it is

    15:02:33 <balloons> ok, so I'll try and go quick, but there's stuff to chat about

    15:03:39 <balloons> [TOPIC] Previous Actions

    15:04:01 <balloons> we don't have any Smile :-) awesome

    15:04:07 <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Updates

    15:04:43 <balloons> jibel, hggdh care to enlight us a bit?

    15:06:03 <balloons> guess there not around.

    15:06:09 <balloons> well, lots of testing is going on this week

    15:06:47 <balloons> and if anyone hasn't yet seen, we've put out a call to the greater community to help strengthen the iso testing

    15:06:48 <balloons> http://www.theorangenotebook.com/2012/04/would-you-adopt-iso.html

    15:07:30 <balloons> so far the feedback has been large, lots of first timers experiencing iso testing. We have good coverage on the ubuntu iso's now, and for the flavor teams, I have directed people at testing several of those images as well

    15:07:48 <balloons> be forewarned if you meet or find some new folks testing your images Smile :-)

    15:08:10 <phillw> balloons: we've already got a new one Smile :)

    15:08:10 <balloons> Questions/comments?

    15:08:18 <roignac> balloons: I suppose, we should concentrate to find people who would test lubuntu and other less popular distros

    15:08:35 <roignac> on less popular configurations such as arm or powerpc

    15:09:03 <phillw> roignac: the lubuntu ppc testers have been trying to help out on other flavours.

    15:09:08 <balloons> roignac, we actually had someone volunteer to help who had a omap 3430 chip.. I was pleasantly surprised

    15:09:10 <phillw> we have no arm

    15:09:23 <roignac> whoa, that is great

    15:09:46 <balloons> yea.. pretty sweet I thought

    15:09:56 <balloons> he had quite a setup, so I had him go at it

    15:10:41 <roignac> that is a pity, that ubuntu can't run on raspberry pi, as it gained a lot of attention recently =(

    15:11:06 <balloons> yea.. the older versions can.. for instance natty

    15:11:13 <balloons> arm is changing fast

    15:11:20 <balloons> it's coming of age if you will

    15:11:22 <roignac> anyway, that post is great, attention to iso tests is important

    15:11:33 <balloons> [TOPIC] Ubuntu Flavor Updates

    15:11:43 <balloons> phillw, wanna speak to lubuntu real quick?

    15:12:03 <phillw> yeah, I've tried pinging kanliot

    15:12:35 <phillw> There is one possible bug that applies to very few set-ups for equipment, that will not be fixed for 12.04

    15:12:58 <phillw> the -release tema mentioned it 'may' affect all flavours as it is kernel bug.

    15:13:17 <phillw> bug 966403

    15:13:37 <phillw> There is a work-around

    15:14:09 <phillw> other than that, we're looking good-to-go.

    15:14:49 <balloons> awesome Smile :-)

    15:14:52 <balloons> interesting bug

    15:15:19 <balloons> anyone from xubuntu want to weigh in?

    15:15:55 <astraljava> o/

    15:16:34 <astraljava> but not much to say. I have been very busy lately with real-life issues (I actually kinda hate that expression, but meh...), but I haven't heard of/seen any issues.

    15:16:50 <astraljava> Xubuntu does have an alternate install image, though, so it's likely to hit the same bug.

    15:17:06 <astraljava> But I guess we'll hear more as the RC ISO testing begins.

    15:17:07 <astraljava> ..

    15:17:12 <balloons> I'm surprised it's limited to lubuntu, but I haven't heard of it happening

    15:17:34 <balloons> astraljava, i've had 4 people signup to test xubuntu iso's, fyi

    15:17:37 <phillw> it appears to be very narrow set of kit.

    15:17:55 <balloons> so hopefully we see some good results from them

    15:18:05 <astraljava> balloons: What does that mean, where did they sign up?

    15:18:07 <balloons> how about ubuntu studio astraljava ?

    15:18:17 <balloons> astraljava, they answered the call to 'adopt' an iso...

    15:18:18 <balloons> Smile :-)

    15:18:26 <balloons> and I sent them to task on some xubuntu isos

    15:18:35 <astraljava> Ahh... gotcha, yeah didn't get a chance to look into that at all, yet.

    15:18:44 <balloons> basically the desktop and alt images for 386 and amd64

    15:18:51 <astraljava> I have some pending members for the Testers team.

    15:19:03 <astraljava> I'll go through those tonight.

    15:19:19 <balloons> when this is all done, I will followup with the flavors teams on who tested and direct them your way

    15:19:29 <balloons> but you will also see the results if they do contribute

    15:19:31 <astraljava> But anyway, for Studio, we just recently got the mixer changes through, so testing those initially proved successful.

    15:19:46 <astraljava> Otherwise the same as Xubuntu, except no alternate image, so won't hit that bug.

    15:19:52 <astraljava> ..

    15:19:56 <balloons> thanks astraljava

    15:20:13 <balloons> anyone about for kubuntu?

    15:20:27 <balloons> Riddell?

    15:21:18 <balloons> mmkkk.. edubuntu?

    15:21:52 <balloons> we had some volunteers adopt those edubuntu and kubuntu iso's as well.. hopefully they follow thru and they get extra attention from outside there core QA teams

    15:22:19 <balloons> [TOPIC] Other topics

    15:22:50 <balloons> finally, anything else anyone has to discuss? The RC will be dropping this thursday, release next week and in 3 weeks we'll be at UDS again.. Time is a tickin' past!

    15:23:06 <Effenberg0x0> o/ Can I make a request?

    15:23:15 <balloons> Effenberg0x0, floor is yours

    15:23:26 <Effenberg0x0> Thanks balloons

    15:23:43 <Effenberg0x0> Ok, on Apr. 14, 15, 16, 17 and today we started seeing an unusual number of reports of Compiz/Unity/Name it VGA (GL-relted) problems. People affected by it simply can't use Unity (or anything GL) after upgrades. Suddenly we had 100 posts about it and even had to join threads to avoid mess. Yesterday, NVidia admited that it's latest driver (295.40) was broken can cause problems. For some, however, this is not the only reason. So

    15:23:43 <Effenberg0x0> me people have downgraded to previous NVidia versions and it hasn't solved the problem for them. Looking at the relevant / related updates, we had Nux, Mesa, Unity, other updates in the mentioned period. Bug reports and triaging are focusing on blaiming NVidia and waiting for an update from them. But some are asking: What if it's *not* just NVidia driver? So, this is something I am particularly concerned right now. See #982485

    15:23:44 <Effenberg0x0> and dups (#981737, #982762, #983080, #983171, #984353, probably more).

    15:24:30 <Effenberg0x0> So, the only way to test it is to use NVidia hardware on a fresh / upgraded install and test: Current NVidia drivers and Previous NVidia drivers. And see if GL stuff works on your hardware.

    15:24:45 <Effenberg0x0> If you could ask your teams to test this, I think it's relevant at this point.

    15:25:29 <balloons> Effenberg0x0, grabbing the bug

    15:26:01 <balloons> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/nvidia-graphics-drivers/+bug/982485

    15:26:23 <balloons> ok, so I have the old nvidia driver, and haven't upgraded it all cycle Effenberg0x0

    15:26:31 <balloons> and my system doesn't have any issues

    15:26:39 <balloons> i have a 7300

    15:27:07 <Effenberg0x0> NVidia hasn't released much info and the list of affected hardware. This is a problem for us

    15:27:15 <balloons> I'm on 295.33

    15:27:23 <Effenberg0x0> They just mention (some models in the 7 and 8 series)

    15:28:01 <balloons> How did the bug reporter get the newer driver?

    15:28:11 <Effenberg0x0> If more people could test and post results to these bug reports, it could really help us understand whats going on, affected models, etc

    15:28:28 <Effenberg0x0> And also if it's only NVidia or seomthing else

    15:28:37 <Effenberg0x0> (That's it, sorry for the long text)

    15:28:39 <balloons> anyways.. I'll keep it in mind and contribute my result Smile :-)

    15:28:44 <balloons> thanks Effenberg0x0

    15:29:02 <balloons> hopefully it is just a driver thing, but you are right.. it's easy to blame

    15:29:05 <balloons> anyone else?

    15:29:14 <Effenberg0x0> balloons, new driver 295.40 is on repos since 14th

    15:29:57 <phillw> hmmm... 3 weeks... my final exams :/ - have fun! 15:30:23 * balloons wonders why his system hasn't updated

    15:30:26 <phillw> I'd like to ask for a peer review of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing/TheStages

    15:31:04 <balloons> phillw, I spot some grammar mistakes -- shall I simply edit?

    15:31:10 <phillw> It was 'thrown' together in a hurry as part of https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu/Testing for the late newcommers.

    15:31:33 <phillw> balloons: by all means! It has not got as far as grammar checking yet Smile :)

    15:31:40 <balloons> haha

    15:31:50 <balloons> ok, I will try and give 5 mins to it

    15:31:57 <phillw> now I know where they came from Big Grin :)

    15:32:06 <balloons> anything else phillw?

    15:32:13 <phillw> nope, thansk

    15:32:27 <balloons> k, anyone else?

    15:32:32 <phillw> *thanks

    15:32:45 <balloons> if not, good luck and happy testing to everyone.. This is going to be quite a week..

    15:32:55 <balloons> quickly, do we feel like we want to meet next weds?

    15:33:18 <balloons> I'll post to the ml, but I'm thinking we'll likely want to skip, being so hammered by getting the release out

    15:33:34 <phillw> I think it would be good, to cover any zero day bugs

    15:33:59 <astraljava> Yeah, I think so too. Good to keep track of how testing goes with other flavors etc.

    15:33:59 <balloons> yes, the downside of not meeting it potentially not being able to help each other

    15:34:08 <roignac> balloons: yes, in case of any major bugs

    15:34:12 <balloons> lol.. ok Wink ;-) Idea squashed

    15:34:29 <astraljava> Thanks. Smile :)

    15:34:53 <balloons> so that's it then.. I do apologize -- feel free to beat me up with a ping if you arrive @ the meeting on time and I'm seemingly absent

    15:34:54 <balloons> I don't mind

    15:35:01 <balloons> I need it beat into my head the new time

    15:35:14 <balloons> when your working and get into the zone it's easy to miss..

    15:35:14 <phillw> balloons: this time suits me better Big Grin :)

    15:35:34 <balloons> I'm around, there's no reason for me to miss and not start

    15:35:38 <balloons> that's all folks!

    15:35:40 <balloons> #endmeeting

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