20090809

This is the nth meeting of the UKTeam, starting at 20:13 BST and finishing at 21:41 BST

Attendance

<hrickards> PRESENT
<kn100> present
<TheOpenSourcerer> PRESENT
<AlanBell> PRESENT
<brobostigon> present
<markie-> present
<slarty> PRESENT
<TonyP> present
<DJones> PRESENT
<stevepearce> PRESENT
<Laney> present
<ball> PRESENT, just not sure whether I'm supposed to be ;-)
<Yownanymous> present
<ball> PRESENT
<dutchie> PRESENT

Agenda

Who

What

AlanPope

UKTeam/GlobalJam09 discussion

Josh Holland

Free books for LoCos What to do with them

Alan Bell

Introducing businesses to Ubuntu

Alan Bell

Karmic stuff, KarmicReleaseParties and the like

Alan Bell

Date of next meeting

Minutes

--- Log opened Sun Aug 09 20:13:52 2009
= 2009-08-09:20:13:52-!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with MootBot
= 2009-08-09:20:13:52<MootBot> Meeting started at 14:13. The chair is brobostigon.
= 2009-08-09:20:15:46<MootBot> New Topic:  UKTeam/GlobalJam09 discussion
= 2009-08-09:20:19:24<MootBot> IDEA received:  looking for venues
= 2009-08-09:20:22:10<MootBot> LINK received:  http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces
= 2009-08-09:20:23:11<MootBot> IDEA received:  venues to be surveyed and then reported back on.
= 2009-08-09:20:25:20<MootBot> IDEA received:  video from and to between venues.
= 2009-08-09:20:27:30<MootBot> IDEA received:  use planet and mailing to promote.
= 2009-08-09:20:29:24<MootBot> ACTION received:  Laney promote globaljam09
= 2009-08-09:20:31:26<MootBot> ACTION received:  at next meeting evaluate progress
--- Log closed Sun Aug 09 20:37:01 2009
--- Log opened Sun Aug 09 20:38:58 2009
= 2009-08-09:20:38:58<MootBot> ACTION received:  survey locations and report back at next meeting.
= 2009-08-09:20:39:30<MootBot> New Topic:  Free books for LoCos What to do with them
--- Log closed Sun Aug 09 20:45:01 2009
--- Log opened Sun Aug 09 20:48:08 2009
= 2009-08-09:20:48:08<MootBot> Please vote on:  elaborate scheme for passing them about.
= 2009-08-09:20:50:09<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 4 against. 3 abstained. Total: 1
= 2009-08-09:20:51:11<MootBot> Please vote on:  give them away as prizes in the Ubuntu-uk podcast.
= 2009-08-09:20:52:14<MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 6 against. 1 abstained. Total: -2
= 2009-08-09:20:52:36<MootBot> Please vote on:  raffle them off at a karmic release party.
= 2009-08-09:20:53:40<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 6 against. 1 abstained. Total: -1
= 2009-08-09:20:55:09<MootBot> Please vote on:  keep to use at ubuntu-uk events..
= 2009-08-09:20:56:04<MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 5 against. 3 abstained. Total: -3
= 2009-08-09:20:56:34<MootBot> Please vote on:  no-thanks and not take them.
= 2009-08-09:20:57:08<MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 5 against. 1 abstained. Total: -3
= 2009-08-09:20:57:45<MootBot> Please vote on:  let daviey decide.
= 2009-08-09:20:58:44<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 4 against. 4 abstained. Total: 1
= 2009-08-09:20:59:14<MootBot> Please vote on:  donate to a school or library?.
= 2009-08-09:21:00:14<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 2 against. 3 abstained. Total: 3
= 2009-08-09:21:01:06<MootBot> New Topic:  Introducing businesses to Ubuntu - Alan Bell
= 2009-08-09:21:03:27<MootBot> IDEA received:  running some business focussed seminars showing people what linux/ubuntu can do
= 2009-08-09:21:05:02<MootBot> IDEA received:  Deploy it early and often.
= 2009-08-09:21:10:04<MootBot> IDEA received:   business focussed Karmic launch event
= 2009-08-09:21:11:12<MootBot> New Topic:   business focussed Karmic launch event - alan bell
= 2009-08-09:21:11:35<MootBot> New Topic:  karmic
= 2009-08-09:21:13:30<MootBot> Please vote on:  pie.
= 2009-08-09:21:14:19<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
= 2009-08-09:21:14:37<MootBot> IDEA received:  banbury release party, 30th October 09
= 2009-08-09:21:16:29<MootBot> IDEA received:  help canonical with release party planning.
--- Log closed Sun Aug 09 21:21:16 2009
--- Log opened Sun Aug 09 21:23:17 2009
= 2009-08-09:21:23:17-!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with MootBot
= 2009-08-09:21:23:17<MootBot> IDEA received:  corporate focused release party
= 2009-08-09:21:27:38<MootBot> IDEA received:  talk to canonical about a more business focused event.
= 2009-08-09:21:31:37<MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting date and time.
= 2009-08-09:21:33:14<MootBot> IDEA received:  more frequent meetings.
= 2009-08-09:21:33:36<MootBot> IDEA received:  more regular meetings.
= 2009-08-09:21:34:49<MootBot> IDEA received:  next meeting on a sunday?
= 2009-08-09:21:35:18<MootBot> IDEA received:  next meeting, ask in mailing list and irc channel.
= 2009-08-09:21:37:32<MootBot> IDEA received:  jam specific meeting.
= 2009-08-09:21:37:58<MootBot> Please vote on:  monthly in channel meetings?.
<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
--- Log closed Sun Aug 09 21:39:46 2009
--- Log opened Sun Aug 09 21:41:23 2009
= 2009-08-09:21:41:23-!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with MootBot
= 2009-08-09:21:41:23<MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:41.
= 2009-08-09:21:41:23<MootBot> Logs available at http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/
--- Log closed Sun Aug 09 21:42:33 2009

FULL IRC LOG

<brobostigon> #startmeeting
<MootBot> Meeting started at 14:13. The chair is brobostigon.
<MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
<hrickards> PRESENT
<kn100> present
<TheOpenSourcerer> PRESENT
<AlanBell> PRESENT
<brobostigon> present
<markie-> present
<slarty> PRESENT
<brobostigon> ok, first topic is?
<TonyP> present
<DJones> PRESENT
<stevepearce> PRESENT
<kn100> #
<Laney> present
<matti> What's all about?
<AlanBell> brobostigon: UKTeam/GlobalJam09 discussion https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
<ball> PRESENT, just not sure whether I'm supposed to be ;-)
<Yownanymous> present
<ball> PRESENT
<hrickards> AlanBell: Would popey want to save that for next time though (his names on it on the wiki)
<AlanBell> ball: anyone here and paying attention can say present
<brobostigon> [TOPIC] UKTeam/GlobalJam09 discussion
<MootBot> New Topic: UKTeam/GlobalJam09 discussion
<ball> Thanks AlanBell
<AlanBell> hrickards: lets say what we have to say, if popey wants to add anything later he can
<AlanBell> so the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/GlobalJam09 uk jam has a few people participating
<AlanBell> and this is what it is all about https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGlobalJam
<hrickards> I'll Add myself no (unfortunately with no under in-person)
<dutchie> PRESENT
<AlanBell> by the look of that page we are lacking venues
<ubuntujenkins> present
<AlanBell> does anyone have a suitable venue they can beg borrow or steal?
<brobostigon> [idea] looking for venues
<MootBot> IDEA received: looking for venues
<markie-> The Wales area would be nice.
<dutchie> there's two marked in swansea
<czajkowski> Aloha folks
<matti> czajkowski: Shhy... they have a meeting you see.
<matti> ;]
<hrickards> What about one of these new 'hacker space' venues? They might rent one for free to some Linux geeks.
<TheOpenSourcerer> What do we need for a venue? Room Size, capacity, location etc?
* matti hugs czajkowski
<AlanBell> hrickards: what are they?
<hrickards> AlanBell: See http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/Hackerspaces
<hrickards> AlanBell: That probably explains it better than I can
<dutchie> there are quite a few
<matti> hrickards: Nice!
<dutchie> perhaps someone near to one should check it out and report back?
<dutchie> http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces
<MootBot> LINK received: http://hackerspaces.org/wiki/List_of_Hacker_Spaces
<brobostigon> dutchie: thats a good idea.
<Laney> where would you have an additional one?
<AlanBell> wow, that looks really good, and something worth supporting
<Laney> too much fragmentation would be bad
<brobostigon> [IDEA] venues to be surveyed and then reported back on.
<MootBot> IDEA received: venues to be surveyed and then reported back on.
<dutchie> Laney: video streams are usual
<Laney> streaming to one guy on his own in a room?
<AlanBell> dutchie: streaming between venues?
<dutchie> one guy would be pushing it
<dutchie> 4 or 5 would be about the minimum
<Laney> right
<brobostigon> and outside access to the streams aswell.
<Laney> and we don't have that many people down as attending
<dutchie> AlanBell: we did back in march (or whenever the last one was)
<brobostigon> [IDEA] video from and to between venues.
<MootBot> IDEA received: video from and to between venues.
<jpds> Febuary.
<hrickards> I can probably get some people from GLLUG and SLUG to come (even if only via IRC)
<AlanBell> I don't think the signup sheet for the jam has been sufficiently promoted in ubuntu-uk mailing list and on the planet
<Laney> no there's an action
<Laney> now
<Laney> someone on planet to write a post?
<brobostigon> [idea] use planet and mailing to promote.
<MootBot> IDEA received: use planet and mailing to promote.
<dutchie> I'm on planet ubuntu-uk, but I think planet ubuntu is considerably better read
<Laney> who's on it?
<Laney> besides me...
<AlanBell> well everyone can post about it really
<Laney> sure, everyone can
<Laney> but at least one person should
<Laney> brobostigon: you can action me to
<Josh_> hello
<brobostigon> [action] Laney promote globaljam09
<MootBot> ACTION received: Laney promote globaljam09
* Josh_ is confused
<Laney> imo we shouldn't look to expand unless we have a need to
<dutchie> Josh_: we're having a meeting
<Josh_> oh ok lol
<Josh_> what is the meeting about?
<Laney> so if we have another meeting soon we can evaluate then
<AlanBell> Josh_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeamMeetingAgenda
<brobostigon> Josh_: have a look at the meeting agenda on the uk wiki
<Josh_> erm, ok...
<brobostigon> Laney: yes.
<AlanBell> is there anything particular we want to do in a non-bug way for the jam?
<brobostigon> [action] at next meeting evaluate progress
<MootBot> ACTION received: at next meeting evaluate progress
<dutchie> does anybody have a particular skill/experience in eg translations?
<hrickards> What about giving out the free books for locos at jams?
<Laney> we'll get to that
<Laney> dutchie: we have some motus in here
<Josh_> oh so is this the meeting for free books for LoCos?
<Laney> not sure about triagers, translators or document writers
<Josh_> what exactly does that mean?
<AlanBell> Josh_: that would be the next topic on the agenda
<brobostigon> Josh_: no, we are on the first egenda item.
<Josh_> oh okay
<hrickards> Josh_: So at the mo we're talking about a Bug Jam (see wiki) in October
<AlanBell> I am interested in marketing and other advocacy at the jam
<dutchie> if possible, it would be good to distribute experienced people across locations
<Laney> are there talks? practical sessions?
<AlanBell> dutchie: true, good reason to get people and locations sorted then.
<dutchie> the birmingham one is confirmed, and
<dutchie> Mez is a member
<Josh_> AlanBell: why is it that your name is sometimes yellow?? sorry, random question but i'm curious
<brobostigon> dutchie: i maybe be able to attend that one, if my health is ok.
* dutchie should be able to make it for the w/e
<hrickards> Josh_: Probably when he puts your name at the start of a message like this.
<AlanBell> Josh_: when I talk directly to you it highlights me
<brobostigon> ok, do we need a vote on action?
<Josh_> oh ok
<dutchie> we could do with a location up north
<dutchie> anyone around there?
<AlanBell> brobostigon: don't think we have a proposal that needs a vote
<brobostigon> [action] survey locations and report back at next meeting.
<MootBot> ACTION received: survey locations and report back at next meeting.
<dutchie> ok, next item?
<brobostigon> AlanBell: ok, next topic then?
<AlanBell> sure
<brobostigon> [topic] Free books for LoCos What to do with them
<MootBot> New Topic: Free books for LoCos What to do with them
<dutchie> right, has everyone read Jono's post?
<AlanBell> so this is a pair of books
<AlanBell> suggestion in the post was to share them about
<AlanBell> one is on ubuntu desktop, one on server
<brobostigon> AlanBell: between all the loco's?
<dutchie> no, within UK
<ball> Is there an Ubuntu UK Memorial Library? ;-)
<brobostigon> ah, ok.
<AlanBell> brobostigon: a pair per loco, so UK gets a pair.
<brobostigon> AlanBell: uk and cym, ok.
<Yownanymous> wow, the UK gets 2 books
<Yownanymous> 4 then
<Yownanymous> :P
<dutchie> is u-cym registered?
<AlanBell> and we have to pay for shipping
<brobostigon> dutchie: yes.
<hrickards> What would be the legality of scanning them in and creating an ebook (*without* drm) for ubuntu-uk users?
<dutchie> yes, so 4 in UK
<jpds> cym is not an official LoCo team.
<AlanBell> hrickards: no, this is a promotional gift from the publishers in order to get them more sales
<Yownanymous> Canonical make enough money off, why can't they pay shipping?
<brobostigon> ok, so what happens to said books in each of the loco's?
<dutchie> they have to be claimed by 13th Aug, so Daviey will have to email them before them
<dutchie> brobostigon: that's up to the loco
<brobostigon> dutchie: ok.
<AlanBell> so we could have some elaborate scheme for passing them about
<brobostigon> dutchie: i will get in contact with ianto aswell.
<AlanBell> we could give them away as prizes in the Ubuntu-uk podcast
<dutchie> AlanBell: that was what I wanted to discuss really
<Laney> someone could keep them for events
<AlanBell> we could raffle them off at a karmic release party
<brobostigon> AlanBell: i will get hold of ianto and make plan for ubuntu-cym.
<AlanBell> we could say no-thanks and not take them.
<AlanBell> any other ideas?
<stevepearce> how about donating them to a library?
<ubuntujenkins> something that is free should be had
<hrickards> What about giving them away at the Bug Jam for the person who fixes the most bugs?
<stevepearce> or a school or something similar
<jpds> brobostigon: You can't, as cym is not official.
* dutchie thinks they should be shared around somehow
<brobostigon> jpds: ah, ok, thanks.
<AlanBell> I think a vote is in order, don't want to spend too much time on a pair of books
<ubuntujenkins> +1 for the shared not sure how though
<brobostigon> jpds: i wasnt sure of the status, so thanks for elaborating.
<markie-> stevepearce: +1
<brobostigon> AlanBell: vote on what?
<AlanBell> on what to do with them, not sure how we vote on multiple options?
*** jono_ is now known as jono
<dutchie> we have "donate to library/school", "share around", "give away as prize"
<hrickards> +1 for the vote
<brobostigon> AlanBell: i think we can only vote on a single point at once.
<AlanBell> how about I do a numbered list of options and everyone shouts a number
<hagisbasheruk> 0
<brobostigon> AlanBell: thats not practical.
<brobostigon> voting methos.
<brobostigon> method*
<dutchie> proceed through the ideas until one gets a majority
<brobostigon> ok, first one AlanBell is?
<AlanBell> elaborate scheme for passing them about
<dutchie> +1
<ubuntujenkins> +1
<brobostigon> [vote] elaborate scheme for passing them about
<MootBot> Please vote on: elaborate scheme for passing them about.
<MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot
<MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-uk
<AlanBell> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from AlanBell. 0 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
<dutchie> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from dutchie. 1 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
<TheOpenSourcerer> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from TheOpenSourcerer. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
<ubuntujenkins> +1
<TonyP> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from ubuntujenkins. 3 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
<MootBot> +1 received from TonyP. 4 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
<hrickards> +0
<markie-> -1
<MootBot> Abstention received from hrickards. 4 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
<MootBot> -1 received from markie-. 4 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
<Laney> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from Laney. 4 for, 3 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
<stevepearce> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from stevepearce. 4 for, 4 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
<ball> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from ball. 4 for, 4 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
<Yownanymous> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from Yownanymous. 4 for, 4 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 0
<hrickards> -1
<hrickards> Damn. Can't I change my vote?
<AlanBell> hrickards: vote again, see what happens
<hrickards> AlanBell: Just did. Nothing. Oh well.
<dutchie> someone else vote
<Laney> why?
<hagisbasheruk> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from hagisbasheruk. 5 for, 4 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 1
<dutchie> there, we have a majority
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<AlanBell> next vote will be on "give them away as prizes in the Ubuntu-uk podcast" when all done
<Laney> rofl
<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 4 against. 3 abstained. Total: 1
<matti> LOL
<brobostigon> next one?
* Laney wanders away in a daze
<ball> Oooh... I feel I should abstain, but I really like this option.
<brobostigon> [vote] give them away as prizes in the Ubuntu-uk podcast
<MootBot> Please vote on: give them away as prizes in the Ubuntu-uk podcast.
<MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot
<MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-uk
<hrickards> +1
<AlanBell> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from hrickards. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
<MootBot> +1 received from AlanBell. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
<DJones> +1
<dutchie> -1
<MootBot> +1 received from DJones. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
<MootBot> -1 received from dutchie. 3 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
<ubuntujenkins> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from ubuntujenkins. 3 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
<TheOpenSourcerer> -1
<markie-> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from TheOpenSourcerer. 3 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
<MootBot> -1 received from markie-. 3 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
<stevepearce> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from stevepearce. 3 for, 5 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
<Yownanymous> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from Yownanymous. 4 for, 5 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
<Laney> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from Laney. 4 for, 6 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -2
<jpds> I thought popey said he was thinking about giving them away on the podcast?
<Laney> the power of democracy!
<ball> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from ball. 4 for, 6 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 6 against. 1 abstained. Total: -2
<stevepearce> yes, but do that and the books will end up in the hands of one person
<stevepearce> (maybe)
<brobostigon> [vote] raffle them off at a karmic release party
<MootBot> Please vote on: raffle them off at a karmic release party.
<MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot
<MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-uk
<hrickards> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from hrickards. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
<Yownanymous> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from Yownanymous. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
<dutchie> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from dutchie. 2 for, 1 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
<markie-> -1
<DJones> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from markie-. 2 for, 2 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
<MootBot> -1 received from DJones. 2 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
<stevepearce> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from stevepearce. 3 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
<AlanBell> +1
<TheOpenSourcerer> -1
<MootBot> +1 received from AlanBell. 4 for, 3 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
<ubuntujenkins> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from TheOpenSourcerer. 4 for, 4 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
<MootBot> -1 received from ubuntujenkins. 4 for, 5 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
<Laney> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from Laney. 5 for, 5 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 0
<AlanBell> not very positive are we!
<jpds> Which party?
<TonyP> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from TonyP. 5 for, 6 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now -1
<Laney> tbd
<ball> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from ball. 5 for, 6 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1
<jpds> Laney: London rulez.
<Laney> technically ye
<Laney> s
<hrickards> jono: Quick vote for +1
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<AlanBell> jpds: probably london, but from the count it looks academic anyhow
<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 6 against. 1 abstained. Total: -1
<TheOpenSourcerer> We'd need a vote
<TheOpenSourcerer> :-)
<brobostigon> TheOpenSourcerer: what on?
<hagisbasheruk> -0
<dutchie> it looks like sharing them around then
<AlanBell> dutchie: we are not done yet
<TheOpenSourcerer> Which party but it doesn't matter.
<Laney> hey you ignored my suggestion
* Laney hisses
<hrickards> AlanBell: what else is left?
<DJones> raffling them off is a bad idea, there will be multiple release parties, selecting one to raffle them at would need a vote/discussion and even then they end up in the hands of one person
<brobostigon> Laney: sorry, i must have missed it, what was it.?
<stevepearce> mine also, donating them to a library or school
<Laney> keeping them to use at u-uk events
<dutchie> ok, two more
<markie-> brobostigon: library one
<brobostigon> [vote] keep to use at ubuntu-uk events.
<MootBot> Please vote on: keep to use at ubuntu-uk events..
<MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot
<MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-uk
<hrickards> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from hrickards. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
<ball> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from ball. 0 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
<markie-> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from markie-. 0 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -1
<TheOpenSourcerer> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from TheOpenSourcerer. 0 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -2
<TonyP> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from TonyP. 0 for, 3 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -3
<stevepearce> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from stevepearce. 0 for, 4 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -4
<ubuntujenkins> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from ubuntujenkins. 0 for, 5 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -5
<AlanBell> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from AlanBell. 1 for, 5 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -4
<Laney> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from Laney. 2 for, 5 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now -3
<Laney> :(
<dutchie> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from dutchie. 2 for, 5 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now -3
* Laney has backed a loser
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 5 against. 3 abstained. Total: -3
<AlanBell> remaining options are say no-thanks and not take them
<AlanBell> donating them to a library/school
<brobostigon> ok, anymore ideas on this front?
<TheOpenSourcerer> has anyone actually stated that they "want" the books in the first place?
<brobostigon> [vote] no-thanks and not take them
<MootBot> Please vote on: no-thanks and not take them.
<MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot
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* dutchie -1
<ball> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from ball. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
<dutchie> -1
<ubuntujenkins> -1
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<MootBot> -1 received from ubuntujenkins. 0 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
<AlanBell> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from AlanBell. 1 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -1
<hrickards> -1
<Laney> +1
<markie-> -1
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<MootBot> -1 received from markie-. 1 for, 4 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -3
<MootBot> +1 received from Laney. 2 for, 4 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -2
<stevepearce> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from stevepearce. 2 for, 5 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now -3
<DJones> How about letting Daviey decide the best use of the books as the "leader" of ubuntu-uk
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<MootBot> Final result is 2 for, 5 against. 1 abstained. Total: -3
<dutchie> DJones: if he was here...
<AlanBell> DJones: well the point of this is to have a democratic decision
<TonyP> -1
<TheOpenSourcerer> we could vote on letting Daviey decide.
<TheOpenSourcerer> ;-)
<brobostigon> [vote] let daviey decide
<MootBot> Please vote on: let daviey decide.
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<DJones> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from DJones. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
<TheOpenSourcerer> +1
<stevepearce> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from TheOpenSourcerer. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
<MootBot> +1 received from stevepearce. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
<dutchie> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from dutchie. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
<hrickards> -1
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<markie-> -1
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<AlanBell> +0
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<ubuntujenkins> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from ubuntujenkins. 3 for, 3 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 0
<TonyP> +0
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<ball> +0
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<hagisbasheruk> +1
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<Laney> -1
<MootBot> -1 received from Laney. 4 for, 4 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 0
<jpds> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from jpds. 5 for, 4 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 1
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 4 against. 4 abstained. Total: 1
<markie-> did i miss 'donate to the library'?
<TheOpenSourcerer> lol
<brobostigon> ok, one more,
<AlanBell> markie-: comming right up I think
<brobostigon> [vote] donate to a school or library?
<MootBot> Please vote on: donate to a school or library?.
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<hrickards> +1
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<AlanBell> +1
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<stevepearce> +1
<dutchie> +0
<MootBot> +1 received from stevepearce. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
<ubuntujenkins> what library
<MootBot> Abstention received from dutchie. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
<TheOpenSourcerer> -1
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<DJones> -1
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<markie-> +1
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<Laney> elaborate scheme for passing around every library in the country
<ubuntujenkins> +1
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<TonyP> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from TonyP. 5 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
<ball> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from ball. 5 for, 2 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 3
<Mez> dutchie: member of what?
<dutchie> ubuntu
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<Mez> yup
<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 2 against. 3 abstained. Total: 3
<brobostigon> ok, everyone done, on this one?
<AlanBell> yay, we have a decision
* ball abstains again, just for good measure.
<hrickards> Is there a reason mibbit wont connect to irc.ubuntu.com?
* TheOpenSourcerer thinks more beer is in order.
<jpds> hrickards: Blocked off.
<brobostigon> [topic] Introducing businesses to Ubuntu - Alan Bell
<MootBot> New Topic: Introducing businesses to Ubuntu - Alan Bell
<DJones> hrickards: mibbet is no longer allowed on freenode
<AlanBell> I suggest we let daviey donate them to any library that will accept them
<AlanBell> oh, next topic, good
<stevepearce> aye
<brobostigon> AlanBell: fire away.
<AlanBell> So, I would like to see the loco team doing more stuff to get businesses aware of and interested in Ubuntu
<AlanBell> maybe running some business focussed seminars showing people what it can do
<AlanBell> this is something that we do in our business, mainly promoting what we do on top of Ubuntu, but anything that raises awareness of Free software is good
<brobostigon> [idea] running some business focussed seminars showing people what linux/ubuntu can do
<MootBot> IDEA received: running some business focussed seminars showing people what linux/ubuntu can do
<AlanBell> gosh did I really have an idea?
<ball> I hope to put it on a small file server that I look after. Just need to be confident that my backups are working before I wipe it.
<AlanBell> does anyone else have ideas or suggestions on what we could do for business focussed advocacy?
<AlanBell> this might be an area where money could be found if costs need to be met
<ball> [idea] Deploy it early and often.
<MootBot> IDEA received: Deploy it early and often.
<TheOpenSourcerer> What do you mean ball
<ball> TheOpenSourcerer: Use it successfully somewhere and then document what you've done. Show people that it works and what its advantages are.
<AlanBell> in Dublin there is the OSS bar camp run by czajkowski, could we do something similarish?
<ball> e.g. there's a productivity win in binary packages and automated updates.
<TheOpenSourcerer> OK - so case studies.
* ball nods
<AlanBell> so how do we raise awareness of the case studies we have?
<TheOpenSourcerer> Typical LoCo promotional activities tend to focus on: people who are already FOSS aware to some extent, and individuals.
<ball> ...if the community has helped you set something up, document that too because it supports the value of both the software and the people using it.
<AlanBell> and does anyone have a case study that they want help writing up?
<ball> AlanBell: give me a month or seven ;-)
<brobostigon> ok, so what the plan on this one.
* daubers doesn't arrive late
<AlanBell> how about a business focussed Karmic launch event (creeping over into the next item)
<brobostigon> [idea] business focussed Karmic launch event
<MootBot> IDEA received: business focussed Karmic launch event
<brobostigon> ok, shall we move on?
<AlanBell> ok
<brobostigon> [topic] business focussed Karmic launch event - alan bell
<MootBot> New Topic: business focussed Karmic launch event - alan bell
<AlanBell> err
<brobostigon> [topic] karmic
<MootBot> New Topic: karmic
<AlanBell> much beter
<BobIsNotMyUncle> There should be pie
<AlanBell> so Karmic Koala, open discussion
* dutchie is running it
<stevepearce> same
<dutchie> it only breaks occasionally :)
* AlanBell picked lots of blackberries for a blackberry and apple pie
<ball> [observation] I like pie.
<ubuntujenkins> +1
<BobIsNotMyUncle> +2
<ball> vote?
<ubuntujenkins> yes
<brobostigon> ok, banbury release party, 30th October 09
<brobostigon> [vote] pie
<MootBot> Please vote on: pie.
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<dutchie> +1
<ubuntujenkins> +1
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<ball> +1
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<AlanBell> +1
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<BobIsNotMyUncle> +1
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<TheOpenSourcerer> 0
<TheOpenSourcerer> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from TheOpenSourcerer. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
<dutchie> :o
<TheOpenSourcerer> Depends on what is in the pie
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
<TheOpenSourcerer> This is going downhill rapidly.
<brobostigon> [idea] banbury release party, 30th October 09
<MootBot> IDEA received: banbury release party, 30th October 09
<AlanBell> anyhow, back to the koala
<BobIsNotMyUncle> How is support for 802.11n?
<brobostigon> BobIsNotMyUncle: not now.
<AlanBell> there is usually a london party announced at the last moment by Canonical
<brobostigon> yep AlanBell
<AlanBell> I think we should try once more to help them sort it out a bit earlier
<AlanBell> I think Kat Kinnie might have moved on from Canonical?
<brobostigon> [idea] help canonical with release party planning.
<MootBot> IDEA received: help canonical with release party planning.
<TheOpenSourcerer> The London venue needs to be larger than the last 2
<TheOpenSourcerer> But still free to get in. And preferably in a pub.
<BobIsNotMyUncle> An idea raised at my local ALUG was to merge the release date with a meet, maybe this on a larger scale could be organised?
<AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: preferably with a bar
<daubers> It might be worth trying to get some press attendence too
<BobIsNotMyUncle> * LUG
<AlanBell> not neccessarily a pub
<brobostigon> daubers: good idea.
<brobostigon> daubers: thats certainly my plan here in banbury.
<TheOpenSourcerer> AlanBell: I know where you are heading with that but I think it needs to be a static venue.
<TheOpenSourcerer> Where people can come and go at times of their choosing.
<AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: no, I wasn't heading anywhere particular, just a low age limit
<TheOpenSourcerer> daubers: CodePope from The H was at the last one.
<TheOpenSourcerer> But some more mainstream press would be good.
<daubers> Never heard of either of them!
<ubuntujenkins> I agree with alanbell there should be a low age limit
*** BobIsNotMyUncle is now known as BenBewick
<TheOpenSourcerer> Dan leMesuirier was there too.
<AlanBell> press attendance was one reason I was thinking about a business focussed party
<AlanBell> in addition to a geeks getting smashed party
<brobostigon> yes,
<dutchie> the two should definitely be separate
<TheOpenSourcerer> Do you not think the press like getting pissed?
<Nafallo> lol
<TheOpenSourcerer> I know of no journalists who are teetotal
<BenBewick> beer == press incentive?
<AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: yes they do!
<brobostigon> [idea] press attended karmic release party
<MootBot> IDEA received: press attended karmic release party
<AlanBell> however they do like to have some content to write about in the event
<brobostigon> am i connected,
<BenBewick> brobostigon: yes
<daubers> brobostigon: yes
<AlanBell> brobostigon: to what?
<hagisbasheruk> lol , not to the net
<BenBewick> brobostigon: wb
<AlanBell> ok, so we like the idea of two london parties?
<brobostigon> sorry/
<brobostigon> adsl interruption
<dutchie> perhaps start off all corporate and enterprisy, then go out and hit the pub :D
<TheOpenSourcerer> I'm not sure I do.
<AlanBell> or launch events rather. With a different focus and atmosphere to each
<AlanBell> dutchie: sounds good
<ball> My time has expired. I hope the rest of the meeting goes well.
<brobostigon> [idea] corporate focused release party
<TheOpenSourcerer> A business event needs to be very different.
<MootBot> IDEA received: corporate focused release party
<ubuntuuk-planet> [Jono Bacon] Community Council: Why I Chose Not To Stand - http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/08/09/community-council-why-i-chose-not-to-stand/
<brobostigon> ok, so a plan, a vote?
<AlanBell> TheOpenSourcerer: yes it does
<TheOpenSourcerer> Needs lots of slideware and giveaways etc.
<brobostigon> pens, lanyards?
<brobostigon> flash drives?
<TheOpenSourcerer> A launch party needs beer
<dutchie> canonical will no doubt supply
<hagisbasheruk> CDs
<brobostigon> ok, so any specific thing we need to record in action or vote?
<Nafallo> not that Canonical will supply beer, that's for sure. but it was a nice quote ;-)
<TheOpenSourcerer> If we think it is a good diea to hold a more business event too, then we should
<TheOpenSourcerer> promote that to canonical.
<AlanBell> well we would have to talk to canonical about such a concept
<brobostigon> [idea] talk to canonical about a more business focused event.
<MootBot> IDEA received: talk to canonical about a more business focused event.
<BenBewick> There should be an ubuntu tie / tie clip for buisness promotion
<hagisbasheruk> buisnesscard cd's
<TheOpenSourcerer> BenBewick: I don't know many folks who wear ties regularly.
<BenBewick> IT people at work do. For example, in our IT area at college
<Nafallo> go to Canary Wharf a regular working day :-)
* BenBewick lives in Norfolk
<AlanBell> any more karmic related stuff to discuss?
<czajkowski> Nafallo: cant imagine you wearing a tie
<Nafallo> czajkowski: neither can I :-)
<hagisbasheruk> fix ath5k it sux when downloading iso files
<BenBewick> How about a pxe server at the launch event for netbooks and the like
<AlanBell> BenBewick: the pub events have never really called for any technology
<AlanBell> beyond the science of fermentation
<brobostigon> hehe.
<brobostigon> ok, is that it for this topic?
<zleap> hi
<jpds> Nafallo: Release party at Brera? Interesting..
<TheOpenSourcerer> Date for the next meet then?
<Nafallo> jpds: too small venue
<brobostigon> [topic] next meeting date and time.
<MootBot> New Topic: next meeting date and time.
<Nafallo> jpds: we'd have to take over the entire Jubilee Place ;-)
<TheOpenSourcerer> Is Sunday eve the *best* time for everyone?
<jpds> Nafallo: Haha.
<AlanBell> do we want to have more frequent meetings?/regular meetings?
<TheOpenSourcerer> I would suggest monthly
<TheOpenSourcerer> regular
<brobostigon> [idea] more frequent meetings.
<MootBot> IDEA received: more frequent meetings.
<brobostigon> [idea] more regular meetings.
<MootBot> IDEA received: more regular meetings.
<AlanBell> I guess sunday evening is going to be achieveable for everyone who turned up, but would another day/time get more people who are not here now?
<brobostigon> ok, is that it?
<TheOpenSourcerer> They aren't here.
<brobostigon> [idea] next meeting on a sunday?
<MootBot> IDEA received: next meeting on a sunday?
<TheOpenSourcerer> We need to ask in the channel
<dutchie> or on the list
<TheOpenSourcerer> over a couple of weeks
<TheOpenSourcerer> get a good consensus
<brobostigon> [idea] next meeting, ask in mailing list and irc channel.
<MootBot> IDEA received: next meeting, ask in mailing list and irc channel.
*** filo1234_ is now known as filo1234
<AlanBell> so monthly would put us into the second week of September
<AlanBell> which is prior to the global jam
<TheOpenSourcerer> the 6th would be a month today.
<AlanBell> and we need to work out the best time, or leave it on Sunday 6th if no better date arrises
<brobostigon> ok, these ideas of dates and times need to be recorded?
<daubers> might be worth having a jame specific meeting in a couple of weeks
<daubers> s/jame/jam
<AlanBell> shall we do a vote on monthly meetings?
<TheOpenSourcerer> good suggestion
<daubers> just a quick one to see where things stand
<brobostigon> [idea] jam specific meeting.
<MootBot> IDEA received: jam specific meeting.
<brobostigon> [vote] monthly in channel meetings?
<MootBot> Please vote on: monthly in channel meetings?.
<MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot
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<AlanBell> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from AlanBell. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
<dutchie> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from dutchie. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
<ubuntujenkins> +1
<TheOpenSourcerer> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from TheOpenSourcerer. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
<stevepearce> +1
<MootBot> +1 received from ubuntujenkins. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
<MootBot> +1 received from stevepearce. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
<BenBewick> +0
<MootBot> Abstention received from BenBewick. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
<AlanBell> hmm, I think we might get a vote tally > 6 at some other point in the week.
<brobostigon> [endvote]
<MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
<TheOpenSourcerer> hmmm not exactly a quorum of approval
<TheOpenSourcerer> 6 votes.
<brobostigon> adsl, arghhh
<brobostigon> ok, sorry.
<TheOpenSourcerer> Thanks for chairing brobostigon
<AlanBell> same results as the pie vote
<AlanBell> yes, well done brobostigon
<brobostigon> AlanBell: is that it?
<TheOpenSourcerer> AOB?
<brobostigon> #endmeeting
<MootBot> Meeting finished at 15:41.


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