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FIX ME BR _MMA_: ************************ START MEETING ************************ _MMA_: Ok. Here we go. _MMA_: We have a good bit of things to get to. _MMA_: * Openness of our systems/resources * Moving the channels to Ubuntu IRC counsel control * Package status * Recruitment Campaign * Support on #ubuntustudio * Status of various new packages and artwork _MMA_: But 1st, Jussi needs the floor. jussi01: heh jussi01: OK, So here goes jussi01: I have some Family issues going on in this cycle - we are moving and other stuff is going on. SO... my involvement will fall from here on in. jussi01: I wont be doing any packaging work, however, I will still have time to be on IRC and things, just not heavy dev stuff Luis de Bethencourt: this cycle. ok. and next? jussi01: luisbg: we will see Luis de Bethencourt: I hope it is a yes Luis de Bethencourt: my opinion is straightfoward jussi01: What I will be doing is still looking after IRC and ML stuff Luis de Bethencourt: do what you can Luis de Bethencourt: if it is small oh well Luis de Bethencourt: we all have lives Luis de Bethencourt: Luis de Bethencourt: but stay around and help unless a little jussi01: luisbg: yes, that was my intention Luis de Bethencourt: awesome jussi01: So, this means someone will have to look after sooper loopers update. jussi01: Other than that, any questions? _MMA_: Not from me. Luis de Bethencourt: is that update needed to be done now AstralJava: I'm cool. Luis de Bethencourt: or is this when a new version of the software comes? jussi01: luisbg: its on its way - just needs to be made sure that it happens Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: ok, cool Luis de Bethencourt: I'm cool too jussi01: ok great. Im done. _MMA_ whats next? _MMA_: Sad to see Jussi but Im sure we all understand. _MMA_: Moving on. _MMA_: * Openness of our systems/resources (and what that means) _MMA_: Recently there was a small issue with with getting to some scripts we rely on for different notifications. _MMA_: Now personal issues aside this got me thinking. _MMA_: What if something happened to any of us that control a particular service for the team/project. _MMA_: ? _MMA_: So this lead me to deciding that *anything* created for the management of the project be open and accessible. Luis de Bethencourt: as an open project we need to be decentralized, "institutions" need to be avoided by being open _MMA_: ie: If someone has a bot we rely on. The latest version should always be out there so if something were to happen another could grab the code and get things running again. Luis de Bethencourt: so we are the more plane as possible ***jussi01 concurs with this Luis de Bethencourt: I include to Cory's example if we need a slight change in that bot Luis de Bethencourt: and the person with the code doesnt have time to do so Luis de Bethencourt: we have to work as a newtwork of responsabilities _MMA_: Any questions/thoughts? AstralJava: Easy, upload everything under our team in lp.net jussi01: the IRC channels? Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: this channel is open jussi01: no, I meant ownership Luis de Bethencourt: is ubottu accesible? _MMA_: We'll get to IRC. jussi01: luisbg: its on lp Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: an other topic in the agenda _MMA_: AstralJava: Im more looking for input on the idea. _MMA_: Ill talk about implementation in a sec. Luis de Bethencourt: when we finish with this topic I want to say something _MMA_: Anyone have issues with this? jussi01: there still needs to be cntrol on who can do stuff with some things... AstralJava: No issues whatsoever, our _current_ services must be open. Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: what do you mean? _MMA_: AstralJava: Current and future. Luis de Bethencourt: AstralJava: that means closing the ones that arent, correct? AstralJava: _MMA_: Yes, current and future. Luis de Bethencourt: _MMA_: yes, not using anything unless it follows the policy _MMA_: Say if a bot or scripts are made for the project. A copy needs to be sitting somewhere other than someone's hard drive. _MMA_: *In case* something happens. We've seen this before with imbrandon. Luis de Bethencourt: _MMA_: that was dangerous Luis de Bethencourt: and backups saved us _MMA_: Yes. Luis de Bethencourt: if he was the only one with a copy Luis de Bethencourt: only one master copy we depended one Luis de Bethencourt: the website would've needed to be redone, loose time to publish, etc _MMA_: Ok. So where this stuff will be is simple. We'll make a bzr branch with our crap in it. Ok? Luis de Bethencourt: +1 _MMA_: We'll hammer out the details on the ML. jussi01: +1 _MMA_: Anyone else? jussi01: AstralJava: ? AstralJava: Yeah I'm fine. AstralJava: Already told it. _MMA_: Related topic: _MMA_:  * Moving the channels to Ubuntu IRC counsel control joejaxx: hi ? Luis de Bethencourt: I just wanted to say that Launchpad is going to be the exception for some time jussi01: joejaxx: !! Luis de Bethencourt: since it is going to be open soon Luis de Bethencourt: joejaxx: hey! _MMA_: Ok. Lets freeze. joejaxx: not really feeling well _MMA_: 1 sec guys. Luis de Bethencourt: ok joejaxx: luisbg: please do the following joejaxx: luisbg: /msg ChanServ SET #ubuntustudio FOUNDER luisbg _MMA_: jowjaxx: Shall I go? joejaxx: /msg ChanServ SET #ubuntustudio-devel FOUNDER luisbg joejaxx: sure _MMA_: Damn typo. Luis de Bethencourt: [20:59:34] <joejaxx> /msg ChanServ SET #ubuntustudio-devel FOUNDER luisbg Luis de Bethencourt: oops Luis de Bethencourt: sorry Luis de Bethencourt: we still have to talk about the irc channel ownership Luis de Bethencourt: it was the next topic in the agenda joejaxx: i know but you still need to do that Luis de Bethencourt: just did Luis de Bethencourt: joejaxx: lets PM that and keep the meeting going _MMA_: Ok. There was a little issue the other day that prompted the "open systems" thing. _MMA_: It revolved around a philosophical difference but got personal. _MMA_: And it should not have. _MMA_: I wanna say this: _MMA_: Anyone can contribute to this project no matter their free-software religious beliefs. _MMA_: :P _MMA_: But... _MMA_: The resulting work needs to be available to all. _MMA_: Sorry. Im slow to type. Luis de Bethencourt: May I have to floor? _MMA_: Sure Luis de Bethencourt: I guess by now most of the people know about the incident so no need to go on about it Luis de Bethencourt: and should be in the past Luis de Bethencourt: but Luis de Bethencourt: I want to publicly apologize to joejaxx for taking a management conversation to a personal level Luis de Bethencourt: and falling into words that can be taken offensively through irc Luis de Bethencourt: I shouldve kept cold minded Luis de Bethencourt: and I promise it wont happen again Luis de Bethencourt: so I want to ask joejaxx for his forgiveness as I do respect him Luis de Bethencourt: and would like to still work with him together in this project Luis de Bethencourt: if he grants me that favor and pleasure _MMA_: joejaxx: You wanna say anything? joejaxx: yeah _MMA_: Shoot joejaxx: i am taking a indefinite break from the project joejaxx: i already transferred most stuff over already joejaxx: the domains will still have to wait though joejaxx: 1and1 are being ignorant about giving me with transfer codes joejaxx: but as soon as i get them i will be giving them to lans (i think that was his irc nick ) through email joejaxx: and they will be canonical property _MMA_: joejaxx: I'd rather you not beat around the bush. Why an "indefinite break". _MMA_: ? joejaxx: ? _MMA_: joejaxx: Are things square with you and Luis or is there something else? joejaxx: i do not let things happen a third time joejaxx: so i will have to resign joejaxx: unfortunately _MMA_: I can't remember *any* other issues before this. joejaxx: that has always been my rule of thumb in life joejaxx: this is the second time this has happened joejaxx: or that was joejaxx: rather _MMA_: SO this also means you're not willing to take the olive branch, swallow pride and take Luis at his word? joejaxx: _MMA_: i apply the two strike rule to everything Luis de Bethencourt: I beg to differ, this is the first time it happens (I remember it with shock :P) but I will extend the olive branch of peace and getting square _MMA_: Still not a direct answer. Luis de Bethencourt: indefinitely Luis de Bethencourt: so you are always welcomed to accept my apologies Luis de Bethencourt: and if your relation with the project cant be helped now or in the future joejaxx: i accept your apology but i also have to adhere to my own rules Luis de Bethencourt: I dont want you to leave with hard feelings joejaxx: no hard feelings joejaxx: i just have always had a two strike rules joejaxx: in any situation _MMA_: joejaxx: I honestly think it's a smack in the face to me and the project to not patch things up. _MMA_: I can understand if there's more but just over this? No. joejaxx: _MMA_: i accepted his apology _MMA_: joejaxx fails. joejaxx: and there are not hard feelings joejaxx: s/not/no/g ***Luis de Bethencourt is sadend by this _MMA_: joejaxx: Then there is no other apparent reason to leave. Luis de Bethencourt: joejaxx: since the two strikes rule is with the future lead of the project and not the current Luis de Bethencourt: can you at least stay involved until the end of this release? Luis de Bethencourt: meanwhile Cory is the leader joejaxx: i do not know joejaxx: i have to think about it jussi01: Ok, luisbg has limited time - should we not get on with the other stuff? _MMA_: joejaxx: I know you well enough. Are you really gonna think about it or are you just staling? Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: thanks Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: but this is important joejaxx: _MMA_: i would not say it unless i meant it joejaxx: and i really do not feel well Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: I am already late but I guess I'll miss part of the other topics joejaxx: i have not even said 'lol' during this entire thing Luis de Bethencourt: please do Luis de Bethencourt: once AstralJava: You have now. Luis de Bethencourt: AstralJava: bastard _MMA_: joejaxx: SO when will we expect an answer? joejaxx: when i "lol" i actually laugh in real life, i do not feel like laughing at the moment joejaxx: _MMA_: Wednesday _MMA_: ok. _MMA_: Moving on. _MMA_:   * Moving the channels to Ubuntu IRC counsel control _MMA_: jussi01: What is involved with this? Luis de Bethencourt: its the policy of the official ubuntu projects jussi01: 1 sec Luis de Bethencourt: and it is part of the horizontal decentralized responsabilities and ownerships jussi01: addong this for starters: [22:47:41] [freenode:ChanServ:ChanServ] 3 UbuntuIrcCouncil +votsriRfA [modified 4 weeks, 1 day, 09:58:28 ago] _MMA_: jussi01: Where? jussi01: But its best that we get price child involved with this - as he is actually on the council jussi01: _MMA_: access list Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: very true Luis de Bethencourt: and he has helped us before jussi01: I will have time to take care of that and ping people where necessary, iof you like _MMA_: Sure. Ok. Well lets put implementation aside. _MMA_: ANyone have an issue with this? jussi01: not I Luis de Bethencourt: +1 AstralJava: I'm cool. _MMA_: rexbron, TheMuso? jussi01: pricey is around now, shall I ask him in? Luis de Bethencourt: jussi01: nice, please do _MMA_: Sure. Have him pop in. joejaxx: /win 21 PriceChild [i=pricechi@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.pricechild] entered the room. Luis de Bethencourt: hello PriceChild _MMA_: Ok. Settled. We'll put the channels in-line with other Ubuntu projects under the care of the IRC Council. jussi01: Hello PriceChild PriceChild: Allo there. _MMA_: \m/ PriceChild: :/ Luis de Bethencourt: \o/ _MMA_: jussi01: If you like, and Joseph can, please work in PM to get this done. Luis de Bethencourt: PriceChild: can we have this channel owned by the ubuntu irc council? Luis de Bethencourt: we should move the meeting on Luis de Bethencourt: I have to go 5 minutes left _MMA_: Moving on. PriceChild: If you want.. but I'm not sure why? Luis de Bethencourt: before I get spanked because Im too late for the family thing _MMA_: PriceChild: We'll talk later about it. Luis de Bethencourt: :P PriceChild: Sure. _MMA_: * Recruitment Campaign _MMA_: I have basic non-groundbreaking ideas for getting new members. Luis de Bethencourt: I have very few Luis de Bethencourt: so I wanted this meeting to ask people to think about it persia [n=persia@207.96.102.100] entered the room. _MMA_: I'll put up a post to the list soon I expect ideas from the team on. Luis de Bethencourt: and try to create a multi attack plan for this topic _MMA_: Hi Emmet. Luis de Bethencourt: Hey persia persia: Sorry I'm late Luis de Bethencourt: no problem joejaxx: /win 81 _MMA_: I just have the normal, "Post here and there." type of ideas. Luis de Bethencourt: my ideas are blogging about stuff we need and asking for help Luis de Bethencourt: see who replies to that _MMA_: "We need you!" and all. Luis de Bethencourt: talk about recruiting support in the forums Luis de Bethencourt: mailing list Luis de Bethencourt: etc _MMA_: Yes. _MMA_: Various ML actually. Luis de Bethencourt: but we need to recruit two types of contributors Luis de Bethencourt: developers and supporters _MMA_: Anyone have any quick ideas now for the record? Luis de Bethencourt: so we need to write those uncle sam propaganda Luis de Bethencourt: and move it around in the correct mediums _MMA_: Anyone other than Luis? ***AstralJava ain't so good with marketing, so I'll leave it to you lads. I'll just stick to my pbuilder and all that. _MMA_: :P Luis de Bethencourt: AstralJava: lol Luis de Bethencourt: any native english speaker wants to help me with the writing of this? _MMA_: I will. We'll do it together. Luis de Bethencourt: my spanglish is funny but not much else ***_MMA_ grabs Luis's hand lovingly. ***Luis de Bethencourt holds _MMA_'s hand Luis de Bethencourt: so gay _MMA_: Ok. Moving on. Luis de Bethencourt: this is my time guys Luis de Bethencourt: sorry I cant stay for the rest _MMA_: Later Luis. jussi01: ok luisbg have a good one Luis de Bethencourt: I have told Cory my opinions about the rest of the topics and I'll scroll back in a few hours Luis de Bethencourt: bye everybody _MMA_: * Our Package status's's'sss'ss'ssss (statusi) jussi01: lol _MMA_: :P _MMA_: Ok. I think we know where Pencil is. Or do we? AstralJava: In REVU. AstralJava: Also built on my PPA. _MMA_: AstralJava: What about those others you quickly took up? AstralJava: Rakarrack in REVU too, but strangely didn't build in PPA. AstralJava: Built fine on Intrepid pbuilder though. AstralJava: minicomputer I haven't had time for, yet. jussi01: AstralJava: nice work! AstralJava: Cheers. AstralJava: Pencil sources under team's bzr branches also. AstralJava: Rakarrack getting there once I figure out what the problem is. _MMA_: Ok. So was that all? I knew it was only a couple. What about superlooper? What is needed on it again. A merge/sync? cody-somerville left the room (quit: Remote closed the connection). _MMA_: jussi01 ^ AstralJava: No other from me, but I can look on something else if need be. Took a quick look on what the status is with intrepid/sid relation, but nothing there that required imminent action. jussi01: _MMA_: yeah, when its done in debian - also some prodding the maintainer when the required lib hits debian (rubberband) _MMA_: Ok. DO what you can and *please* poke someone for help. AstralJava: Prodding the maintainer?! Please elaborate. jussi01: AstralJava: the debian maintainer said he will update it when rubberband hits debian, as soon as that happens, he should be prodded to do it... AstralJava: Right'o. _MMA_: Moving on. _MMA_: * Support on #ubuntustudio _MMA_: I have no clue about this one. Maybe Jussi does? jussi01: yes jussi01: Its mostly been addressed, but we need to be in the channel giving help where we can. Ive noticed in the last few day a fantastic jump in questions actually getting answered in channel - just cause a few more people are around. jussi01: So please, try to be in channel over there if you can. AstralJava: Gotcha. jussi01: Its been good also the fact that things have bneen happening have encouraged others to speak up, as they see other people talking _MMA_: But it's still You and I Jussi. Who else has chimed in? jussi01: AstralJava: jussi01: and luisbg also jussi01: but we need to see more - even if its only giving 5mins here and there _MMA_: DO you have any other ideas as to how to address this? jussi01: _MMA_: I feel it will grow as people see that there is viable help in there, then when there are people asking, people learn and tell others etc jussi01: But maybe a ML post would also be in order _MMA_: Ok. Cool. _MMA_: Moving on. _MMA_: * Artwork status. _MMA_: I ain't got shit. _MMA_: :P AstralJava: How's your help raid coming up? _MMA_: But I will say, I have many ideas floating around just have to pick a direction. _MMA_: ? AstralJava: I thought you were gonna recruit people for that. jussi01: _MMA_: do you think you might put a couple of "directions" together and we can say "yeah! lets do that one" ?? _MMA_: As far as art goes, we'll see. I has 3 on the hook but as always no talk from them in weeks. _MMA_: jussi01: It's honestly easier not to. But sure. I'll try. jussi01: _MMA_: s/has.had _MMA_: gah. whatever _MMA_: I was wondering something. _MMA_: Well wait. _MMA_: That's the end of "official" topics. _MMA_: Anyone got anything else? AstralJava: Well I was gonna ask about documentation. AstralJava: What's the status on that? AstralJava: What plans? Schedules? Roadmaps? _MMA_: AstralJava: Well murat might be fucked. AstralJava: Ouch. _MMA_: It *looks* like he's gonna get pulled into military service. AstralJava: By a baseball bat rolled in glass shards? AstralJava: Yep, that's it then. AstralJava: AstralJava: Seriously, sorry to hear that. _MMA_: So, we're in a holding pattern for now. AstralJava: Ok. _MMA_: But not long. I'll try to move it along soon. _MMA_: Ok. I have one last idea/thought. _MMA_: I was watching the # of Ubuntu-related questions on the linux-audio-users ML. They are quite large. _MMA_: I was thinking about a possible merge. I kinda think it would be neat for people to go for help on our apps and not a seperate list just for us. jussi01: _MMA_: I like that idea _MMA_: *LOTS* of questions have the same answers. _MMA_: I jusr saw a Debian user asking about the whole limits.conf settings thing. _MMA_: *just _MMA_: Any more? AstralJava: Hmm... what you reckon we should do then? We all join that list and take our business over there? _MMA_: Just the support channel. I'd still have to talk with those guys. Its all just an idea. _MMA_: Anything else? _MMA_: ************************ END MEETING ************************