1 13:00 < holstein> #startmeeting
   2 13:00 < MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is holstein.
   3 13:00 < MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
   4 13:00 < holstein> WELCOME ubuntu studio contributors team :)
   5 13:01 < holstein> [topic] agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
   6 13:01 < MootBot> New Topic:  agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
   7 13:01 < holstein> lets get started
   8 13:01 < holstein> who is here?
   9 13:01 < holstein> o/ of course..., and?
  10 13:02 -!- scott-upstairs [~scott@conr-adsl-dhcp-64-92-4-194.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
  11 13:03 -!- falktx [~falktx@95.69.116.16] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
  12 13:03 < scott-upstairs> i'm here for the meeting
  13 13:03 < scott-upstairs> o/
  14 13:03 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i just dropped the link to the agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
  15 13:03 < holstein> and started roll-call
  16 13:04 -!- astraljava [astraljava@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
  17 13:04 < holstein> astraljava: hey
  18 13:05 < holstein> im sure folks will sneak in
  19 13:05 < holstein> and ckontros is here
  20 13:05 < scott-upstairs> oi, here
  21 13:05 < holstein> anyways...
  22 13:05 < astraljava> holstein: Sorry for being distracted.
  23 13:05 < holstein> [topic] old buisness
  24 13:05 < MootBot> New Topic:  old buisness
  25 13:05 < holstein> i have "none"
  26 13:05 < holstein> and i think that is accurate
  27 13:06 < falktx> hey guys
  28 13:06 < scott-upstairs> yes, i don't think we have anything carrying over this meeting
  29 13:06 < holstein> just thought id pose that as we wait for folks to trickle in
  30 13:06 < falktx> my first IRC meeting, please be gentle
  31 13:06 < holstein> falktx: welcome :)
  32 13:06 < scott-upstairs> lol
  33 13:06 < holstein> astraljava: no worries
  34 13:07 < holstein> [topic] Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
  35 13:07 < MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
  36 13:07 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you added this
  37 13:07 < holstein> i think its shaping up
  38 13:07 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to discuss a bit?
  39 13:07 < scott-upstairs> oi, yes...just a rough time line, please review it and the things your responsible for/helping with and adjust as needed
  40 13:08 < scott-upstairs> at some point (very soon hopefully) this will be a little more fleshed out and we can start maintining a better schedule for this cycle
  41 13:08 < scott-upstairs> we can use this to gauge our process and also as reminder of what we need to do and when we need to do it by
  42 13:08 < holstein> [action] review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as needed
  43 13:08 < MootBot> ACTION received:  review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as needed
  44 13:08 < scott-upstairs> furthermore it shows how other things are depending on the current task (if applicable)
  45 13:09 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you mention putting it in chronologic order
  46 13:09 < holstein> i say, if someone wants to do that, let them
  47 13:09 < holstein> otherwise, its working for me as-is
  48 13:10 < scott-upstairs> yes, i thought that putting it in chronological order would help understand how things should move forward
  49 13:10 < scott-upstairs> but the colors would help people associated related items
  50 13:10 -!- furn [~furntree@cpe-67-244-74-145.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
  51 13:10 < holstein> scott-upstairs: it wont hurt, i could look into doing that
  52 13:10 -!- _guitarman_ [~guitarman@mail.wootangent.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
  53 13:10 < scott-upstairs> for example, the website tasks which would span many months but are defintely related
  54 13:11 < scott-upstairs> holstein, but i wanted to make sure people had made their edits first
  55 13:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically
  56 13:11 < MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically
  57 13:11 < scott-upstairs> i thought it would be easier to do that way...or at least less confusing
  58 13:11 < holstein> eh, i dont mind looking at it later too
  59 13:11 < holstein> if i need to re-do some things
  60 13:11 < holstein> anyways, i'll either do that, or ask for help with it :)
  61 13:12 < holstein> scott-upstairs: anymore on that?
  62 13:12 < scott-upstairs> not at this time, holstein
  63 13:12 < holstein> [topic] Website Update
  64 13:12 < MootBot> New Topic:  Website Update
  65 13:12 < holstein> i was hoping kokito would be here, but he said he couldnt be
  66 13:12 < scott-upstairs> right, but i have some information...and not all is good
  67 13:12 < holstein> anyways, scott-upstairs, do you have links handy you want to drop here?
  68 13:12 < holstein> or news?
  69 13:13 < scott-upstairs> jorge will cease working on the website effectively immediately because he is taking a new job that will move him to japan
  70 13:13 < scott-upstairs> :(
  71 13:13 < scott-upstairs> the relatively good news is that what he has done is fairly mature and can be used
  72 13:13 < scott-upstairs> but we will still need to do a few things however
  73 13:14 < scott-upstairs> we need to discuss where we are going to host it
  74 13:14 < scott-upstairs> firstly
  75 13:14 < scott-upstairs> does anyone have any opinions on this matter?  should we continue to squeek along with canonical hosting and limited access or should we push forward and host ourselves?
  76 13:15  * scott-upstairs hears crickets chirping
  77 13:15 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i think it depends
  78 13:15 < furn> scott-upstairs: i think anything that helps the ease of use for the end user would be a good choice
  79 13:15 < holstein> as of now,t he cannonical hosting is not working for us
  80 13:16 < holstein> furn: hello
  81 13:16 < scott-upstairs> right, i recently (two days ago) got access to our website sent to me so we are not relying on eric anymore for updates
  82 13:16 < furn> holstein: afternoon kind sir
  83 13:16 < holstein> scott-upstairs: im comfortable leaving that up to you
  84 13:16 < scott-upstairs> however i would suspect getting other access would be as laborious and i can't do everything in this matter
  85 13:16 < holstein> if you feel like thd current system can work now that you have access
  86 13:16 < scott-upstairs> so i would push for hosting ourselves but i want to get input from others
  87 13:16 < holstein> i mean, we can vote it out
  88 13:17 < scott-upstairs> right, holstein, make an action item please about me researching what is available for hosting, i.e. price, bandwidth, storage, etc, etc
  89 13:17 < holstein> [action] scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans
  90 13:17 < MootBot> ACTION received:  scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans
  91 13:17 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Do we have any measurements, like how many are accessing our site daily?
  92 13:18 < scott-upstairs> basically i feel that unless someone strenuously disagrees with us hosting our own i'll research it and put it to the group
  93 13:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to leave it at that for now? and vote next time with mor information?
  94 13:18 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Might help in deciding about the hosting.
  95 13:18 < scott-upstairs> we still have to evaluate what the costs are and if we can do that
  96 13:18 < furn> scott-upstairs: i think hosting ourself at any capacity at this point is a good option
  97 13:18 < scott-upstairs> aye, but would everyone agree with putting up five quid to help ;)
  98 13:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: thats the issue
  99 13:19 < holstein> we need to have all the information, and go from there i say
 100 13:19 < holstein> lets table it til we get some #'s
 101 13:19 < holstein> let me/us know if we can help gather information
 102 13:19 < scott-upstairs> i can ask jorge via email too about hosting, he seemed to indicate that it shouldn't be that big of a deal
 103 13:19 < furn> could we setup a donation system on the site as a non profit?
 104 13:20 < scott-upstairs> i think cory mentioned away to get some funds as well, perhaps from canonical?  i'll ask cory as well
 105 13:20 < scott-upstairs> we could do that furn
 106 13:20 < holstein> [action] vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted
 107 13:20 < MootBot> ACTION received:  vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted
 108 13:20 < holstein> im going to skip the XFCE topic in hopes that ckontros makes it back
 109 13:21 -!- mammig [~mammig@ARennes-556-1-97-249.w109-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
 110 13:21 < furn> i think at this point with so many indie devs having paypal donation buttons, the act of politely suggesting the point of donation isnt quite as audacious as it once was for free media
 111 13:21 < holstein> [topic] Menu changes
 112 13:21 < MootBot> New Topic:  Menu changes
 113 13:21 < holstein> furn: not to cut you off
 114 13:21 < scott-upstairs> holstein, i can answer some xfce changes but i agree let's wait and see if cory comes back, if not we can go with what i know
 115 13:22  * scott-upstairs is looking for screen shots
 116 13:22 < holstein> scott-upstairs: personally, i like the generic menu items
 117 13:22 < holstein> for example, when i need to burn an iso in brasero, that has nothing to do with the menu its located in
 118 13:22 < scott-upstairs> other distros (many ubuntu studio derivatives) use additioanl submenus for audio applications
 119 13:23 < holstein> i think some of that might happen with putting apps like qtractor in a MIDI tab
 120 13:23 < scott-upstairs> example screenshot:  http://tangostudio.tuxfamily.org/images/stories/tangostudio-karmasutra.png
 121 13:23 < holstein> i mean, qtractor is *not* the go-to daw, but if you want to record audio with it
 122 13:23 < holstein> and its in the MIDI menu...
 123 13:23 < scott-upstairs> right, but synthesisers could safely be put into a synth submenu
 124 13:23 < holstein> BUT, the scrolling for apps in the giant menu is a mess*
 125 13:23 < scott-upstairs> the same for effects
 126 13:24 < holstein> scott-upstairs: agreed
 127 13:24 < scott-upstairs> the current menu IS better because we cut some
 128 13:24 < scott-upstairs> my feeling is to leave it as is because it's a lot of manual coding to "fix" it
 129 13:24 < holstein> well, thats my other argument too
 130 13:24 < scott-upstairs> if other's feel that this is a benefit then i would be happy to make the changes
 131 13:24 < holstein> its more work than i feel like we need to take on right now
 132 13:24 < scott-upstairs> IF, and only IF...
 133 13:24 < furn> holstein: i think everyone can nit pick about a menu item that isnt properly placed, but considering out somewhat savvy user base having something like qtractor under midi isnt too big
 134 13:24 < scott-upstairs> someone can clearly identify what they want
 135 13:25 < holstein> BUT, something we should keep on the table for the future for sure
 136 13:25 < holstein> i propose we vote to put this off til the next cycle*
 137 13:25 < scott-upstairs> i have it in the "release planning" wiki so it's not going away forever
 138 13:25 < scott-upstairs> seconded
 139 13:25 < holstein> cool
 140 13:26 < scott-upstairs> obvisouly there isn't enough support for it :P
 141 13:26  * ckontros is "here" but not here. Im just looking in when I break from cutting my grass. ;)
 142 13:26 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, you want to talk about xfce?
 143 13:26 < holstein> this is how you vote +1 / -1 / +0
 144 13:26 < ckontros> Sure.
 145 13:26 < holstein> ckontros: yeah, hang for a sec
 146 13:26 < holstein> and you're next
 147 13:26 < scott-upstairs> holstein, i'm not sure we need to vote
 148 13:26 < holstein> [vote] hold menu re-vamp til next cycle
 149 13:26 < MootBot> Please vote on:  hold menu re-vamp til next cycle.
 150 13:26 < MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
 151 13:26 < MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
 152 13:26 < scott-upstairs> only two voiced opinions and we both said nay
 153 13:26 < holstein> +1
 154 13:26 < MootBot> +1 received from holstein. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
 155 13:27 < scott-upstairs> +1
 156 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from scott-upstairs. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
 157 13:27 < holstein> well, its official :)
 158 13:27  * falktx people type too fast...
 159 13:27 < furn> hehe
 160 13:27 < astraljava> +1
 161 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from astraljava. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
 162 13:27 < falktx> can I show a quick screen shot ?
 163 13:27 < falktx> it's about this
 164 13:27 < christof> +1
 165 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from christof. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
 166 13:27 < holstein> falktx: sure
 167 13:27 < holstein> christof: hello
 168 13:27 < holstein> i think thats the majority
 169 13:28 < holstein> [endvote]
 170 13:28 < christof> hi all
 171 13:28 < MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
 172 13:28 < scott-upstairs> can ckontros go?
 173 13:28 < holstein> [action] postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04)
 174 13:28 < ckontros> Sure
 175 13:28 < MootBot> ACTION received:  postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04)
 176 13:28  * scott-upstairs is anxious to get him while he's here
 177 13:28 < ckontros> But wait.
 178 13:28 < holstein> [topic] XFCE/UI Changes
 179 13:28 < MootBot> New Topic:  XFCE/UI Changes
 180 13:29 < falktx> basically I already have the code for this (more submenus)
 181 13:29 < ckontros> IDK We have to become more familuar with how XFCE does menus.
 182 13:29 < holstein> falktx: yeah, hold that til the end if you dont mind*
 183 13:29 < ckontros> Im unsure if we can apply the same work we did in GNOME ot XFCE.
 184 13:29 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg
 185 13:29 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg
 186 13:29 < falktx> holstein: k, sorry
 187 13:29 < holstein> falktx: no worries :)
 188 13:30 < ckontros> falktx: But your install is all or nothing correct?
 189 13:30 < holstein> ckontros: i would imagine its quite different
 190 13:30 < scott-upstairs> mmm, falktx that is a good looking screenshot
 191 13:30 < ckontros> Sorry to back-track but I gotta chime in.
 192 13:31 < falktx> ckontros: nope, let me get you a quick deb
 193 13:31 < falktx> here:
 194 13:31 < falktx> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kxstudio/+files/kxstudio-menu_3.0%7Egit20110527-0%7Enatty1_all.deb
 195 13:32 < falktx> the deb is the stuff for this menu
 196 13:32 < ckontros> falktx: So your saying your work applies to any menuing system?
 197 13:32 < falktx> ckontros: yes, I made it work under gnome, kde and xcfe at least
 198 13:32 < scott-upstairs> i think that xfce follows the freesektop.org guidelines better than other DE's
 199 13:32 < holstein> agreed*
 200 13:32 < ckontros> Ok. We'll look into this. Move along. :)
 201 13:32 < falktx> scott-upstairs: kde does so, it's just gnome that is the weird thing, like they were the bosses...
 202 13:33 < holstein> yeahm, we can always put it back on the table*
 203 13:33 < holstein> anytime really, if we find that its something easy that we can handle
 204 13:33 < falktx> sure, I usually around if anyone wants to know more stuff about it
 205 13:33 < scott-upstairs> i still say that just because we can do this (adjust menu structure) that we shouldn't unless there is a demand
 206 13:33 < ckontros> We might be able to do it this cycle
 207 13:33 < scott-upstairs> and i don't think that the demand is really there apparently
 208 13:34 < scott-upstairs> let'
 209 13:34 < holstein> well, its postponed as it stands
 210 13:34 < falktx> scott-upstairs: the menu gets pretty big and it's a pain to use...
 211 13:34 < ckontros> scott-upsrairs: I say that we at least copy our current functionality. Unless *-menu was removed last cycle.
 212 13:34 < ckontros> ie: With the A/V submenus.
 213 13:35 < scott-upstairs> defintely copy our current functionality for now
 214 13:35 < scott-upstairs> let's get some of the larger issues under our belt and then see about the restructuring
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 216 13:35 < ckontros> +1
 217 13:35 < scott-upstairs> we still ahve to migrate to xfce
 218 13:35 < scott-upstairs> THAT will probably be a bigger challenge than any realizes still
 219 13:35 < falktx> does the US theme works on xcfe?
 220 13:36 < ckontros> falktx: Generally, yes. I have to make a XFWM theme. And thats in progress.
 221 13:37 < ckontros> Feel free to move to next item.
 222 13:37 < scott-upstairs> hmmm, no ailo
 223 13:37 < scott-upstairs> holstein, can ckontros do his bit?
 224 13:37 < holstein> yeah, thats up
 225 13:37 < ckontros> Wait, wait. Im not presenting.
 226 13:37 < ckontros> I had no plans to anyway.
 227 13:38 -!- bartje_ [510bba89@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.186.137] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
 228 13:38 < holstein> ckontros: you want to just give an update?
 229 13:38 < holstein> or drop some links?
 230 13:38 < scott-upstairs> can you update about the xfce stuff and you mentioned banging heads together about a few things
 231 13:38 < ckontros> Ill happily answer any questions. :)
 232 13:38 < holstein> OK, that works
 233 13:38 < holstein> any questions?
 234 13:38 < holstein> Do we have a tentative date for new -settings/-look packages?
 235 13:38 < ckontros> I mean things are gonna move better now that my uploading is sorted.
 236 13:39 < scott-upstairs> yay :)
 237 13:39 < ckontros> Im gonna shoot for 1 week for settings.
 238 13:39 < holstein> Do you need help or testing?
 239 13:39 < scott-upstairs> i guess we need to update the -desktop package first
 240 13:39 < ckontros> -Look will be what it is untill I get some of the art folks settled.
 241 13:39 < scott-upstairs> then -settings and -look ?
 242 13:39 < ckontros> So -settings will have to hit then the seed changes.
 243 13:40 < scott-upstairs> setting first?  i would have thought we needed to update -desktop first
 244 13:40 < scott-upstairs> wans't that what we were looking at earlier on pastebin?
 245 13:40 < ckontros> No. Because -desktop is made from the seeds but will dep on *-settings.
 246 13:40 < ckontros> IIRC
 247 13:41 < scott-upstairs> this "chicken and/or egg" thing gets confusing sometimes :/
 248 13:41 < ckontros> ;)
 249 13:41 < holstein> ckontros: you need help/testing ?
 250 13:41 < scott-upstairs> so hopefully before Alpha2 we should have something to test?
 251 13:41 < ckontros> So we can get things ready in the seeds and -settings but they should push to the srchine @ the same time.
 252 13:42 < ckontros> *Hopefully* But Im thinking things will be rocky for a month or so.
 253 13:42 < scott-upstairs> i imagine we will need to make adjustments (possibly many as bugs are found) to the seeds and -settings
 254 13:42 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, so the plan is replicate our current functionality as far as UI right?
 255 13:42 < ckontros> Side note to all this, we can test upgrade paths but my official stance is new installs.
 256 13:42 < scott-upstairs> after we get things stable, then we shoot for a new UI?
 257 13:43 < ckontros> Correct
 258 13:43 < scott-upstairs> cool to both :)
 259 13:43 < holstein> ckontros: Is there a newer screenshot for the new UI prototype?
 260 13:43 < ckontros> holstein: No.
 261 13:43 < holstein> the other question from the agenda is Should we provide a option that looks like old UI?
 262 13:43 < holstein> i say, if its not dirt-simple, no
 263 13:43 < ckontros> I'll upgrade the wiki with new info soon but its slow going at this point.
 264 13:43 < holstein> i dont think its going to be a giant departure in look/feel
 265 13:44 < ckontros> +1 (to no that is)
 266 13:44 < scott-upstairs> maybe someone can hack something in a ppa to help users BUT
 267 13:44 < scott-upstairs> if we move to a new UI it should be default and we should push that
 268 13:44 < holstein> yeah, something unoffical is welcome for sure
 269 13:44 < ckontros> Well, it kinda will. Just AWN at the bottom as opposed the the panel across the top. But all functionality is replicated.
 270 13:44 < holstein> [action] Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially
 271 13:44 < MootBot> ACTION received:  Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially
 272 13:45 < falktx> I have to pop up again here, as I am developing a replacement for *-controls
 273 13:45 < holstein> ckontros: cool, thanks :)
 274 13:45 < ckontros> np
 275 13:45 < falktx> it is meant for kxstudio mainly, but I'm working to get it nicely goind with others distros too
 276 13:45 < holstein> [topic] Documentation Updates
 277 13:45 < MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation Updates
 278 13:45 < scott-upstairs> holstein, can we break and address falktx 's comment first?
 279 13:45 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to comment? ask for help officially?
 280 13:46 < holstein> scott-upstairs: sure
 281 13:46 < falktx> can I continue?
 282 13:46 < scott-upstairs> falktx, what does the -controls update do?  what functionality?
 283 13:46 < scott-upstairs> sure falktx  :)  you da man!
 284 13:46 < falktx> for now the controls don't do much, as everything is already working in kxstudio ;)
 285 13:46  * scott-upstairs has a strat and isn't afraid to play it ;)
 286 13:47 < falktx> but it checks for the kernel version and user/audio thing now
 287 13:47 < scott-upstairs> faltx one thing we have tried to do with updating -controls is to author the app with the perspective of someone "updating" from vanilla ubuntu to ubuntu studio
 288 13:47 < falktx> the more important thing about this app it's that it contain other cool sub-apps
 289 13:47 < scott-upstairs> so this would include checking if user is in audio group currently
 290 13:47 < falktx> a jack-patchbay, a-la patchage
 291 13:47 < ckontros> falktx: How about we team up and refine -controls rather then have parallel efforts?
 292 13:48 < falktx> ckontros: we have different targets
 293 13:48 < ckontros> Like?
 294 13:48 < falktx> ckontros: for example, It also works as a plugin host
 295 13:48 < scott-upstairs> oi, it controls jackd, can start applciations
 296 13:48 < falktx> it manages WineASIO too
 297 13:48 < falktx> screenshots coming
 298 13:48 < scott-upstairs> you can install plugins (or at least assign where to look for them)
 299 13:48 < falktx> this is the main app:
 300 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg
 301 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg
 302 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg
 303 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg
 304 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg
 305 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg
 306 13:49 < falktx> these are the 3 main tabs of it
 307 13:49 < falktx> the first manages system stuff (jack, alsa bridge, a2j and pulse2jack too)
 308 13:49 < ckontros> falktx: Well you mentioned "replacing" *-controls. SO if we have different targets, why replace?
 309 13:50 < falktx> ckontros: cause I want to incorporate all *-controls functionality inside
 310 13:50 < falktx> ckontros: once ready, I want to push it to debian too
 311 13:50 < ckontros> Forgive me, Im just trying to understand how the targets are different.
 312 13:50 < scott-upstairs> falktx, does it adjust jackd settings; rtprio, etc
 313 13:50 -!- chilicuil [~chilicuil@unaffiliated/chilicuil] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
 314 13:51 < falktx> scott-upstairs: it works with jackdbus right now. but I want to make it work with jackd too, soon
 315 13:51 < falktx> ckontros: well, someone once told me that having WineASIO option in a US official tool was a bad tihng
 316 13:52 < falktx> *thing
 317 13:52 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, i think it is currently intended to target the kxstudio audience where many things we worry about are already configure by installation
 318 13:52 < falktx> and that the "Audio Plugins PATH" management is also not very linux friendly
 319 13:52 < scott-upstairs> and they target different applications, including vst, wineasio, and applications that falktx has  written
 320 13:52 < ckontros> falktx: Having the option for us would be no different than Debian. We just cant include the other packages by default.
 321 13:52 < scott-upstairs> good work by the way
 322 13:53 < falktx> thanks
 323 13:53 < falktx> ckontros: I know, any non-working option can be hidden if needed
 324 13:53 < falktx> for example, WineASIO stuff is auto-hidden if WineASIO is not installed
 325 13:53 < holstein> maybe falktx and ckontros can discuss and report next meeting?
 326 13:54 < holstein> sounds like something we could potentially take advantage of*
 327 13:54 < scott-upstairs> +1 or until after we get a working install with xfce ?
 328 13:54 < falktx> ckontros: I also target jack2 and ladish in partical (more focus to it), which I don't think US is ready for now
 329 13:54 < ckontros> Sure. So, is this a situation where you just wanna do what you do and not work directly with us on our -controls app? I can get that. I just wanna be clear.
 330 13:54 < holstein> [action] falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report
 331 13:54 < MootBot> ACTION received:  falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report
 332 13:55 < falktx> ckontros: I can focus on the *-controls stuff if needed. but it's my own app, please understand
 333 13:55 < falktx> I've been working on it since the last 4 months or more...
 334 13:55 < holstein> as far as documentation updates, let me just action-item these entries
 335 13:56 < holstein> [action] Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement
 336 13:56 < MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement
 337 13:56 -!- jjohansen [~jj@static-50-53-37-130.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds]
 338 13:56 < scott-upstairs> i was hoping ailo would be here for the documentation part but i have a structure for the help.ubuntu.com section
 339 13:56 < holstein> [action] Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation
 340 13:56 < MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation
 341 13:56 < ckontros> Ill let the meeting move on. And really, this isnt my call anyway as my involvement is for UI stuff and this cycle only. ;)
 342 13:57 -!- apachelogger is now known as kernellogger
 343 13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed
 344 13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed
 345 13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting?
 346 13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting?
 347 13:57 -!- sysdoc [~sysdoc@pool-71-105-36-163.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
 348 13:57 < scott-upstairs> here is the proposed structure, please ignore/forgive the link top: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos
 349 13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com
 350 13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com
 351 13:58 -!- steveire_ [~quassel@kde/skelly] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
 352 13:58 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i say, shout out when you need help, and feel free to assign me to said tasks
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 354 13:58 -!- steveire [~quassel@kde/skelly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]
 355 13:59 < scott-upstairs> right, i'll confer with ailo later about this, but unless someone strenuously objects AND wants to put forth an alternative, i'm going forward soon
 356 13:59 < holstein> [topic] New Applications
 357 13:59 < MootBot> New Topic:  New Applications
 358 13:59 < scott-upstairs> the basic goal would to be to make this more untutivie and user friendly
 359 13:59 < scott-upstairs> ^^^ documentation
 360 13:59 < holstein> yeah, im plowing on
 361 13:59 < holstein> :)
 362 14:00 < holstein> [action] plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins
 363 14:00 < MootBot> ACTION received:  plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins
 364 14:00 < scott-upstairs> there are several new apps i would like to include and they support things
 365 14:00 < scott-upstairs> oh, you posted it
 366 14:00 < scott-upstairs> is that really an action?
 367 14:00 < holstein> [action] ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools
 368 14:00 < MootBot> ACTION received:  ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools
 369 14:00 < falktx> is ladish on 11.10 now ?
 370 14:00 < scott-upstairs> i would like for us to move to ladish as well unless someone objects
 371 14:00 < holstein> depends on if they are being added i suppose
 372 14:00 < scott-upstairs> yes falktx
 373 14:00 < falktx> cool
 374 14:00 < scott-upstairs> they are in debian and ubuntu now
 375 14:00 < holstein> more of a highlight than an action
 376 14:01 < falktx> I have one thing that might interest you all right now
 377 14:01 < holstein> [action] mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric
 378 14:01 < MootBot> ACTION received:  mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric
 379 14:01 < scott-upstairs> functionality is still sketchy from my experience but i expect it to get better ;)
 380 14:01 < scott-upstairs> what is that falktx ?
 381 14:01 < falktx> take a look  please - http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr005.jpeg
 382 14:01  * scott-upstairs will talk about mudita in a minute
 383 14:01 < scott-upstairs> can you explain the functionality falktx ?
 384 14:02 < falktx> sure
 385 14:02 < falktx> it checks for the current installed packages (not binaries), and displays them
 386 14:02 < falktx> the list is hardcoded
 387 14:02 < scott-upstairs> it seems that it duplicates some of the functionality of ladish however
 388 14:02 < falktx> ^ because of this, we can know where docs are installed
 389 14:02 < falktx> this way we can select an app and click "documentation"
 390 14:03 < falktx> we can always create like "US-docs" package and point to it too
 391 14:03 < falktx> this app also helps ladish, by providing pre-setup templates for many apps
 392 14:03 < falktx> (anyone here knows about ladish internals?)
 393 14:03 < scott-upstairs> falktx, i know some, can we discuss this together after the meeting?
 394 14:04 < falktx> scott-upstairs: sure
 395 14:04 < falktx> this can help the menu situation of menus too
 396 14:04 < scott-upstairs> thanks, i fear other's eyes will glaze over otherwise and we're behind on the meeting
 397 14:04 < falktx> instead of putting into the menu, let the app look for it and display it
 398 14:04 < falktx> oh, sorry
 399 14:04 < holstein> ok, moving on
 400 14:04 < holstein> ?
 401 14:04 < scott-upstairs> mudita24 is the next version of envy24control which is for ice1712 chips (i.e. maudio delta series)
 402 14:05 < scott-upstairs> i'm hoping it goes into debian soon and then i'll file to sync with ubuntu if it isn't in time for debianimport
 403 14:05 < scott-upstairs> okay, done
 404 14:05 < holstein> [topic] Testing Procedures
 405 14:05 < MootBot> New Topic:  Testing Procedures
 406 14:05 -!- acerimmer [4086883e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.134.136.62] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
 407 14:05 < holstein> i dont think we have anything official to test
 408 14:05 < holstein> so i say we hold that til next time
 409 14:06  * falktx looks in debian git
 410 14:06 < falktx> not there
 411 14:06 < scott-upstairs> right but it would be nice to have someone who will oversee testing
 412 14:06 < holstein> i was going to ask ailo :/
 413 14:06 < scott-upstairs> falktx, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/ladish
 414 14:06 < holstein> he's really methodical about the tests we have done so far
 415 14:06 < scott-upstairs> but he's really only been testing the kernel
 416 14:06 < scott-upstairs> i really wanted someone to oversee all of it
 417 14:07 < holstein> right, i was going to ask though :)
 418 14:07 < scott-upstairs> remind people to test when builds come out
 419 14:07 < scott-upstairs> develop testing procedures
 420 14:07 < scott-upstairs> etc
 421 14:07 < holstein> yeah, we need that*
 422 14:07 -!- leoquant [~leoquant@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.leoquant] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
 423 14:07 < holstein> hmmm...
 424 14:07 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, you interested perhaps in helping with this?
 425 14:07 < holstein> astraljava: ?
 426 14:07 < holstein> hehe
 427 14:07 -!- leoquant [~leoquant@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.leoquant] has left #ubuntu-meeting []
 428 14:07 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Sure, why not. I'm not really a tester per se, but that's something I can do for contributing.
 429 14:07 < scott-upstairs> *anything* is better than what we have currently
 430 14:08 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, you can also look into the xubuntu testing process, they ahve some good stuff
 431 14:08 < holstein> astraljava: cool
 432 14:08 < scott-upstairs> i'll find the link for you later
 433 14:08 < astraljava> Okay, that works for me.
 434 14:08 < holstein> [action] astraljava to head up testing 
 435 14:08 < MootBot> ACTION received:  astraljava to head up testing
 436 14:08 < holstein> OK, moving on?
 437 14:08 < scott-upstairs> sure
 438 14:08 < holstein> [topic] Libre Graphics Magazine Ad
 439 14:08 < MootBot> New Topic:  Libre Graphics Magazine Ad
 440 14:09 < holstein> scott-upstairs: this sounds really cool
 441 14:09 < scott-upstairs> we have graciously been afforded a free full page ad in libre graphics magazine
 442 14:09 < scott-upstairs> i would like to captilize on this ad for the changes in oneiric
 443 14:09 < scott-upstairs> we have several months till then
 444 14:09 < holstein> is there a way to make it generic?
 445 14:10 < scott-upstairs> is anyone interesting in hellping with brainstorming, developing idea, and effecting the ad
 446 14:10 < holstein> o/
 447 14:10 < scott-upstairs> holstein, do you think it should be more generic?
 448 14:10  * holstein shrugs
 449 14:10 < holstein> doesnt have to be
 450 14:10 < scott-upstairs> my original thoughts were to celebrate our changes/improvements
 451 14:10 < holstein> yeah, i can get on board with that
 452 14:10 < scott-upstairs> to sell them as "better", which i think they are
 453 14:10 -!- lostnbronx [~lostnbron@74-37-171-107.br1.sho.az.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting
 454 14:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
 455 14:11 < MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
 456 14:11 < scott-upstairs> right, we can push this for further meetings and try to drum up support and develop things
 457 14:11 < astraljava> I'm not into marketing and stuff, but I can help with technicals if needed.
 458 14:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to get libre ad timetable information
 459 14:11 < MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to get libre ad timetable information
 460 14:12 < holstein> [action] astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
 461 14:12 < MootBot> ACTION received:  astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
 462 14:12 < holstein> cool... moving on
 463 14:12 < holstein> [topic] Advocacy ideas
 464 14:12 < MootBot> New Topic:  Advocacy ideas
 465 14:12 < holstein> [action] start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
 466 14:13 < MootBot> ACTION received:  start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
 467 14:13 < holstein> [action] holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
 468 14:13 < MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
 469 14:13 < scott-upstairs> holstein, did you get that fedora marketing link?
 470 14:13 < holstein> i want to have something folks can easlily link to to show folks 'the buzz'
 471 14:13 < holstein> scott-upstairs: im not sure... would you link it again?
 472 14:14 < holstein> so it gets counted
 473 14:14 < holstein> i want a place where folks can add their personal blogs such as http://dullass.blogspot.com/
 474 14:14 < scott-upstairs> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
 475 14:14 < holstein> i think the xubuntu team has a lot going on in this department, and im looking forward to emulating
 476 14:14 -!- Destine [~destine@ubuntu/member/Destine] has quit [Remote host closed the connection]
 477 14:15 < holstein> [action] for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
 478 14:15 < MootBot> ACTION received:  for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
 479 14:15 < holstein> not sure why that link didnt get counted*
 480 14:15 < holstein> anyways.. moving on
 481 14:16 < holstein> [topic] team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports
 482 14:16 < MootBot> New Topic:  team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports
 483 14:16 < scott-upstairs> here is the link for team reports:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports
 484 14:16 < scott-upstairs> it's not hard to do and this would be a great way for some newer person to help the team
 485 14:16 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i can help with this too i think
 486 14:16 < scott-upstairs> is anyone interested?
 487 14:16 < scott-upstairs> holstein, that would be outstanding my friend!
 488 14:16 < holstein> i used to do it a bit for our loco
 489 14:17 < holstein> [action] holstein to help with team reports
 490 14:17 < scott-upstairs> cool :)
 491 14:17 < MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to help with team reports
 492 14:17 < holstein> [topic] announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
 493 14:17 < MootBot> New Topic:  announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
 494 14:17 < holstein> * LightDM will replace GDM in Oneiric Ocelot
 495 14:18 < scott-upstairs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule is the new schedule for oneiric proper
 496 14:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: anything else in announcements?
 497 14:18 < scott-upstairs> and as holstein mentioned lightDM will be replacing GDM
 498 14:18 < scott-upstairs> this will mean some significant changes and will require hacking and testing
 499 14:18 < scott-upstairs> that's it for me
 500 14:18 < holstein> [topic] Any Other Business - OPEN
 501 14:18 < MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business - OPEN
 502 14:18 < astraljava> Which means we should have it in for alpha2, no?
 503 14:19 < scott-upstairs> okay, gotta run, kids are getting nuts downstairs and i need to help :/
 504 14:19 < holstein> astraljava: i would think
 505 14:19 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, it will be ready to test after we update the seeds/-settings package
 506 14:19 < holstein> we'll keep an eye on the updates as they come in though
 507 14:19 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Gotcha.
 508 14:19 < holstein> anyone else??
 509 14:19 < scott-upstairs> by the way, i'll post minutes on this later this week
 510 14:19 < holstein> questions, comments?
 511 14:19 < astraljava> On other business, I intend to look into tasks.
 512 14:19 < astraljava> ubuntustudio-desktop doesn't work for natty, nor oneiric.
 513 14:20 < astraljava> Not sure about earlier than that.
 514 14:20 < holstein> astraljava: i didnt try them actually
 515 14:20 < holstein> if you want, i'll help track that down sometime
 516 14:20 < astraljava> holstein: I'm afraid no one did.
 517 14:21 < holstein> if its an issue of testing, and looking at a log, i can do that
 518 14:21 < holstein> last time i tried was 10.04
 519 14:21 < holstein> anyways... onward and upward i say
 520 14:21 < holstein> astraljava: lets try and make sure we look at that in 11.10 :) 
 521 14:22 < holstein> anyways... if thats all..
 522 14:23 < holstein> [topic] next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted
 523 14:23 < MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted
 524 14:23 < holstein> [topic] next meeting chair
 525 14:23 < MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting chair
 526 14:23 < holstein> i dont mind to do it again, assuming im free*
 527 14:23 < holstein> anyone else interested?
 528 14:24 < holstein> [action] holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted
 529 14:24 < MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted
 530 14:24 < holstein> #endmeeting
 531 14:24 < MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:26.

   1 13:00 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with MootBot
   2 13:00 <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is holstein.
   3 13:01 <MootBot> New Topic:  agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5
   4 13:05 <MootBot> New Topic:  old buisness
   5 13:07 <MootBot> New Topic:  Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline
   6 13:08 <MootBot> ACTION received:  review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as needed
   7 13:11 <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically
   8 13:12 <MootBot> New Topic:  Website Update
   9 13:17 <MootBot> ACTION received:  scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans
  10 13:20 <MootBot> ACTION received:  vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted
  11 13:21 <MootBot> New Topic:  Menu changes
  12 13:26 <MootBot> Please vote on:  hold menu re-vamp til next cycle.
  13 13:28 <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4
  14 13:28 <MootBot> ACTION received:  postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04)
  15 13:28 <MootBot> New Topic:  XFCE/UI Changes
  16 13:29 <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg
  17 13:44 <MootBot> ACTION received:  Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially
  18 13:45 <MootBot> New Topic:  Documentation Updates
  19 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg
  20 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg
  21 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received:  http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg
  22 13:54 <MootBot> ACTION received:  falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report
  23 13:56 <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement
  24 13:56 <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation
  25 13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed
  26 13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting?
  27 13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received:  Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com
  28 13:59 <MootBot> New Topic:  New Applications
  29 14:00 <MootBot> ACTION received:  plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins
  30 14:00 <MootBot> ACTION received:  ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools
  31 14:01 <MootBot> ACTION received:  mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric
  32 14:05 <MootBot> New Topic:  Testing Procedures
  33 14:08 <MootBot> ACTION received:  astraljava to head up testing
  34 14:08 <MootBot> New Topic:  Libre Graphics Magazine Ad
  35 14:11 <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
  36 14:11 <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to get libre ad timetable information
  37 14:12 <MootBot> ACTION received:  astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad
  38 14:12 <MootBot> New Topic:  Advocacy ideas
  39 14:13 <MootBot> ACTION received:  start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
  40 14:13 <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update
  41 14:15 <MootBot> ACTION received:  for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing
  42 14:16 <MootBot> New Topic:  team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports
  43 14:17 <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to help with team reports
  44 14:17 <MootBot> New Topic:  announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule
  45 14:18 <MootBot> New Topic:  Any Other Business - OPEN
  46 14:23 <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted
  47 14:23 <MootBot> New Topic:  next meeting chair
  48 14:24 <MootBot> ACTION received:  holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted
  49 14:24 <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:26.
  50 14:24 <MootBot> Logs available at http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/