Jan4-2013

Meeting started by tgm4883 at 18:05:07 UTC. The full logs are available at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2013/ubuntu-meeting.2013-01-04-18.05.log.html .

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  • Open Floor

ACTION: tgm4883 (tgm4883, 18:13:42)

Meeting ended at 18:36:48 UTC.

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  • tgm4883 (41)
  • mhall119 (31)
  • CrestedNewt (17)

  • meetingology (4)

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  • 18:05:07 <tgm4883> #startmeeting Ubuntu TV weekly meeting

    18:05:07 <meetingology> Meeting started Fri Jan 4 18:05:07 2013 UTC. The chair is tgm4883. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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    18:05:34 <tgm4883> The agenda can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuTV/Meetings

    18:05:45 <tgm4883> Note that there is nothing on the agenda

    18:06:15 <CrestedNewt> is BobWeaver in? I don't see him

    18:06:29 <tgm4883> we pinged him, but I didn't see him around

    18:06:56 <tgm4883> Since there is nothing on the agenda, I'll open the floor to anyone that has anything to say and/or questions or comments

    18:07:03 <tgm4883> #topic Open Floor

    18:07:32 <mhall119> so, given the holidays since our last meeting, there probably isn't anything new to discuss

    18:07:44 <tgm4883> mhall119, my guess as well

    18:07:46 <CrestedNewt> Do we know the current status of development?

    18:07:55 <CrestedNewt> ie - where are we?

    18:08:05 <mhall119> except, well, omg! Phone!

    18:08:23 <tgm4883> CrestedNewt, I'm not aware of the current status of the non-mythtv parts

    18:08:29 <CrestedNewt> Ubuntu Phone is to be discussed later Big Grin :)

    18:08:35 <mhall119> CrestedNewt: I know bobweaver has been experimenting with different things on the old unity2d code

    18:08:43 <mhall119> I don't know if anything new has been done on the unity 3d port

    18:09:11 <CrestedNewt> OK, just so that I get this right .....

    18:09:21 <mhall119> tgm4883: how is the MythTV scope work going?

    18:09:29 <CrestedNewt> Bobweaver is working on the old 2D platform

    18:09:40 <mhall119> CrestedNewt: he's been working on both

    18:09:51 <CrestedNewt> and he is hoping to have a stable platform with which to move forwards?

    18:09:59 <mhall119> he's been porting to Unity 3d, but still using the 2d code for prototyping

    18:10:07 <tgm4883> The main scope is great. Playback of content works nicely and looks good

    18:10:13 <tgm4883> the guide data parts though....

    18:10:23 <mhall119> CrestedNewt: that's the goal, yes

    18:10:44 <CrestedNewt> mhall119 - ok that's good news

    18:10:49 <mhall119> tgm4883: the main scopes searches already recorded stuff?

    18:11:11 <tgm4883> Currently I'm seeing if upstream will add some stuff to the API so I don't have to do a query on each show just to get description

    18:11:25 <tgm4883> mhall119, yes, that part works great

    18:11:59 <mhall119> tgm4883: you can always just use the title in the search results, and only query for the description if they open it in a preview

    18:12:16 <tgm4883> I need to move the servicesapi.py file to it's own package though so I can separate the guide and playback scopes

    18:12:40 <tgm4883> mhall119, yea that is what I have it doing now, but then you can only search title/subtitle

    18:12:42 <mhall119> tgm4883: cool

    18:13:12 <tgm4883> But I'm not adding description back in unless I can get it to a reasonable run time

    18:13:17 <mhall119> tgm4883: maybe you can put a bit in the next blog post about your progress and how people can help you with it

    18:13:42 <tgm4883> #action tgm4883 18:13:42 * meetingology tgm4883

    18:13:59 <mhall119> any screenshot of the TV UI, even the old 2d one, showing results from MythTV would cause some excitement too

    18:14:20 <tgm4883> yea I need to work with bobweaver to get a TV UI setup for that

    18:14:27 <tgm4883> or have him do a couple screenshots

    18:15:47 <mhall119> Any ideas on what we can do with the new phone & SDK to capitalize on some of that buzz for the TV? 18:16:05 * tgm4883 shrugs

    18:16:09 <tgm4883> I haven't looked at phone much

    18:16:32 <mhall119> it's pretty cool, and the SDK is something that people should use to write TV apps too

    18:17:05 <mhall119> I'll talk to bobweaver about maybe getting some screenshots of the example app running on the TV UI, see if it's worth talking about

    18:18:11 <tgm4883> it's QML, so bobweaver should be happy

    18:18:49 <CrestedNewt> OK, in the UK atm there is a push on http://www.youview.com/features/ and http://go.sky.com/vod/page/tvListing.do

    18:18:51 <mhall119> yeah, he's already been in #ubuntu-phone

    18:19:47 <CrestedNewt> the sky solution allows video on the move .... but it requires silverlight

    18:19:52 <mhall119> tgm4883: your guide scope, is that using MythTV as it's backend?

    18:20:00 <tgm4883> mhall119, yes

    18:20:29 <mhall119> and can MythTV use the sources CrestedNewt just mentioned?

    18:21:00 <tgm4883> mhall119, err, it's not like that

    18:21:42 <tgm4883> mhall119, so you can think of mythtv similar to how we're thinking about ubuntu tv (or vice versa). Mythtv has a backend and a frontend (in the case of Ubuntu TV, we're basically just making a UTV a frontend)

    18:22:04 <tgm4883> any online sources and such that mythtv could use, would be mythtv frontend plugins

    18:22:15 <tgm4883> which don't make sense here, we'd just make them unity scopes

    18:22:40 <tgm4883> unless i'm not understanding what these things are

    18:23:13 <mhall119> oh, ok, so tv guides aren't being stored in the backend?

    18:23:33 <CrestedNewt> both of the sites I posted are 'historical' VOD services.... I was just thinking about the tie in with ubuntu_phone

    18:23:45 <tgm4883> yes, the tv guide is stored in the backend, but this looks to be more than just a tv guide

    18:24:06 <mhall119> oh, ok

    18:24:28 <CrestedNewt> no probs - I just thought that I would clear that up Big Grin :)

    18:24:33 <mhall119> I was mostly interested in just the tv guide data, if MythTV can support multiple sources, then we only need a single source to get it out of MythTV

    18:24:52 <mhall119> makes our job easier that way

    18:25:25 <tgm4883> mhall119, you should get guide data from the same place that you are scheduling recordings

    18:25:29 <tgm4883> so in this case, mythtv

    18:26:05 <tgm4883> mythtv supports schedules direct and XMLTV I think

    18:26:30 <mhall119> ok

    18:26:39 <tgm4883> well, and EPG

    18:26:43 <tgm4883> but that sucks in the US

    18:27:59 <tgm4883> so with mythtv, you can have multiple sources, and you might have a different set of guide data for each source (which is why I say tie the two together)

    18:28:35 <tgm4883> from the UTV POV, the only source if mythtv (and mythtv figures out all the other important stuff)

    18:29:45 <mhall119> sounds good to me

    18:29:55 <tgm4883> yea the more I look at youview, the more it sounds like it should be a scope

    18:30:03 <CrestedNewt> OK, blue sky stuff here for future discussion but I think that it needs to be noted somewhere..... Sky offer this planner http://tv.sky.com/tv-guide#/day/0 and you can then decide to record from this service as well as getting more programme information. The record function is only available if you are a Sky subscriber. DO NOTHING WITH THIS YET but views for later on would be good.

    18:31:19 <mhall119> CrestedNewt: where does that record it to? your local hardware, or something on their network?

    18:31:58 <CrestedNewt> sends a signal through satellite to your box which has a viewing card. These are linked to your username

    18:32:11 <mhall119> ah, ok

    18:32:29 <tgm4883> looks like there is a sky DVR box too

    18:32:32 <tgm4883> with storage

    18:33:00 <CrestedNewt> yes - the top of range box has 1080i output and a 1 TB HDD

    18:35:21 <mhall119> alright, any other topics to discuss?

    18:35:31 <tgm4883> I've got none

    18:35:53 <CrestedNewt> I have none - other than I need to get something to document Big Grin :)

    18:36:17 <mhall119> alright, I'll try and get some information from Canonical's side about how the new Phone stuff might be impacting the TV, and vice-versa, to see how it all should fit together

    18:36:27 <mhall119> and we'll get with bobweaver when he's online for some screenshots and stuff

    18:36:36 <tgm4883> sounds good

    18:36:37 <CrestedNewt> mhall119 - good man!!

    18:36:44 <mhall119> alright, thanks guys!

    18:36:48 <tgm4883> #endmeeting

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