20110526
May 26th, 2011, 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
Agenda
Meeting Links
- Link to previous meeting
- Link to next meeting
Action Items from last meeting
- None
Standing Items
http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html
http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-1.html
- Unity 2D Status
- Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati)
ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
QA Status (GrueMaster)
- Any Other Business
Meeting Outcome
[15:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting [15:59] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:59. The chair is NCommander. [15:59] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110526 [16:00] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110526 [16:00] <NCommander> *is having some issues with the wiki and 500 errors* [16:00] <NCommander> There are no action items from last meeting so ... [16:00] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html [16:00] <MootBot> New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html [16:00] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-1.html [16:00] <MootBot> New Topic: http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-alpha-1.html [16:01] <ogra_> still lots missing [16:01] <NCommander> and of course the WI tracker doesn't see any of my specs [16:01] <ogra_> but davidm said he would do an approval round [16:02] <ogra_> NCommander, they need to be approved first [16:02] <Guest40648> Yep I want to to approvals today [16:02] <ogra_> and have a prio [16:02] <ogra_> and indeed need to be assigned to oneiric [16:02] <ogra_> i see 6 for NCommander btw :) [16:03] <NCommander> yeah, a number thats bound to go up :-( [16:03] <ogra_> yes [16:03] <GrueMaster> I see none for me. Yippie! [16:03] <ogra_> heh [16:03] <NCommander> I sent a list of all the server specs to davidm. With the exception of the security/entropy one, they're all drafted and ready for review [16:03] <ogra_> you have at least two items on my specs [16:03] <GrueMaster> damn. :( [16:03] <ogra_> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/~davidm?searchtext=o-arm === Guest40648 is now known as davidm [16:04] <ogra_> that should be all our specs [16:04] <ogra_> if anything is missing we need to fix that === davidm is now known as Guest68947 [16:04] * ogra_ sees david has fun with nickserv [16:05] <NCommander> I don't think there's anything else on burndown charts [16:06] <NCommander> [topic] Unity 2D Status [16:06] <MootBot> New Topic: Unity 2D Status [16:06] <ogra_> well, action; everyone get their specs in the right state [16:06] <ogra_> before end of the week [16:06] * ogra_ guesses release team wants to review in the release meeting tomorrow [16:06] <NCommander> [action] everyone to get their specs in proper shape before end of the week [16:06] <MootBot> ACTION received: everyone to get their specs in proper shape before end of the week [16:06] <ogra_> NCommander, we too that one out btw [16:07] <ogra_> unity-2d is desktop team now [16:07] * ogra_ though we discussed that last week) [16:07] <davidm_> See if I stay davidm this time [16:07] <ogra_> heh [16:07] <ogra_> just be nice to nickserv :) [16:07] <davidm_> sometimes nickserv hates me [16:08] <NCommander> flower and candy are a good way to sooth rough feelings [16:08] <ogra_> heh [16:08] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati) [16:08] <MootBot> New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, rsalveti, ppisati) [16:08] <ogra_> davidm_, since you missed it [16:08] <ogra_> <ogra_> well, action; everyone get their specs in the right state [16:08] <ogra_> <ogra_> before end of the week [16:08] <ogra_> ACTION received: everyone to get their specs in proper shape before end of the week [16:08] <ogra_> davidm_, i suspect the release team will want to review [16:08] <davidm_> Actually I need to get to it today as today is the deadline [16:08] <rsalveti> bug 770679 is now fixed commited [16:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 770679 in u-boot-linaro (Ubuntu Oneiric) "Missing proper support for Beagle XM rev B and C" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/770679 [16:09] <ogra_> so we need to get them ready before meeting [16:09] <rsalveti> only major change for kernel [16:09] <rsalveti> still long way to hit the archive [16:09] * ppisati is here too [16:09] <ogra_> rsalveti, thats .proposed though [16:09] <ogra_> any oneiric news you want to share ? [16:09] <rsalveti> ogra_: not yet proposed [16:10] <ogra_> well, will be :) [16:10] <ppisati> nothing i'm aware off: at last TI call someone mentioned a .39 tree, wwaiting for it to appear [16:10] <janimo> omap4 still remains a separate source for O ? [16:10] <ppisati> yes [16:11] <ppisati> still a topic branch [16:11] <ogra_> yup [16:11] <ppisati> we will cherry pick CVE and stable updates from master [16:11] <ppisati> no rebase (unfrotunately) [16:11] <ogra_> until mainline is on par feature wise [16:11] <ppisati> actually i'll try (but since ompa4 is so big i'm pretty sure i'll fail) [16:12] <ppisati> btw, can anyone add me to the invitation of the weekly TI conf call? [16:12] <ogra_> ppisati, talk to ndec in #ubuntu-arm [16:12] <ogra_> he owns the invitation iirc [16:12] <ppisati> ok [16:13] <ogra_> NCommander, move ? [16:13] <davidm_> ppisati, done, you are added [16:13] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [16:13] <MootBot> New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [16:14] <ppisati> davidm_: thanks [16:14] <janimo> nothing here [16:14] * NCommander hides in fear of the FTBFS list [16:14] <janimo> a bit of bug triaging in the KInaro Jam [16:14] <ogra_> 31 packages in main isnt that bad [16:14] <janimo> the nasty oes from natty are still here [16:15] <janimo> as they are upstream issues [16:15] <ogra_> only 8 arm specific [16:15] <NCommander> true [16:15] <NCommander> and some of that seems to be ghc blew up [16:15] <ogra_> dbus, upstart and libnih look serious [16:15] <NCommander> yeah [16:16] <ogra_> i gave back dbus and upstart already [16:16] <ogra_> and the failures are weird segfaults [16:16] <janimo> ld segfaults iirc [16:16] <NCommander> Great [16:16] <ogra_> yep [16:16] <NCommander> Has anyone reproduced out of the data center? [16:16] <janimo> same in chromium [16:16] <ogra_> do we know if anyone is inspecting that on the toolchain side ? [16:17] <janimo> Linaro know about it, I am not sure what the status is [16:17] <ogra_> oh, also note that we will switch seeds this release [16:17] <GrueMaster> Buh??? [16:17] <janimo> to ubuntu-desktop? [16:17] <ogra_> so look at the desktop seed once the first images roll in [16:17] <ogra_> right [16:17] <GrueMaster> ok [16:17] <ogra_> netbook will go away [16:18] <NCommander> ogra_: do you want to follow up with Linaro w.r.t. binutils segfaults? [16:18] <janimo> so our images get larger as well? will we ship the same ubuntu desktop metapackage? [16:18] <ogra_> NCommander, well, would at least be good to know a bugnumber [16:19] <ogra_> janimo, do you know if there is one (since you seem to know that linaro knows about it) [16:19] <davidm_> We might need to make our own seed, I don'think we want all of desktop on ARM [16:20] <ogra_> thats fine [16:20] <janimo> ogra_, no idea, I just saw it discussed on #linaro [16:20] <ogra_> we can do per-arch excludes [16:20] <ogra_> no need for an extra seed [16:20] <ogra_> NCommander, then put an action item on for me [16:20] <janimo> did not follow FTBFS lately as it seemed there were large rebuilds and I was waiting for it to settle down [16:20] <NCommander> [action] ogra to trim down desktop seed on ARM [16:20] <MootBot> ACTION received: ogra to trim down desktop seed on ARM [16:20] <ogra_> NCommander, ?? [16:20] <NCommander> ogra_: what? [16:21] <ogra_> "<NCommander> ogra_: do you want to follow up with Linaro w.r.t. binutils segfaults?" [16:21] <NCommander> oh [16:21] <ogra_> i was referring to that one [16:21] <NCommander> wrong followup :-P [16:21] <ogra_> i dont need an action item for my day to day work :P [16:21] <NCommander> [action] ogra to follow up with Linaro on binutils segfault [16:21] <MootBot> ACTION received: ogra to follow up with Linaro on binutils segfault [16:21] <GrueMaster> Hard to follow the multiple topics of the meeting. [16:21] * ogra_ has nothing else for ftbfs [16:22] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (NCommander, ogra) [16:22] <MootBot> New Topic: ARM Image Status (NCommander, ogra) [16:22] <ogra_> dead [16:22] <ogra_> but i think cjwatson built the first x86 images today [16:22] <janimo> eta for live helper? [16:22] * NCommander is making funeral perperations :-( [16:22] <ogra_> so it shouldnt be long anymore [16:22] <ogra_> and its still 2 weeks to A1 [16:22] <NCommander> then we get to re-implement evertyhing for l-h [16:22] <cjwatson> yesterday [16:22] <ogra_> so chances are good we can make it [16:23] <GrueMaster> I estimate image availability the day before A1. [16:23] <cjwatson> janimo: not necessarily for a1 [16:23] <ogra_> cjwatson, wohoo [16:23] <cjwatson> still using livecd-rootfs for now [16:23] <ogra_> ah [16:23] <ogra_> when do you plan the final switch ? [16:23] <cjwatson> when it's ready [16:23] <ogra_> heh [16:23] <GrueMaster> good plan. [16:23] <ogra_> k [16:23] <NCommander> I don't think their is much mor eon this point [16:24] <cjwatson> if I can make it before a1, I will, but I'm not promising anything [16:24] <ogra_> k [16:24] <NCommander> thanks cjwatson [16:24] <cjwatson> the CD image cron jobs are back on now [16:25] <GrueMaster> wrt netboot images, make sure we have both uImage/uInitrd & vmlinuz/initrd.img available [16:25] <NCommander> \o/ [16:25] <ogra_> so we should have something to test (if it builds) [16:25] <cjwatson> so unless GrueMaster knows something I don't, they should build tomorrow [16:25] <ogra_> GrueMaster, will do [16:25] <ogra_> GrueMaster, i also plan a "mini iso" as well [16:25] <GrueMaster> I'm just speaking from experience as the QA guy that has last minute image testing to do...always. [16:25] <NCommander> anything else on this subject or can I move on? [16:25] <GrueMaster> :P [16:26] <ogra_> move [16:26] * NCommander moves to New York [16:26] <NCommander> :-P [16:26] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) [16:26] <MootBot> New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster) [16:26] <ogra_> haha [16:26] <GrueMaster> Hey, that's me. Isn't that special. [16:26] <GrueMaster> Work continues on usbboot. [16:26] <ogra_> wowie [16:27] <GrueMaster> Issues still with aboot, but we have enough to enable the buildd farm. [16:27] <ogra_> GrueMaster, btw, it would be good to know if there is a usb0 after boot [16:27] <ogra_> then we wouldnt need the conventional network for netcatting the tarball but could pull it via usbnet [16:27] <GrueMaster> There is. Networking and usb ports both function (My keyboard/mouse is on one, usb drive on the other). [16:27] <ogra_> i mean a usbnet device [16:28] <ogra_> (the g_ether module being loaded) [16:28] <ogra_> well, lets discuss that offline [16:28] <GrueMaster> Missing are mmc and reboot. mmc is mia, reboot causes the kernel to hang at the end with message: Rebooting. [16:28] <ogra_> hmpf [16:28] <GrueMaster> Oh, that requires musb to work. [16:28] <ogra_> we dont need mmc so i dont care [16:28] <GrueMaster> Which it doesn't. [16:29] <ogra_> in kernel ? [16:29] <GrueMaster> I need mmc for automation testing. [16:29] <ogra_> hmm, i thought that worked [16:29] <GrueMaster> Nope. [16:29] <ogra_> gar [16:29] <ogra_> k, then its conventional network, sad [16:29] <ppisati> IIRC musb is broken upstream [16:29] <ogra_> usb would have been sexier [16:29] <ppisati> since .38.x where i don't remeber the x [16:30] <GrueMaster> musb has never worked in .38 that I know of. [16:30] <GrueMaster> Last worked in .35. [16:30] <GrueMaster> iirc. [16:30] <ogra_> well [16:30] <ogra_> moot discussion then [16:31] <GrueMaster> Back to usbboot. I am very concerned about the copyright issues with the source. [16:31] <ogra_> well, for internal use thats a non issue [16:31] <ogra_> for packaging it thats a disaster [16:31] <GrueMaster> Right. [16:32] <ogra_> did you start conversation with upstream ? [16:32] <NCommander> ogra_: w.r.t. to copyright, if the code is invalid, we can't use it, internatl or not. [16:33] <GrueMaster> For initial deployment, I should have it working fully by eod tomorrow. For packaging and future automation, I am looking to do a rewrite, at least for the host side. Not much to it, shouldn't take too long (2-3 days max). [16:33] <ogra_> NCommander, as long as we dont distribute it ... [16:33] <NCommander> ogra_: I'm not going to argue specifics during this meeting, but I'll be glad to discuss in private [16:34] <ogra_> sure [16:34] <GrueMaster> The mods needed for immediate deployment are fairly trivial and can be pushed upstream. [16:35] <NCommander> can I move on? [16:35] <GrueMaster> I am also gearing up to review lava for our use. [16:35] <GrueMaster> Currently, it will not work with our images. Looking to see what modifications need to be in place for that. [16:35] <GrueMaster> Done. [16:36] <davidm_> I'm sure we can sort license issues, I'm in contact with upstream [16:36] <NCommander> [topic] AOB] [16:36] <MootBot> New Topic: AOB] [16:36] <ogra_> is it a requirement that all images get tested with lava ? [16:36] <ogra_> or could we just define a certain set of i.e. images that work ootb [16:36] * ogra_ could imagine the mini iso might work just fine [16:37] <ogra_> or any other alternate ones [16:37] <GrueMaster> I was told to get lava working on some of our images. headless & server are prime candidates. [16:37] <ogra_> well, mini iso with server preseed file should get you that [16:37] <ogra_> it can test isos too, right ? [16:38] <GrueMaster> no. [16:38] <ogra_> (i mean for x86) [16:38] <ogra_> err [16:38] <GrueMaster> It currently works with linaro style images & hw packs. [16:38] <ogra_> why the heck are we forced to use it then ? i thought its the "save the world" solution for all image testing automation [16:38] * ogra_ wasnt aware thats only used for linaro tarballs [16:38] <GrueMaster> Not my call. Way beyond my pay grade. [16:39] <ogra_> hmpf [16:39] <ogra_> then i dont understand the hype [16:39] <GrueMaster> That's why it is called the Linaro Automated Validation App. [16:39] <ogra_> right, still i thought the plan was to have all images tested on it [16:40] <GrueMaster> The front end is pretty good. It is the back end that needs rework. Unfortunately, it is all combined in one atm. [16:40] <GrueMaster> It isn't modular. [16:40] <ogra_> oh, like livecd-rootfs :) [16:40] <GrueMaster> Never having seen that, I can only guess. [16:40] * ogra_ likes non modular after looking at live-build today :P ) [16:41] <ogra_> anyway, no more questions for QA here [16:41] <GrueMaster> You want modular, but in an intelligent way. [16:42] <GrueMaster> Otherwise we would be stuck with a hugh kernel binary that loaded every driver under the sun. [16:42] * ogra_ doesnt want too modular :) [16:42] * NCommander would rather just refactor livecd-rootfs into modules [16:42] <NCommander> :-P [16:42] <ogra_> NCommander, ++++++++++++ [16:42] <ogra_> +++ [16:42] <ogra_> and + [16:42] <GrueMaster> The proper way to do it is with libraries and function calls. [16:42] <ogra_> but i guess we cant have that pony [16:42] <GrueMaster> At least that was what I did in my old days of automation development. [16:43] <ogra_> well, for shell scripts thats different :) [16:43] <GrueMaster> Not just shell scripts. [16:43] <ogra_> i agree for C code though ... [16:43] <ogra_> but we somehow get offtopic :) [16:44] <GrueMaster> I'm done unless someone has other questions on QA. [16:44] <NCommander> anything got anything else? [16:45] <NCommander> if not, I'll close the meeting [16:45] <ogra_> go for it [16:45] <NCommander> closing in 3 [16:45] <NCommander> 2 [16:45] <NCommander> 1 [16:45] <NCommander> #endmeeting [16:45] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 10:45.
Action Items
- ogra to trim down desktop seed on ARM
- ogra to follow up with Linaro on binutils segfault
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