20111201
December 01st, 2011, 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
Agenda
Meeting Links
- Link to previous meeting
- Link to next meeting
Action Items from last meeting
- None
Standing Items
- ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey)
- Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati)
ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo)
- ARM Hardfloat status (infinity)
ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander)
QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh)
- Linaro Updates (rsalveti)
- Any Other Business
Weekly Reports
Meeting Outcome
- Review of specifications, and work items for P cycle
[14:59] <NCommander> #startmeeting [14:59] <meetingology> Meeting started Thu Dec 1 14:59:53 2011 UTC. The chair is NCommander. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [14:59] <meetingology> Available commands: #accept #accepted #action #agree #agreed #chair #commands #endmeeting #endvote #halp #help #idea #info #link #lurk #meetingname #meetingtopic #nick #progress #rejected #replay #restrictlogs #save #startmeeting #subtopic #topic #unchair #undo #unlurk #vote #voters #votesrequired [15:00] <NCommander> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20111201 [15:01] <NCommander> so who's here? [15:01] <ogra_> o/ === bladernr_afk is now known as bladernr_ [15:01] * GrueMaster is self-caffinating. [15:02] <NCommander> ok, I think we have enough people [15:03] <NCommander> We have no action items from last meeting, so [15:03] <NCommander> [topic] Standing Items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Standing Items [15:03] <NCommander> #link http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-precise/ubuntu-arm.html [15:03] <ogra_> just because you didnt note them down :P [15:03] <ogra_> i was supposed to get the Wi tracker filled :) [15:03] <ogra_> if anyone is missing a spec he works on, please let me know [15:04] <infinity> I probably need to go through all mine and make them sane. [15:04] <NCommander> ogra_: oh d'oh. I grepped for #action in the log but I used [action] >.<; [15:04] <infinity> I've been too busy working to work. [15:04] <NCommander> I need to be consistent or my greps break [15:04] <ogra_> well, at least make sure they are targeted for precise and approved [15:04] <ogra_> (thats for everyone, to have your spec show up these two need to be true) [15:05] <ogra_> and it helps if they have an owner ... i think there is one jani spec that doesnt yet [15:05] <ogra_> (i'll talk to him when he is around) [15:05] <ogra_> NCommander, move [15:05] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [15:06] <NCommander> Not muchto say here [15:06] <NCommander> so [15:06] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:07] <ogra_> paolo is moving and not online until monday [15:07] <ogra_> afaik he spammed GrueMaster with some SRU kernels though :) [15:07] <ogra_> cooloney was working on an internal project for me so i doubt he would have much to report [15:07] <GrueMaster> Only SRU kernel I currently have is for Oneiric omap4. Finished testing yesterday. [15:08] <GrueMaster> I also tested a slew of test kernels for bug 861296. [15:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 861296 in linux (Ubuntu) "mmap fails to allocate 2030Mb heap on ARM" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/861296 [15:08] <GrueMaster> It should make the next SRU release. [15:10] <ogra_> well, its mainly important for the buildds [15:10] <GrueMaster> yes. [15:11] <NCommander> #optic ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:11] <NCommander> #topic ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:11] <NCommander> helps if I spell it right [15:11] <jhobbs> what is FTBFS [15:11] <NCommander> jhobbs: Failure to Build from Source [15:12] <infinity> jhobbs: Failure To Build From Source. [15:12] <jhobbs> thanks [15:12] <ogra_> well, we should all help on armhf currently [15:12] <infinity> And with a new port online, I'd like to encourage everyone to look at the armhf FTBFS lists and go to town. [15:12] <ogra_> just grab a failed build [15:13] <infinity> (There will be a mass-give-back in a couple of hours, so... After that) :P [15:13] <ogra_> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html [15:13] <ogra_> there is the overview [15:13] <jhobbs> thanks, i was about to ask for that =) [15:14] <ogra_> how about the "normal" ftbfs ... NCommander anything noticeable ? [15:14] <NCommander> jhobbs: feel free to poke any of us in #ubuntu-arm if you need help with FTBFS fixing [15:14] <NCommander> ogra_: I haven't reviewed the list extensively since last week [15:16] * ogra_ neither, i was watching hf all the time [15:16] <ogra_> ruby needs some love there [15:17] <ogra_> on the non hf [15:17] <ogra_> and ooooh surprise !!! [15:17] <ogra_> telepathy-glib [15:17] <ogra_> :P [15:17] <NCommander> if anyone says mono, I'm jumping off the tallest building I can find [15:18] <ogra_> mono is over and out :P [15:18] <GrueMaster> I think doko pinged us about ruby a few days ago in #ubuntu-arm. [15:18] <ogra_> for hf i thought [15:18] <infinity> mono has a few more testsuite failures on armhf than it does on armel, otherwise fine. [15:18] <ogra_> where it has a timeout [15:18] * GrueMaster shouts "MONO LIVES" [15:18] <ogra_> lol [15:18] <infinity> ruby is suffering testsuite timeouts, yeah. [15:18] <infinity> We'll have to poke at that. [15:19] <infinity> I'm told it might be a kernel bug. :/ [15:19] <infinity> Related to the test timeouts I saw with python and perl (transiently, apparently) as well. [15:19] <ogra_> well, is that true for non hf ? [15:20] <infinity> Sometimes, maybe. [15:20] <ogra_> ah, yeah [15:20] <infinity> It's a bit vague. [15:20] <ogra_> it is [15:20] <ogra_> same error message in the log [15:20] <ogra_> well, lets move [15:21] <ogra_> NCommander, ... [15:21] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Hardfloat status (infinity) [15:21] <ogra_> it builds !!! [15:21] <ogra_> (some packages at least) [15:21] <GrueMaster> How close are we to getting armhf images? I would imagine core would be first. [15:21] <ogra_> i have also added info about it to the A1 announcement [15:22] <ogra_> GrueMaster, a week or two for core i would guess [15:22] <infinity> Core could be only a few days away, depending on effort put in. [15:22] <infinity> And luck. [15:22] <infinity> Other images, dunno. [15:22] <ogra_> yeah, others will take lots of time i would guess [15:22] <infinity> We have two toolchain bugs we're still fixing, but other than that, it's just a lot of grunt work and CPU time. [15:23] <GrueMaster> Need kernel support, I would assume? [15:23] <ogra_> not in A2 timeframe i bet [15:23] <infinity> kernels would be nice. [15:23] <ogra_> according to kernel team they are uploaded [15:23] <infinity> ogra_: Kernel team only does omap. [15:23] <ogra_> omap4 too [15:23] <ogra_> paolo ... [15:24] <ogra_> i talked to jani, he is aware that we should get ac100 onto hf as well [15:24] <ogra_> not sure what to do for mx5 [15:24] <infinity> Yeah, there's been no linux-ti-omap4 upload yet. [15:24] <infinity> jcrigby would be the man to bug about mx5. [15:24] <infinity> Anyhow. We'll sort it. [15:24] <ogra_> yep [15:25] <GrueMaster> We are still running the Oneiric omap4 kernel. Should be resolved next week though. [15:25] <infinity> Kernels don't do us much good just yet anyway. If they land in a week or so, I'm happy. [15:25] <ogra_> GrueMaster, hopefully soon, we need 4460 fixes [15:26] <ogra_> NCommander, move ? [15:26] <NCommander> ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:26] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:26] <ogra_> we have A1's !! [15:27] <ogra_> apart from the omap network issue seems they look all good [15:27] <ogra_> *really* good given its A1 [15:27] <ogra_> kudos to GrueMaster for the test effort !!! [15:27] <ogra_> awesome work [15:27] <GrueMaster> heh [15:27] <NCommander> +1 GrueMaster [15:27] <ogra_> nothing else from me [15:28] <GrueMaster> The images oddly are not much different from Oneiric. [15:28] <ogra_> yeah [15:28] <infinity> Good. :P [15:28] <ogra_> we didnt change a thing but general package updates [15:28] <ogra_> NCommander, move [15:29] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster, mahmoh) [15:29] <GrueMaster> On the daily image build issue, I only show 1 fewer on armel vs x86 since the opening of P [15:29] <GrueMaster> sigh. [15:29] <NCommander> ? [15:29] <GrueMaster> Automation work on SRU testing is going strong. Lot of fixes to the wrt test suite. [15:29] <infinity> This is an upsetting statistic? [15:29] <NCommander> GrueMaster: seems the archive skew patch is doing its job [15:30] <NCommander> Archive skew though isn't the only reason images may fail to exist, just the most common [15:30] <GrueMaster> s/wrt/qrt [15:30] <ogra_> yeah [15:30] <ogra_> pretty well it seems [15:30] <NCommander> #chair ogra [15:30] <meetingology> Warning: Nick not in channel: ogra [15:30] <meetingology> Current chairs: NCommander ogra [15:30] <NCommander> #chair ogra_ [15:30] <meetingology> Current chairs: NCommander ogra ogra_ [15:31] <GrueMaster> With NCommander's help, I can now automate Natty installs for SRU testing. Once we have Maverick, I can automate 90% of the SRU process. [15:31] <NCommander> brb [15:31] <ogra_> awesome !!! [15:32] <NCommander> back, sorry about that [15:32] <GrueMaster> Still running into issues with the qrt tests. For every 3 fixes to make them work on arm, a new "feature" gets added that breaks. [15:32] <ogra_> fun [15:32] <GrueMaster> Which means I need to review and figure out why they broke. [15:33] <NCommander> I'm working on cooking the maverick voodoo now [15:33] <ogra_> move ? [15:33] <GrueMaster> I would like to propose that going forward, we enable netinstall for all supported platforms, as it will greatly help in future SRU testing efforts. [15:34] <NCommander> #topic Linaro Updates (rsalveti) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Linaro Updates (rsalveti) [15:34] * rsalveti waves [15:34] <rsalveti> our planning for the 11.12 is done already! [15:34] <NCommander> GrueMaster: we almost always do, omap was an exception to that rule (I always do enablement with netboot images, but the omap4 booting from SD card pre-empted that design at first) [15:34] <rsalveti> https://launchpad.net/linaro-dev-platform/+milestone/11.12 [15:34] <rsalveti> please have a look at the blueprints we have [15:34] <rsalveti> and subscribe if you want to be updated about the progress [15:35] <rsalveti> the u-boot related ones are the most interesting for the images I believe [15:35] <NCommander> rsalveti: is there a status.linaro.org page or something? [15:35] <rsalveti> we'll try to enable SPL for omap 3 and also try to have only one SPL that would work for omap 3 and 4 [15:35] <rsalveti> NCommander: yes, but still need some rework [15:35] <ogra_> rsalveti, is the settop box stuff being worked on with the #ubuntu-tv team ? [15:35] <rsalveti> because we changed our process a little bit [15:36] <rsalveti> ogra_: not yet I believe, something we need to discuss with them [15:36] <rsalveti> don't know if they are interested on xmbc for now [15:36] <rsalveti> or if they want to create a different solution [15:36] <ogra_> well, they are working on UI elements on top of the player SW [15:36] <rsalveti> what we're trying to do is to enable the needed patches to make it working fine wiht omap 4 [15:36] <rsalveti> like, making it to work with glesv2 and gstreamer [15:37] <rsalveti> ogra_: oh, ok, so will sync with them [15:37] <ogra_> i.e. unity adjustments to run on top of a running stream/tv show etc [15:37] <rsalveti> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/linaro-ubuntu/+spec/push-multiarch-changes-for-cross-precise [15:37] <rsalveti> this is also going to affect precise [15:37] <ogra_> thats the one smagoun is intrested in, right = [15:37] <ogra_> ?` [15:37] <rsalveti> and hopefully firefox will be cross-buildable at precise at the end of the month [15:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: yes [15:38] <rsalveti> ogra_: but the other one that smagoun created is still to be approved it seems [15:38] <rsalveti> let me try to find it [15:38] <ogra_> not sure who has to do that [15:39] <rsalveti> maybe foundations? [15:39] <ogra_> might be [15:39] <ogra_> wasnt that cross live-build stuff ? [15:39] <rsalveti> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/ubuntu-arm-p-cross-compilable-packages [15:39] <ogra_> ah [15:39] <rsalveti> this is the one related with cross build enablement [15:40] <ogra_> well, if yours gets implemented i dont see a reason to have an ubuntu one as well [15:40] <rsalveti> sure, but ours is more related with firefox atm [15:40] <ogra_> effectively they will implement the same [15:40] <rsalveti> this was related with ubuntu-core and a few other packages [15:40] <ogra_> right [15:40] <rsalveti> I was just worried that this is not yet approved [15:40] <rsalveti> and don't know who is responsible for it at the ubuntu side [15:40] <ogra_> well, we wont have resources i bet ... [15:41] <rsalveti> something to check with smagoun [15:41] <ogra_> once there are hf images etc we will get very very busy [15:41] <ogra_> yup [15:41] <rsalveti> ogra_: yeah [15:41] <rsalveti> another one that we just need to be approved is the libjpeg-turbo one [15:41] <rsalveti> let me find the link [15:41] <ogra_> though server is currently on halt ... probably NCommander is bored enough to look at this spec :) [15:41] <ogra_> why does that need a spec ? [15:41] <rsalveti> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/replace-libjpeg-by-libjpeg-turbo [15:42] <ogra_> i thought thats just a transition and already approved [15:42] <rsalveti> ogra_: kate request this blueprint to be created [15:42] <ogra_> k [15:42] <rsalveti> tom gall is working on it [15:42] <ogra_> yep [15:42] * NCommander wimpers [15:42] <rsalveti> but she also wanted a bp to track the work [15:42] <fabo> ogra_: it ins't approved yet [15:42] <rsalveti> davidm: can you approve this blueprint? [15:42] <ogra_> tell him to ping me if he needs sponsoring [15:42] <rsalveti> ogra_: sure [15:42] <infinity> ogra_: It's already well underway with Foundations. [15:43] <infinity> ogra_: Including much back and forth review and critique. [15:43] <ogra_> yeah, thoght so [15:43] <rsalveti> guess this is just to track the work [15:43] <ogra_> so probably foundations should own it [15:43] <rsalveti> so it can be part of status and so on [15:43] <ogra_> doesnt really seem arm related given we will switch for all arches [15:43] <rsalveti> yeah, fair enough [15:43] <rsalveti> so will check the other with smagoun and this with foundations [15:44] <rsalveti> guess that's all form my side then [15:44] <rsalveti> any question? [15:44] <ogra_> any heavy u-boot breakage we need to be prepared for ? [15:44] <rsalveti> ogra_: not atm [15:44] <ogra_> apart from changing the build scripts for new MLO [15:44] <ogra_> great ! [15:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: once we have a newer version or a big change, we'll let you know about it [15:45] <ogra_> oh [15:45] <ogra_> rsalveti, have you seen the hf discussion above ? [15:45] <NCommander> thanks rsalveti [15:45] <ogra_> we will need hf as target arch in mx5 [15:45] <ogra_> since linaro maintains that kernel [15:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: sure [15:45] <ogra_> i guess you want a bug ? [15:45] <rsalveti> ogra_: we just need to know when we'll be able to push the package [15:46] <ogra_> now :) [15:46] <infinity> rsalveti: Yesterday. [15:46] <ogra_> or tomorrow [15:46] <rsalveti> ogra_: great [15:46] <ogra_> or so :) [15:46] <rsalveti> so are we able to bootstrap armhf already? [15:46] <ogra_> no hurry, but it should happen at some point [15:46] <infinity> Almost. [15:46] <NCommander> rsalveti: we have it building in LP [15:46] <rsalveti> last I saw infinity was still fighting with it [15:46] <ogra_> rsalveti, we're building already [15:47] <rsalveti> great then, will talk with jcrigby then [15:47] <rsalveti> thanks for the heads up [15:47] <infinity> --variant=minbase should work in about an hour. :P [15:47] <infinity> (And I'll have core images building tonight) [15:47] <rsalveti> infinity: :-) [15:47] <infinity> GrueMaster: --^ [15:47] <GrueMaster> Yea. [15:47] <NCommander> go infinity go [15:47] <ogra_> http://qa.ubuntuwire.org/ftbfs/primary-precise-armhf.html [15:47] <ogra_> rsalveti, ^^ [15:48] <rsalveti> ogra_: thanks [15:48] <infinity> Okay, maybe in two hours. [15:48] <ogra_> NCommander, move [15:48] <infinity> I'll just settle for "tonight". ;) [15:48] * ogra_ translates "tonight -> monday" :P [15:49] <rsalveti> monday is still fine ;-) [15:49] <ogra_> infinite optimism ... ;) [15:49] <ogra_> ... from infinity [15:49] <NCommander> #topic AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:50] * ogra_ has nothing [15:50] * NCommander also has nothing [15:50] <ogra_> anyone ? [15:50] <NCommander> going once [15:50] <NCommander> twice [15:51] <NCommander> three times [15:51] <NCommander> #endemeeting [15:51] <ogra_> heh [15:51] <ogra_> try again [15:51] <ogra_> #endmeeting
Action Items
- None
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