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   1 17:01 <@Bodsda> Welcome to the -dev fg meeting - Agenda can be found here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Meeting
   2 17:02 <@Bodsda> Anything not covered in the general discussion of the agenda items will be covered by any other business as youd expect - so lets start with the direction of the team
   3 17:03 <@Bodsda> This would be were the teams main focus is - and as this is open for discussion, i'll open the floor for suggestions
   4 17:04 < malev> Bodsda, I'm sorry, with direction, you mean: boss or the way that the team should takie?
   5 17:04 < malev> * take
   6 17:04 <@Bodsda> What should the teams main focus be - should it be helping new programmers, should it be integration with th Ubuntu community etc.
   7 17:05 < bgs100> Bodsda, Ohai
   8 17:05 <@Bodsda> hey bgs100
   9 17:05 < malev> helping with ubuntu project?
  10 17:05 < pleia2> malev: a few of us discuss ubuntu/debian packaging here
  11 17:05 < ddecator> well, since it's part of the beginners team, it seems like the focus should be helping beginners who are beginning software development (imo)
  12 17:06 < ddecator> #ubuntu-packaging can be used for packaging conversations
  13 17:06 < malev> for example, PSF has on their bugzilla directory some bugs that they consider: easy, so the beginners can take care of them.
  14 17:06 < pleia2> ddecator: argueably everything the BT does can be done elsewhere
  15 17:06 < malev> ddecator, agree, but the conversations are not for beginners
  16 17:06 < komputes> I like the idea or listing projects we are currently (or would like to) work on
  17 17:07 < ddecator> pleia2: true
  18 17:07 <@Bodsda> One idea, as pleia2 has said, is that some members think we should help new users with packaging. development is not just about programming and many new users wanting to contribute to the project think packaging is something they could do
  19 17:07 < bgs100> pedro3005, "\n" is a string consisting of a newline, '\n' is the character newline.
  20 17:07 < malev> komputes, I think that depend on the direction of the team
  21 17:07 < malev> Bodsda, pleia2 I like!
  22 17:08 <@Bodsda> any members care to comment - drubin Raidsong? :)
  23 17:08 <+Raidsong> not really
  24 17:08 < pedro3005> Is the team's purpose ubuntu development or developing in general?
  25 17:08 <+Raidsong> ive been reading though
  26 17:08 < ddecator> well the only thing is, idk if #ubuntu-packaging would be better for that since it was started with the intention of helping people package...
  27 17:09 < pedro3005> bgs100, I see, thanks. Any pragmatical difference to it?
  28 17:09 <@Bodsda> pedro3005: the team does nto focus on ubuntu development
  29 17:10 <@Bodsda> ddecator: everything is duplicated somewhere - but we focus on helping beginners, somethign which other teams do do, but do not focus on
  30 17:10 <+drubin> Bodsda: packaging is IMHO easier to pick up then programming.
  31 17:10 < pedro3005> If you meant "not", then it shouldn't, in my opinion, deal with packaging, at least not as a main focus
  32 17:10 < ddecator> drubin: +1
  33 17:10 <@Bodsda> drubin: agreed
  34 17:10 <+drubin> packaging is about standards and knowing where to put files
  35 17:10 <+drubin> programming is about learning concepts and other complicated things
  36 17:11 <+drubin> I think packaing is a nice way to go.. it is also much easier to explain
  37 17:11 <+drubin> although I know jacka bout packaging
  38 17:11 < bgs100> pedro3005, Yes. There's a big difference between a string and a char, and different types means different uses, functions, etc. '\n' is just the number 10, while "\n" is a number that points somewhere in memeory where there's a 10 and the next address is a 0.
  39 17:11 < ddecator> i think -packaging was made for beginners though because -motu started it due to so many people asking for help. persia knows more about it though, he started it
  40 17:12 <@Bodsda> drubin: we have many members who do though - nhandler for example. I think packaging should definately be something the team should persue
  41 17:12 < bgs100> s/is a/contains a/
  42 17:13 <@Bodsda> drubin: Raidsong - what about involvement with the MOTU - would this benefit from working with them, perhaps as the BT-dev being mentors for MOTU
  43 17:14 <+drubin> well I think bt-dev would be pre-curser to motu
  44 17:14 < malev> That would be nice, be cause, it is hard to ask really stupid question in the motu team.
  45 17:14 <+drubin> and I know I wont be able to mentor for motu currently
  46 17:14 <@Bodsda> So a starting point to familiarise with packaging
  47 17:15 < ddecator> i think that's better than focusing just on basic packaging
  48 17:15 <@Bodsda> malev: I agree
  49 17:15 < ddecator> packaging for a personal PPA is one thing, but preperation for motu is another. i like it =)
  50 17:16 <@Bodsda> What about bug triaging, patching - could this be another aspect we could be a beginners point of contact for?
  51 17:16 < ddecator> i'm a bugsquad mentor..
  52 17:17 <@Bodsda> That would fit in nicely with teaching version control as well
  53 17:17 < ddecator> -bugs is usually helpful for beginners with triage, but idk about patching
  54 17:17 < malev> I'm in the bugsquad, and I joined a few months ago, and it's realtive easy, and the channel gives you a lot of help, there is plenty of documentation
  55 17:18 < malev> I mean, there are no obstacules to start tragging, just read and ... persistence
  56 17:18 < ddecator> right, -bugs gives a lot of focus to beginners, so idk if it's necessary to do that here
  57 17:18 < ddecator> patching would be nice though
  58 17:18 < ddecator> gives experience with lp, reports, and involves basic scripting
  59 17:18 <@Bodsda> ok so we could focus on - 1) Programming help, 2) Packaging help, 3) Bug triaging help, 4) Patching help, 5) Version control
  60 17:18 <@Bodsda> Raidsong: drubin - thoughts? ^^
  61 17:19 < malev> don't know if bug triaging help is needed
  62 17:19 < malev> patching it could be. the reviewers team is overloaded
  63 17:19 < ddecator> i think bug triaging is best left to the bugsquad
  64 17:19 <@Bodsda> malev: something simple to one person, could be anothers nightmare, some people may need assistance, that is why we are here :)
  65 17:19 <+drubin> I would like to learn more about propper packaging
  66 17:19 <+drubin> so I am all for it
  67 17:19 <+Raidsong> Bodsda, im struggling to keep my computer from dying so i was planning on reading the transcript afterwards
  68 17:20 <@Bodsda> Raidsong: no problem buddy
  69 17:20 <@Bodsda> drubin: ok - sounds good
  70 17:20 <@Bodsda> I think that covers the team direction
  71 17:20 <@Bodsda> Next topic is Current individuals projects
  72 17:21 <@Bodsda> We have a wiki page to detail what we are currently working on, whether we can offer mentoring and help with the code etc - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development/Projects
  73 17:22 < malev> why there are no links to the source code there?
  74 17:22 < malev> don't mean to be rude
  75 17:22 <@Bodsda> I would like for this to be a page where people can see whether there are some real life projects that they can learn from and help with and also to see who to speak to about help with a specific language/toolkit
  76 17:22 <@Bodsda> malev: NOTE: These lists are kept up to date by their respective owners.
  77 17:22 <@Bodsda> malev: because I havent got round to adding mine :)
  78 17:23 < malev> :D
  79 17:23 <@Bodsda> drubin: do you have anything in the works that could go here?
  80 17:23 -!- tenach [~tenach@unaffiliated/tenach] has quit [Quit: Leaving]
  81 17:25 <+drubin> Bodsda: Hope
  82 17:25 <+drubin> Nope
  83 17:26 <@Bodsda> heh - ok well when you do :)
  84 17:26 <+drubin> although hope is possibly appropriate as well
  85 17:26 <@Bodsda> Well, that short topic was more of an informational one then a discussion topic
  86 17:26 <@Bodsda> Next up is projects for the team
  87 17:26 <+drubin> ok it is 12:30 and I need to get some sleep, got an early morning, and long week end of deploying servers and stuff
  88 17:27 <@Bodsda> drubin: ok - fair enough - perhaps we should reschedule to finish off with more attendance?
  89 17:27 < malev> hey, I'm working an another IRC bot (python and twisted)
  90 17:27 < ddecator> Bodsda: can you at least talk about membership?
  91 17:27 <@Bodsda> ddecator: absolutely
  92 17:28 <@Bodsda> = Meeting End =