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1 [22:12:57] <starcraft-ntbk> duanedesign: how about you run the meeting, it's not hard. And ya don't need votebot, I'd do it but my class terminates in 30 minutes at latest then I go.
2 [22:13:12] <duanedesign> Sure
3 [22:13:18] <nigel_nb> i think pleia2 is around.. probably she could
4 [22:13:29] <drubin> agenda?
5 [22:13:33] <duanedesign> TOPIC- Roadmaps
6 [22:13:34] <pleia2> nigel_nb: I'm already in two meetings at once ;)
7 [22:13:49] <PabloRubianes> Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane Duane
8 [22:13:51] <nigel_nb> pleia2: oh :)
9 [22:13:55] <starcraft-ntbk> Agenda for folks to read ahead > https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
10 [22:13:55] <duanedesign> Lots of ideas get thrown around and then little happens on them. This is something the whole community is wrestling with.
11 [22:14:3] <starcraft-ntbk> And people, lets quit the spam!
12 [22:14:11] <duanedesign> Roadmaps are a quick and easy way for us to be more productive and organized.
13 [22:14:54] <duanedesign> they are based around OBJECTIVE
14 [22:14:58] <duanedesign> GOALS
15 [22:15:12] <duanedesign> SUCCESS CRITERIA
16 [22:15:31] <duanedesign> and DRIVER
17 [22:15:41] <starcraft-ntbk> I think we get idea, why caps? I agree, but how specific do you think is required?
18 [22:15:44] <duanedesign> the objective is what we want to accomplish
19 [22:16:16] <duanedesign> the caps are highlighting the 'points'
20 [22:16:19] <duanedesign> :p
21 [22:16:39] <duanedesign> some of the things that we have discussed recently
22 [22:16:48] <duanedesign> that would make good roadmaps
23 [22:16:58] <forestpiskie> o/
24 [22:17:1] <duanedesign> 1. Improve the membership process
25 [22:17:8] <duanedesign> yes forestpiskie
26 [22:17:11] <starcraft-ntbk> duanedesign: ah right, looking over page now. Should have read earlier. Been a bit busy.
27 [22:17:29] <duanedesign> 2. Increase mentors in Help
28 [22:17:39] <forestpiskie> are we trying to have a meeting?
29 [22:17:45] <nigel_nb> forestpiskie: yes
30 [22:18:8] <forestpiskie> ok - cool - who's chair then?
31 [22:18:23] <FFEMTcJ> i am? since im not a member.. lol
32 [22:18:25] <duanedesign> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Roadmaps/Lucid/LoCoCouncil
33 [22:18:27] <starcraft-ntbk> forestpiskie: we are. Minus bodhi and nhandler. Duane
34 [22:18:33] <duanedesign> here is a sample roadmap
35 [22:18:37] <starcraft-ntbk> I can't do it, leaving in a moment.
36 [22:19:0] <forestpiskie> descending slowly into chaos are we then lol
37 [22:19:20] <Silver-Fox-> Do you wish me to do it?
38 [22:19:21] <duanedesign> >:)
39 [22:19:27] <forestpiskie> well we don;t need bodhi et al - we can do it :)
40 [22:19:43] <starcraft-ntbk> Silver-Fox-: you go to sleep, your sick!
41 [22:19:54] <pleia2> the roadmaps were used extensively at UDS for planning work that wants to get done during the lucid cycle
42 [22:19:57] <Silver-Fox-> So?
43 [22:20:0] <nigel_nb> duanedesign: do we have more objectives? or the 2 that you gave are starters?
44 [22:20:0] <forestpiskie> sorry I am late - mate turned up
45 [22:20:1] <duanedesign> as you can see it is just basically get our ideas down and have measurable goals
46 [22:20:1] <pleia2> so far it's been really great for putting projects on track
47 [22:20:5] <starcraft-ntbk> and with that, I turn off. About to run out.
48 [22:20:26] <PabloRubianes> thouse 2 are the only topics we have?
49 [22:20:35] <bodhi_zazen> meeting ?
50 [22:20:39] <duanedesign> some other benefits of roadmaps
51 [22:20:43] <duanedesign> Direction – one of the biggest complaints teams often report is a lack of direction. If a team gets into the habit of creating a roadmap at the beginning of a cycle, it gives the team a sense of focus and direction for the coming cycle.
52 [22:20:53] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: yes you late
53 [22:20:54] <FFEMTcJ> welcome bodhi_zazen
54 [22:20:55] <duanedesign> Documented commitments are more effective – a common rule in Project Management training is that actions assigned to people in a shared document are more effective than ad-hoc or private commitments.
55 [22:20:57] <drubin> :)
56 [22:20:58] <bodhi_zazen> =)
57 [22:21:6] <duanedesign> Feeling of success – regularly revisiting a roadmap and checking off items that have been completed can develop a strong feeling of progress and success. It makes a team feel productive.
58 [22:21:23] <nigel_nb> +1 ^^
59 [22:21:24] <forestpiskie> o/
60 [22:21:29] <forestpiskie> please
61 [22:21:37] <duanedesign> I think jono has done a good job at explaining and creating templates for the roadmaps
62 [22:21:59] <duanedesign> the biggest issue i see is how we come up with objectives
63 [22:22:3] <duanedesign> yes forestpiskie
64 [22:22:4] <Raidsong> oh hai Rocket2DMn
65 [22:22:16] <drubin> forestpiskie: say what you wanted to say.
66 [22:22:22] <forestpiskie> once upon a time we had peaceful meetings in here where if people wanted to sya something we o/ - then it ran much more fluently
67 [22:22:30] <Rocket2DMn> hi, are awe having th meeting here or in #ubuntu-meeting ?
68 [22:22:31] <duanedesign> true
69 [22:22:31] <PabloRubianes> duanedesign +1
70 [22:22:40] <forestpiskie> I just came here - late - and it is chaos :(
71 [22:22:43] <duanedesign> Rocket2DMn: here
72 [22:22:45] <bodhi_zazen> o/ FTW =)
73 [22:22:49] <jacob> /a
74 [22:22:53] <jacob> sorry
75 [22:22:58] <forestpiskie> Rocket2DMn: the other channnel has CC in it
76 [22:23:6] <Rocket2DMn> k, thanks, sorry im late
77 [22:23:6] <swoody> +1 forestpiskie, we need to cut the banter down during meetings
78 [22:23:6] <Silver-Fox-> I am upset at the chaos
79 [22:23:27] <forestpiskie> can we please just work through any agenda we have and then get to members
80 [22:23:46] <_marx_> ease up people duanedesign stepped up to chair the meeting...
81 [22:23:54] <duanedesign> I was covering the agenda item for nhandler
82 [22:24:5] <_marx_> stands corrected
83 [22:24:11] <bodhi_zazen> Sorry, I thought the meeting was later =)
84 [22:24:11] <forestpiskie> cool - but if people need to speak then o/
85 [22:24:30] <forestpiskie> ort perhaps we need to go to moderated then only voiced people can speak
86 [22:24:34] <bodhi_zazen> Where are we on the agenda ?
87 [22:24:42] <duanedesign> roadmaps
88 [22:24:52] <drubin> o/
89 [22:24:53] <forestpiskie> there bodhi_zazen ;)
90 [22:25:3] <duanedesign> drubin
91 [22:25:7] <forestpiskie> drubin:
92 [22:25:22] <drubin> forestpiskie: The problem isn't the unvoiced people it is the rest of the team.
93 [22:25:40] <nigel_nb> o/
94 [22:25:43] <drubin> We need to cut down the chatter during meetings.
95 [22:25:57] <duanedesign> I sent out a lot of stuff on the mailing list on this topic,
96 [22:26:3] <duanedesign> Roadmaps that is
97 [22:26:9] <forestpiskie> o/
98 [22:26:15] <duanedesign> does anyone have any questions
99 [22:26:17] <bodhi_zazen> If you wish to speak on - topic, just speak
100 [22:26:30] <bodhi_zazen> otherwise, save it to the end of the meeting please =)
101 [22:26:35] <forestpiskie> ty
102 [22:26:46] <bodhi_zazen> === Topic ===
103 [22:26:49] <bodhi_zazen> Roadmap
104 [22:27:1] <bodhi_zazen> Who is interested in developing a Roadmap for the team ?
105 [22:27:10] <duanedesign> o/
106 [22:27:26] <duanedesign> i think we have at least two objectives
107 [22:27:34] <duanedesign> that have come up recently
108 [22:27:36] <pleia2> the team should have one, I am willing to help out :)
109 [22:27:41] <stlsaint> o/
110 [22:27:49] <duanedesign> improve the membership process
111 [22:27:55] <stlsaint> (offering help on roadmap)
112 [22:27:55] <forestpiskie> I am happy to help to pleia2
113 [22:27:56] <duanedesign> increase support in help
114 [22:28:9] <nigel_nb> I too wish to help pleia2 :)
115 [22:28:15] <forestpiskie> o/ a word on the padawan process
116 [22:28:22] <duanedesign> Oh, and elevate the banter in our channel to a family friendly level
117 [22:28:30] <duanedesign> so that there is 3
118 [22:28:42] <yvan300> duanedesign, what do you mean by banter?
119 [22:28:51] <duanedesign> overall conversation
120 [22:29:2] <dvz-> quality control, my friend :) you're more than welcome.
121 [22:29:5] <dvz-> mt
122 [22:29:16] <forestpiskie> we should use the other channel we have duanedesign - - cafe
123 [22:29:42] <duanedesign> forestpiskie: good idea
124 [22:29:53] <stlsaint> o/
125 [22:29:56] <drubin> I really am in favour of getting ride of -help since people normally join this channel for help any way
126 [22:29:57] <yvan300> duanedesign, cafe?
127 [22:30:14] <pleia2> drubin: I agree (but are we off-topic now? maybe this should wait?)
128 [22:30:17] <yvan300> +1 drubin
129 [22:30:17] <talsemgeest> Well, +1 on the roadmap from me :)
130 [22:30:18] <stlsaint> o/
131 [22:30:22] <PabloRubianes> drubin 1+
132 [22:30:32] <forestpiskie> yvan300: ubuntu-beginners-cafe
133 [22:30:34] <drubin> pleia2: I thought it would be part of the road map of things to change/do
134 [22:30:50] <bodhi_zazen> I suggest we identify people interested in writing a roadmap and have them meet at another time or discuss on wiki / email format
135 [22:30:57] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: +1
136 [22:30:59] <drubin> pleia2: But if it is too off topic it can be moved to another section.
137 [22:31:0] <bodhi_zazen> count me in on that of course =)
138 [22:31:4] <duanedesign> My only concern/question is how we decide on Objectives
139 [22:31:10] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: I like
140 [22:31:17] <FFEMTcJ> bodhi_zazen: count me in
141 [22:31:20] <forestpiskie> I think - 1 at a time duanedesign
142 [22:31:23] <dvz-> drubin: I think that the channel structure is still an IRC team group..maybe the irc group can meet with the roadmap group when those paths cross
143 [22:31:37] <bodhi_zazen> I would say our objective are :
144 [22:31:40] <drubin> duanedesign: I think that is a huge concern I can almost never attend meetings but I would still like a vote in things
145 [22:31:41] <bodhi_zazen> 1. Help on fourms
146 [22:31:48] <drubin> possibly use launchpads voting system?
147 [22:31:53] <bodhi_zazen> 2. introduce new users to Ubuntu
148 [22:32:20] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: roadmap objectives are more solid things
149 [22:32:25] <bodhi_zazen> 3. Encourage new users to become more involved in the greater Ubuntu community =)
150 [22:32:40] <swoody> +1 pleia2
151 [22:32:41] <bodhi_zazen> At least that is where we should start
152 [22:32:47] <pleia2> like "in the lucid cycle, we will introduce 50 new people to ubuntu"
153 [22:32:49] <drubin> I agree we need to explain what/who we are going to help on the forums/launchpad/wiki/irc
154 [22:32:51] <duanedesign> bodhi_zazen: I like that. Coming up with Success Criteria for those will help a lot I think in improving our productivity in those areaas
155 [22:33:1] <swoody> bodhi_zazen, what you're listing seems to be more of a Mission Statement than a roadmap
156 [22:33:11] <pleia2> swoody: yeah
157 [22:33:16] <forestpiskie> pleia2: I disagree to a point on that
158 [22:33:53] <forestpiskie> we are not here to do that - we are the team that cares for new people - they are already here and trying
159 [22:34:0] <duanedesign> One suggestion I think Jono made was to create a wiki page to FLUSH out ideas for objectives
160 [22:34:8] <pleia2> forestpiskie: it was a poor example
161 [22:34:10] <forestpiskie> roadmaps are all well and good ...
162 [22:34:12] <bodhi_zazen> +1 duanedesign
163 [22:34:28] <_marx_> flush or flesh
164 [22:34:36] <forestpiskie> +1 this is not something that should be looked at over one meeting
165 [22:34:44] <PabloRubianes> i think we have to do that and then vote for 3 o 4 roadmaps
166 [22:35:0] <forestpiskie> flush I would say
167 [22:35:2] <pleia2> forestpiskie: an "objective" is something that should be done during a release cycle, so something to complete in 6 months
168 [22:35:3] <PabloRubianes> create a wiki i mean
169 [22:35:4] <drubin> PabloRubianes: what is 3 or 4 roadmaps?
170 [22:35:4] <dvz-> i agree with pleia2 ... if you want progress, then you need to set finite, reachable goals that can be checked off when completed...tangible objectives.
171 [22:35:21] <dvz-> now what those "tangible objectives" would be, that's for us to come up with and decide.
172 [22:35:25] <PabloRubianes> drubin 3 o 4 objetives...
173 [22:35:26] <pleia2> at least going by the structure in Jono's docs, which I believe we are basing this all off of
174 [22:35:41] <drubin> dvz-: Simple, reachable goals is key... if you have to many things get daunting and people stop working
175 [22:35:49] <dvz-> drubin: +1
176 [22:35:51] <drubin> we can always re-asses what we have done.
177 [22:35:57] <duanedesign> true one benefit of the roadmaps is 'Feeling of Success'
178 [22:36:5] <drubin> lets call it Agile beginning(tm)
179 [22:36:13] <duanedesign> so we can feel like we are moving forward
180 [22:36:19] <duanedesign> accomplishing things
181 [22:36:22] <forestpiskie> pleia2: why are we bound by whatever cycle ubuntu chooses - noobs are always - daily - they don;t appear once every 6 months
182 [22:36:29] <drubin> duanedesign: Yes. that is how Agile devlopment works
183 [22:36:36] <pleia2> forestpiskie: this is what we are basing this discussion on: http://www.jonobacon.org/2009/11/10/creating-a-roadmap-for-more-successful-teams/
184 [22:36:40] <dvz-> forestpiskie: i think she was just giving that as an idea
185 [22:36:43] <bodhi_zazen> OK, I suggest we start with a wiki page then =)
186 [22:36:44] <dvz-> an example
187 [22:36:51] <drubin> small simple goals that are re-evaluated every 2 weeks (we can make this longer though)
188 [22:36:57] <duanedesign> bodhi_zazen: i agree
189 [22:36:58] <pleia2> *I'm* not doing it, I'm explaining the idea :)
190 [22:37:7] <forestpiskie> pleia2: I know - but still ...
191 [22:37:11] <forestpiskie> :)
192 [22:37:20] <pleia2> shooting the messenger, I see! :P
193 [22:37:33] <PabloRubianes> but we have to put a deadline to decide what to do...
194 [22:37:33] <forestpiskie> lol
195 [22:37:36] <duanedesign> watch out i hear pleia2 is good with a gun
196 [22:37:53] <forestpiskie> ha ha ha
197 [22:38:22] <duanedesign> I will create a wiki page and we can put up some objectives
198 [22:38:29] <pleia2> duanedesign: great!
199 [22:38:36] <forestpiskie> so can we say that the roadmap needs more talk then :)
200 [22:38:42] <bodhi_zazen> Any further discussion on roadmaps ?
201 [22:38:48] <forestpiskie> that will do the first one :)
202 [22:39:2] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: Just a final point of who is going to create them for the minutes.
203 [22:39:20] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: It is very important to link tasks to people so they and others know who is doing what.
204 [22:39:26] <bodhi_zazen> duanedesign: will create a wiki page, and people can add suggestions
205 [22:39:31] <forestpiskie> +1
206 [22:39:36] <dvz-> forestpiskie: noobs are daily and not on ubuntu's cycle sure...but if we, as the ubuntu community, don't bring fresh users in, than we're going off the cycle of relying on other people to "bring fresh users in" it sounds like ultimately, if we have a goal of bringing 50 new people to use ubuntu, then we are charged with expanding ourselves , in personal lives and in computer life to expand the knowledge of ...
207 [22:39:40] <bodhi_zazen> we can discuss them at any time either on mailing list or in this channel
208 [22:39:42] <dvz-> ... ubuntu to others.
209 [22:39:45] <duanedesign> then perhaps we vote on the ones we want to adopt at next meeting
210 [22:39:55] <bodhi_zazen> approval of roadmap next meeting ? One month ?
211 [22:39:57] <duanedesign> or the mailing list
212 [22:40:11] <duanedesign> bodhi_zazen: yeah we should do it quicker
213 [22:40:12] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: You just need some one that is going to drive it. Not every one involved
214 [22:40:27] <duanedesign> each objective will have a driver
215 [22:40:32] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone want to volunteer to drive ?
216 [22:40:51] <bodhi_zazen> or are you volunteering drubin ?
217 [22:40:53] <bodhi_zazen> =)
218 [22:40:56] <duanedesign> i will
219 [22:41:7] <bodhi_zazen> Anyone else ?
220 [22:41:15] <FFEMTcJ> duanedesign: have a driver to get the whole thing started, but each objective will needs its own
221 [22:41:21] <bodhi_zazen> going once ...
222 [22:41:30] <bodhi_zazen> going twice ...
223 [22:41:39] <bodhi_zazen> duanedesign: FTW =)
224 [22:41:42] <duanedesign> FFEMTcJ: ok, i was a little fuzzy on what i was exactly volunteering for
225 [22:41:46] <duanedesign> :)
226 [22:41:48] <FFEMTcJ> lol
227 [22:42:6] <forestpiskie> I can help drubin
228 [22:42:7] <bodhi_zazen> thank you duanedesign , I will help you later as well =)
229 [22:42:11] <FFEMTcJ> I think driving getting the project going.. the 'roadmap' for roadmaps if you will
230 [22:42:21] <bodhi_zazen> any other comments on roadmap ?
231 [22:42:33] <bodhi_zazen> notices we have other agenda items
232 [22:42:34] <duanedesign> if you have not look over the roadmap materials i sent out on the mailing list
233 [22:42:45] <dvz-> duanedesign: if you need help, i'll help ye out.
234 [22:43:9] <forestpiskie> duanedesign: I was on the wring list :(
235 [22:43:21] <bodhi_zazen> == Next topic: Ubuntu User Days
236 [22:43:27] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: =)
237 [22:43:41] <bodhi_zazen> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam
238 [22:43:54] <Hellow> Sorry for being late.
239 [22:43:57] <pleia2> at UDS the idea was tossed around to create additional days outside of Ubuntu Open Week throughout the release cycle for training
240 [22:44:13] <Hellow> rises
241 [22:44:19] <forestpiskie> I will help with partitions and the like pleia2
242 [22:44:23] <pleia2> rather that individual classes like the Classroom project promotes, we'd have full UserDays (which started out being called "Beginner Days"
243 [22:44:38] <pleia2> forestpiskie: great :)
244 [22:44:54] <pleia2> I mostly wanted to bring it up at a meeting to see if the Beginners Team wanted to formally get behind helping out
245 [22:44:57] <forestpiskie> :)
246 [22:44:58] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: Nope sorry I not sure I will be able to do it
247 [22:45:10] <FFEMTcJ> forestpiskie: can you add your name to the page if you havent?
248 [22:45:23] <forestpiskie> FFEMTcJ: what page?
249 [22:45:30] <forestpiskie> ^^ that one
250 [22:45:39] <_marx_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDaysTeam
251 [22:45:42] <pleia2> there is a "possible instructors" section at the bottom
252 [22:45:49] <duanedesign> i think the educational/Informative IRC sessions are awesome
253 [22:46:1] <bodhi_zazen> I will help as time allows, I like IRC sessions =)
254 [22:46:9] <pleia2> unfortunately I have been unable to get ahold of Saj0577
255 [22:46:15] <bodhi_zazen> I can not commit without seeing the time schedule
256 [22:46:18] <pleia2> no replies on IRC or to email (he's the education focus group leader)
257 [22:46:23] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UserDays
258 [22:46:30] <pleia2> shooing for Jan 16th or 23rd
259 [22:46:33] <Hellow> I would also like to see a time schedule. I may help out.
260 [22:46:46] <forestpiskie> pleia2: I will add myself to the page as a possible
261 [22:46:51] <pleia2> forestpiskie: thanks! :)
262 [22:46:53] <FFEMTcJ> Thanks forestpiskie
263 [22:47:22] <bodhi_zazen> thanks pleia2 , weekends are bad for me, at least at those times
264 [22:47:36] <FFEMTcJ> We do have quite a good list of courses to offer... just need people to instruct
265 [22:47:47] <forestpiskie> and I can do euro times- not always good for some ....
266 [22:47:47] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: the times are flexible, we decided upon saturday because all open week, dev week, etc are on weekdays
267 [22:48:20] <Hellow> If it's on the weekends, I can ttend.
268 [22:48:45] <bodhi_zazen> I understand pleia2 , perhaps I can add my name and availability on the first page ?
269 [22:48:54] <Raidsong> is there still a meeting going on?
270 [22:49:0] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: sure :)
271 [22:49:8] <pleia2> Raidsong: yes
272 [22:49:14] <FFEMTcJ> Weekends was one of the recomendations at UDS to allow people who work during the week to attend.. since they are geared towards new(er) users
273 [22:49:31] <forestpiskie> this I understand FFEMTcJ
274 [22:49:41] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: my impression is that there would be I ma guessing 2-3 people here who would run an IRC class
275 [22:50:8] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: great :)
276 [22:50:15] <pleia2> I don't think we need a vote then or anything
277 [22:50:22] <forestpiskie> good
278 [22:50:31] <bodhi_zazen> any other comments, or shall we move to the next topic ?
279 [22:50:34] <forestpiskie> better to havepeople just do it imho
280 [22:50:36] <Hellow> pleia2, Would it be amendable for me to add myself to the "Possible Instructors" list?
281 [22:50:41] <pleia2> Hellow: go for it :)
282 [22:50:42] <forestpiskie> move on bodhi_zazen
283 [22:50:54] <bodhi_zazen> === Topic : Public channel logging ===
284 [22:51:0] <forestpiskie> -1
285 [22:51:2] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: you are up =)
286 [22:51:4] <dvz-> -1
287 [22:51:7] <pleia2> well, I'm a big 'ole troublemaker for this topic :)
288 [22:51:8] <FFEMTcJ> Anyone who is interested can.. also, pleia2 my suggestion would be for them to put what they are interested in leading
289 [22:51:14] <drubin> -1
290 [22:51:17] <bodhi_zazen> I know this is a hot topic , please keep the conversation civil
291 [22:51:35] <forestpiskie> I said my bit
292 [22:51:35] <pleia2> the reason this came up is due to a distructuve user on IRC who had been involved with -beginners
293 [22:51:38] <ibuclaw> -1
294 [22:51:45] <drubin> but I do think even with out the logging we need to tone down some of the conversations that go on in here
295 [22:51:48] <bodhi_zazen> Personally I assume all conversations on all channels are logged all the time =)
296 [22:51:57] <pleia2> while handling this, the -ops asked if there were public logs of this channel, I discovered there weren't, and dropped a note to the team about it
297 [22:51:58] <Hellow> -1
298 [22:52:15] <forestpiskie> o/
299 [22:52:20] <swoody> o/
300 [22:52:21] <pleia2> logging is one of those things that's offered for productive, mature ubuntu teams
301 [22:52:29] <duanedesign> I think public logging of help would be beneficial to other users
302 [22:52:35] <Hellow> o/
303 [22:52:45] <nigel_nb> o/
304 [22:52:50] <dvz-> o/
305 [22:52:54] <forestpiskie> then I would say that this channel should go to help and we chat in the cafe
306 [22:53:0] <nigel_nb> forestpiskie: +1
307 [22:53:19] <pleia2> forestpiskie: where would you stand on logging if that were the case?
308 [22:53:23] <forestpiskie> pleia2: we come here to chill out not to be logged
309 [22:53:26] <_marx_> add directions to channel topic
310 [22:53:36] <dvz-> forestpiskie: i agree...either create a -team channel for the team to have their meetings, -cafe for random banter, and keep this channel as a help channel.
311 [22:53:38] <forestpiskie> then I would chat in cafe and be logged here in help
312 [22:53:40] <pleia2> I agree that currently this channel is not really log-worthy :)
313 [22:53:49] <pleia2> forestpiskie: +1
314 [22:53:51] <dvz-> scratch out "either"
315 [22:53:53] <swoody> +1 pleia2
316 [22:53:55] <Hellow> dvz-, That's redundant, there's #ubuntu-beginners-help.
317 [22:54:13] <pleia2> fwiw - "cafe" is kinda of a forums convention, in irc the social channels tend to be called "offtopic"
318 [22:54:16] <dvz-> Hellow: get rid of help and change it to here...since people tend to go here before they go to help
319 [22:54:23] <forestpiskie> then what is the point - I've no issue with the help channel being logged - but HERE is our little home
320 [22:54:32] <bodhi_zazen> We have too many channels as a team as it is
321 [22:54:34] <pleia2> this team is a mix of forums and irc, so I could see it going either way, but IRC people will be more used to the "offtopic" convention
322 [22:54:39] <forestpiskie> +1 bodhi_zazen
323 [22:54:43] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: I think the idea is getting rid of -help
324 [22:54:43] <swoody> I would agree with making this channel the 'help' channel, and creating a 'cafe' or OT style channel for team banter
325 [22:54:43] <bodhi_zazen> big -1 to another channel from me =)
326 [22:54:46] <Hellow> But, there really isnt a need to log. I don't want the things that I say on IRC posted online, indexed by google, and who knows reading it.
327 [22:55:1] <seidos> +1 swoody
328 [22:55:8] <forestpiskie> so then I would -1 logging this channel and force help elewhere
329 [22:55:21] <bodhi_zazen> May I ask a few questions of people here ?
330 [22:55:34] <forestpiskie> pleia2: no - not imo
331 [22:55:40] <forestpiskie> bodhi_zazen: yeas
332 [22:55:48] <dvz-> i think we should have at least one room that is not logged, esp. since we tend to put email addresses and other information in this channel.
333 [22:55:55] <ibuclaw> as stated in the mailing list, this channel is our team's equivalent of ##club-ubuntu - which is not logged either afaik.
334 [22:56:2] <bodhi_zazen> First, the #1 argument against logging is what, privacy ?
335 [22:56:5] <Hellow> ibuclaw, It's not logged :P.
336 [22:56:11] <Hellow> bodhi_zazen, Mainly, yes.
337 [22:56:17] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: privacy and "our banter is not useful anyway"
338 [22:56:20] <drubin> Hellow: reason for -help is we don't allow help in here. and most users come here first and we kick them out
339 [22:56:28] <pleia2> drubin: yeah, I don't like that
340 [22:56:34] <bodhi_zazen> #2 people wanting to be "relaxed" ?
341 [22:56:34] <Hellow> That's the same argument used when public logging was brought up for ##club-ubuntu.
342 [22:56:49] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: that point is moot since well I could publish my logs from the last year and well they would be public.
343 [22:56:58] <dvz-> drubin: i think WE should be the ones to be inconvenienced in having to "switch channels" not the new users seeking help.
344 [22:57:0] <drubin> in general irc is public and that is the way it is.
345 [22:57:8] <forestpiskie> pleia2: I'm sorry but that does not wash - go to ubunt+1 and ask for jaunty help
346 [22:57:11] <seidos> bodhi_zazen: i somewhat jest when I say I would be against logging so that my ignorance wouldn't be that easy to "dig up"
347 [22:57:16] <drubin> dvz-: Been trying to say that for years
348 [22:57:24] <pleia2> dvz-: yeah
349 [22:57:30] <forestpiskie> we are a chat channel - the help channel is -help
350 [22:57:40] <Hellow> drubin, But most of the Internet's users don't use IRC. I don't want random people reading my IRC conversations through a web browser.
351 [22:57:56] <bodhi_zazen> OK
352 [22:57:57] <seidos> do random people care?
353 [22:58:2] <pleia2> forestpiskie: in the mind of users, #ubuntu is the main channel, not #ubuntu+1 (you need to know about +1) - here it's the opposite, people assume #ubuntu-beginners is the default beginners channel, and have to be told about -help
354 [22:58:5] <bodhi_zazen> Arguements for logging ?
355 [22:58:20] <swoody> +1 pleia2
356 [22:58:23] <dvz-> forestpiskie: the name is misleading...ubuntu-beginners...people think it's a channel for beginners at ubuntu...they dont' expect to join then have their questions kicked out and redirected to ANOTHER channel.
357 [22:58:27] <pleia2> assumes everything she ever says on IRC is logged anyway, has no privacy issues
358 [22:58:33] <Hellow> seidos, Fairly extremely, your conversations on IRC could be used to build up a information database on you if someone wanted to come after you for something.
359 [22:58:34] <forestpiskie> pleia2: then we nned a channel we can chat in
360 [22:58:44] <swoody> I think it's a pretty good indication that something needs to change when we have to inform people of #u-b-h
361 [22:58:49] <Hellow> But, again, that's extreme.
362 [22:58:53] <drubin> Hellow: Come one if random people are reading your irc well I think you prolly shouldn't be in irc and need body guards
363 [22:59:4] <seidos> come after me for helping ubuntu beginners?
364 [22:59:4] <forestpiskie> dvz-: that has been the way since I was here ...
365 [22:59:4] <seidos> that's messed up
366 [22:59:10] <swoody> I feel this channel would be better suited as the 'help' channel
367 [22:59:15] <dvz-> hence #ubuntu-beginners-team ...as the name indicates...-team is like -dev, -irc, -security...it's a set that we identify...
368 [22:59:23] <ibuclaw> dvz-, in a way this channel is somewhat of a help channel ... just not a "I have an issue with xyz" sort.
369 [22:59:42] <forestpiskie> ibuclaw: was hat the name before we had to change it?
370 [22:59:45] <Hellow> Suggestion: A sort of "Members-only" channel? I don't know how that would work out, but heh.
371 [22:59:48] <drubin> pleia2: That is what I said on the mailing list. If I was to bymistake do cp ~/.irssi/logs/ /srv/www/ well all logs would be public any way
372 [22:59:55] <ibuclaw> more of a "I'm looking to contribute to Ubuntu, but don't know where to start"
373 [22:59:56] <dvz-> and #ubuntu-beginners should be the default directory..offering help...and other stuff...if users need to ask questions about dev, then they can be directed to -dev, etc.
374 [22:59:58] <pleia2> drubin: *nod*
375 [23:0:14] <bodhi_zazen> I think we should offer help in this channel as needed
376 [23:0:26] <duanedesign> there seem to be 2 issues. What is our IRC structure and which channels do we log
377 [23:0:29] <bodhi_zazen> if it is detailed, extended , focused help, move to -help
378 [23:0:35] <bodhi_zazen> lets not get too strict =)
379 [23:0:42] <forestpiskie> so why the topic then bodhi_zazen ? either it is here or it is there?
380 [23:0:47] <drubin> I am ok with banter being in this channel as well just feel it needs to be appropriate.
381 [23:1:3] <forestpiskie> and with the banter comes the need to be unlogged
382 [23:1:4] <ibuclaw> bodhi_zazen, not to forget that -help has always been preferred as it is generally quieter.
383 [23:1:6] <Hellow> I think it would be a good idea to have a separate channel for random discussions that's not the team's primary channel.
384 [23:1:6] <dvz-> i think this is also something that the irc team can go more into depth on when we meet in the next meeting.
385 [23:1:8] <LeAstrale> Meeting time?
386 [23:1:9] <swoody> +1 drubin, we need to maintain a family-friendly channel here
387 [23:1:14] <Hellow> That's unlogged, too.
388 [23:1:25] <seidos> if this were a business, i think there would be a separate channel for interaction with customers, and another for interacting with employees
389 [23:1:25] <pleia2> dvz-: +1
390 [23:1:30] <drubin> bodhi_zazen: personally I feel *help* is the main focus of the team and we shouldn't move users out so we can chitchat but rather we should move out
391 [23:1:30] <dvz-> and then we can come up with a proposed plan/solution and bring it back to the team at the next meeting.
392 [23:1:32] <forestpiskie> LeAstrale: now :)
393 [23:1:42] <bodhi_zazen> +1 drubin
394 [23:1:42] <LeAstrale> o.O
395 [23:1:45] <ibuclaw> noise in this channel (and #ubuntu suffers from it too) does not help in giving support.
396 [23:1:47] <seidos> beginners are probably not ready for things that are said in this channel
397 [23:1:49] <bodhi_zazen> but, to me it depends
398 [23:1:52] <forestpiskie> drubin: then a cafe
399 [23:1:58] <bodhi_zazen> a "simple" problem can be answered here
400 [23:1:59] <drubin> and if the team has issues with reading support stuff they they proberally shouldn't be on the team (so that is none of you guys right... :)
401 [23:2:5] <seidos> heck, i barely am :)
402 [23:2:10] <drubin> forestpiskie: I am ok with a cafe
403 [23:2:11] <forestpiskie> :) drubin
404 [23:2:16] <bodhi_zazen> a more complex problem that takes detailed explinations is best moved to -help
405 [23:2:19] <forestpiskie> yea - me too
406 [23:2:19] <pleia2> seidos: good point
407 [23:2:41] <seidos> is there an ubuntu-advanced? or ubuntu-intermediate?
408 [23:2:42] <forestpiskie> seidos: indeeed :)
409 [23:2:47] <Hellow> Actually, I feel that we should keep team-specific discussion in here, move banter to a different channel, and in-depth help goes to -help.
410 [23:2:52] <forestpiskie> ubuntu +1 seidos
411 [23:3:3] <bodhi_zazen> Ugg, too many channels Hellow =)
412 [23:3:7] <nigel_nb> Hellow: but that would just increase channel numbers?
413 [23:3:8] <drubin> seidos: how about a ubuntu-beginner-to-intermediate-with-advanged-apachhe-skills
414 [23:3:10] <dvz-> i disagree with that bodhi_zazen ...i think all problems should be addressed here and we should be in our own "lounge" / team area...in essence, -help moves here, -team replaces -help. drop -help
415 [23:3:17] <_marx_> +1 seidos business approach example
416 [23:3:23] <pleia2> dvz-: I agree
417 [23:3:27] <forestpiskie> bodhi_zazen: a question pplease ...
418 [23:3:29] <Hellow> Well, this channel's primary purpose would be to discuss the team.
419 [23:3:30] <nigel_nb> dvz-: +1
420 [23:3:30] <seidos> drubin: or ubuntu-certified-beginner. /me goes to this channel
421 [23:3:34] <Hellow> And with that, I will be right back.
422 [23:3:58] <forestpiskie> bodhi_zazen: how many channel do we have - and how many are used regularly?
423 [23:3:59] <drubin> the only time I would suggest moving to another channel is if there are more then one person needing help and they are both indepth
424 [23:4:1] <seidos> all i'm saying is we all need a room to regroup
425 [23:4:2] <bodhi_zazen> sure forestpiskie
426 [23:4:2] <ibuclaw> seidos, may has well be asking for #ubuntu-tier2 - advanced software support.
427 [23:4:12] <dvz-> if there's one thing that pisses me off when joining a channel to ask for help, it's being told that "this isn't a help channel. read the topic. go #somechannel-here"
428 [23:4:13] <ibuclaw> and #ubuntu-tier3 - hardware support
429 [23:4:13] <seidos> ibuclaw: you said it not me
430 [23:4:14] <drubin> then I might suggest moving it out to another randomchannel
431 [23:4:18] <seidos> ibuclaw: +5
432 [23:4:29] <forestpiskie> bodhi_zazen: ^^ do we need to get vicious with the pruning?
433 [23:4:29] <ibuclaw> but both give empty promises IMO
434 [23:4:40] <ibuclaw> we can't fix every solution. =)
435 [23:5:0] <ibuclaw> every problem, even... :/
436 [23:5:1] <forestpiskie> kettle on - back shortly ...
437 [23:5:3] <seidos> I think to start two channels makes sense, with one channel for us to regroup
438 [23:5:20] <seidos> *two, sorry to state the obvious
439 [23:5:41] <Rocket2DMn> o/
440 [23:5:47] <dvz-> or if it's that big of a deal to have another room, let's get rid of -help, move that mission to this channel and move our banter in with club-ubuntu or some other non-logged channel offered by ubuntu
441 [23:6:8] <pleia2> dvz-: club-ubuntu is *way* too scary
442 [23:6:16] <bodhi_zazen> dvz-: Sounds good in theory, I doubt it will work in practice
443 [23:6:40] <Rocket2DMn> I would be -1 for moving the team to another channel. We don't get support requests in here nearly often enough to up and move ourselves. Other teams have no issues redirection users to support channels, and its ok to offer support here if you'd like.
444 [23:6:40] <_marx_> pretend you are a 2 month old ubuntu user and a first time irc user: what would you expect from this channel?
445 [23:6:44] <nigel_nb> just a doubt, is everyone okay with logging if there is no banter here and we just help?
446 [23:6:57] <bodhi_zazen> +1 Rocket2DMn
447 [23:7:2] <dvz-> bodhi_zazen: so then we have two non-logged channels for ubuntu community...because teh BT is a subset of the ubuntu community...
448 [23:7:8] <ibuclaw> dvz-, if we move to club-ubuntu - how do you propose we separate members from non-members? eh? :)
449 [23:7:8] <Rocket2DMn> As for logging, I think we need to keep convos in here safe enough to be logged - if you have something personal to say that you dont want logged, open a PM to whoever you're speaking to or go ot another channel
450 [23:7:23] <FFEMTcJ> I'm not yet a member, but my suggestion: forward I think its possible) -help to -beginners, making that only one chan, and then create a - -team (or whatever you want to call it) for regular chatting
451 [23:7:25] <nigel_nb> +1 Rocket2DMn
452 [23:7:26] <Rocket2DMn> I'm not saying we SHOULD log, but anything said should be log-safe
453 [23:7:32] <dvz-> ibuclaw: we don't. we seperate members from nonmembers in this channel and lose our identities in club-ubuntu then.
454 [23:7:35] <forestpiskie> _marx_: I expected to be moved to wher I could get help - and was ...
455 [23:7:38] <ibuclaw> I'm pretty certain ##club-ubuntu wouldn't be happy for us to invade. ;)
456 [23:8:2] <pleia2> ibuclaw: there are a number of us who won't go to that channel
457 [23:8:17] <seidos> i would be -1 to moving the team to another channel too, but modifying ubuntu-beginners-help to ubuntu-beginners-lounge I wouldn't be opposed to
458 [23:8:24] <dvz-> i'm just shooting ideas, since it seems people don't want logging. they dont' want to move. yet they dont' want to compromise and work to identify a solution. (not everyone, some people).
459 [23:8:26] <bodhi_zazen> OK, lets get back on topic of logging this channel =)
460 [23:8:28] <seidos> I've always wanted to have a lounge where I worked
461 [23:8:41] <drubin> ibuclaw: I wont go into that channel
462 [23:8:42] <seidos> then log ubuntu-beginners and not ubuntu-beginners-cafe
463 [23:8:44] <ibuclaw> pleia2, that is understandable - large channels tend to accumulate their own unique groups of people.
464 [23:8:50] <bodhi_zazen> If we want to discuss team channels , move it to later in the meeting or mailing list or next meeting
465 [23:9:11] <bodhi_zazen> For now, What Rocket2DMn said :
466 [23:9:12] <seidos> never been to that channel
467 [23:9:25] <drubin> I vote no for logging this channel in its current state
468 [23:9:29] <bodhi_zazen> "We don't get support requests in here nearly often enough to up and move ourselves. Other teams have no issues redirection users to support channels, and its ok to offer support here if you'd like."
469 [23:9:34] <swoody> +1 drubin
470 [23:9:40] <dvz-> i'd propose that all discussion on irc restructuring and logging be first brought up in the IRC meeting this month on an isolated level to iron out pros and cons..
471 [23:9:49] <bodhi_zazen> .Vote "Log this channel"
472 [23:9:49] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: Log this channel
473 [23:9:49] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0
474 [23:9:49] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote
475 [23:9:54] <bodhi_zazen> 0
476 [23:9:55] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: I don't think that's really true, people are *Frequently* told to go to -help
477 [23:10:1] <Silver-Fox-> 0
478 [23:10:4] <drubin> -1
479 [23:10:6] <duanedesign> -1
480 [23:10:6] <swoody> -1
481 [23:10:8] <pleia2> -1
482 [23:10:9] <dvz-> -1
483 [23:10:13] <TuxPurple> 0
484 [23:10:16] <Rocket2DMn> 0
485 [23:10:24] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: people may help here or -help as far as I am concerned =)
486 [23:10:30] <Raidsong> -1
487 [23:10:33] <_CommandeR_> hi anyone knows how to patch wine ?
488 [23:10:48] <_CommandeR_> or know any good guide.
489 [23:10:48] <swoody> bodhi_zazen, but more than often, if someone is helping in here, they will be told to take it to -help
490 [23:10:52] <swoody> even if it's a small issue
491 [23:11:9] <bodhi_zazen> I do not have a problem with the either swoody
492 [23:11:11] <drubin> I suggest we change the topic then. it is kinda rude.
493 [23:11:11] <dvz-> bodhi_zazen: they may as far as your concerned, but where you're not concerned, they're redirected to -help.
494 [23:11:37] <bodhi_zazen> really, at the end of the day , we are not primarily a support channel and I do not see asking to move to -help as that big a deal
495 [23:11:43] <ibuclaw> -1
496 [23:11:52] <bodhi_zazen> it is not as if we are passing the person to #ubuntu or some unknown
497 [23:11:52] <dvz-> bodhi_zazen: we are a support group.
498 [23:12:5] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: often when people come here it's because someone else within Ubuntu told them about this team
499 [23:12:11] <drubin> Ok i really need to get some sleep sorry guys. I have voted.
500 [23:12:13] <bodhi_zazen> er are prividing one-on-one support in -help and it does not ge tmuch better then taht
501 [23:12:17] <dvz-> so whether we are a support channel or not...we innately assume the roles of a support channel because of our nature as a support group.
502 [23:12:22] <pleia2> so they joined their loco team, someone told them to join -beginners.... THEN we tell them to join -help...
503 [23:12:30] <bodhi_zazen> Any other votes for logging ?
504 [23:13:1] <bodhi_zazen> .Vote
505 [23:13:1] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: Log this channel
506 [23:13:1] <Votebot> 11 People Voted. 0 People For. 7 People Against. 4 People Neutral.
507 [23:13:31] <bodhi_zazen> pleia2: I do not see a problem with that
508 [23:13:48] <bodhi_zazen> I most channels , when people are told to join say #ubuntu what happens ?
509 [23:13:53] <pleia2> bodhi_zazen: people complain about it, being bumped to a bunch of different channels is frustrating (espcially when you already have a problem)
510 [23:14:18] <bodhi_zazen> the person who sent them to #ubuntu does not follow or provide support
511 [23:14:18] <nigel_nb> bodhi_zazen: what about logging in -help?
512 [23:14:18] <swoody> +1 pleia2
513 [23:14:22] <bodhi_zazen> here, people are moved to -help and support is provided, totally different
514 [23:14:23] <Rocket2DMn> pleia2, better than ignoring them. We don't always want to drop what we are doing atm to provide support for somebody
515 [23:14:34] <swoody> I think we should make our 'team chat' channel more obscure to find than our 'support' channel
516 [23:14:46] <Rocket2DMn> I don't only sit here when I want to be available to help people, I have other things that I participate in
517 [23:14:46] <dvz-> and further, -help has fewer people in it ...what's wrong with maintaining the help in the support team's main channel where just about everyone resides when they log on?
518 [23:15:2] <swoody> on top of that, it would prevent a new user from getting another detour
519 [23:15:47] <swoody> think about how 'fun' it is when you call an 800 # to try and get help, to be passed along from department to department...
520 [23:15:48] <bodhi_zazen> IMO, people here should NOT move someone to -help without being willing to join the person in -help and provide support =)
521 [23:16:0] <bodhi_zazen> doing so is rude and passing the person on
522 [23:16:1] <Rocket2DMn> i disagree bodhi_zazen
523 [23:16:16] <Rocket2DMn> Would you prefer that we just ignore them?
524 [23:16:21] <Silver-Fox-> +1 bodhi_zazen
525 [23:16:32] <seidos> I can see how this is an issue. We're a group first and foremost, our function is secondary to that fact
526 [23:17:18] <bodhi_zazen> No, but if you can not help them, don't send them to -help, that channel is way to quiet
527 [23:17:18] <seidos> I'm probably over stepping, since I'm not technically in the group
528 [23:17:18] <bodhi_zazen> at least move them to #ubuntu
529 [23:17:18] <seidos> :|
530 [23:17:22] <swoody> seidos, I think it can be looked at in the reverse as well. We all have a common goal, without that goal, we are not a team :)
531 [23:17:42] <Rocket2DMn> I always provide both channels as options when I redirect users
532 [23:18:7] <seidos> i suppose so
533 [23:18:8] <bodhi_zazen> Basically, be polite and as helpful as possible then
534 [23:18:20] <pleia2> I think we should have the IRC FG put together a few proposals (I know they've been discussing channel organization) and revisit this
535 [23:18:24] <Rocket2DMn> +1
536 [23:18:43] <Rocket2DMn> (that was for bodhi's comment)
537 [23:18:44] <bodhi_zazen> I am going to have to go in 10 minutes =)
538 [23:18:48] <dvz-> so...what is the problem if someone is helping someone and they're going on helping the problem int he main room. i've been told several times to relocate my help to -help (when this room is dead)
539 [23:19:8] <bodhi_zazen> I do not have a problem with that dvz-
540 [23:19:15] <seidos> swoody: it can be looked at that way, but i think that's why the channels are separate, etc.
541 [23:19:23] <dvz-> bodhi_zazen: you may not, but other people have other opinions.
542 [23:19:45] <nigel_nb> \query bodhi_zazen
543 [23:20:15] <swoody> dvz-, very true
544 [23:21:0] <seidos> #ubuntu-beginners-team?
545 [23:21:3] <ibuclaw> dvz-, if anyone butts into conversation to move support to -help, let me know =)
546 [23:21:57] <seidos> it's probably perfect how it is, if i just figured it out
547 [23:22:39] <bodhi_zazen> shall we move on to new members ?
548 [23:22:47] <forestpiskie> please ...
549 [23:22:48] <swoody> indeed :)
550 [23:22:51] <bodhi_zazen> discuss team channels on mailing list and revisit next meeting ?
551 [23:22:54] <Silver-Fox-> Yes
552 [23:23:2] <swoody> sounds good, bodhi_zazen
553 [23:23:14] <bodhi_zazen> === NEW MEMBERS ===
554 [23:23:17] <forestpiskie> ibuclaw: if it goes on and on then it should be elsewhere ino
555 [23:23:23] <forestpiskie> +1 bodhi_zazen
556 [23:23:24] <bodhi_zazen> nigel_nb: you are up =)
557 [23:23:29] <bodhi_zazen> tell us about yourself
558 [23:23:32] <nigel_nb> :) thanks bodhi_zazen
559 [23:24:6] <nigel_nb> I've been around with BT for the past month and a half. Been able to work with a very nice team and fellow team members. I started of helping with wiki and forums
560 [23:24:25] <duanedesign> wiki?
561 [23:24:28] <nigel_nb> now, I mostly help on IRC whenever I can and answer questions on Launchpad
562 [23:24:48] <bodhi_zazen> w00t
563 [23:24:48] <nigel_nb> duanedesign: yes, I cleaned up the swap page on my first few days
564 [23:25:1] <nigel_nb> lately, I've been working with pleia2 and the UCLP
565 [23:25:5] <bodhi_zazen> .Vote " nigel_nb for membership"
566 [23:25:5] <Votebot> We Are Now Voting On: nigel_nb for membership
567 [23:25:5] <Votebot> Vote with +1, -1, or 0
568 [23:25:5] <Votebot> You can also /msg Votebot your vote
569 [23:25:11] <duanedesign> +1
570 [23:25:12] <pleia2> +1
571 [23:25:15] <bodhi_zazen> +1
572 [23:25:18] <Rocket2DMn> +1
573 [23:25:30] <ibuclaw> +1
574 [23:25:44] <Silver-Fox-> PM vote
575 [23:25:55] <forestpiskie> +1
576 [23:26:48] <ibuclaw> forestpiskie, on and on I can deal with.
577 [23:26:53] <swoody> +1
578 [23:27:4] <nigel_nb> whoa! thanks guys :)
579 [23:27:4] <bodhi_zazen> Any additional votes ?
580 [23:27:52] <bodhi_zazen> .Vote
581 [23:27:52] <Votebot> We Are Done Voting On: nigel_nb for membership
582 [23:27:52] <Votebot> 9 People Voted. 9 People For. 0 People Against. 0 People Neutral.
583 [23:27:57] <swoody> welcome aboard nigel_nb!
584 [23:28:4] <forestpiskie> elsewhere then ibuclaw :D
585 [23:28:6] <nigel_nb> w00t :)
586 [23:28:8] <swoody> Keep up the good work :D
587 [23:28:10] <nigel_nb> thanks swoody
588 [23:28:33] <dvz-> +1
589 [23:28:35] <dvz-> srry
590 [23:28:43] <dvz-> lol know i voted for you in my heart nigel
591 [23:28:55] <nigel_nb> dvz-: thanks, I know you did :)
592 [23:29:2] <bodhi_zazen> =)
593 [23:29:2] <FFEMTcJ> ouch
594 [23:29:20] <nigel_nb> I was waiting for that ceremonial kick :P
595 [23:29:21] <bodhi_zazen> nigel_nb: LP name ?
596 [23:29:25] <swoody> :)
597 [23:29:28] <nigel_nb> nigelbabu
598 [23:29:33] <bodhi_zazen> any other issues to discuss ?
599 [23:29:35] <nigel_nb> https://launchpad.net/~nigelbabu
600 [23:30:23] <forestpiskie> wb nigel_nb
601 [23:30:40] <paul-tizzle> hey all
602 [23:30:45] <duanedesign> good timing paul-tizzle
603 [23:30:50] <duanedesign> :p
604 [23:30:50] <bodhi_zazen> nigel_nb: https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-beginners
605 [23:30:51] <paul-tizzle> How did the meeting I missed go?
606 [23:31:0] <Silver-Fox-> I would ask why, but that would be a foolish question
607 [23:31:1] <duanedesign> we are just finishing
608 [23:31:25] <duanedesign> nigel_nb just got his ceremonial /KICK
609 [23:31:36] <nigel_nb> hehe
610 [23:31:47] <duanedesign> :)
611 [23:31:58] <forestpiskie> night ...
612 [23:32:8] <bodhi_zazen> === END MEETING ===