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CD space situation: As we now earned a second (for GTK3) webkit, we grew another 7 MB, having 22 MB oversizedness now (20110606 image). Colin made up for it by dropping all development support from ship/ship-live (will be on today's images). Another ~ 5 MB will be dropped by switching to live-build, and Martin has a 5.7 MB saving in the pipeline from gnome-icon-theme. desktop-o-cdspace has some more ideas, but they require some serious work. So we are down to 5 MB oversizedness. compiz split just won 1.5 additional MB
- gnome-icon-theme is now split into a small "install by default" package (which just ships the icons that humanity doesn't provide), and a big gnome-icon-theme-full. Please let me know about any missing icons you see. (Martin)
Fixed up several issues of mDNS/DNS-SD broadcasting of shared printers by CUPS. Now using these broadcasts by clients actually works, especially Apple's AirPrint. So if you have a mobile device from Apple (iPad, iPhone, IPod Touch, with iOS 4.2 or newer, update via iTunes if needed), please test whether you can print. Also Mac OS X should find your shared printers in its default configuration. See LP: #711779, LP: #792309, LP: #793265. Fix available in Oneiric and Natty (-proposed) (TillKamppeter).
Updated system-config-printer to version 1.3.3 (incorporated 23 of our patches) and HPLIP 3.11.5 (TillKamppeter).
Started communication about introduction of color management with Debian (TillKamppeter).
OneConf is now de-desktopcouchified and perform way faster than before (removed a lot of overengineering, but still let it extensible by design).
- Oneiric is now tracking the Thunderbird beta. enigmail updated and lightning is on the way (chrisccoulson)
- Most of the work has been done (and tested) to transition Lucid to the Firefox rapid release schedule. Maverick mostly there but not tested yet (chrisccoulson)
- We've got a plan for updating Natty to Firefox 5 on June 21st (chrisccoulson/pitti)
- empathy 3.1.1 uploaded with all the libindicate patches removed, replaced functionality with telepathy-indicator (kenvandine)
- telepathy-indicator uploaded, provides most of the messaging menu integration we had before, major missing piece still is indicators for unfocused chats (kenvandine)
- GNOME3 work continued, most of it is in oneiric (ubuntu-desktop team effort)
- gtk2themeshim will land next week, this provides a gtk2 theme based on a gtk3 so we only need to manage a single theme
- Ted will work on getting the gtk3 ports that have been proposed merged
Compiz finally got a SRU! Available right now in oneiric, it's in natty-proposed as well. We need fix verification: we need people confirming the fixes for compiz, compiz-plugins-main, unity-place-files, unity-place-applications and unity itself to deliver the goodness to the world: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/pending-sru.html
Unity-2d: we have a Qt segfault in unity-2d-places since Qt was rebuilt with gcc 4.6. Rebuilding with 4.5 makes the segfault not appearing. Trying different solution (with new gcc and additional fixes backported), in my ppa. Bug reported https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/791213 and dicussion started upstream as well http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-19736
- Released Software Center 4.1.5, includes:
- Many bug fixes and usability improvements
- Weblive featured updated for x2go, many thanks to Stéphane Graber
- Further backend refactoring
- Package merge status
- Merge with Debian, multi-arch branch, and upstream stable 7.10 branch largely complete.
Additionally, patch factoring out a libgallium.so shared library in testing & cleanup. Currently shaves ~2MiB per gallium driver, at the cost of a 1.5MiB libgallium, for a net saving of ~4MiB in libgl1-mesa-dri.
- Upload requires llvm-2.9 MIR; in progress, waiting on armel build of openjdk-6b18 to check for test-suite regressions.
- Xserver 1.10.2 merged from Debian, upload pending mesa upload to pick up multi-arch DRI paths.
- Otherwise pretty well in sync with Debian, with the exception of some of the lesser-used input drivers.
IRC log Western edition
17:31:12 pitti https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-06-07 17:31:17 tkamppeter Everyone has printed from his iPhone? 17:31:22 pitti -ENOIPHONE 17:31:27 pitti can I print from android? 17:31:34 pitti tkamppeter: nice fixes! 17:31:37 chrisccoulson didrocks, do i have to buy you a beer for every MB i consume with tbird? 17:31:50 pitti now THAT sounds like a balanced budget! 17:31:50 chrisccoulson you're going to be getting very, very drunk 17:31:55 tkamppeter pitti, unfortunately only with an app. 17:31:55 chrisccoulson heh :) 17:31:57 kenvandine :) 17:31:57 didrocks chrisccoulson: heh, it's tbird, so it's more than a 1 ratio! :) 17:31:59 seb128 what do I need to do to get people being me beers? ;-) 17:32:11 pitti clean GTK 2 :) 17:32:13 pitti anyway, let's start 17:32:22 pitti kenvandine: anything new from partner? 17:32:34 kenvandine yeah 17:32:51 kenvandine from DX 17:32:54 kenvandine gtk2themeshim will land next week, this provides a gtk2 theme based on a gtk3 so we only need to manage a single theme 17:32:55 pitti oh, it's in the wiki 17:32:59 kenvandine yup :) 17:33:04 pitti oh, nice! 17:33:11 pitti a CSS theme interpreter for GTK 2? 17:33:19 kenvandine and tedg is going to spend some quality time with LP to get all the gtk3 ports mterry did merged 17:33:26 kenvandine something like that 17:33:35 pitti are any indicators still missing which need help? 17:33:44 pitti missing -> need to be ported, I mean 17:33:45 kenvandine i think datetime 17:34:00 kenvandine and the applet 17:34:11 kenvandine i should put together a list of what is done and what needs to be done :) 17:34:13 mterry appmenu, blocking on wnck debian packaging issues 17:34:17 rodrigo_ also, vino indicator patch needs porting, but that's not indicators themselves 17:34:26 seb128 indicator-applets as well, I had a look but there was a first patch from mterry that needed to be reviewed and merged then there is some gtkstyle hacks to clean 17:34:50 seb128 mterry, ok, let's not bother about that just move the wnckprop in the libwnck3 17:34:51 pitti mterry: oh, anything we should fix in Debian libwnck then? 17:35:16 mterry pitti, yes. libwnck-3-dev ships wnckprop as does libwnck-dev, so both can't be installed at once 17:35:32 mterry I filed a bug, but wasn't sure how maintainers wanted to deal with it, so didn't file a patch 17:35:33 seb128 pitti, we should just move it to libexec or something 17:35:33 pitti ah, but we need to, so that we can build both indicator variants from one source, I guess 17:35:44 mterry pitti, right 17:35:45 kenvandine yeah 17:35:51 pitti ok, let's discuss after meeting 17:35:52 seb128 pitti, it's a debug helper, not something for users 17:35:57 mterry this was actually blocking a gtk3 port of libbamf, which appmenu needs 17:36:21 seb128 pitti, right, let's sort that after the meeting 17:36:25 pitti kenvandine: how did the telepathy indicator shim go? 17:36:26 kenvandine that is all i have, no update on U1 right now 17:36:27 pitti I saw the package land 17:36:29 kenvandine yes 17:36:42 kenvandine it provides most of the functionality we had before 17:36:46 kenvandine not quite done with it 17:36:52 pitti but nice to see it land at last 17:36:58 kenvandine yeah 17:37:09 kenvandine dropped those huge patches from empathy :) 17:37:23 pitti you already did? 17:37:24 kenvandine pitti, i gave up on vala for it, and rewrote it in C 17:37:27 kenvandine yes 17:37:34 pitti sweet 17:37:42 pitti ok, thanks 17:37:54 pitti didrocks: thanks for the unity wiki update; anything to discuss from your side? 17:38:10 didrocks nothing special in addition to what is on the wiki 17:38:21 didrocks which is: please, test the SRU if you have a natty box 17:38:28 didrocks and I suffer with Qt :-) 17:38:35 rodrigo_ :) 17:39:07 pitti didrocks: the fun with g++ 4.6? 17:39:22 didrocks pitti: yeah, depending on the definition of "fun" :-) 17:39:43 didrocks I put great hope in my current rebuild on rebuild on rebuild from my ppa :-) 17:39:57 pitti crossing fingers! 17:40:06 didrocks but upstream is reactive, so should be fine 17:40:25 pitti tremolux: what's the word on s-c? 17:40:33 tremolux heyo 17:40:51 tremolux well, lots of small things in this week's release 17:40:54 pitti I see you have quite a number of big WIs for alpha-2 on it 17:41:14 tremolux yeah 17:41:36 pitti do you think it's realistic, i. e. do you actually have time to work on them, or are you busy with fixing non-WI stuff? 17:41:45 tremolux this may change I think, also because we will be getting new UI design requirements in about 3 weeks 17:42:06 tremolux I think I'm going to have to check priorities on those 17:42:12 tremolux the WIs I mean 17:42:18 pitti oh, does that mean we should move the a2 WIs to a later point, and do something UI agnostic first? 17:42:42 tremolux yes, maybe the UI-specific ones 17:42:46 tremolux makes sense 17:43:25 pitti want to do that yourself? you probably have a better idea what's prone to change and what not? 17:43:35 tremolux yep, I will 17:43:37 pitti thanks 17:43:50 tremolux sure...oh, on thing 17:44:02 pitti you, didrocks, and chrisccoulson have the most/biggest WIs for alpha-2 17:44:04 tremolux there is a task for enhancing the Unity launcher integration 17:44:22 chrisccoulson heh 17:44:28 tremolux (I wanted to make sure didrocks knows) 17:44:34 tremolux but we can talk about that :) 17:44:45 didrocks tremolux: thanks for working on this! :-) 17:45:04 didrocks (and good luck, not an easy task) 17:45:10 pitti mterry also has a lot, but these look comparatively small and realistic <- mterry, check? 17:45:12 tremolux hehe 17:45:20 mterry pitti, yeah I believe so 17:45:31 mterry pitti, I can do a recheck this week 17:45:42 pitti mterry: is your main blocker the MIR? 17:46:07 mterry pitti, for deja-dup? No, the main blocker is largely waiting for duplicity to release with my Ubuntu One backend 17:46:11 pitti ah 17:46:18 mterry Though I suppose I could distro patch it; upstream said they would take it 17:47:25 mterry I'm giving them another week, since that's when I'll do another DD release anyway. I can distro patch if it hasn't landed by then 17:48:57 pitti ok, sounds good 17:49:24 pitti chrisccoulson: should we discuss TB/downsizing here, or will that be discussed in tomorrow's meeting? 17:49:40 chrisccoulson pitti - we can wait until tomorrow 17:49:43 pitti ok 17:49:55 pitti this is probably the biggest A2 spec 17:50:37 pitti well, at least your first one on http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-2.html#chrisccoulson is done, I think :) 17:50:55 pitti AOB? 17:51:11 chrisccoulson pitti - yeah, i should close that one :) 17:51:14 rodrigo_ yes, when do we plan to start uploading gnome 3.1.x? 17:51:23 rodrigo_ after A2? 17:51:31 pitti good point, I was about to ask the same 17:51:41 pitti could we already start with glib 2.9 and gtk 3.1? 17:51:46 pitti seb128: ^ 17:51:51 pitti or do you think it's too early? 17:52:08 rodrigo_ I think it should be ok, no big changes in neither of them, afaik 17:52:09 seb128 hum 17:52:21 rodrigo_ big changes = incompatibilies 17:52:23 seb128 rodrigo_, the issue is not changes it's to keep with bi-weekly updates 17:52:45 seb128 we spend lot of time to do every point updates when we start early and that cut in time we have for workitems 17:52:53 rodrigo_ yes, but it'll give us time to rebase again, if needed, our patches 17:52:56 seb128 but I did plan to start looking at glib 2.29 this week 17:52:57 rodrigo_ yes, right 17:53:02 seb128 we could start with the stack for sure 17:53:07 rodrigo_ ok 17:53:28 seb128 rodrigo_, well the issue is not patches rebasing, it's doing a stack of point updates, building, testing etc every 2 or 3 weeks 17:53:35 seb128 it usually cost 2 days full for 2 or 3 people 17:53:44 seb128 but agreed we can start slowly on it 17:53:58 seb128 http://live.gnome.org/ThreePointOne/ 17:54:03 rodrigo_ seb128, right, so maybe we could just wait for 3.1.2, do the 1st upload, and then wait for 2 releases? 17:54:58 pitti or just update the platform libraries, and keep the apps for now? 17:55:12 pitti it might be better to do the theme development etc. with gtk 3.1 17:55:18 rodrigo_ yes 17:55:31 seb128 right 17:55:32 rodrigo_ also, some stuff in WI is only in 3.1, like the NTP stuff 17:55:38 rodrigo_ in g-s-d 17:55:48 seb128 3.1.2 seems a good one to start but let's not force ourself to update everything just because there is a tarball maybe 17:55:53 rodrigo_ but yes, starting with the stack is better :) 17:55:55 seb128 let's update things we have interest in 17:55:58 pitti *nod* 17:56:00 rodrigo_ ok 17:56:10 seb128 I will have a look to glib 2.29 tomorrow 17:56:16 pitti no need to do the threadmill with every gnome-panel version etc. 17:56:25 rodrigo_ :) 17:56:32 seb128 that will be needed for gtk 3.1 and it will need some packaging change for the gdbus utilities that landed 17:56:54 seb128 I would like to get it in debian as well if possible 17:57:12 seb128 sounds fine for everybody? 17:57:18 pitti right, stuff like gdbus-code-gen becomes a blocker 17:57:32 seb128 the things we will need most next is the indicator stack on gtk3 17:57:33 rodrigo_ seb128, yes, sounds great for me 17:57:42 seb128 but dx and mterry and some others are working on that 17:58:13 seb128 well it's not technically breaking anything, gnome-panel works without indicator but it would be nice to get those so unity is not blocked on another transition if they want to switch 18:00:07 pitti ok, thanks everyone 18:00:09 seb128 pitti, back to you? 18:00:09 pitti sounds like a wrap? 18:00:17 seb128 it does ;-) 18:00:17 seb128 thanks 18:00:46 kenvandine yup 18:01:32 tremolux thanks everybody 18:01:35 didrocks thanks
IRC log Eastern edition
<bryceh> RAOF, robert_ancell, TheMuso: meeting time? <robert_ancell> yep <RAOF> I believe that it's 9am, yes :) <bryceh> Jason's away to the airport and asked that I chair the meeting today alrighty, robert_ancell want to kick us off? how's lightdm coming? :-) <robert_ancell> coming along good. Seems to be working well on most peoples boxes <TheMuso> Sure. <robert_ancell> I believe it just got on the seed and displaced gdm for Oneiric so preparing for floods of reports! <bryceh> sweetness <RAOF> Is the plymouth integration madness hooked up? <robert_ancell> I've implemeted it, and it's working until someone tells me otherwise :) <RAOF> Heh, ok. Looks like it's time to reboot a box or two :) <bryceh> robert_ancell, saw the discussion about keyboard layout stuff, sounds like you have a sane approach worked out, to the limits of my own keyboard layout knowhow people seem not shy about filing bug reports when keyboard stuff isn't right ;-) <robert_ancell> The next main feature in 0.4.0 will be guest logins and some stuff under the hood to make it more stable (particularly unittests) yeah, keyboard/language is a bit of a black art! <bryceh> ok, moving on... TheMuso how's your week been going? <TheMuso> Not too bad, got all of at-spi2 into main as of the next dailies, it should be used by default. Still doing Qt a11y testing, will be pushing patches for Qt to didrocks by EOW. And still got to get the qt at-spi bridge uploaded and into main. Also started working on ubiquity a11y work. Thats the extent of my week pretty much. <bryceh> cool. pardon my ignorance, what is at-spi? (just idly curious) ah assistive technology service provider interface TheMuso, ok great <TheMuso> Yeah, its the core API/ipc for getting a11y stuff from apps, and getting it to a screen reader/magnifier etc. <bryceh> RAOF, up to your eyeballs in mesa merging I should guess? <RAOF> Yup. <bryceh> how's that going? <RAOF> Got some nice savings in the gallium drivers by factoring out another shared library. They're now about a third as large (so ~3MB → ~1MB) <bryceh> nice had much chance to look at bug reports on mesa? anything interesting there? <RAOF> The upload is pending a llvm-2.9 MIR, which is pending a build of openjdk-6b18 on armel to check for test-suite regressions. Nothing particularly interesting has landed in my Mesa bugmail box (yet ☺). <bryceh> RAOF, would you mind jotting down about our current package merge status in https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-06-07 when you get a moment? I neglected to do that last week speaking of mesa, I traded a couple emails with keithp on the topic of post-release mesa updates <RAOF> bryceh: Certainly. I'll do it before rebooting to check that plymouth integration isn't broken :) <bryceh> I outlined what we're facing as SRU requirements in getting mesa patches (let alone point releases) accepted, and he seemed receptive and said they were consistent with the requirements he wants to impose on mesa 7.11 point releases so even if we can't do full point releases, *maybe* we'll have more actionable mesa patches this time through he did suggest that there might be a regression test for mesa we could look at hooking up... I'll have to follow up on that more <RAOF> I think keithp has a pretty good understanding of what's required in a stable branch. <bryceh> agreed <RAOF> bryceh: Other than piglit? Interesting. <bryceh> sounded like it <RAOF> It'll run into the problem of needing to be run on actual hardware though. <bryceh> yep other than this, I've been toolsmithing and sponsoring various bugfix patches. Lots of bug reporters needing debugging advice too. I also took the role of Ubuntu stakeholder for Launchpad, so have been conversing with folks about ideas on how we could improve Launchpad to Ubuntu's benefit. Fun stuff. :-) <RAOF> Yay! I can't think of a better LP liason than you. <bryceh> ok, did we miss anyone? If not, AOB? <TheMuso> Nope