Actions from previous meeting
Actions from this meeting
Spent a lot of time untangling the /run transition. (Martin)
- cups-pk-helper MIR was mostly approved; should we use that in control-center now? (Martin)
- Packaged python3-gobject to unblock large chunks of the Python 3 transition (Martin)
- Bad news for CD oversizedness: we don't actually have 15 MB of ibus-pinyin to drop, that only was 1.5 MB due to the clever seeding; so we need to reduce something else, like the duplicate webkit.
Updated Ghostscript to a 9.04 snapshot. Unfortunately it does not fix LP: #668800. The upstream developers are working on it. Agreed on a release of GS 9.04 before our FF with upstream (TillKamppeter).
Packaged cloudprint (Google Cloud printing on local printers), package is still waiting in NEW (TillKamppeter).
Sent out e-mail to coordinate introduction of Google Cloud Print support in Ubuntu (TillKamppeter).
OneConf: good progresses, client side now know how to talk to the server ubuntu-webcatalog. ubuntu-webcatalog won a OneConf API and handlers. Needs to implement the real model (ISV will do it). Also a mock client is now available to make some unit tests easy)
- Started a discussion about XDG_CURRENT_DESKTOP support on the XDG list. Seems mostly positive so far. (mterry)
- Fixed some bugs with LDTP and GTK+ 3; for rewritten/better a11y support, use GTK+ trunk (ppa:ricotz/staging has it) (mterry)
- indicator-me was replaced by new functionality included in indicator-session and indicator-messages
- indicator-power is still iterating, frequent releases right now
- still nothing agreed to with the release process changes (ppa vs. SRU)
- Unity GL:
- New Alt + Tab plugin available in trunk. First regressions detected, already under fixing.
- Wait for next release on Thursday to get it into Oneiric.
New release (0.9.5.0) for Compiz and its 6 components (plugins-main, plugins-extra, libcompizconfig, gconf-backend, python-compizconfig, ccsm). With ABI break, don't do any partial upgrade and wait for new Unity to be rebuilt as well
- part 2 of the unity dialogs landed (final look and feel) with the new unity-window-decorator.
Please tag "0.9.5.0" for all new regressions: known regressions.
- Unity 2D:
- dconf-qt landed, but will need some new API (gsettings list support). Discussion with desrt in progress. Maybe as well, the -dev package will be finally needed
- gsettings branch (first cut) proposed, but depends on dconf-qt
- merge requests on gtk3 indicator suppport done. Long patch series, will be reviewed for next release (next Monday)
- Released Software Center version 4.1.9, includes crash fixes and improvements to review editing feature
Continued steady progress on GTK3 port with 5.0 design elements (thanks Matt McGowan!)
- In progress this week:
- UI enhancements and speedup for standalone deb installation feature
- In testing now: Server side support for editing and deleting reviews
IRC log Western edition
17:31:43 pitti https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-07-19 17:31:46 pitti hello everyone! 17:32:03 didrocks hey 17:32:13 tremolux hiya 17:32:30 rodrigo_ hi all 17:32:36 mterry hi 17:33:01 pitti so, let's dive right in 17:33:07 pitti kenvandine: thanks for the partner update on the wiki 17:33:42 pitti kenvandine: so the new icon/name thing in the panel without a menu is now not the me menu any more? 17:33:52 kenvandine pitti, right 17:33:58 kenvandine that is provided by indicator-session 17:34:10 kenvandine and is only displayed if you have more than one user 17:34:20 pitti kenvandine: let me guess, wasting 15% of your panel to show your own name was a design decision? :-) 17:34:23 kenvandine https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MessagingMenu 17:34:25 kenvandine for the design 17:34:34 kenvandine :-D 17:34:42 pitti kenvandine: is the absense of a menu a bug, or by design? 17:34:51 kenvandine by design 17:34:53 kenvandine however 17:35:18 kenvandine it means guest session is missing if you only have one account 17:35:20 pitti then breaking the menu structure certainly is a bug 17:35:22 tkamppeter hi 17:35:46 pitti kenvandine: well, it's missing now, too 17:36:01 pitti kenvandine: the session menu only has the logout/reboot stuff, and there's no change user/guest session etc. anywhere 17:36:05 pitti or a link to your personal settings 17:36:10 kenvandine rightt 17:36:22 kenvandine that stuff is in the "User menu" 17:36:29 kenvandine which is only displayed if you have more than one account 17:36:46 pitti but didn't you just say that it's designed to not have a menu? 17:36:56 kenvandine so no way to get to the guest session unless you have multiple accounts 17:36:56 * pitti has three accounts on this machine 17:37:09 seb128 the menu not showing is an unity bug 17:37:11 kenvandine oh, you see your name and no menu right? 17:37:13 kenvandine that is a bug 17:37:27 seb128 njpatel said he would fix it for this week unity update 17:37:36 pitti ah, ok 17:37:38 seb128 it works in the unity greeter 17:37:46 kenvandine tedg is supposed to be working out what we are supposed to do about the lack of a menu for guest session, etc 17:37:50 kenvandine for single users 17:37:51 seb128 something is wrong in the unity panel loader 17:37:52 pitti seb128: not really -- I get an [Invalid UTF-8] there :) 17:38:02 pitti anyway, not meeting fodder at this point any more 17:38:07 pitti but I was interested in the general direction 17:38:07 seb128 pitti, same bug it displays a menu when clicking on it ;-) 17:38:09 pitti thanks for the update 17:38:15 kenvandine np 17:38:35 pitti still ugh@ full user name 17:38:48 pitti kenvandine: whom can we talk to for changing this back to the login name? 17:39:11 pitti on a netbook screen, "Jean-Baptiste Lallement" would take a third of the screen, leaving not enough room for menus 17:39:29 pitti we should totally require designers to have four names! 17:39:34 kenvandine mpt i think 17:39:38 kenvandine haha 17:39:46 kenvandine mpt ^^ 17:39:50 pitti "Matthew-Paul Thomas" isn't exactly short either 17:39:54 kenvandine mpt, lets change your name 17:41:24 seb128 it's displaying seb128 here 17:41:39 seb128 but that's probably because I didn't put my full name with my user account ;-) 17:41:44 kenvandine hehe 17:41:44 didrocks it's displaying nothing there, and I have two users… 17:42:06 pitti didrocks: anything to discuss for unity? 17:42:16 pitti yay for indicator-gtk3 17:42:45 didrocks pitti: nothing more than what the report said :) 17:42:55 pitti cool 17:43:17 pitti tremolux: thanks for the s-c report, anything to discuss there? 17:43:33 pitti tremolux: do you think the new design branch will land for alpha-3, so that we can get some bigger feedback? 17:43:34 tremolux pitti: nope, mainly trying to catch up some work items this week 17:44:03 tremolux pitti: still to early to tell for sure, but I would tend to think it won't 17:44:12 tremolux pitti: as default, I mean 17:44:47 pitti tremolux: so it'll be a perky penguin thing then? 17:45:20 tremolux pitti: heh, well, it's not ruled out yet for O, but.. 17:45:38 tremolux pitti: it's a lot of changes 17:45:58 tremolux pitti: probably perky, I guess I'm saying 17:46:28 pitti ok, thanks for the heads-up 17:46:43 pitti tremolux: well, the current s-c works, so we aren't "under the gun" here, right? 17:46:53 pitti tremolux: or did we get regressions under gnome 3? 17:47:04 tremolux pitti: exactly, and we are pulling in some 5.0 features still 17:47:12 tremolux pitti: no, it seems in good shape 17:47:26 pitti good to hear; thanks for the update! 17:47:33 tremolux pitti: thanks! 17:47:39 pitti which brings us to ... http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/canonical-desktop-team-oneiric-alpha-3.html :) 17:47:52 pitti chrisccoulson: what's the current word on the tbird integration? 17:48:11 pitti chrisccoulson: seems some are actually done, like charline's user testing 17:48:26 chrisccoulson yeah, that one is done now 17:48:31 pitti and the "Discuss strategy for creating new Ubuntu One address book" is actually three WIs 17:48:38 pitti did that come up in the last meeting? 17:48:52 chrisccoulson the launcher integration is done too 17:49:08 chrisccoulson oh, i don't think we mentioned that one in the end 17:49:36 pitti chrisccoulson: can you put it on tomorrow's agenda? 17:49:48 pitti strategic discussion is already quite late at this point 17:49:49 chrisccoulson pitti - yeah, will do 17:49:59 pitti thanks 17:50:33 pitti bryceh, RAOF: should we move https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/multimedia-desktop-n-xorg-multihead-defaults to p at this point, or do you still want to work on this for o? 17:50:41 pitti (^ for eastern edition) 17:51:22 pitti kenvandine: new gwibber landed, great! looks like the remaining things on https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-gwibber-gtk3 are now "nice to have" extra features? 17:51:26 pitti or do they represent regressions? 17:51:38 kenvandine both 17:51:48 kenvandine and there are some regressions not listed there 17:52:02 kenvandine working through them though! 17:52:04 kenvandine :) 17:52:17 kenvandine will land another release tomorrow 17:52:33 pitti nice 17:52:42 pitti seb128: for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-screensaver, do we actually have cycles to reintegrate hacks? 17:53:01 pitti seb128: or should we perhaps just slightly patch the top bar to not look so shell specific? 17:53:04 seb128 it's going to be difficult 17:53:18 pitti that's what I thought 17:53:30 seb128 we will probably have extra GNOME3 work still with new things like the online account or contacts browser work 17:53:47 seb128 not counting some design changes suggestion that should come as well 17:53:48 pitti over to perky then? 17:54:06 seb128 let's make it not look like g-s at least yes 17:54:15 chrisccoulson we can just turn off the top bar can't we? 17:54:26 seb128 chrisccoulson, you said you would maybe be interested to bring the hack code back, do you think you will cycles for it? 17:54:28 pitti well, having a clock isn't too bad 17:54:29 rodrigo_ yes, I think so 17:54:46 seb128 chrisccoulson, or is tb going to keep you busy full time for the cycle? 17:54:57 chrisccoulson seb128, i was going to look at it, but there was talk at the rally about using lightdm to lock the screen. is that still the case? 17:55:07 seb128 good point 17:55:29 seb128 well that doesn't change that if we want hacks support we should still have a renderer for them and a config ui 17:55:49 seb128 but worth checking with robert_ancell if he thinks he will have time to make lightdm the lock screen 17:56:25 pitti kenvandine: discussion in parallel, the avatar thing is done in the current version for https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-telepathy-indicator ? or is that something else still? 17:56:40 kenvandine that is blocked by libindicate and gtk3 17:56:49 kenvandine i'll followup with tedg on that 17:57:31 pitti seb128: so how about I file an alpha-3 bug about improving the gnome-screensaver panel, and we move that spec to p? 17:57:35 seb128 pitti, well realistically move the hacks work to next cycle and keep the "redesign the lock screen" to this cycle 17:57:45 pitti nice :) 17:58:04 seb128 the goal was to use the same design for login and lock screen I think 17:58:07 seb128 but we should check 17:58:23 seb128 - if lightdm is going to be used or if we need a lightdm like screen for gnome-screensaver 17:58:32 seb128 - if robert_ancell will have time for it 17:58:45 seb128 - otherwise fallback to minimal tweaking 17:58:53 seb128 like not displaying a top bar or something 17:59:03 seb128 pitti, does it make sense? 17:59:18 pitti sounds good to me 17:59:44 seb128 ok, that's a plan then 17:59:46 pitti cyphermox: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-o-desktop-network-enhancements -> switching to automatic and optional IPv6 sounds like a small change we shoudl get in as fast as possible; is it actually small, or blocked on something? 17:59:47 seb128 we can move on 18:00:06 pitti I need to catch Robert in the morning, but didn't see him yesterday or today 18:00:33 seb128 he's usually around but not talking if you don't ping him ;-) 18:00:51 pitti cyphermox: porting indicator-network to current NM: is i-network required by OEM or other projects, or could we safely defer that? 18:00:52 seb128 but it's possible that login manager hacking and testing make it no easy to stay on IRC as well 18:01:03 pitti seb128: yes, I checked that; he wasn't on IRC, but I got up a little later than usual today 18:01:18 seb128 drop him an email I guess 18:01:32 pitti ok 18:01:38 seb128 during the rally he was often on a vt for lightdm hacking 18:01:41 pitti will do that then 18:01:47 seb128 so it's likely that he's not on IRC a lot nowadays 18:01:55 pitti while I wait for cyphermox's answer, public announcement: 18:02:04 pitti I'll be on holiday in the next two weeks 18:02:16 pitti so if you need me to do something urgent, please speak up this week 18:02:34 pitti does someone feel like doing the team and release meeting in these two weeks? 18:02:49 seb128 can do 18:02:49 pitti seb128: would be great if you could take the release meeting, you have most experience with it 18:02:57 seb128 ;-) 18:03:02 pitti and someone else perhaps the desktop meeting 18:03:04 seb128 I can do both 18:03:08 seb128 desktop meeting is easy 18:03:14 pitti (which is mostly preparing the wiki template and copying the log back to it 18:03:17 pitti seb128: merci 18:03:21 seb128 de rien ;-) 18:03:29 kenvandine pitti, have a great vacation! 18:03:34 seb128 pitti, enjoy you time off and crossing finger that you have nice weather ;-) 18:03:37 pitti thanks! 18:03:39 cyphermox pitti: we can safely defer porting indicator-network (AFAIK) 18:03:50 pitti cyphermox: thanks 18:04:17 cyphermox pitti: as for ipv6; I'm working on it right now. It's basically all already on, but we get delays in connections; that's a little bad; but it's more a bug than anything else 18:04:41 pitti cyphermox: ah, good to hear; thanks for the heads-up 18:04:50 cyphermox so I'll just clean up the work items there to make this clearer 18:04:54 pitti that's it from me; does anyone have further discussion topics? 18:05:04 pitti cyphermox: I sent you a review of usb-modeswitch, btw 18:05:14 pitti looking forward to seeing this land 18:05:39 cyphermox pitti: yes, I saw. Thanks a lot.. just haven't looked at it yet on account of being deep in NM code to figure out the connection delays ;) 18:05:50 pitti cyphermox: yes, no hurry 18:05:59 pitti cyphermox: I'll try to get to the second half of it this week still 18:06:03 cyphermox will look and merge today hopefully 18:06:16 pitti cyphermox: it'll take some time, I mostly just added comments :) 18:06:23 pitti so, no AOB? 18:06:26 seb128 pitti, so feature freeze is in a bit less a month, can we land things on the CD while you are not there? 18:06:38 seb128 we have some pending things I've on my list we need to track 18:06:53 seb128 - sort the clutter depends 18:06:56 pitti seb128: sure; you will be the acting release engineer for the desktop team :) 18:07:02 seb128 - sort the cheese new requirement and the fact that empathy will use it 18:07:11 pitti I don't have a personal lock on the CDs :) 18:07:12 seb128 - get gnome-online-account installed 18:07:15 kenvandine cheese, yummy 18:07:25 pitti just see my note about CD size on the wiki page 18:07:29 seb128 - look at packaging the GNOME 3.2 addressbook 18:07:36 pitti we lost our potential 15 MB savings 18:08:11 seb128 hum :-( 18:08:18 seb128 do we still have a pending "drop python 2.6"? 18:08:28 seb128 well I guess it's smaller since we cleaned the pyc 18:08:40 rodrigo_ how much space are we at? 18:08:54 seb128 we need to win at least 11mb it seems 18:09:19 pitti so as for the meeting, thanks everyone! 18:09:24 pitti right 18:09:27 seb128 that's not counting that we will need to add libcheese, clutter, clutter-gst, gnome-online-account, the addressbook 18:09:32 pitti well, 8 MB, as we should have 703 MB images 18:09:34 seb128 thanks pitti 18:09:54 pitti seb128: I thought we'll drop cheese from ubiquity's depends, and move it to universe? 18:10:06 seb128 pitti, 11mb on i386 still 18:10:15 pitti ah, right 18:10:16 seb128 pitti, empathy will depends on it 18:10:24 seb128 or optionally depends 18:10:29 seb128 we might get away with cheese 18:10:36 seb128 but it will bring clutter and clutter-gst in