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Fixed remaining applications to work with pygobject 2.90 (bug 829186). All fixes in oneiric except for Ubiquity, for which I have a branch. New pygobject will go in right after beta-1. (pitti)
- Built new oneiric -base langpacks, which resolved the remaining CD overflow. Now all Ubuntu desktop/alternate images (including powerpc) are under the limit. (pitti)
Rewrite apport-retrace to work without chroot(), DC retracers now work again, better than ever. (pitti)
PostgreSQL 9.0 -> 9.1 transition (pitti)
- Drop remaining main dependencies of the old sqlite (pitti)
- Fixed unity-greeter to allow derivatives to customize the logo again (mterry)
- LightDM should be more stable (mterry)
- Clutter 1.7 landed, which unblocked mutter/gnome-shell (ricotz)
- LigthDM gained derivative traction with set-defaults() wrapper to choose the correct session and greeter. Casper do the right thing for the live as well (didrocks)
LibreOffice 3.4.1 packaged, 3.4.2 on the way (bjoern-michaelsen). relevant issues:
- no lo-menubar in default install in oneiric, MIR blocked on various serious issues:
- telepathy-indicator FFE to display the avatars in the messaging menu, it is awaiting a code review now. It is a very minor change and a feature regression from Natty.
- Compiz and Unity upload with a lot of backports last week to get a functional beta1.
- Compiz stacking bugs (mumble, alt + tab) under investigation and priority for next release with minor gnome integration
- Next small unity release due to holidays and bank holidays for Thursday (dash and panel fixes mostly)
- Unity-2d release as well. Seems there is a crash at loading for beta1. It's fixed in trunk right now (bug #834001)
OneConf rewriting for the gtk3 with the just landed design… Not sure it can make it as the changes are big (didrocks). Server should be in production right now
- The new "GTK3" user interface is now the default (as of Software Center version 4.1.19)
- Many good bug reports coming in helping us to find the remaining problem areas, things look quite good overall
- The team is working hard in bugfixing mode now and quality is improving quickly
IRC log Western edition
17:30:52 pitti https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-30 17:30:53 rodrigo_ o/ 17:30:55 tremolux heyo 17:31:08 * kenvandine waves 17:31:12 pitti everyone feeling ready for beta? 17:31:16 kenvandine pitti, nothing to report 17:31:29 kenvandine hopefully a couple bug fixes this week 17:31:36 mterry hi 17:31:38 chrisccoulson \o 17:32:47 pitti kenvandine: ok, cool; are there any news wrt. the u1-installer? 17:33:16 pitti kenvandine: should the u1 packages be on the DVD, or do we also just want the installer there? 17:33:37 kenvandine just the installer 17:33:43 kenvandine i updated the seeds already 17:33:46 tkamppeter hi 17:34:03 kenvandine oh... DVD not CD 17:34:08 pitti rigth 17:34:20 kenvandine i assume the same... they motivation seems to be consistency with other platforms 17:34:32 pitti that's an argument I don't quite understand, but *shrug* 17:34:33 kenvandine s/they/their/ 17:34:40 kenvandine yeah... oh well :/ 17:34:47 pitti ubuntu can certainly ship with stuff that windows doesn't 17:34:51 pitti ok, anyway 17:35:00 kenvandine i expressed that concern... 17:35:06 kenvandine anyway 17:35:37 pitti kenvandine: perhaps this should be mentioned in the beta-1 release notes? or do you think it's obvious and self-explanatory enough? 17:36:00 kenvandine i think it is self-explanatory 17:36:13 kenvandine it looks like users see the same icon 17:36:18 kenvandine but clicking it lets them install 17:36:24 kenvandine i should test that from a live image 17:36:29 pitti *nod*, that would be great 17:36:34 kenvandine will do 17:36:37 pitti the current images should be quite stable, too 17:36:49 pitti didrocks: thanks for the Unity wiki update 17:36:55 didrocks you're welcome :) 17:37:09 BigWhale kenvandine! 17:37:14 pitti the release notes already talk about the new switcher, bug fixes, etc.; anything since a3 which is new and should be mentinoed? 17:37:16 didrocks nothing else to add, just tracking the unity-2d issue with QConf crash 17:37:20 kenvandine hey BigWhale, in a meeting now 17:37:37 didrocks pitti: the new lens functionnality, I'll edit it as I did for alpha3 17:37:51 BigWhale kenvandine, ok... let me know when you're free. 17:38:25 pitti didrocks: oh, right; appreciated, thanks 17:38:35 didrocks yw ;) 17:38:37 pitti didrocks: indeed we should mention the music lens 17:38:49 didrocks and the new filters 17:38:53 pitti didrocks: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricOcelot/TechnicalOverview#Ubuntu_Desktop 17:39:01 didrocks pitti: thanks for the link, opening the tab :) 17:39:10 pitti so in general, we are quite hesitant to build new images now 17:39:23 pitti as we need to get them ready by tomorrow 17:39:32 didrocks oh? 17:39:45 pitti for mirroring, etc. 17:39:57 pitti and it's also quite a high cost to re-test everything 17:40:18 pitti so if there is something which entirely breaks the live system or installation and is impractical to fix with a dist-upgrade, please speak up now 17:40:26 pitti and we'll coordinate in #u-release 17:40:37 pitti alternates will get a rebuild in about 5 hours 17:41:20 didrocks seems that the unity-2d one is safe with the respawn, it should just get a pattern as you told 17:41:46 pitti didrocks: right, want me to do that, or are you on it? 17:41:55 pitti didrocks: I can do it if you toss me the bug # 17:42:37 didrocks pitti: not sure how this is doable, I can learn, but you will be more effective than I (bug #834045 and bug #834001) 17:42:38 pitti didrocks, tremolux: how's the oneconf integration coming along, any unexpected hurdles there which put it in jeopardy for b2? 17:42:38 ubot2` Launchpad bug 834045 in unity-2d "unity-2d-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in QConfSchema::findKey()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834045 17:42:39 ubot2` Launchpad bug 834001 in unity-2d "unity-2d-panel crashed with SIGSEGV in QConf::notify()" [Critical,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/834001 17:42:52 pitti didrocks: thanks, will do after meeting 17:43:05 didrocks thanks :) 17:43:31 pitti tremolux: did you see a bug reporting impact since we switched to GTK3 by defualt? how is that holding up? 17:44:03 tremolux pitti: definitely we are getting a bunch of new reports, but it's quite manageable I think 17:45:01 pitti tremolux: ah, good; I was a bit afraid of getting flooded by crashers, etc. 17:45:06 tremolux we should be able to get things into good shape quickly, the team is working really hard on cleaning up the remaining issues 17:45:18 tremolux yep, it seems not so bad 17:45:30 tremolux I think the "technology preview" really helped there as well 17:45:39 tremolux as we got a bunch of reports early thanks to that 17:48:29 pitti didrocks, tremolux: did you see my q about oneconf? 17:48:36 pitti that seems to be a bit desperate? 17:48:52 didrocks I didn't see your question, just now? 17:49:12 tremolux yes, I have not checked with didrocks on it, I hope it is not too bad? 17:49:24 pitti pitti | didrocks, tremolux: how's the oneconf integration coming along, any unexpected hurdles there which put it in jeopardy for b2? 17:49:25 didrocks tremolux: it is bad :/ 17:49:43 tremolux ug, sorry didrocks :( 17:49:45 didrocks tremolux: in addition, the design now mix the installed and the oneconf view 17:49:59 didrocks I'm making intrusive change and don't really like that at the last minute :/ 17:50:13 tremolux didrocks: yeah 17:50:14 pedro_ pitti, didrocks both unity-2d bugs have a pattern now ;-) 17:50:16 didrocks adding treeviews and hpaned for respecting the design 17:50:21 didrocks pedro_: thanks :-) 17:50:23 pitti pedro_: ah, thanks 17:50:34 pedro_ you're welcome! 17:50:50 didrocks and I'm not really confident about the quality, there are part that would have been useful to check with mvo, but he's on vacation 17:51:33 didrocks so, an unoptimized version is possible for end of week, I hope 17:51:43 didrocks it will probably clutter a little bit the "installed" pane though 17:52:10 didrocks (and we will loose the "install all/remove all" buttons) 17:52:52 tremolux didrocks: ok, please be sure to tell me what I can do to help, I'm happy to test etc. 17:53:13 didrocks the server is also blocking on isd to be in production 17:53:34 didrocks so, I'm starting to freak out about the feature to be honest, but don't really want to postpone it once again :/ 17:53:52 didrocks (for once, everything was ready and working) 17:54:06 tremolux yep, I know 17:54:08 didrocks tremolux: yeah, will tell you, thanks :) 17:56:16 pitti ok, AOB for today? 17:56:39 pitti just a general plea, please check http://status.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-oneiric/u/LPUSERNAME.html for your remaining WIs 17:56:53 pitti we have a lot of specs which just have one or two left and need these "last mile" wrapup 17:57:07 kenvandine pitti, one of my 2 left is being reviewed now 17:58:24 didrocks will recheck, but last time I check, I have none "unblocked" remaining for beta1 18:00:06 pitti ok, seems we are done 18:00:08 pitti thanks everyone!
IRC log Eastern edition
bryce__> meeting time? [8:39 AM] <jasoncwarner_> bryce__: TheMuso robert_ancell RAOF [8:39 AM] <jasoncwarner_> yes, meeting time! [8:39 AM] <TheMuso> Yo [8:39 AM] <RAOF> Ya [8:39 AM] <jasoncwarner_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-08-30 [8:39 AM] <bryce__> heya [8:40 AM] <jasoncwarner_> bryce__: (with the double underscore) and RAOF , want to update us on X? [8:40 AM] <bryce__> sure [8:41 AM] <bryce__> got xdiagnose 1.1 uploaded last week; going to do a 1.2 with some failsafe-x fixes [8:41 AM] ↔ Sarvatt_ popped in [8:42 AM] <bryce__> slight uptick in X bugs, but nothing widespread and severe [8:42 AM] ⇐ ari-tczew (~ari@unaffiliated/ari-tczew) quit: Remote host closed the connection [8:42 AM] <bryce__> we're seeing quite a few of the False GPU Lockup bugs [8:43 AM] <bryce__> those will not be an issue once apport is turned off, however it would be nice to figure out why they're happening at all. [8:43 AM] ⇐ bryce_ (~firstname.lastname@example.org) quit: Ping timeout: 252 seconds [8:43 AM] <bryce__> [8:43 AM] <bryce__> couple things we need to do looking forward the next few weeks [8:43 AM] <RAOF> I've noticed we've been getting a number of Natty bugs where people have installed multi-arched nvidia drivers and then mesa updates blow up for them. [8:44 AM] <bryce__> yeah [8:44 AM] <bryce__> we have a bug open about needing to make nvidia multi-arch aware, but I bumped it to P [8:45 AM] <bryce__> I assume it'd not be a simple (low risk) fix? [8:45 AM] <RAOF> The proprietary drivers are already multi-arch aware; we've done that transition. [8:45 AM] ⇐ Sarvatt (~sarvatt@canonical/sarvatt) quit: Quit: Sarvatt [8:46 AM] <RAOF> What we *haven't* done is split the nvidia drivers into amd64 and i386 pieces, but we probably don't want to do that anyway. [8:46 AM] <bryce__> RAOF, hmm, then perhaps the nvidia tasks just need closed? [8:46 AM] <RAOF> bryce__: Quite possibly. Which is the bug you're thinking of? [8:46 AM] <bryce__> let me find it [8:47 AM] <bryce__> 807209 [8:47 AM] → Sarvatt (~Sarvatt@canonical/sarvatt) joined [8:48 AM] <bryce__> RAOF, anyway, maybe take a look and update it with required tasks we need to do, or close it out if there's none? [8:48 AM] <RAOF> Yeah, I'll do that. [8:48 AM] <bryce__> couple other things [8:48 AM] <bryce__> at UDS we talked about sticking 1.11 in a ppa prior to p-series opening [8:48 AM] <RAOF> Yep. [8:48 AM] <bryce__> xserver 1.11 was officially released a few days ago, and looks like it's in debian experimental, so just needs merge work [8:48 AM] <bryce__> "just" :-) [8:49 AM] ← nessita (~email@example.com) left [8:49 AM] <RAOF> I think that Sarvatt has done some looking at that? [8:49 AM] <bryce__> yeah Sarvatt said he'd be looking at it for xorg-edgers [8:49 AM] <RAOF> Yeah. The big "just" is our multitouch XI 2.1 patches. [8:50 AM] <bryce__> yeah, I was thinking we can omit those for now, get it into the ppa so we can start testing, and give chase & co time to update those patches [8:50 AM] <RAOF> Which reminds me: in *awesome* news, it looks pretty likely that the multitouch protocol will land in XI 2.2 in Xserver 1.12! Soon I'll be able to stop worrying about shipping an X protocol that's not upstream in an LTS :) [8:51 AM] * bryce__ holds off counting chickens [8:51 AM] <bryce__> a second thing we'd talked about at UDS was updating the display drivers via x-updates into jockey post-release [8:51 AM] <RAOF> Spoil sport :) [8:51 AM] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: really? when would we know that for sure? good if it happens! :) [8:52 AM] <bryce__> so just curious on the status of that... probably a pitti question though [8:54 AM] <RAOF> Yeah. [8:54 AM] <jasoncwarner_> ok...anything else RAOF or bryce__ ? [8:54 AM] <jasoncwarner_> if not, we can get to TheMuso and a11y? [8:55 AM] <bryce__> RAOF, oh also curious if you ever got a chance to look at that projector detection (0x0 size) detection lib? [8:55 AM] <RAOF> bryce__: Not really. [8:55 AM] <TheMuso> Ok. [8:56 AM] <RAOF> bryce__: I should dedicate some non-preemptible time to kicking that off. [8:56 AM] <TheMuso> Not a lot has happened since last week's meeting, partly because I was on holiday last week, and aprtly because we are in beta freeze. [8:56 AM] <TheMuso> Going to do a proper test of my ubiquity a11y work today with an official image. I actually wanted to on Monday, but the daily image didn't boot into ubiquity for some reason. Hopefully with the few ubiquity uploads since then, things have changed. [8:57 AM] ⇐ aquarius (~firstname.lastname@example.org) quit: Quit: Ex-Chat [8:57 AM] <bryce__> RAOF, yeah, working on X there's so many bugs it can be hard to scratch out time for development work [8:57 AM] <TheMuso> Been fixing a few packaging bugs that made their way into the at-spi stack, so now at least, upgrading from natty works in terms of a11y packages, although it appears a compix package is still holding up a successful upgrade... [8:58 AM] <TheMuso> Sent a crasher upstream that users were getting with at-spi, and t has been fixed in the latest upstrea release of the at-spi stack, which will go in right after beta 1. [8:59 AM] <TheMuso> Not much movement on the unity-2d bugs front, the few bugs that I filed recently, whilst having been confirmed and triaged, haven't seen fixes uploaded yet... Hopefully a new unity-2d release in the coming week will address them... [8:59 AM] <broder> RAOF: FYI, you do look into a projector detection thing, make sure you're looking at a valid EDID. I've seen cases where a poorly seated connection -> EDID of all 0's, and if you jump straight to the physical size offset, you could get confused. Might be worth having a tri-state return value or something [8:59 AM] <TheMuso> I also spent some time with robert_ancell yesterday working out some accessibility details for lightdm. [9:00 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: oh, cool...anything we can expect for oneiric? [9:00 AM] <RAOF> broder: Right. My thinking was that it'd actually return a tuple (OUTPUT_TYPE, CONFIDENCE) [9:00 AM] <broder> RAOF: +1 from me [9:01 AM] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Well it will be possible to have a screen reader running in lightdm for a start, and the user list and entering username/password is now accessible. There are still a few minor bugs that need sorting out, but are likely at-spi stack or orca related, so need to try again once I have updated orca to the latest upstream release. [9:01 AM] <jasoncwarner_> ok [9:01 AM] <jasoncwarner_> thanks [9:01 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: anything else? [9:02 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: Oh one thing I noticed yesterday but forgot to mention, was the fact that you aren not making use of the accessible description given for indicator entries. [9:02 AM] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, what should the description contain? [9:02 AM] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: A few more pulse bugfixes will be going in fater beta, coming from upstream. [9:03 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: The description is set by the indicators themselves to give a textual description of what they are for. So for example, the sound indicator gives a volume in percentage, the messages indicator lets a user know if there are new messages waiting, etc. [9:03 AM] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, oh sorry, for the indicators - do I need to connect those or should it happen automatically? [9:04 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: YOu need to connect those. You want to assign the string IndicatorEntry->accessible_desc to the atk object representing the the GTK widget for the indicator object. [9:05 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: I remember finding the code for it yesterday. I'll cook up a patch if thats of any help. [9:05 AM] <robert_ancell> TheMuso, please do [9:05 AM] <TheMuso> robert_ancell: ok will do that today. [9:06 AM] → mterry (~mike@ubuntu/member/mterry) joined [9:06 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso and robert_ancell should we roll into lightdm/unity_greeter? [9:06 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: what would you like to update? [9:07 AM] <robert_ancell> So TheMuso stole my announcement :) We have a11y support in unity-greeter. It will need a ffe, but I don't expect it to be uncontrovercial [9:07 AM] <robert_ancell> Other than that just working through the remaining bugs to get lightdm+unity-greeter in as good shape as possible for oneiric [9:08 AM] <robert_ancell> I don't expect it to be controvercial [9:08 AM] <robert_ancell> rather [9:08 AM] <jasoncwarner_> :) [9:08 AM] <jasoncwarner_> ok...veyr cool... [9:09 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: everything settled on unity-greeter design? [9:09 AM] <jasoncwarner_> (ie. nothing being pushed too hard to be included at this late date? ) [9:10 AM] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, (just checking email). Not that I know of. There might be some minor things like strings, but they will have to follow freeze exception processes [9:11 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: alright. [9:11 AM] <jasoncwarner_> thanks [9:11 AM] <jasoncwarner_> anything else for anyone ?