Actions from previous meeting
Actions from this meeting
- Got half of GNOME 3.1.92 into Oneiric before beta-2.
- Cleaned NBS to be empty now, and also fixed a bunch of FTBFS.
- Deja Dup will now offer to install needed Ubuntu One packages with ubuntuone-installer (on a fresh install, upgrade support is coming next upstream release)
- New unity version last Thursday, before the beta2 freeze:
As usual, reference is https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/4.14.0
- fixes a bunch of bugs (crashers and visual glitches)
- more filters working in the unity lenses!
- some UIFe for the dash have been accepted as well as the panel
- New compiz worskpace switcher layout accepted and in beta2.
- Stage an ubuntu one music store lens scope in the ubuntu-desktop ppa. / ! \ updating to it can trigger some existing unity crashers (when icons are received way after the results) and the staging server is flacky. Will be pushed in Oneiric next week. Crashers are tracks through bugs
- Late upload this morning for whitelisting in the systray update-notifier for people showing the update icon. (should be SRU as well in natty)
Still quite some bugs tacked for next week https://launchpad.net/unity/+milestone/4.16.0. Trying to collect any UIFe that can happen (maybe new unity-asset-pool icon set).
- An experimental compiz and compiz-plugins-main are in the ubuntu-desktop ppa. Hopefully those will fixes most of the known stacking bugs. Do not hesitate to test and report any new issue! Will probably be pushed next week in Oneiric if no blocker.
- Unity-2d release, before the beta2 freeze as well:
Full list at https://launchpad.net/unity-2d/+milestone/4.8, small bug fixes which is somewhat a good sign
Now that Qt 4.7.4 is in the distro, RTL support can be turned on (small adjustements works) to make at least unity-2d supporting RTL. The FFe is there: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity-2d/+bug/654988
- Release of sni-qt next week to fix some issues for a small part of the population (only english speaking users ;))
A critical Qt bug appeared making machine either logging out or just swapping endlessly, agateau tracked it. The culpurit is the overlay scrollbar. The idea is for now to just disable the overlay scrollbar styling part to avoid the crash (won't work with Qt apps anyway). Reference: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/qt4-x11/+bug/805303
- Software Center versions 4.1.23 through 126.96.36.199 released
- These include ~25 bug fixes, plus many i18n and a11y fixes, lots of UI cleanup and refinement
- Many more bug fixes coming soon
- Team continues to focus on stability, a11y and i18n fixes, and further refinement of the new UI
OneConf fixes this week now that the staging server finally works. Server side will be in production later this week and the oneconf/software-center fixes released shortly. Ping us if you want to try staging server.
IRC log Western edition
17:31:57 pitti FYI, quick release status: the first smoketests of the current b2 candidates are coming in 17:32:07 pitti we found a rather serious ubiquity bug and will need a respin 17:32:15 pitti but as long as you are online, they actually install pretty well 17:32:58 chrisccoulson hi :) 17:33:05 pitti otherwise it's nothing earthshattering on our side 17:33:23 pitti kenvandine: do you need to discuss anything partner-wise? 17:33:46 kenvandine i gave the u1 guys the list of release bugs skaet is tracking for their packages 17:33:54 kenvandine they are going to follow up on them all 17:34:00 tkamppeter hi 17:34:01 kenvandine that is all i have 17:34:10 pitti we also had a quick discussion with U1 team yesterday 17:34:13 seb128 kenvandine, pitti: will we get the whole u1 stack back on the CD after beta2? 17:34:25 pitti looks like we'll put u1-client control-panel, and music store back on the default install 17:34:30 kenvandine good 17:34:36 didrocks makes sense :-) 17:34:38 pitti not the couchy bits, of course 17:34:42 kenvandine that is a much better choice 17:34:45 jbicha cool! 17:34:47 pitti yeah 17:34:53 * kenvandine never thought that was a good idea 17:34:54 pitti we dropped them without need 17:34:58 kenvandine :) 17:34:59 mterry pitti, not ubuntuone-couch? (I don't think it pulls in anything couchy) 17:35:00 pitti it was really quite pointless 17:35:21 pitti mterry: I thought that's just a command line tool? 17:35:33 pitti mterry: but I don't mind 17:35:41 mterry pitti, no, it provides some python bindings that duplicity/deja-dup uses 17:35:42 pitti "whatever we had in natty" 17:35:47 mterry pitti, can't upload to u1 without it 17:35:58 kenvandine does that pull in desktopcouch? 17:35:59 pitti mterry: but then deja-dup should certainly have a dependency or at least a recommends to it? 17:36:10 pitti kenvandine: no 17:36:19 kenvandine good 17:36:38 mterry pitti, it did before, but when we went down the installer route, i dropped it and added support to deja-dup to run the installer (which I made sure installs ubuntuone-couch) 17:36:39 pitti mterry: it moved to universe yesterday, so better add a recommends 17:36:44 mterry pitti, I can go back to before 17:37:02 * mterry wishes people would make up their minds 17:37:40 pitti mterry: please add it back then 17:38:11 mterry k 17:38:26 pitti didrocks: thanks for the unity update on the wiki 17:38:47 didrocks yw 17:38:47 pitti didrocks: anything to discuss? should the team test some newer compiz packages? (sorry, I lost track of them) 17:39:06 didrocks pitti: yeah, the ppa should contained all what is needed (as I claimed on the wiki ;)) 17:39:18 didrocks so go ahead, download, test, and ping me if anything is wrong 17:39:31 * didrocks looks at the stacking breaker, chrisccoulson! 17:39:32 pitti chrisccoulson: ^ 17:39:38 didrocks :) 17:39:45 chrisccoulson i've not tested it yet 17:39:47 pitti chrisccoulson: and while you are at it, please make it fast, will you? 17:39:51 * pitti hugs chrisccoulson 17:39:53 chrisccoulson that means switching back to 3d for a bit ;) 17:39:57 * chrisccoulson hugs pitti 17:40:05 didrocks chrisccoulson: come on, between two awesome fixes! :-) 17:40:12 chrisccoulson :) 17:40:17 * pitti updates in the meantime 17:40:33 chrisccoulson i'll try it in a bit. i want to get the gsd/gnome-desktop changes in to the PPA first 17:40:36 mterry the PPA works great for me 17:40:37 didrocks I'll probably pushed the fixed Qt in the ppa as well waiting for the freeze 17:40:47 pitti tremolux: anything to discuss for s-c? seems to be going well 17:41:09 pitti oh, no new packages/ 17:41:10 pitti ? 17:41:16 tremolux pitti: hey! nothing really to discuss, we are just fixing stuff 17:41:21 pitti argh, seems add-apt-repository messed up retrieving the key or so 17:41:30 pitti tremolux: that's good news, at this point :) 17:41:54 didrocks (if some people wants to test the oneconf staging server for syncing, please ping me, feedback would be welcomed ;)) 17:41:58 tremolux pitti: yes, I feel really good about it, it's getting into nicer shape every day 17:42:35 pitti BTW, if you need to roll back, use "sudo ppa-purge ppa:ubuntu-desktop/ppa" 17:42:38 pitti works really nicely 17:42:45 * kenvandine hugs ppa-purge 17:43:15 pitti ok, nothing else from my side; AOB? 17:43:39 tremolux didrocks: I'll definitely test with the server, I've been using the local test data so far 17:43:45 mterry Anyone have any MIRs that I don't know about? 17:43:55 didrocks tremolux: great, thanks! 17:44:13 tremolux didrocks: oneconf ftw! 17:44:16 mterry hopefully not, pretty late for MIRs 17:45:11 Sweetshark mterry: I just got asked again about lo-menubar bing included in main ;) 17:45:27 pitti veto 17:45:41 Sweetshark pitti: thanks 17:45:58 didrocks tremolux: thanks to believe in it! :) 17:46:09 mterry Sweetshark, I thought we were holding off, for stability reasons? 17:46:18 tremolux didrocks: :) 17:46:37 Sweetshark mterry: right. 17:46:42 mterry phew 17:46:44 mterry :) 17:46:55 pitti oh, the i386 and amd64 retracers have caught up again 17:46:59 pitti they are running again now 17:47:00 seb128 \o/ 17:47:13 pitti sorry for the 2 days downtime, needed to fix a couple of bugs 17:47:29 kenvandine just so everyone is aware, i will be out again tomorrow, but returning again on thursday 17:47:42 pitti so, then without further ado, let's fix this oneiric thingy! 17:47:44 mterry oh, and I'm on vacation next week, FYI 17:47:46 pitti thanks everyone
IRC log Eastern edition
[8:28 AM] <jasoncwarner_> hey robert_ancell TheMuso RAOF and bryceh meeting time. [8:28 AM] <jasoncwarner_> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2011-09-20 [8:29 AM] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, heya [8:29 AM] <jasoncwarner_> hey bryceh , how are things? [8:29 AM] <chrisccoulson> bryceh, it doesn't need to be a cold start does it? [8:29 AM] <RAOF> We interrupt your regularly scheduled bootperformance hackfest to bring you the Desktop meeting :) [8:29 AM] ⇐ grunthus (~email@example.com) quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [8:29 AM] <bryceh> heh [8:29 AM] <chrisccoulson> https://launchpadlibrarian.net/80459240/farnsworth-oneiric-20110920-16.png will make jasoncwarner_ happy ;) [8:30 AM] <bryceh> jasoncwarner_, going good. raof and I had a good time at the X conference last week, lots of good convo's [8:30 AM] <kenvandine> chrisccoulson, nice! [8:30 AM] <TheMuso> Hey folks. [8:30 AM] → barratt_ (~firstname.lastname@example.org) joined [8:30 AM] <chrisccoulson> kenvandine, that's thanks to RAOF, bryceh and Sarvatt ;) [8:30 AM] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: ~15s? i do like that ! [8:30 AM] → ember` (~email@example.com) joined [8:30 AM] <chrisccoulson> jasoncwarner_, yeah, it was >25s yesterday [8:30 AM] <kenvandine> now get that with unity-3d :) [8:31 AM] → fredp_ (~firstname.lastname@example.org) joined [8:31 AM] <jasoncwarner_> chrisccoulson: that is exactly the trend we need ;) [8:31 AM] <bryceh> just getting back into the swing of things today. Fixed (I think) one of the release bugs pitti posted about today, and trying to tackle some X boot speed issues (slow output probing), which seems HW-specific so far [8:31 AM] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: nice... [8:31 AM] <jasoncwarner_> let's get the meeting cranking [8:31 AM] <robert_ancell> chrisccoulson, very impressive [8:31 AM] <jasoncwarner_> [TOPIC] X update [8:32 AM] <bryceh> oh... as above. [8:32 AM] <bryceh> RAOF, anything to add? [8:32 AM] <Sarvatt> chrisccoulson: dont get too happy at that, the code was literally rewritten in the kernel yesterday and still isnt working properly so is some time off and is only fixing up your eDP machine (there are like 10 eDP i915 laptops total in the wild) [8:32 AM] <RAOF> Did some triage of Xserver bugs; it looks like a bunch of them were accidentally fixed by the 1.10.4 upload. [8:32 AM] <chrisccoulson> Sarvatt, that's ok, that works for me ;) [8:32 AM] → vuntz_ (~email@example.com) joined [8:32 AM] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: ok...thanks... [8:33 AM] <RAOF> I'm pretty sure I've got bug #831867 nailed down, and just need to test. [8:33 AM] <Sarvatt> my i915 LVDS machines with SSDs have <10 second boot times here the whole cycle [8:33 AM] <ubot2> Launchpad bug 831867 in sane-backends "colord assert failure: colord: browser.c:701: avahi_service_browser_free: Assertion `*_head == _item' failed." [High,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/831867 [8:33 AM] <bryceh> http://www.bryceharrington.org/Arsenal/Reports/ubuntu-x-swat/totals-oneiric-workqueue.svg looks nasty, but I thinkj that's mainly a slew of False GPU lockup bugs we can ignore [8:33 AM] <jasoncwarner_> RAOF: oh, nice! [8:33 AM] <Sarvatt> (sorry for interrupting the meeting) [8:33 AM] ⇐ mterry (~mike@ubuntu/member/mterry) quit: Ping timeout: 240 seconds [8:33 AM] <jasoncwarner_> colord was causing some weird startup slowness, correct? [8:34 AM] <bryceh> oh, I got a solid lead on the false gpu lockups chatting with Intel. but will probably need to wait until next cycle to experiment with [8:34 AM] ⇐ htorque (~firstname.lastname@example.org) quit: Ping timeout: 276 seconds [8:34 AM] <jasoncwarner_> let's move to LightDM/Unity-Greeter... robert_ancell ? [8:34 AM] <RAOF> No; the gnome-settings-daemon color plugin was doing xrandr probes on startup, and that's expensive. [8:35 AM] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, I'll try and get one more release in before beta2 to fix some minor issues. The important issue seems to be crashing in the greeter due to the indicators being threaded. I've changed them to load sequentially in a thread and it seems more stable now [8:35 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: cool...ok... [8:36 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: the greeter you had me test that seems to help with my laginess, is that released generally yet? [8:36 AM] <robert_ancell> jasoncwarner_, yes, that should be the latest one. The most recent logs seemed to indicate it was round trip time to X that was the problem, and the stuff people have been finding in gnome-settings-daemon seems to confirm that [8:37 AM] <robert_ancell> The very last one I sent you had g-s-d disabled, which indicated that is probably the cause [8:37 AM] ⇐ ember, tremolux, mchro, fredp, vuntz, apw, jml and barratt quit [8:37 AM] <robert_ancell> unfortunately we can't do that in general ;) [8:37 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell: yeah...I was just getting lag again so was wondering what was up...now i know! :) [8:38 AM] <jasoncwarner_> robert_ancell, bryceh and RAOF you guys have clues on what is going on in U-G with X for a possible fix? [8:39 AM] ⇐ chrisccoulson (~chr1s@ubuntu/member/chrisccoulson) quit: Quit: Ex-Chat [8:39 AM] <robert_ancell> the logs showed a big initial delay, which is probably xrandr blocking the X server. [8:39 AM] <RAOF> g-s-d causes boot slowdowns? What a surprise! [8:39 AM] <bryceh> U-G? [8:40 AM] <jasoncwarner_> bryceh: unity-greeter...I've taken to the custom of shortening everything ;) [8:40 AM] <robert_ancell> The ongoing lagginess was shown in the mouse right, which indicates the X server not keeping up [8:40 AM] <bryceh> well, we have been suspecting output-probing related issues, perhaps a regression with vga probing, but so far haven't pinpointed it to that [8:40 AM] → chrisccoulson (~chr1s@ubuntu/member/chrisccoulson) joined [8:40 AM] <robert_ancell> RAOF, you could reproduce it right? [8:41 AM] <jasoncwarner_> Ok...sounds like we have some clues, but nothing too exact yet...thanks. [8:41 AM] <bryceh> chrisccoulson has isolated some X-related delays to be due to g-s-d over-querying randr, thus exacerbating the probing issue [8:41 AM] <RAOF> robert_ancell: Yeah. I sent you the traces. [8:41 AM] → apw (~apw@ubuntu/member/apw) joined [8:41 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: care to update on a11y, sound and all that good stuff? [8:41 AM] <bryceh> i.e., it's slow to probe to begin with, and then GNOME requests re-probing multiple times [8:41 AM] <RAOF> Something was probing xrandr, causing the delays. [8:42 AM] <TheMuso> Ok, we should finally be over all the a11y related upgrade issues, pitti and myself spent some time on Monday afternoon sorting that out, so that should be good now. [8:42 AM] <RAOF> But I'm not sure what, because the xtrace of unity-greeter didn't show RANDR requests. [8:42 AM] <chrisccoulson> bryceh, 6 times on the default install :) [8:42 AM] <chrisccoulson> and that's before anything else in the session begins to load [8:42 AM] <TheMuso> I've had reports from users saying that the stuff I recently added to make using a11y on the live CD is not working, but I suspect they are either not doing something right, or are not using a recent daily, or are using beta 1. Need to run through things myself once again to be sure, hope to do that today/tomorrow, so I can get any fixes in post beta 2 if they are needed. [8:43 AM] <chrisccoulson> i added my findings to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/11.10/BootSpeedAnalysis for anyone who is interested [8:43 AM] <TheMuso> Still need to fix accessibility for notifications, as they are broken. May file a bug against notify-osd to make sure its known by DX, in case someone like Alehandro has time to look at it... [8:43 AM] <TheMuso> But I am going to try and fix it myself if I can. [8:44 AM] <TheMuso> Audio wise, a few more bug fixes post beta 2, but nothing major. [8:44 AM] <TheMuso> So things are starting to wrap up on my end. [8:44 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: how is accessibility in ubuiquity? I believe you said you needed to do some more testing there last week ? [8:44 AM] → tremolux (~email@example.com) joined [8:45 AM] <TheMuso> jasoncwarner_: Yeah its usable, needs more work cleaning up widget names, but thats one goal for 12.04. A user can still get through and work out what is what and get the system installed. [8:46 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: ok...cool...would you say that, using Unity-2d, we have a fully accessible desktop? [8:46 AM] <TheMuso> Not yet, still waiting on more bugfixes from the 2d guys [8:46 AM] <TheMuso> But the only critical thing that is missing is the quicklists and no access to the panel. [8:47 AM] <TheMuso> The dash is mostly usable, and hopefully will be more so after next week's upload. [8:47 AM] → davidcalle (~firstname.lastname@example.org) joined [8:47 AM] <jasoncwarner_> TheMuso: ok...sounds florian is making 'em a priority. let me know if it looks like something si going to fall short so we can get it reprioritized. [8:47 AM] <jasoncwarner_> thanks! [8:47 AM] <jasoncwarner_> ok... [8:47 AM] <TheMuso> ok [8:47 AM] <jasoncwarner_> [TOPIC] Any other Business? [8:48 AM] <jasoncwarner_> anyone want to add anything ? [8:48 AM] <TheMuso> nope [8:49 AM] → bludude (~email@example.com) joined [8:49 AM] <jasoncwarner_> alright...thank everyone [8:49 AM] <RAOF> Nor here. [8:49 AM] <jasoncwarner_> [END MEETING]