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Meeting May 17, 2006
ogra - AMD64 CD still over on space, by 3Mb, Considering dropping kstars from AMD64 ISO, as it would save 4.3Mb on space.
schoolinux and JaneW - expressed concern at dropping kstars and the impact on Edubuntu use, but it was largely felt that seeing as this was only on the AMD64 arch, people could download it after install.
jsgotangco - Suggested kvoctrain, but checked it for size 800k, which wasn't enough
flint - Suggested just having DVD for the AMD64 arch, ogra pointed out that the CD was needed for the DVD iso.
ogra - asked for testers to test the RC release from Monday 22/05/07 all week, and asked if an upgrade from breezy to dapper could also be tested, espcially in the realm of LTSP.
cbx33 - volunteered testing
JaneW - Asked for kids to test the RC, to which cbx33 volunteered the YouthLUG
JaneW, ogra and cbx33 - Decided there should be a Grand Unified Arch
All - sent congratulations to LaserJock, highvoltage and jsgotangco on their acceptance for the Paris Summit.
jsgotangco - to draft the release announcement, JaneW expressed a concern of getting a good balance of technical and exciting text into the announcement.
JaneW - Expressed encouragement for all to advocate Edubuntu 6.06, ogra suggested doing a dance.
JaneW - Announced next meeting at 20:00 UTC 24/05/06
ogra - Artwork finalised
ogra - Homies made it into youth theme
ogra - said that there possibility exists a chance that we'll get a last minute change in usplash artwork
jsgotangco - Firefox page and About Edubuntu both completed but not translated, conclusion by those present that English was acceptable, though ogra said mhzhad made a translation
ogra - expressed that he wished to get the Getting Started Guide and About Edubuntu into the CD
JaneW - enquired as to the state of the Cookbook, it was stated by several people that pygi and HedgeMage were working on it, as far as people were aware all docs were being stored locally.
JaneW - asked everyone to put their cookbook contributions on the wiki for initial proofing and comments.
cbx33 - stated ESA was goign to full freeze on friday and urged everybody involved to finish up. HedgeMage was working on screenshots. It was discussed that the ESA would hopfully be translated into other languages, and major languages printed, possibly in a downsized format.
cbx33 - announced he was working on collecting all the LTSP documents togethre under UbuntuLTSP, ogra mentioned that there should be an alternative to the thinclient howto, cbx33 agreed and suggested putting a advanced link at the bottom.
JaneW - also mentioned the Edubuntu Install video and said she would talk to Chris for permission.
JaneW - PeteSavage to minute meetings from this point forward
All agreed - specify if you want something in particular to be included in the minutes
02:03 JaneW hi all 02:03 ogra flint, heh, for guys like you we made up that new schedule :) 02:04 JaneW hi spacey 02:04 flint ogra, you software wenies are just out to confuse us old fools :^) 02:04 JaneW ok is everyone here? 02:04 JaneW ok meeting notes are an issue 02:05 cbx33 Yes, 02:05 flint JaneW, Good Morning 02:05 cbx33 I was going to bring that up 02:05 ogra JaneW, i heard we'll get some kind of newsletter ? 02:05 cbx33 I'm working on the new wiki fromt page 02:05 JaneW I would love to have someone voluteer to help with posting a meeting synopsis somewhere 02:05 JaneW ogra: possibly... 02:05 JaneW ogra: TBD 02:05 cbx33 and I wanted to include meeting notes 02:05 ogra JaneW, that should just be aq fleshed out version of the meeting notes then i think 02:05 JaneW I find it hard to do all the talking/typing, and summarise in note format too === cbx33 's hand is wavering to volunteer 02:06 JaneW cbx33: done 02:06 cbx33 but thinking about all the doc writing I still have to do 02:06 cbx33 oh what the hell 02:06 cbx33 sign me up 02:06 JaneW cbx33: you are it 02:06 cbx33 thought so 02:06 JaneW cbx33: we love you 02:06 cbx33 :p 02:06 cbx33 seeing as I'm doing the wiki front makes sense I think 02:06 ogra welcome our new official edubuntu secretary :) 02:06 JaneW note to all if something needs to be noted pls try to explicitely mention it to cbx33 so he doesn;t have to wade through everyone 02:06 cbx33 can I just mention we have a YouthLUG member today dave-YL is joining us for the meeting :D 02:06 JaneW something like cbx33 please make a note of that ^^ 02:07 JaneW hi dave-YL 02:07 dave-YL hi 02:07 cbx33 he's on work experience with me in the office so I thought I'd bring him along :D 02:07 JaneW cbx33: does that sound ok? re the explicit note requests? 02:07 cbx33 show him how cool the edubuntu gang are :p 02:07 cbx33 JaneW: that sounds great 02:07 JaneW I found that helped when I was doing minutes (in my youth) 02:07 spacey YouthLUG? 02:07 cbx33 :p 02:07 flint dave-YL, Hi how youthful is youthful? === ogra puts on his ice suit 02:08 JaneW so instead of recording a 2 hours debate, just get the results down 02:08 dave-YL 14 02:08 JaneW ok back to the business at hand 02:08 cbx33 indeed 02:08 JaneW Edubuntu 02:08 JaneW 15 days to RELEASE DAY 02:08 cbx33 Yikes :p 02:08 ogra tech update ... not much, apart from artwork being final (usplash still arguable) 02:08 JaneW before we plan the party, are we ready 02:09 cbx33 the homies have a crib :p 02:09 JaneW ogra: so artwork is in? 02:09 ogra amd64 was down to 1.3M oversizednedd last week, but is up to 3M again 02:09 ogra *ness 02:09 JaneW what's the issue with usplash? 02:09 ogra so i'll need to find something big to drop *again* 02:09 cbx33 ogra: are we goign to have to drop a package? 02:09 ogra sigh 02:09 ogra there is not much left on amd64 02:10 ogra i'm inclined to drop kstras to solve it once and for all 02:10 ogra *kstars 02:10 cbx33 hmm, not good 02:10 JaneW ogra: why is and64 so much larger? 02:10 spacey binaries so much biggier on amd64? 02:10 ogra not mutch, but it sums up 02:10 cbx33 ogra: is ther a possiblilty of just removing some of teh data files for kstars? 02:10 JaneW are the other arches at capacity? 02:10 sladen ogra: did /var/log/* getting cleared? and do a du -sch on /usr/share/doc 02:10 ogra i386 is exactly at 695M (max value) 02:10 JaneW yikes 02:10 ogra amd64 in sum is at 698 02:10 JaneW ogra: is it safe to fill it that much? 02:11 ogra sladen, on the CD ? 02:11 ogra JaneW, yep 02:11 JaneW ok good 02:11 sladen ogra: the LiveCD was not getting its logfiles cleared after creation 02:11 ogra its fine unless we slip over 695 02:11 cbx33 sladen: i hear you down in soton tomorrow, really bummed I can't make it 02:11 JaneW ogra: you said usplash was arguable, what/who is arguing? 02:11 ogra sladen, ah, i dont care about live, we wont ship it 02:11 flint ogra, would it be a safe assumption that anyone running an AMD 64 has access to a DVD? 02:12 cbx33 flint: I'd say not :p 02:12 ogra flint, sure, and the DVD is available, thats not the prob 02:12 flint ok then what? 02:12 ogra the prob is that if we dont have a working iso on release day, we wont have that arch at all 02:12 ogra a CD iso that is 02:13 flint a DVD iso would suffice for AMD 64 IMHO. 02:13 JaneW ogra: how when can you sort it all out? 02:13 ogra flint, we wont have a DVD iso if we dont have a CD 02:13 JaneW ogra: are all changes frozen now? so the size won't vary daily anymore... 02:13 cbx33 i'd say go for the kstars drop 02:13 ogra JaneW, i'm doing it alongside with my last minute ubuntu bugwork 02:13 JaneW ok 02:13 ogra needs to be sorted until flight8 02:13 JaneW how utilized is kstarts? 02:14 flint ogra, it was merely a thought... :^) 02:14 JaneW stars 02:14 ogra some MB 02:14 JaneW let's cut it if that's the best bet 02:14 JaneW but you may get complaints if it is popular and ppl can;t find it 02:14 cbx33 people can alsways install it later 02:14 ogra kstars itself is quite small, but it puls in a huge amount of data 02:14 JaneW but I guess they can d/l it 02:14 cbx33 JaneW: true 02:14 ogra yep 02:14 JaneW ok done 02:14 cbx33 we can possibly put a note on the AMD64 page? 02:14 ogra it wont just be in the default install on an arch we dont send through shipit 02:14 JaneW cbx33 please make a note of that ^^ 02:15 cbx33 :p 02:15 spacey you kick it out of amd64 only or all arches? 02:15 JaneW ogra: did you test the shipit site? 02:15 ogra the only real important arch for us is i386 === Hirion [email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting  02:15 ogra yep 02:15 ogra all others are just nice to have ones 02:15 JaneW ogra: and all working well? 02:15 ogra yep 02:15 JaneW great 02:15 ogra i didnt get any virtual CD yet though :P 02:16 JaneW it takes up to 8 weeks :P 02:16 flint ogra, the i386 imperitive is clear. That is why we should get out of the box (or CD) for the AMD 64... 02:16 ogra but probably "a bunch" inst a proper volume for marilize :) 02:16 JaneW ok what else are you doing ogra, but and testing? 02:16 JaneW but=bugs === pips1 [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:16 ogra bugs 02:16 ogra lots of missed ubuntu bugs still 02:16 JaneW ok, what do you need from us all for the next 2 weeks? 02:16 ogra will have at least one nightshift 02:17 ogra CD testing indeed 02:17 JaneW cbx33 please make a note of that ^^ 02:17 ogra we'll start with the tests for release candidate on monday 02:17 JaneW whoever is able to test please do 02:17 JaneW and feedback results and issues 02:17 ogra especially people who can test ltsp 02:17 JaneW we need this realease to be really great 02:17 flint ogra, will this test iso be called flight 7 essentially? 02:17 JaneW we are hoping to do great things with it 02:17 pips1 (sorry for being late) what should I test? 02:18 JaneW pips1: the CD images 02:18 ogra (and no, i dont mean powerpc clients on amd64 servers or other exotic stuff :) ) 02:18 pips1 which flight? 02:18 cbx33 ogra: you know I'll test 02:18 ogra pips1, from monday on we'll need to test extensively 02:18 JaneW and let some kids try it too if at all possible 02:18 pips1 ok 02:18 cbx33 JaneW: youth lug will be helping 02:18 cbx33 right dave-YL ? 02:18 JaneW ogra: how's the art looking now that it's packaged, has it come together nicely? 02:18 ogra there will be no changes anymore from next week on 02:18 flint ogra, can efts fly? :^) 02:18 JaneW cbx33: awesome, thanks Youth LUG 02:19 JaneW flint: no they scuttle (at best) 02:19 ogra JaneW, its fine ... i'm still not thrilled by chalkboards but it fits into the rest now 02:19 cbx33 were we ever thrilled with chalkboards :p 02:19 ogra we have one open bug about NZ missing on the map 02:19 JaneW ogra: good, let's see how;s it received, maybe we'll get rave reviews :P === cbx33 chuckles 02:19 ogra so we might get a last minute change here 02:19 JaneW ogra: LMAO 02:19 flint JaneW, so the first new release will be called a scuttle? I like it!!! 02:19 ogra silbs is on it 02:19 flint :^) 02:20 JaneW flint: no that was my sugestion though, doubt it will be taken... 02:20 ogra oh, and the homies are in as well 02:20 JaneW YAY 02:20 flint JaneW, got my vote! 02:20 JaneW flint: thanks 02:20 JaneW ok so Edubutu 6.06 ROCKS 02:20 ogra i had to make them a jpeg instead of png to reduce the size 02:20 cbx33 ogra: np 02:20 JaneW I think I may need to back a cake 02:20 cbx33 do as you wish 02:20 JaneW or draw on a chalkboard or something 02:21 cbx33 at least the Homies have a Crib :p 02:21 ogra cbx33, i did as i *could* 02:21 cbx33 hehe === jsgotangco [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:21 JaneW ok docs 02:21 ogra if someone would listen to my whishes, we'd have 800MB default CDs :) 02:21 cbx33 oooh big things happening in docs 02:21 JaneW jsgotangco: and not a moment too soon :) 02:21 pips1 junior = homies, default (= senior?) = chalkboard, plain = ? 02:21 ogra plain = plain color 02:21 pips1 ah 02:21 ogra no wallpaper 02:22 JaneW ok what's the status of the docs 02:22 flint ogra, I see your point. 02:22 JaneW About Edubuntu - done? 02:22 JaneW did it get translated in the end? 02:22 ogra pips1, http://people.ubuntu.com/~ogra/edubuntu/dapper_art/Screenshot_plain_2.png 02:22 jsgotangco sorry im late 02:22 JaneW jsgotangco: np 02:22 jsgotangco (really bad traffic) 02:22 jsgotangco yes 02:22 jsgotangco so is the FF page 02:22 jsgotangco no 02:22 JaneW huh> 02:22 JaneW ? 02:22 JaneW yes no 02:23 jsgotangco yes 02:23 jsgotangco lag 02:23 jsgotangco he 02:23 JaneW oic, done but not traslated? 02:23 ogra i havent gotten any translations for it 02:23 ogra i know mhz made one though === jsgotangco in breezy now can't check 02:23 ogra but thats the only one i'm aware of 02:23 jsgotangco yeah 02:23 JaneW is it a problem that it's not translated? 02:23 cbx33 has it been posted on to docs ml for tans? 02:23 JaneW and it the deadline passed? I think it is... 02:23 ogra JaneW, not imho 02:23 jsgotangco its too late in the cycle 02:24 cbx33 ok 02:24 jsgotangco unless we delay our release :) 02:24 ogra JaneW, we decided to make our deadline for our doc and artwork teams ourselves 02:24 ogra so what i can get in before tomorrow will get in 02:24 JaneW ogra: but just how far can you push it 02:24 JaneW we are WAY past the official ubuntu deadline 02:24 ogra but i'm merely busy with uibuntu stuff so bets are not good 02:24 JaneW ok so your deadline is flight 8? 02:24 ogra yep 02:25 JaneW ok, but we don;t want to rush stuff through, too risky 02:25 JaneW shall we stick to english? 02:25 jsgotangco yes 02:25 cbx33 I'd say yes 02:25 ogra yep 02:25 JaneW I am biased being english 02:25 JaneW will the rest of the world accept that? === jsgotangco doesn't really want to do translation uploads after relesae as patches 02:25 cbx33 hehe 02:25 JaneW ok good done 02:25 ogra i'd like to get the gettingstarted guide in and probably about edubuntu 02:26 ogra but that really depends if i survive tonight 02:26 JaneW cbx33 please make a note of that ^^ 02:26 cbx33 will do 02:26 JaneW ta 02:26 JaneW ok CookBook 02:26 ogra ubuntu is higher prio by mdz's call atm for me 02:26 JaneW I appologise that I have not been in a position to help with it 02:26 JaneW as I expected 02:26 ogra same for me 02:26 cbx33 i've been trying to.... 02:26 JaneW so with that in mind, has anything been done 02:27 ogra a lot 02:27 JaneW and is it in a useable form yet? 02:27 jsgotangco dunno 02:27 JaneW I know ppl have been working 02:27 flint ogra, mdz has you laboring on ubuntu flight 8 eh? 02:27 JaneW which is very encouraging 02:27 JaneW spacey: you have an update? 02:27 spacey partly 02:27 cbx33 partly an update :p 02:27 ogra flint, nope, he complained that i didnt do enough ubuntu bugwork this release (which is totally true) 02:27 JaneW pygi is not here 02:28 JaneW has he been working on it? === schoolinux [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:28 spacey pygi said he was working on it 02:28 cbx33 yes and hedgemage too 02:28 spacey but didn't see it in the wiki 02:28 JaneW yes that's right 02:28 spacey didn't talk to him for the last two weeks 02:28 cbx33 it's all on their locals at the mo, or was last time I heard 02:28 spacey i was really busy 02:28 ogra i think LaserJock did also a good bunch of work there 02:28 spacey i'm a bit behind schedule 02:28 cbx33 I'm trying to help with the last sections when i get a spare second 02:28 JaneW so do we have anything to include (or space to put it in) or shall we leave it as an on-line resource? 02:28 flint ogra, he has Fabio... we need you. 02:28 spacey and would like to get rid of a chapter, or have suggestions what to put in it 02:28 JaneW either way it must be finished 02:29 JaneW it is worth it 02:29 flint :^) 02:29 jsgotangco id really suggest not beating release 02:29 ogra flint, in any case i need to do less work on edeubuntu in edgy 02:29 ogra we need more devs that help out with it 02:29 JaneW can we ask the contributors to put what they have done on the wiki so we can start reviewing it? 02:29 cbx33 ogra: I'm working on that 02:29 jsgotangco flint, that's where i come in *gulp* 02:29 cbx33 JaneW: I would 02:30 JaneW yes dev volunteers always welcome 02:30 ogra cbx33, i know, youre one of my big hopes ;) 02:30 spacey JaneW: that would be good in anycase, that everyone puts their stuff up in the wiki 02:30 ogra JaneW, we'll get there :) 02:30 cbx33 teach me I'm a blank page :p 02:30 cbx33 ^^ I'll not that too :p 02:30 JaneW everyone put your CookBook Contributions ON THE WIKI 02:30 cbx33 JaneW: noted :p 02:30 JaneW :)) 02:30 spacey before the end of this week? before next meeting? 02:30 cbx33 ASAP 02:30 JaneW asap 02:30 cbx33 :p 02:31 jsgotangco JaneW, i'd really suggest not rushing this, it'll still be good even a few weeks after release 02:31 JaneW before end of week please 02:31 ogra yesterday 02:31 JaneW jsgotangco: not rushing it 02:31 ogra jsgotangco++ 02:31 cbx33 jsgotangco: sure but people can start proofing and suggesting 02:31 JaneW jsgotangco: just applying some pressure 02:31 spacey :) 02:31 JaneW jsgotangco: ppl like pain 02:31 JaneW next is the whip 02:31 spacey JaneW: thats a good thing :) 02:31 cbx33 JaneW pain === jsgotangco got tired of pain already 02:31 ogra jsgotangco, JaneW knows what she's talking about ;) 02:31 cbx33 awww.... 02:31 spacey some people only perform under pressure :P 02:32 JaneW also congrats to those selected for the Paris Summit 02:32 jsgotangco your call 02:32 ogra oh yes :) 02:32 JaneW jsgotangco, highvoltage and LaserJock 02:32 spacey who is going? 02:32 spacey ah 02:32 ogra looking forward to meet you all 02:32 JaneW they are representing Edubuntu 02:32 cbx33 congrats guys, - wish I could have gone too :p 02:32 ogra highvoltage is final ? 02:32 JaneW and will be exoected to help to spec and plan the edgy release, so please start thinking along those lines 02:32 ogra cbx33, next time :) 02:32 JaneW ogra: yes 02:33 cbx33 ogra: one can only hope :p 02:33 ogra cbx33, likely at a more exotic place :) === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:33 cbx33 yikes.... === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:33 jsgotangco JaneW, i will do it but i dare you to bring a whip 02:33 cbx33 ok back to docs 02:33 JaneW cbx33: yes keep going and I am sure the next one (which will be bigger) will be a good target for you 02:33 JaneW jsgotangco: oooh a DARE 02:33 ogra jsgotangco, just bring some leaher armory 02:33 cbx33 ESA is going to final freeze on friday 02:33 jsgotangco JaneW, and a nurse costume too 02:33 JaneW *blushe* 02:33 ogra lol 02:33 cbx33 we're in the the SVN now and working hard 02:33 JaneW cbx33: great 02:34 JaneW cbx33: it almost done? 02:34 cbx33 just somethings to tidy up which Corey is helping out with 02:34 JaneW awesome, that's a really great doc 02:34 jsgotangco i uploaded his patch a few hours ago 02:34 cbx33 HedgeMage was working on some screenshots, but I know that there's pressure there for otehr things 02:34 cbx33 so screenshots from others of the app in use would be great 02:34 JaneW cbx33: will it stay on the wiki too? 02:34 cbx33 of course 02:35 cbx33 we're thinking it maky be a little downsized for the pamphlet 02:35 JaneW cbx33: hows the web/wiki stuff coming along for the release too? 02:35 spacey whats ESA? 02:35 cbx33 good 02:35 cbx33 I'm working the new wiki front 02:35 ogra edubuntu school advocacy 02:35 JaneW when the release announcements go out the URL will get a lot of exposure so lots of traffic will hit the site, we need to make ppl want to stay there 02:35 cbx33 https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuWikiMock 02:35 spacey whats that? 02:36 JaneW and we need a release announcement! 02:36 cbx33 ideas suggestions....put em in a mail :p 02:36 ogra and a working css for the homepage 02:36 JaneW ogra: is corparate handling that? I haven't heard 02:36 cbx33 and mail it to someone whocares....oh that's me :p 02:36 ogra its broken since a while+ 02:36 JaneW last time we did it ourselves 02:36 cbx33 yes, highvoltage was working on that 02:36 jsgotangco i will draft the announcement 02:36 JaneW jsgotangco: *HUG* 02:36 ogra JaneW, no idea, i guess we'll have to list the features ourselves at least 02:36 JaneW jsgotangco: I mean *1 whipping* 02:36 ogra since management doesnt know about them 02:37 JaneW ogra: yes please do and take care to make them mdz acceptable 02:37 cbx33 true :p 02:37 ogra JaneW, will do 02:37 JaneW ogra: he complained about the dteail in my last monthly report 02:37 cbx33 mdz compliance :p 02:37 JaneW need a good balance between technical reality and exciting sounding consumer stuff 02:37 ogra JaneW, he also didnt understand why i summarized all flight features in the beta announcement 02:37 JaneW cbx33: that's it 02:38 JaneW ogra: made sense to me 02:38 cbx33 ok, lastly I think from me is the LTSPDocs 02:38 ogra yep, to me too 02:38 JaneW cbx33: yes? 02:38 cbx33 I've started, making a new page on wiki 02:38 cbx33 UbuntuLTSP 02:38 cbx33 which will detail ALL LTSP docs 02:38 JaneW cbx33: documentation? 02:38 JaneW really? ogra that the stuff you were trying to get to one day? 02:38 cbx33 so I'm currently in the process of moving and updating all LTSP related material 02:39 cbx33 to make it ubuntu generic 02:39 flint cbx33, the re-use of LTSP docs is a great idea. 02:39 JaneW cbx33: excellent 02:39 cbx33 indeed 02:39 ogra JaneW, its partially my stuff, but cbx33 is doing great work in collecting *everything* ltsp realted === JaneW hands cbx33 one of her 'Virtual Gold Star's (TM) 02:39 cbx33 if anyone has written an LTSP doc please update to make it ubuntu generic 02:39 cbx33 oooooh 02:39 JaneW haven't used those for a while 02:39 ogra wow === JaneW is super impressed 02:40 ogra cbx33, they are really rare 02:40 ogra kepp it in a frame 02:40 ogra *keep 02:40 cbx33 I'll contact all page maintaners 02:40 cbx33 if I can 02:40 jsgotangco good luck 02:40 cbx33 I'll put that i nthe meeting notes :p 02:40 ogra :) 02:40 cbx33 my aim is to hopefully create an LTSP cookbook of sorts 02:41 ogra an alternative to the thin client howto would be fine ... 02:41 cbx33 :p 02:41 ogra that doc is horrible, but it has useful advanced info 02:41 cbx33 well u know what I mean 02:42 cbx33 indeed, why I was goign to break it down a little 02:42 cbx33 but we can talk abotu that later 02:42 ogra i'd like to have a doc that really only shows the three steps needed to get ltsp running 02:42 cbx33 yes ogra definite 02:42 ogra thin client howto hides the easiness 02:42 cbx33 and then links to some advanced materials 02:42 ogra yep 02:42 cbx33 :D 02:42 JaneW things have come together really nicely this cycle 02:43 ogra things like NAT and hosts.allow/deny are surely overkill 02:43 ogra yep 02:43 cbx33 they can go in advanced advanced section :p 02:43 ogra this cycle was a lot better than the last, but it was also a lot less work for me 02:43 ogra i.e. no main inclusion fighting for every single package 02:44 ogra the only one i had on my list for main inclusion disqualified itself 02:44 cbx33 just as a note, I'd like to do so much more on edubuntu, but time is an issue for me :p 02:44 ogra (gobby) 02:44 JaneW cbx33: btw feel free to eidt the wiki as much as you want and write or trash stuff etc, much of what is there (esp front page) was thrown together by me, so there's lots of room for improvement 02:44 jsgotangco cbx33, who does? 02:44 cbx33 jsgotangco: indeed 02:44 jsgotangco cbx33, before it was only me 02:45 cbx33 JaneW: I'm taking as diplomatic approach as I can to the wiki :p 02:45 JaneW also once 6.06 is out we'd like to encourage ppl to evangelise Edubuntu, talk about it where you can and make it know to all 02:45 ogra yeah 02:45 ogra do the big promotion dance 02:45 JaneW Breezy was kept low key, now we want everyone to know and everyone to use Edubuntu 02:45 ogra flint, ^^^^ 02:45 cbx33 JaneW: ESA !!!! 02:45 JaneW flint you and jelkner can go wild now === ogra imagines flint dancing 02:46 JaneW and use the ESA!!! 02:46 ogra yeah 02:46 cbx33 would be excellent if we can get this printed off 02:46 JaneW get it printed locally etc 02:46 cbx33 and sent to some of our more advoacative people 02:46 cbx33 JaneW: think funding could be available for that? 02:46 JaneW we may get a small and selective marketing budget in this cycle 02:46 JaneW to use wisely 02:46 cbx33 now that would be ace 02:47 ogra yeah 02:47 JaneW we are never going to have a big budget though so we need to be wise 02:47 cbx33 indeed 02:47 JaneW ok next? 02:47 ogra i'd also like to have another edubuntu summit in edgya or edgy+1 02:47 ogra -a 02:47 jsgotangco JaneW, ok we'll resort to painting graffitti then 02:47 ogra if we have a bigger community === cbx33 starts work on this edubuntu graffiti stencils for maximum efficiency 02:48 JaneW jsgotangco: yes! 02:48 cbx33 w00t just like the homies did :p 02:48 flint ogra, flint dancing == hindenburg landing at lakehurst nj... 02:48 JaneW jsgotangco: pictures of the homies 02:48 ogra flint, lol 02:48 JaneW ogra: yes I think another summit would make sense 02:48 ogra JaneW, we should have stickers for schoool toilets :) 02:48 JaneW I think to plan edgy +1 02:49 ogra yep 02:49 JaneW ogra: for school bags 02:49 ogra as well, yes :) 02:49 flint JaneW, we could produce a special brand of cigarretts - say with filters - edubuntu brand hmmm... 02:50 jsgotangco +1 02:50 ogra mmmm 02:50 flint :^) 02:50 ogra :) 02:50 flint ogra, down ma man... 02:50 schoolinux :) 02:50 cbx33 :)- 02:50 ogra flint, got contacts to phil morris ? 02:50 jsgotangco ogra, i'd really like to advocate dopewars for main inclusion to edubuntu 02:50 JaneW flint: lol 02:50 jsgotangco :) 02:50 flint ogra, what do you need got the art? 02:50 ogra jsgotangco, beware of the DEA 02:50 jsgotangco heh 02:50 flint ogra, they need back into this market bad... 02:51 ogra flint, the art of smoking ? 02:51 ogra sure 02:51 flint ogra, i am a bad man... === cbx33 imagines it now...."it's ok miss, I'm puffing on some edubuntu goodness" 02:51 flint :^) 02:51 JaneW oh I nearly forgot 02:51 JaneW the edubuntu install video 02:51 flint JaneW, thanks. 02:51 JaneW I want to ask Chris if we can use it 02:51 ogra yeah, we need to put it on the wiki or website === [peruvien] [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 02:52 cbx33 I could link to it on the wiki homepage 02:52 JaneW yes in .ogg and .wmp format === [peruvien] [firstname.lastname@example.org] has left #ubuntu-meeting  02:52 JaneW I just need him to save the formats and let us use them 02:52 JaneW I'll contact him 02:53 ogra oh, one thing 02:53 flint JaneW, seriously, you bring up a good point. a flash install product would be nice, but flash is not open. 02:53 ogra if someone could also test upgrades breezy->dapper including ltsp, that would be very helpful next week 02:53 cbx33 ogra: I'll try my best buddy :p 02:53 jsgotangco how is amd64? 02:53 JaneW yes and test test tes 02:53 ogra flint, we support ogg out of the box in edubuntu 02:54 JaneW flint: yup, it;s a problem 02:54 ogra jsgotangco, 3M oversized again :( 02:54 jsgotangco doh 02:54 ogra i'm working on it 02:54 JaneW flint: he has a flash version, but says the original is a .wav 02:54 ogra looking for something to drop === jsgotangco couldn't grab 02:54 JaneW jsgotangco: kstars is being dropped 02:54 jsgotangco pfftt who needs it 02:54 ogra likely 02:55 ogra i still need to determine the exact numbers 02:55 flint ogra, indeed Ollie, but there is no product that uses the ogg format in a completed film maker package. 02:55 jsgotangco totem 02:55 ogra flint, there is ... edubuntu :) 02:55 cbx33 should I put a note to that effect in ESA? 02:55 flint ogra, I heard that there may be something called "wink" that does it... 02:55 jsgotangco kino 02:55 ogra cbx33, just link to the RestrictedFormats page 02:55 flint jsgotangco, kino will? 02:55 JaneW ok we have 5 or so minutes 02:55 JaneW anything else? 02:56 ogra flint, wink is proprietary windows software iirc 02:56 JaneW or is it 'free play' time? 02:56 cbx33 i meant about kstars being dropped, my connection is becomming slow...lots of lag 02:56 ogra cbx33, not yet === cbx33 holds up his gold star and kisses it 02:56 flint i recently looked at the window$ program Camtasia, anything like it in open? 02:56 ogra lest me see if it helps us first 02:56 JaneW next week at 20:00 (under duress) 02:56 cbx33 yup 02:56 flint JaneW, the reason I asked was to develop docs... 02:56 ogra i suspect the data is in the kdeedu-data package, if thats the case we wont win with it 02:56 jsgotangco ogra, i was thinking kvoctrain 02:56 ogra i'll notify you 02:57 ogra jsgotangco, how big is the binary ? === jsgotangco checks 02:57 flint jsgotangco, i will look at kino... thanks. 02:57 JaneW flint: huh? 02:57 jsgotangco Size: 843724 02:57 jsgotangco pfftt 02:57 ogra 800k 02:57 jsgotangco sorry 02:57 ogra thats not enough 02:57 jsgotangco yeah 02:57 flint JaneW, go look at the camtasia web page. you will get it then. 02:58 JaneW flint: ok 02:58 ogra kstars is 4.3M 02:58 cbx33 that's nothing 02:58 ogra that should help 02:58 jsgotangco ogra, kstars is ok 02:58 flint JaneW, there is a revolution brewing in educational software, and it is spelled FLASH.... sadly :^) 02:58 cbx33 man my lag is slowa the mo.... === cbx33 decides not to talk fro a hwile...I'll reconnect once meeting is over 02:59 JaneW flint: once we can use flash I will dance a jig 02:59 ogra flint, in norway they do their exams and tests in flash forms 02:59 ogra would be a major gain if we could ship it 02:59 flint JaneW, I can tell you how to use flash, but it will tick off Oliver, so I will not. 02:59 schoolinux excuse me, but dropping kstars will put away some astro guys 02:59 JaneW Cape Town may be under water soon, it has rained and rained for 18 hours 02:59 cbx33 heheh flint :p 03:00 jsgotangco schoolinux, only for amd64 03:00 ogra flint, there is nothing wrong about flash ... just that its not shippable 03:00 JaneW and our swimming pool was very low, and is now overflowing 03:00 ogra schoolinux, only on amd64 03:00 flint JaneW, Masachusetts is in the same rain mode... 03:00 jsgotangco schoolinux, unless you can suggest somthing bigger to drip that is not used 03:00 cbx33 we need a start up app...to display links to install all these extras 03:00 schoolinux there are astonomers there, too! 03:00 jsgotangco cbx33, edgy 03:00 flint ogra, I understand the issue. Read Ventor Vinge and be very afraid... 03:00 JaneW flint: I have flash, and it's great, until all my FF windows just vanish suddenly 03:00 cbx33 heheh 03:00 ogra schoolinux, we'll ship only i386 CDs anyway and that will pervent the amd64 arch from being dropped completely 03:01 jsgotangco schoolinux, its only 4.3MB we couldn't build amd64 03:01 flint JaneW, you have flash on your ubuntu box? 03:01 JaneW yes 03:01 schoolinux ogra, got it 03:01 ogra schoolinux, i'd love to keep it, but we only have 695M :) 03:01 flint JaneW, do not tell Oliver how you got it... and I will not use the "A" word. 03:02 ogra and amd64 binarys are bigger than i386 03:02 JaneW flint: he knows how, he just can;t package it, or include anything that relies on it 03:02 flint ogra, is that because they are 64 bits long? 03:02 schoolinux ogra, i understand that 03:02 ogra flint, sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree ? === jsgotangco raises the 64bit flag 03:02 ogra flint, yep, partially === JaneW votes for one unified architecture 03:02 flint ogra, interesting... 03:02 ogra also the kernel packages are bigger 03:03 cbx33 JaneW: i second that 03:03 flint why cannot you declare your CD to be 100 mb bigger? 03:03 ogra JaneW++ 03:03 JaneW cbx33: make a note of that ;) :P 03:03 sladen just proclaim that amd64 requires 700MB CDs 03:03 ogra flint, because that wont help, people need to have the media :) 03:03 sladen (which are the common case for alot of people anyway) 03:03 ogra sladen, we use 700MB CDs by default for all arches 03:03 JaneW ok our time is up 03:03 cbx33 :) 03:03 JaneW thanks everyone