This is the 1st meeting of the ServerTeam, starting at 15:00 UTC and finishing at 16:16 UTC.
Introductions - RickClark
Article in Ubuntu Weekly News about the Server Team (in Community Spotlight) - MathiasGug
- review each section of the roadmap.
- agree on next meeting date and time.
- Introductions: 17 people introduced themselves.
- Article in Ubuntu Weekly News about the Server Team:
- mathiaz raised the idea of adding a small section about the Ubuntu Server team in the next UWN.
ACTION: mathiaz will send to beuno a modified version of the Ubuntu Server Team announcement to get it published in the UWN.
- Sending meeting notes to the ubuntu-server mailing list and update wiki pages to point to meeting logs:
ACTION: mathiaz will update the wiki page and send meeting notes to ubuntu-server.
- Triagger section review:
- soren stated that we need a good plan to triage older bugs. mathiaz suggested to tackle this problem on a per-package basis, first mysql, then samba. This doesn't mean that we should stop triagging/fixing other bugs in other packages - it's just a way to suggest what new contributors can do to help.
ACTION: The Ubuntu Server Triagers will focus on triaging mysql bugs that are in New, Undecided state, especially the old ones.
- Packager section review:
- fernando will add watch files to packages. mathiaz clarified the idea behind this task: being able to track upstream release (not debian release) from one location. mathiaz offered to help fernando.
- Tester section review:
All test plans should go under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Server. The iso testing tracker may be used later for tracking tests. That involves writing test plans for the components and features that need to be tested. These wiki pages should be put under https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Server and will be linked from the iso testing tracker.
ACTION: mathiaz will move the AppArmor testing plan to Testing/Server.
ACTION: dendrobates will create a test plan for ldap-auth-client.
- Developer section review:
- Ebox integration:
- soren has uploaded some packages in universe. He is looking for more testers once a few more packages are uploaded.
ACTION: soren will send an email to ubuntu-server once the packages have been uploaded to ask for more widespread testing.
- mathiaz reported that apparmor packages should get into main after the archive is reopened. The packages will be split between core infrastructure packages in main and profiles in universe. He asked for more testing.
- LDAP Authentication Client:
dendrobates has uploaded the meta-package and worked on clarifying the spec https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LDAPAuthentication. jdstrand mentioned his work on auth-client-config script, which should cooperate with the packages created by dendrobates. dendrobates mentioned the spec created by stephanbuys about an application to manage /etc/pam.d/.
ACTION: dendrobates will create a wiki page to list the tasks that people can help with.
- Ebox integration:
- Any Other Business:
- package maintained by the Ubuntu Server Team:
- ScottK asked about the process for deciding which packages the server-team is going to care about. The current policy is to limit ourselves to packages in main. Once the team has grown and is organized, it can be responsible for more packages, both in main and universe.
- ubuntu-server team membership:
sommer asked if the team was open to everyone. It is, and the process to apply for membership is outlined in the https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved page.
- package maintained by the Ubuntu Server Team:
- Next meeting will be in two weeks on Tuesday, July the 31st at 15:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
05:01 dendrobates Ok lets get started. === keescook [n=kees@ubuntu/member/keescook] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:01 soren Hi, kees. 05:01 mathiaz ScottK: we can discuss that after the meeting 05:01 ScottK Sure 05:01 dendrobates Welcome to the first public server team meeting 05:01 keescook hiya folks. :) 05:01 soren \o/ 05:01 mathiaz keescook: hiya 05:02 nealmcb agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting 05:02 dendrobates Lets start with introductions, since we are so new. 05:02 dendrobates nealmcb: Thanks 05:03 dendrobates I am Rick Clark the Technical lead of the Ubuntu server team. 05:03 dendrobates For gutsy I am focused on ldap authentication. === stephanbuys [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:04 dendrobates now everybody else. 05:04 soren I'm Soren Hansen (the hacker formerly known as shawarma), I've been around the Ubuntu community for a couple of years now and I'm on the server team working for Canonical. 05:04 soren My primary focus for this release is eBox. 05:04 dendrobates Also state your area of interest in Ubuntu server. 05:04 soren I want to make it cool. 05:04 miles haha 05:04 soren :p 05:04 mathiaz I'm Mathias Gug and I'm an Ubuntu Server developer 05:04 nealmcb I'm Neal McBurnett, running simple ubuntu servers for a number of years, active with the Colorado loco team and looking for ways to get involved in improving especially authentication/authorization support for ubuntu server. how can we help people test this? need some environments to test against 05:05 keescook I'm Kees Cook, currently focused on Ubuntu security, and somewhat lurking in the server team until I have more spare cycles to contribute more significantly. I did the initial packaging of AppArmor, and work on the kernel integration bits. 05:05 mathiaz For gutsy, I'll focus on AppArmor integration. 05:05 Mithrandir I'm Tollef Fog Heen, technical lead for Ubuntu mobile, not really here, but watching a bit. My main interest in ubuntu server is as a sysadmin for a bunch of servers I help maintain. 05:06 miles my name is miles, im just a young kid but i do sysadmin and java development at my job...i am currently running an ubuntu-server and want to be involved in the community === Knightlust [n=dax@ubuntu/member/knightlust] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:06 jdstrand I am Jamie Strandboge, ubuntu advocate with an interest in ubuntu server and open source server technologies in general 05:07 stephanbuys Stephan Buys here, architect for Impi Linux, interested in bringing Ubuntu into government and business in South Africa. Focusing on what perceive to be the missing pieces to make Ubuntu "enterprise ready" 05:07 nealmcb I'm also wondering if ubuntu or launchpad or canonical has any "enterprise" ldap/kerberos/whatever infrastructure (for doing builds, etc?) that we could put up test apps on and lure testers with, or any other way for folks who don't run servers to do client testing 05:07 ScottK I'm Scott Kitterman. I'm a MOTU and primarily interested in Postfix and the packages associated with it. I'm also a member of ubuntu-backporters (the ones that ack backports requests to the archive admins). My current focus is on getting the clamav 0.9x series into Dapper (it has a depressing number of rdepends). I don't have any Gutsy server goals at the moment. On the server end, I'm focused on getting stuff I did in Feisty into Debian. 05:08 dendrobates Anyone else? we will wait a couple minutes for more introductions. 05:08 sommer I'm Adam Sommer. I'm a Linux Sysadmin looking to become a Ubuntu-dev/MOTU and currently helping ScottkK with clamav. === miles wonders what MOTU means? 05:09 Meyvn I'm Arjen Logghe, somewhat of an Ubuntu newbie and recently started to delve into programming (C++/C#) and I'm here to eavesdrop into this conversation. 05:09 fernando I'm Fernando Ribeiro, i'm justing a sysadmin, a ubuntu enthusiast. I'm focused on ldap integration and replication. 05:09 lionel I'm Lionel Porcheron. I'm a MOTU and work everyday as a sysadmin. Ubuntu server is my primary server platform. I just want to make it rocks 05:09 Knightlust I'm Dax Solomon Umaming, Xubuntu Advocate and System Administrator for a school. 05:09 Mithrandir miles: master of the universe, the group responsible for maintaining the packages in Universe. 05:09 soren miles: A MOTU is a "Master of the Universe". It's the team of developers that manage the universe component of Ubuntu. 05:09 miles thanks 05:10 aquo Hi, I'm Steffen Bauch, and just watching for connections of Ubuntu Server and NetworkManager. 05:10 dendrobates Welcome everyone. 05:11 dendrobates mathiaz: You had the first agenda item. 05:11 mathiaz yes - I read the last UWN and there is section about the Scribus team 05:12 mathiaz in the community spotlight. So it may be a good idea to do the same thing for the Server Team. 05:12 dendrobates Since building our community is very important right now, I think it is a good idea. 05:13 mathiaz well - we could wait a little bit 05:13 mathiaz we could focus on absorbing the first round of applicant 05:13 beuno if you need/want to get the server team highlighted in UWN, just drop me a line with what you want it to say :D 05:13 mathiaz uwn has a wider audiance 05:13 mathiaz beuno: what's the audience of uwn ? 05:14 beuno mathiaz: the Ubuntu Community in general 05:14 mathiaz because for now we're looking to get more developper 05:14 beuno and it goes a bit beyond, as it get reproduced in several Linux sites 05:14 ScottK It also gets mentioned in Linux Weekly News. 05:14 beuno mathiaz: UWN won't hurt, and posting in the planet won't either :D 05:15 dendrobates Nick Ali from UWN also mentioned that they could summarize our meeting in UWN if we liked as well. 05:15 mathiaz Do we plan to send notes from the meeting ? 05:15 mathiaz to ubuntu-server ? like MOTU does 05:16 dendrobates I think that is an open question. 05:16 mathiaz ok - to come back to UWN 05:16 mathiaz should we send a strip down version of the Server Team annoucment ? 05:16 soren I think we should send the minutes to the mailing list. If for no other reason, then to remind ourselves what we talked about and decided. 05:17 soren mathiaz: Agreed. 05:17 beuno mathiaz: you will get the best response if you can state clearly and specifically what you need, and how people can contact you 05:17 dendrobates mathiaz: yes. 05:17 mathiaz beuno: how many lines ? 05:17 beuno mathiaz: 2 paragraphs seem fine, it really depends on the team 05:18 mathiaz beuno: ok. 05:18 beuno just not too many "filler" text 05:18 beuno as straight to the point as possible 05:18 mathiaz I'll work on that 05:18 beuno and just sent it over to me: email@example.com 05:18 mathiaz beuno: ok. 05:19 beuno and contact me in the future for anything else you want features in UWN :D === juliux [n=juliux@ubuntu/member/juliux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:20 dendrobates What do we think about meeting summaries? 05:20 dendrobates I would be a little sparse at this point. 05:21 dendrobates but as the team picks up, it might be nice. 05:21 mathiaz I think it would be a good idea for people that are not able to attend the meeting 05:21 soren If we make any decisions during this meeting, I think said decisions should be echoed on the ml. 05:22 mathiaz ok. I'll send the notes to the ml. 05:22 ScottK Definitely at least decisions need to get to the ML. 05:22 soren mathiaz: Cool. 05:22 dendrobates We could also put transcripts on the wiki 05:23 mathiaz it'S a bit too much I think. We should just link to where the channel is logged. 05:23 soren dendrobates: The channel is logged, so that seems a bit redundant. 05:23 aquo just publish pointers to the log 05:23 dendrobates soren: then we could link to where it is logged. 05:24 mathiaz sounds good to me - I'll update the wiki pages. 05:24 soren dendrobates: Sure. 05:24 dendrobates ok lets move on to the roadmap. 05:24 mathiaz https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Roadmap === txwikinger [n=txwiking@sblug/member/txwikinger] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:25 dendrobates Lets start with bug triage. 05:26 dendrobates Anyone have anything to new report to the team? 05:26 nealmcb mathiaz: Thanks for all the roadmap updates! It really gives me ideas about what is active and what is history (like so many of the server-related specs....) 05:27 mathiaz nealmcb: you're welcome. We'll try to keep the specs later. 05:27 soren dendrobates: We need a firm plan on how to get to the bottom of the bug lists. 05:27 mathiaz for now we're just trying to focus on specific tasks, so that we can get something done for gutsy. 05:27 soren dendrobates: All the new stuff that comes in is no problem, I think. The problem is the existing backlog. 05:28 mathiaz soren: correct. That's why I suggest we try to tackle bugs per package basis. 05:28 soren mathiaz: Dividing them among us? That could work. 05:28 dendrobates mathiaz: so you are suggesting we start with mysql, right? === ScottK already keeps Postfix bugs triaged. 05:28 mathiaz yes 05:28 mathiaz we have to start somewhere. 05:28 dendrobates agreed. 05:28 stephanbuys is the aim to fix bugs for gutsy? 05:28 mathiaz and lets try to get all the bugs in triagged state 05:29 soren mathiaz: "yes" what? Yes, we divide them among us, or yes, we take one package at a time? 05:29 mathiaz soren: one package at a time 05:29 mathiaz stephanbuys: try to get them to triagged 05:29 soren mathiaz: Sounds sane. 05:29 nealmcb for how long? 05:29 mathiaz stephanbuys: which means we had a look at it and then we can start fixing them 05:30 mathiaz nealmcb: as long as it takes 05:30 mathiaz nealmcb: it doesn't mean that we're not fixing it. 05:30 dendrobates What do you think about scheduling a bug day for each package. 05:30 mathiaz anyone can work on fixing bug, that are triagged or not. === ScottK thinks bug days should be about fixing, not just triaging. 05:30 stephanbuys mathiaz, so its fair to say there is no slant towards gutsy when it comes to bugs (dapper LTS gets equal treatment?) 05:30 mathiaz dendrobates: I'd rather have a suggested line === ScottK really appreciated soren's help during that server bug day. 05:30 mathiaz dendrobates: I mean a suggested list packages 05:31 mathiaz the roadmap is to give pointer for new contributors. 05:31 dendrobates mathiaz: like the last bug day? 05:31 mathiaz dendrobates: yes. instead it's not a day but more a 2 week plan. 05:31 soren stephanbuys: Gutsy is the current development focus. Dapper only gets high priority bug fixes and security fixes. 05:32 mathiaz So let's try to get all mysql bugs reviewed and triagged by the next 2 weeks 05:32 ScottK There is dapper-backports for new features, but not for bug fixing. 05:32 dendrobates soren: we should try your idea, but if we don't get community involvement, be prepared to rethink it. 05:32 nealmcb there are a lot of packages, one at a time might mean missing important ones, and not everyone can help with each packages. anyone have a sequence of packages in mind? 05:33 soren dendrobates: Which idea was that? 05:33 dendrobates I mean mathiaz; 05:33 mathiaz nealmcb: after mysql, I thought about doing samba. 05:33 soren dendrobates: Ah, I see. 05:33 mathiaz dendrobates: ok - no problem. we'll see how it works. === highvoltage [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:34 nealmcb is there a summary anywhere of which server packages have the most outstanding and/or untriaged bugs? 05:34 dendrobates mathiaz: we need to explain what to do more on the roadmap, maybe boint to some documentation. 05:35 mathiaz dendrobates: yes - I'll update the wiki pages Roadmap and Knowledge. 05:35 mathiaz dendrobates: It's still a work in progress. 05:35 dendrobates But you've done a great job on them. 05:35 aquo which are the most annoying untriaged bugs for mysql? 05:35 mathiaz nealmcb: https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/ 05:36 mathiaz aquo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/mysql-dfsg-5.0 05:36 mathiaz aquo: lists the bugs related to mysql - we target the one in New - Undecided states. 05:36 dendrobates can we move to packaging? 05:36 mathiaz aquo: the goal is to move to a triagged/confirmed state 05:37 aquo mathiaz: yes, i know, but are there bug with special importance? 05:37 soren aquo: If we knew, they would have been triaged already. 05:37 aquo k 05:38 soren aquo: The point of traiging is to look at the bug, determine if it's bogus or not, and to assign an importance to it. 05:39 aquo soren: i know, my question is if the fact that they are untriaged a hint for there unimportance is 05:40 mathiaz aquo: no 05:40 aquo if they would be important, somebody would have triaged them already? 05:40 soren aquo: That doesn't make sense. If you knew if it was important or not, you would by definition have triaged it. 05:40 mathiaz aquo: new, undecided means nobody has looked at the bug 05:40 aquo k, just go on 05:40 soren triaging means figuring out how important it is. 05:40 aquo i know 05:40 dendrobates Ok on to packaging 05:41 Meyvn unfortunately i have to leave, good luck all 05:41 dendrobates Meyvn: thanks for stopping by. 05:41 soren Meyvn: thanks for your time. 05:42 dendrobates it looks like FernandoRibeiroSilva has assigned himself to add watch files to the packages. 05:42 mathiaz fernando: thanks for taking this. 05:42 dendrobates Thank you for that. 05:43 dendrobates fernando: do you need any help? have you had a chance to start? 05:43 fernando I'm glat could help you. 05:43 fernando no help this first time 05:43 lionel that means we are going to diverge from Debian for this package? With for example newer upstream release (as we do for GNOME for example) 05:43 mathiaz lionel: which package ? 05:43 lionel I meant packages 05:44 lionel for those we add watch files 05:44 mathiaz lionel: watch files are just a way to track upstream version. 05:44 keescook I think the goal would be to send the watch files upstream too. 05:44 soren lionel: I hope we can cooperate with Debian to get newer stuff into Debian and then let it trickle into Ubuntu, but we're not going to block on Debian if there's shiny new stuff we want. 05:44 mathiaz lionel: debian can track it - but we're also interested in tracking them 05:44 mathiaz keescook: definetly. 05:44 mathiaz I'm sure that Debian would be interested into that also. 05:45 lionel Ok, ok, it was to get things clear :) Thanks :) 05:45 fernando i can to send the watch updates to debian too 05:45 mathiaz keescook: would this help from a security perspective ? 05:45 keescook mathiaz: I might, but it would still require people examine release notes for things that are not already listed in CVe 05:45 mathiaz fernando: I've added this point to the roadmap. so if you need help to get started, you can contact me. 05:46 mathiaz keescook: ok. 05:46 fernando mathiaz, great 05:46 dendrobates Ok on to testing. 05:46 jdstrand is the goal of adding the watch file to watch debian, upstream, or both? 05:46 mathiaz the idea behind this, is to be able to track upstream relases centrally - without being subscribed to thousand of mailing lists === jsgotangco [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:47 mathiaz jdstrand: upstream only. 05:47 jdstrand mathiaz, ah-- makes more sense now === cjwatson [firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 05:47 mathiaz jdstrand: we get debian updates via merges 05:47 mathiaz jdstrand: when the merge window is opened. 05:48 jdstrand mathiaz, right-- so this is to help ubuntu in general, and feed what we know back to debian so they can do with it what they want 05:48 dendrobates I have not added openldap to the apparmor test plan yet. Plan to do it this week. We will than need testers. 05:48 mathiaz yop 05:48 nealmcb on the testing front, I've posted an idea about an enterprise testbed. there are so many configurations to test against 05:48 mathiaz AppArmor should be in main soon 05:48 mathiaz so we need to test it more. 05:48 nealmcb e.g. in the authentication area - ldap/kerberos/ad etc 05:49 dendrobates nealmcb: you are right, we are going to need community support to test those configurations. 05:50 nealmcb if there are any folks out there with guest accounts to test against that would be great 05:50 nealmcb ideally there would be places stable and public enough that we could put them in documentation. "log in via kerberos as guest/guest" etc.... 05:50 sommer is there a place where configurations that need testing are posted? 05:51 dendrobates currently only apparmor has a test plan. 05:51 aquo nealmcb: hacker-hotspot 05:51 dendrobates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AppArmorGutsy#testplan 05:51 mathiaz https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Server 05:51 mathiaz ^^ this where we should put our testing plans 05:52 mathiaz as discussed with heno. 05:52 nealmcb are there shared build machines available to ubuntu developers? if so how do people log in? 05:52 sommer cool...I'm very willing to help in testing. 05:52 soren nealmcb: We don't. We just upload to them via ftp. 05:53 dendrobates mathiaz: will you be moving the apparmor plan to the new page? 05:53 mathiaz dendrobates: yes. 05:53 nealmcb aquo: yes indeed - and a good way to discover DOS bugs - might need to reinstall periodically like the folks that put up multiple CMS installations for worldwide login and experimentation and comparison 05:53 dendrobates I wil work on a ldap-auth-client paln as well. 05:53 soren nealmcb: Anonymous ftp, that is. The uploads are signed. 05:53 mathiaz dendrobates: we may start using the isotracker. 05:54 mathiaz dendrobates: henrik wants to turn the isotracker tester in a more general testing platform. 05:54 aquo nealmcb: could be also a place to attack other machines from. 05:54 mathiaz dendrobates: on our side, it means we have to write test plans 05:54 mathiaz dendrobates: and we aggreed to put our test plan in the wiki. 05:54 nealmcb aquo: only if you give them too many permissions. even a "hello guest - you have authenticated" would be handy for some setups 05:55 mathiaz dendrobates: so that they can be linked from isotracker later. 05:55 dendrobates mathiaz: I remember. 05:55 aquo nealmcb: so you don't need real users, but just sophisticated test-scripts. 05:55 nealmcb aquo: but I know it can be a hassle - may need to be limited to trusted folks - just trying to figure out how to test against real-world situations 05:55 aquo qemu + some scripts ... 05:56 aquo this is possible even with multiple instances of qemu, client + server. 05:56 dendrobates can we skip right to devlopment, I have a hard stop coming up. 05:56 soren dendrobates: Me too. 05:56 mathiaz dendrobates: np. 05:57 dendrobates Soren: you first. 05:57 mathiaz there is so much in the documentor section for now. 05:57 dendrobates :) 05:57 soren dendrobates: Huh? 05:57 stephanbuys dendrobates, my 2cents and it follows on what came before, there is a need for more virtualization on the roadmap. any plans for Xen? 05:57 nealmcb aquo: for testing authn, that's right. for testing authorization, providing some sort of access to protected resources by relying parties would be necessary, and there can also be user interface testing 05:58 zul stephanbuys: we already have xen-3.1 05:58 soren ah. 05:58 soren Yes, as I mentioned, I'm working on this eBox platform. 05:58 stephanbuys zul, my bad 05:58 soren http://www.ebox-platform.com 05:58 soren Well, working on integrating it into Ubuntu. 05:59 soren I'd like it if a few people would be kind enough to volunteer a machine they don't particularly care for for testing it. 05:59 nealmcb soren: amazon's ec2 can be good for that, or xen 05:59 dendrobates I'll continue testing. 05:59 soren It's a systems management framework and - surprisingly - it manages your system, which means it may or may not mangle your configuration files. In some cases, that's what you want, in some cases not. 06:00 mathiaz soren: do you have any specific things to test ? === mvo [email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 06:00 soren In the cases where it's not what you want, I want to be absolutely sure it handles things elegantly. 06:00 soren mathiaz: I'm sort of waiting on pitti to ack a few more packages before it starts getting interesting. 06:00 aquo Is ebox free software? 06:00 soren aquo: Of course. 06:01 soren So far, there's only ebox, libebox, and ebox-objects. 06:01 mathiaz soren: ok. Then we can add a new point in the Testing section. 06:01 soren So far, they really don't do anything, but if people want to instal them and see if they work at all or break miserably, that would be great. 06:01 soren Wait a few hours, though. :) There's one more thing I want to tweak. 06:02 aquo soren: which dependencies has ebox? 06:02 dendrobates soren: done? 06:03 mathiaz soren: what about sending an email to ubuntu-serve when you're ready for more widespread testing ? 06:03 soren dendrobates: Yes. 06:03 soren mathiaz: I will. 06:04 dendrobates Ok, Mathiaz, you want to go next? 06:04 mathiaz dendrobates: ok. For AppArmor, it's almost in main 06:04 mathiaz the plan is to split the profiles into universe 06:04 mathiaz and get the infrastructure bits in main as soon as possible. 06:05 mathiaz so I hope I'll get Apparmor into main after tribe-3 06:05 mathiaz as the archive is frozen for now. 06:05 aquo tribe3 is friday? thursday? 06:05 mathiaz but everything is there and I need more testing. 06:05 mathiaz aquo: thursday 06:05 soren aquo: thursday 06:05 aquo k 06:05 mathiaz there is a testplan. 06:06 soren aquo: As a general rule, tribe releases are on Thursdays. 06:06 mathiaz and I'm looking for testing with named 06:06 mathiaz mysql and samba. 06:06 aquo soren: to not hazzle the mirror admins on friday? 06:06 mathiaz so if you can provide some help, it's time to join the effort. 06:07 soren aquo: So we have an extra day to take care of *very* urgent stuff before the weekend. 06:07 aquo k 06:07 mathiaz dendrobates: that's all. 06:07 dendrobates for ldap-auth-client: I sent an email to the ubuntu-directory mailing list and have received an incredible response. I have heard from both redhad and Impi Linux (thanks Stephan), about collaboration. The meta package is uploaded, but for some reason not yet available. I will be creating a wiki with specific tasks that folks can help with. 06:08 dendrobates I am still tuning the spec, to try to lessen the confusion I seemed to be creating about my purpose. 06:09 dendrobates The work has started on libpam-ldap and libnns-ldap as well. 06:10 jdstrand dendrobates: I just subscribed to ubuntu-directory (not aware of it), so will look through it. As discussed #ubuntu-server, I have started the auth-client-config script for debconf to call to update nsswitch.conf and pam 06:10 jdstrand dendrobates: should have something for you to play with soon 06:10 dendrobates stephanbuys created a new spec for an app that would configuring /etc/pam.d/* 06:11 jdstrand dendrobates: where is that spec? 06:11 dendrobates that might be rolled into my spec if it looks like it can be finished in time. 06:11 dendrobates https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LDAPAuthentication 06:11 ScottK soren: (sorry for the lag - this relates to ebox) - I think you would be intersted in this thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2007-July/001802.html 06:12 dendrobates that is all from 06:12 dendrobates me 06:12 dendrobates is there any other business? 06:12 ScottK Question... 06:13 dendrobates ok 06:13 ScottK Is there a process for deciding which packages the server-team is going to care about? 06:13 ScottK Is it limited to Main? 06:13 ScottK OK, that was two... 06:13 soren ScottK: "it"? 06:13 mathiaz ScottK: for now yes. 06:13 soren ScottK: Ah. 06:13 ScottK it == packages server-team cares about. 06:13 mathiaz ScottK: limited to main. 06:13 ScottK OK 06:14 soren Any particular reason? 06:14 ScottK Trying to understand the scope of the team. 06:14 mathiaz for now we're bug contact for a couple of packages. 06:14 soren The server team could easily handle relevant universe packages as well. 06:14 ScottK There is a lot of stuff (e.g. spamassassin, clamsmtp, clamav) in Universe that's very commonly used on mail servers. 06:14 mathiaz once we've get some controlled on the bugs for the packages, we can think about adding other ones. 06:15 dendrobates I imagine that as the team grows, our ability to handle more packages will as well. 06:15 dendrobates Right now, we have all we can handle. 06:15 ScottK OK 06:15 mathiaz dendrobates: I aggree with you. 06:15 sommer is the server-team open to all or do you need to be a dev? 06:15 dendrobates open to all. 06:15 nealmcb so is the list at https://bugs.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-server/+packagebugs complete? 06:15 mathiaz sommer: to all. 06:16 mathiaz nealmcb: yes. 06:16 sommer cool...I'll sign up. 06:16 dendrobates I need to scoot. 06:16 nealmcb I'm glad to see all the recent activity and organization here - thanks folks 06:16 dendrobates Thank you for coming everyone. 06:16 mathiaz sommer: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved#becomemember 06:17 mathiaz the next meeting will be in two weeks. 06:17 dendrobates We hope to see all of you at our next meeting in two weeks. 06:17 mathiaz same time same place 06:17 dendrobates same channel 06:17 dendrobates bye.