20081028

Agenda

Items we will be discussing:

  • Review ACTION points from previous meeting.
  • Review progress made on the specification listed on the Roadmap.

  • Open Discussion.
  • Ubuntu "easy server" for the home user, xivulon (wubi developer) will join us to talk about a few of his ideas (item added by DustinKirkland)

  • Updating the Server FAQ

  • Agree on next meeting date and time.

Minutes

iscsi in intrepid

mathiaz reported that iscsi in intrepid does not support connecting to more than one target at the same time. The issue is a mismatch between the kernel and the user space version. kirkland prepared a fix by using the latest version from upstream. The release team decided to not include it in the release and to get it fixed via a Stable Release Update. A section covering this issue will also be added to the Release Notes.

Server FAQ

nijaba noticed that the Server FAQ was outdated. He asked for help to start updating the page. sommer offered his help and will start by listing the questions that the FAQ should answer.

ACTION: sommer and nijaba to review the list of questions to be included in the Server FAQ.

Ubuntu "easy server" for the home user

xivulon presented his thoughts on creating a dumbed down web interface for home users. He created a wiki page to present his ideas. nealmcb pointed to an idea in brainstorm covering a similar topic. mathiaz mentioned the Server Flavor spec written by ScottK. More discussion will probably take place during UDS.

Agree on next meeting date and time

Due to the time change it was decided to move the meeting one hour back to 16:00 UTC.

Next meeting will be on Tuesday, November 4th at 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.

Log

[15:03] <MootBot> Meeting started at 10:02. The chair is mathiaz.
[15:03] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:03] <mathiaz> Today's agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[15:03] <mathiaz> last week's minutes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20081021
[15:04] <mathiaz> I don't see any outstanding actions from last weeks meeting.
[15:04] <nealmcb> o/
[15:04] <mathiaz> someone wants to add something wrt to the topics from last week meeting?
[15:05] <mathiaz> seems like not. let's move on
[15:05] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Final blockers.
[15:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Final blockers.
[15:05] <mathiaz> So we're testing the -server iso candidates for Final.
[15:06] <mathiaz> Anyone came accross a bug that should be noted in the release notes?
[15:06] <nijaba> mathiaz: not sure what's the status on iscsi
[15:06] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] iscsi in intrepid
[15:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  iscsi in intrepid
[15:07] <mathiaz> so we've decided to not update iscsi for release
[15:07] <mathiaz> intrepid will ship with an iscsi that doesn't support more than one iscsi target
[15:08] <mathiaz> everything is tracked in bug 289470
[15:08] <ubottu> Launchpad bug 289470 in open-iscsi "open-iscsi user-space does not match kernel module version" [Critical,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/289470
[15:09] <mathiaz> there will be a note added to the release notes
[15:10] <mathiaz> nijaba: do you have other questions?
[15:10] <nijaba> mathiaz: nope, that's pretty clear
[15:10] <mathiaz> so the plan is to fix iscsi in an SRU
[15:11] <mathiaz> anything else to mention with regards to potential blockers for release?
[15:12] <mathiaz> seems like not.
[15:12] <mathiaz> so release!
[15:12] <sommer> yay
[15:13] <mathiaz> well - let's do some testing first :D
[15:13] <mathiaz> kirkland: around?
[15:14] <mathiaz> hm. well
[15:14] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Server FAQ
[15:14] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server FAQ
[15:14] <mathiaz> nijaba: ^^?
[15:15] <nijaba> yes, I have noticed that the server FAQ on help.u.c is quite outdated
[15:15] <mathiaz> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/ServerFaq
[15:15] <nijaba> I was wondering if someone would enjoy helping me updtaing it
[15:16] <sommer> sure
[15:17] <mathiaz> nijaba: do you think about updating the list of questions?
[15:17] <nijaba> sommer: I think we should start listing what are the appropriate questions
[15:17] <mathiaz> nijaba: or just updating the answer
[15:17] <nijaba> and then work on the answers
[15:17] <sommer> nijaba: ya, some of those are pretty old
[15:17] <nijaba> anyone is welcome to add questions
[15:17] <kirkland> mathiaz: sorry, my connectivity is been intermittent this morning
[15:18] <nealmcb> do you see two faqs, a new one for hardy?
[15:18] <nijaba> nealmcb: nope, only one for server
[15:18] <nealmcb> and cover both dapper and hardy?
[15:19] <nijaba> yep
[15:19] <nealmcb> yeah it makes sense to have it all on one page
[15:20] <mathiaz> it seems that most questions are fairly generic and not tied to a specific release
[15:20] <nijaba> so action for next week: prepare questions
[15:20] <mathiaz> who would like to do that?
[15:20] <mathiaz> nijaba: sommer ?
[15:21] <sommer> sure, I can put a list together
[15:21] <nijaba> anyone is welcome, but sommer and I seem to have commited to it.  I think we can just go ahead and add at the bottom of the cirrent page
[15:22] <mathiaz> [ACTION] sommer and nijaba to review the list of questions to be included in the Server FAQ
[15:22] <MootBot> ACTION received:  sommer and nijaba to review the list of questions to be included in the Server FAQ
[15:22] <mathiaz> nijaba: anything else?
[15:22] <nijaba> not on this subject
[15:23] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu "easy server" for the home user
[15:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu "easy server" for the home user
[15:23] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^?
[15:23] <mathiaz> xivulon: ^^?
[15:23] <kirkland> mathiaz: this is from a user who pinged me privately
[15:24] <kirkland> xivulon: are you around?
[15:24] <kirkland> mathiaz: evidently not ....
[15:24] <mathiaz> ok.
[15:24] <kirkland> mathiaz: sorry.
[15:25] <mathiaz> kirkland: do you want to postpone it to next week?
[15:25] <kirkland> mathiaz: he claimed to have some ideas as to making the server easier to use for the home user
[15:25] <nijaba> might be a DST issue ?
[15:25] <kirkland> mathiaz: yes, let's postpone one week
[15:25] <mathiaz> ok
[15:26] <persia> I spoke with him about that for a bit at the last UDS : he has a bunch of ideas on the topic.
[15:26] <mathiaz> persia: will he attend UDS?
[15:26] <nealmcb> some of the history of this topic is at http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/68/
[15:26]  * persia tries to find the jaunty registration page
[15:27] <nealmcb> Idea  #68: GUI configuration front end for common services
[15:27] <persia> mathiaz, He's registered at https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-jaunty so I suspect so.
[15:27]  * nealmcb wonders if ubottu should help with brainstorms like with bugs
[15:28] <mathiaz> persia: great.
[15:28] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[15:28] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[15:28] <mathiaz> anything to add?
[15:29] <nijaba> is there an Ibex tshirt?
[15:29] <mathiaz> nijaba: don't know
[15:30] <mathiaz> nijaba: you plan to make one?
[15:30] <nijaba> mathiaz: you should go ask Kat, this is so IMPORTANT ;)
[15:31]  * kirkland notes that the 'Frozen Bubble' joke at the last server meeting made the news
[15:31]  * zul keeps quiet
[15:31] <kirkland> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter/Issue114#Server Team Meeting October 21st, 2008
[15:32] <kirkland> well that didn't paste well
[15:32] <Koon> kirkland: Frozen Bubble is *not* a joke, that's serious
[15:32] <persia> You all do know that Frozen Bubble is blamed for delaying Sarge, and Sarge delays were oft discussed in the post "There will be an Ubuntu" discussions, right?
[15:33] <kirkland> persia: yes, kees has told the story
[15:33] <persia> Do take care with the level of your addictions : it's free to start, and makes you feel good, but ...
[15:34] <nealmcb> persia: thanks for finally shedding some light on this :)
[15:34] <nijaba> persia: smoker do know about addictions ;)
[15:36] <xivulon> hi guys just back
[15:36] <mathiaz> Is there any action to take wrt to Frozen Bubble?
[15:36] <xivulon> still in time? was in another meeting
[15:37] <mathiaz> xivulon: sure
[15:38] <xivulon> the other day I was discussing with kirkland and superm1 whether there was any interest in a ubuntu-home-server
[15:39] <xivulon> basically a dumbed down web interface for home users, possibly on the back of ubuntu-easy-business-server
[15:40] <xivulon> I had drafted a very basic spec some time ago' on the subject (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZeroConfServer)
[15:41] <xivulon> but then was taken by wubi development and have dropped the idea
[15:41] <nealmcb> xivulon: have you seen  http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/68/   Idea  #68: GUI configuration front end for common services
[15:42] <xivulon> not yet
[15:43] <nealmcb> there has been strong interest expressed in this sort of thing for a long time, and ebox and Augeas are helping us close in on it, but still it is taking a long time....
[15:43] <mathiaz> xivulon: there is also a spec written by ScottK - https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-flavors
[15:43] <xivulon> yes something like that, my idea was to do it as simple as possible
[15:43] <xivulon> for instance home users do not need groups
[15:44] <xivulon> all permissions should be set directly for users
[15:44] <xivulon> and there are other services of interest to home users that are not necessarily relevant for businesses
[15:44] <mathiaz> xivulon: like nealmcb said, the topics has already been discussed in former UDS.
[15:44] <mathiaz> xivulon: as it seems you're coming the next one, we'll probably have some time to sit down and discuss this topic a bit
[15:45] <nealmcb> xivulon: thanks for the zeroconfserver spec - I'll look at it and agree that a very simple interface for the home would also be great
[15:45] <nealmcb> of course sometimes UI simplicity is hard to achieve :)
[15:45] <mathiaz> xivulon: writting a spec is a good step
[15:46] <xivulon> basic concept is to provide a simple interface for common tasks, advanced users can also tweak /etc settings
[15:46] <mathiaz> xivulon: I'd focus on the user cases and specify who is the target user
[15:46] <xivulon> the interface should not "break down" if more advanced configrations are used
[15:46] <Koon> xivulon: that's the tricky part.
[15:47] <mathiaz> xivulon: agreed. These concerns have already been raised and no perfect solution haven't been found yet.
[15:47] <xivulon> I will revamp the spec a bit, was a couple of years ago' and just a quick draft
[15:47] <xivulon> we will then take it from there
[15:47] <mathiaz> xivulon: sounds like a good plan to me.
[15:47] <nealmcb> I'd think that home users would far rather move on to something like ebox than editing in /etc....
[15:48] <nealmcb> but do look at augeas....
[15:48] <mathiaz> allright - anything else on this subject?
[15:48] <mathiaz> xivulon: ?
[15:48] <raphink> nealmcb: is augeas already used in ebox?
[15:49] <nealmcb> xivulon: thanks again - I'm glad to have more folks thinking about this!
[15:49] <nealmcb> raphink: not yet as far as I know, but there have been discussions
[15:49] <raphink> nealmcb: ok thanks
[15:49] <nealmcb> are ebox folks coming to uds?
[15:50] <mathiaz> nealmcb: I don't know
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[15:50] <mathiaz> allright - anything else to add?
[15:51] <mathiaz> We're testing the final isos - help is welcome - #ubuntu-testing is the place to hang out.
[15:52] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[15:52] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[15:52] <mathiaz> next week, same place, same time?
[15:52] <nijaba> 16UTC to adapt to DST?
[15:52] <nijaba> DST will be effective in the US at that time IIUC
[15:53] <sommer> yay for DST
[15:53] <mathiaz> nijaba: seems like a good idea
[15:54] <mathiaz> so next week, 16:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting?
[15:54] <nijaba> +1
[15:54] <Koon> +1
[15:55] <Koon> +0 rather, I don't really mind either way
[15:55] <sommer> +1 for me
[15:55] <mathiaz> well - let's switch to 16:00 UTC so that the meeting doesn't move.
[15:55] <mathiaz> dendrobates: hi :)
[15:55] <dendrobates> stupid time change.
[15:55] <mathiaz> dendrobates: you wanted to add something?
[15:56] <dendrobates> nope
[15:56] <mathiaz> ok great
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[15:56] <mathiaz> see you all next week, same place at 16:00UTC
[15:56] <persia> Note that the meeting does change for some people if you change the time.  For some people it even moves from the not unreasonable 1am to the very awkward 3am.
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[15:57] <persia> (because of recent corresponding opposite DST correction)
[15:57] <mathiaz> persia: hm... are you refering to the australians?
[15:57] <persia> For 3am, yes.
[15:57] <persia> For me, you're just moving it from 0:00 to 1:00, but I mostly just watch, without that much to add.
[15:58] <mathiaz> persia: hm - right. However I haven't seen many australians active in the server team meeting for the last 3/4 months now
[15:58] <persia> Well, it was 1:00 even then :)
[15:58] <persia> Anyway, I'm just providing information, rather than saying it's a bad time.
[15:59] <mathiaz> ok.
[15:59] <mathiaz> so let's go back to iso testing
[15:59] <nealmcb> will dst really change next week?  I thought it was delayed
[15:59] <kirkland> o/
[16:00] <mathiaz> nealmcb: according to timeanddate.com yes
[16:00] <nealmcb> hmm - I guess not - ok
[16:00] <mathiaz> ok - happy iso testing!
[16:00] <mathiaz> see ya all next week!
[16:00] <mathiaz> #endmeeting
[16:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 11:00.

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