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[16:00] <mathiaz> Today's agenda:https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting
[16:01] <mathiaz> Last week agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/Server/20090324
[16:01] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] KVM backport in hardy
[16:01] <MootBot> New Topic:  KVM backport in hardy
[16:02] <mathiaz> kirkland: ^^ how is this going?
[16:04] <mathiaz> allright - kirkland doesn't seem to be around - let's postpone this topic
[16:04] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Server Guide
[16:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Server Guide
[16:04] <mathiaz> sommer: how is this coming along?
[16:04] <sommer> mathiaz: should be good to go for jaunty
[16:05] <mathiaz> sommer: did you get any feedback on the new and updated sections?
[16:05] <sommer> received some great feed back from translators and some upstream projects
[16:05] <sommer> mathiaz: yep, the eucalyptus team were great with feedback :)
[16:07] <mathiaz> sommer: awesome.
[16:07] <sommer> mathiaz: not sure there's much more news, some of the new sections were reviewed, but some weren't... but they can always be updated in the next release
[16:07] <mathiaz> anything else to report on the documentation front?
[16:08] <sommer> mathiaz: don't think so
[16:08] <mathiaz> ok.
[16:08] <mathiaz> sommer: thanks for keeping on a eye on the Server Guide !
[16:08] <sommer> mathiaz: welcome :-)
[16:08] <mathiaz> That's all I had from last week minutes.
[16:09] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] NUMA support for 64bit -server kernel
[16:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  NUMA support for 64bit -server kernel
[16:09] <mathiaz> cooloney: ^^?
[16:09] <cooloney> yeah, mathiaz
[16:09] <cooloney> i am bryan from kernel team
[16:09] <cooloney> we got a request from mdz for such numa things
[16:09] <mathiaz> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/331308
[16:09] <ubottu> Ubuntu bug 331308 in linux "NUMA support not enabled in amd64/config.server " [Medium,In progress]
[16:09] <cooloney> how do you guys think
[16:09] <cooloney> right
[16:10] <ivoks> any known sideffects?
[16:11] <cooloney> for kernel, it will change the abi
[16:11] <zul> i dont have a problem with it
[16:11] <cooloney> and enable some options for NUMA config
[16:11] <ivoks> cooloney: just for amd64 or i386 too?
[16:11] <mathiaz> According to the bug report: Even if it has some overhead on non-NUMA machines,
[16:11] <cooloney> is that ok for jaunty?
[16:12] <cooloney> ivoks, i think only for amd64
[16:12] <cooloney> not i386
[16:12] <mathiaz> Has this been measured?
[16:12] <mathiaz> cooloney: I'm not sure if we can still enable this in jaunty
[16:12] <cooloney> mathiaz, oh, no, i have no idea about the overhead
[16:13] <mathiaz> cooloney: It seems that it's a new feature in the kernel
[16:13] <cooloney> mathiaz, i understand, so we plan to discuss this things in our kernel sprint meeting this week
[16:13] <cooloney> mathiaz, right, so it should be for karmic
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: ok - I don't have an issue with enable NUMA per se.
[16:14] <cooloney> ok, guys, i guess you guys are agree to enable it for karmic
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: It's just that it seems a bit late in the release cycle to enable such a new thing.
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: for karmic, yes.
[16:14] <cooloney> thanks, i will talk to our kernel members about this and try to enable it.
[16:14] <mathiaz> cooloney: now it's up to you discuss it for jaunty.
[16:15] <mathiaz> cooloney: IMO it's too late.
[16:15] <cooloney> mathiaz, yeah, i agreee
[16:15] <ivoks> i found a PDF with some overhead charts
[16:15] <ivoks> but it's from 2001 :/
[16:16] <cooloney> ivoks, do you have the URL of the PDF?
[16:16] <ivoks> cooloney: http://jp.fujitsu.com/group/labs/downloads/techinfo/technote/linux/optimizing-numa.pdf
[16:16] <ivoks> cooloney: but i woulnd't take it into account
[16:16] <ivoks> it's really old
[16:16] <cooloney> mathiaz, so i agree we are not going to enable NUMA for Jaunty but for karmic
[16:17] <cooloney> ivoks, thx, got it
[16:17] <mathiaz> great.
[16:17] <mathiaz> cooloney: thanks for bringing up this topic.
[16:17] <mathiaz> cooloney: anything else to add?
[16:17] <cooloney> mathiaz, one more thing
[16:18] <cooloney> how do you guys think to enable PAE for i386 flavour
[16:18] <cooloney> maybe it is not very interesting for server folks, -:))
[16:18] <zul> suse already does that but it still might be late for jaunty
[16:18] <ivoks> weren't there some ideas in mountain view about merging server and generic?
[16:19] <cooloney> we plan to introduce i386-pae flavour for karmic
[16:19] <ivoks> (iirc, most of the server related stuff can be done with sysctl)
[16:19] <mathiaz> right - IIRC PAE for i386 was discussed during last UDS with the kernel team
[16:20] <cooloney> mathiaz, ok, no problem.
[16:20] <cooloney> please go on the meeting.
[16:20] <mathiaz> great. Thanks
[16:20] <cooloney> we can discuss that in our team sprint,
[16:20] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:20] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Ubuntu on EC2
[16:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Ubuntu on EC2
[16:20] <mathiaz> zul: ^^
[16:21] <zul> hi
[16:21] <mathiaz> zul: how is the state of the intrepid images?
[16:21] <zul> they are going well no major problems being reported
[16:21] <zul> ec2-api-tools were renelty packaved for jaunty and are available now
[16:21] <mathiaz> is there another beta planned?
[16:21] <zul> there is
[16:22] <zul> im not sure when though, it should be announced soon
[16:22] <zul> by that time we should have some hardy images available for public use
[16:22] <zul> jaunty is still being worked on
[16:22] <mathiaz> zul: great. So the next set of images will be beta images for hardy?
[16:23] <zul> hardy and intrepid
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[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: great. And later on there will be images based on jaunty too.
[16:23] <mathiaz> zul: ?
[16:23] <zul> thats the plan there is more of a demand from our users for hardy before jaunty
[16:24] <mathiaz> zul: agreed.
[16:24] <mathiaz> zul: what will be the kernel base for hardy?
[16:24] <zul> 2.6.24
[16:24] <zul> 2.6.28 for jaunty
[16:25] <zul> i think thats it from me
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: great.
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: where all the new beta images will be announced?
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: on the ec2-beta mailing list/
[16:25] <mathiaz> zul: ?
[16:25] <zul> correct
[16:26] <mathiaz> zul: great. Thanks for giving an update.
[16:26] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Bugs from beta
[16:26] <MootBot> New Topic:  Bugs from beta
[16:27] <mathiaz> so as you may have noticed we've released a beta version of Jaunty last Thursday
[16:27] <mathiaz> and we've seen an increase in the number of bugs filed
[16:27] <mathiaz> so any help in triagging them is welcomed
[16:28] <mathiaz> so that we can have a good view on what's going wrong in Jaunty
[16:28] <mathiaz> and help make a rock-solid release by the end of April.
[16:30] <jdbrowne> How can we help triage the bugs ?
[16:31] <ivoks> reproducing them would be a good step
[16:31] <mathiaz> http://ubuntuservernewbugs.notlong.com/
[16:31] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://ubuntuservernewbugs.notlong.com/
[16:32] <mathiaz> ^^ here is a link to the list of NEW bugs related to the ubuntu-server team
[16:33] <jdbrowne> if I reproduce them, I put a new comment or can I change the status to 'confirmed' ?
[16:34] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: if you can reproduce them, you can move them to the confirmed state
[16:34] <jdbrowne> ok, feel free to bump to the right doc
[16:34] <jdbrowne> to bump me
[16:34] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#Bug%20Triager%20resources
[16:35] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/GettingInvolved#Triage%20bugs%20and%20become%20a%20Triager
[16:36] <mathiaz> Any help in triagging the influx of bug for beta is welcome!
[16:36] <mathiaz> let's move on.
[16:36] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Open Discussion
[16:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion
[16:36] <mathiaz> Anyone wants to add anything?
[16:36] <Extend> me
[16:36] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's on your mind?
[16:37] <mathiaz> Extend: sure
[16:37] <Extend> it's not about the meeting's topic
[16:37] <ivoks> mathiaz: check out bacula and rhcs
[16:37] <Extend> i want to talk control of my loco team cause they are lazy
[16:37] <ivoks> see if there are bugs and triage them
[16:37] <Extend> and i've done great things in my country
[16:38] <mathiaz> Extend: this is not the right moment to ask about that - and not the right people
[16:38] <ivoks> Extend: wrong meeting
[16:38] <Extend> i know
[16:38] <Extend> it is a wrong meeting
[16:38] <Extend> no upcoming scheduled meeting for this topic
[16:38] <ivoks> who is in favour of droping rhcs for next ubuntu releases and going with linuxHA instead?
[16:38] <Extend> but i want someone to tell me what to do
[16:39] <zul> ivoks: mememememememememe!!!
[16:39]  * zul raises his hand
[16:39]  * zul raises his hand
[16:39] <zul> heh
[16:39] <ivoks> zul: me too :)
[16:39] <nealmcb> Extend: join #ubuntu-locoteams
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ?highlight=%28CategoryLoCoTeams%29#The%20LoCo%20team%20in%20my%20area%20is%20not%20very%20good,%20can%20I%20replace%20it?
[16:40] <Extend> nealmcb, thanks a lot
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoFAQ
[16:40] <Extend> mathiaz, thanks :d i don't know what to say really
[16:40] <jdbrowne> what is wrong with rhcs?
[16:40] <mathiaz> Extend: ^^ that page should give you pointers to move forward
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: what's the issue with bacula?
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: it needs more testing/fixing in jaunty?
[16:41] <Extend> thanks all
[16:41] <ivoks> mathiaz: i guess not, but i have to check if there are bugs for jaunty
[16:41] <mathiaz> ivoks: same question for rhcs
[16:41] <ivoks> mathiaz: i was thinking at loud
[16:42] <ivoks> there's nothing more we could do for jaunty, except bugs triaging
[16:42] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok. So more testing and bug handling is required for bacula
[16:42] <ivoks> mathiaz: well, the usual care and testing
[16:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok.
[16:43] <mathiaz> ivoks: what about rhcs?
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: well, i would like to see jaunty being last version that supports rhcs
[16:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIRC rhcs and linux-ha are not totally feature compatible
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: fabionne was maintainer of rhcs in ubuntu and now we have quite old rhcs
[16:44] <ivoks> mathiaz: no one else wants to take it and not that many people use it
[16:44] <mathiaz> ivoks: is there an equivalent to gvfs in linux-ha?
[16:44] <ivoks> gfs
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: fabionne gave up rhcs in ubuntu?
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: IIUC he was still maintaining it
[16:45] <mathiaz> ivoks: I've seen a couple of upload to jaunty
[16:45] <Agafonov> mathiaz: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncilAgenda points here as todays LoCo meeting. Is it mistake?
[16:46] <ivoks> mathiaz: there was his post on ubuntu-devel about rhcs
[16:46] <ivoks> mathiaz: let me find it
[16:46] <mathiaz> Agafonov: sure - at 20:00 UTC
[16:47] <ivoks> mathiaz: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027583.html
[16:47] <mathiaz> ivoks: right.
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: we should probably discuss that during the next UDS
[16:48] <ivoks> of course...
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: and see what we should do about it.
[16:48] <mathiaz> ivoks: I thought there was some demand for rhcs
[16:48] <ivoks> i don't know if anyone is that familliar with it as fabio
[16:49] <mathiaz> ivoks: ok - from a maintainance point of view.
[16:49] <mathiaz> ivoks: and so the proposal would be to replace it with linux-ha?
[16:49] <ivoks> mathiaz: i use it on couple of projects... does anyone else here uses it?
[16:49] <ivoks> it would be great if canonical would give some info about their customer requests for rhcs
[16:50]  * sommer has been considering it, but hasn't really gone in depth
[16:50] <mathiaz> ivoks: I don't know. I can ask the Canonical support guys about it.
[16:50] <ivoks> mathiaz: please do
[16:50] <ivoks> that's for karmic, of course...
[16:50] <mathiaz> ivoks: sure :)
[16:50] <ivoks> in jaunty, i'll make sure everything is working as it should
[16:51] <mathiaz> anything else to discuss?
[16:51] <ivoks> i didn't test it, so it might be ok already :)
[16:51] <mathiaz> ivoks: thanks for giving some love to bacula and rhcs
[16:51] <mathiaz> anything else to discuss?
[16:51] <jdbrowne> is it the right time and people to discuss glitches in the kvm/libvirt jaunty setup, or should I file the bugs first?
[16:52] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: filing bugs is the best way to proceed
[16:52] <jdbrowne> ok
[16:52] <nealmcb> jdbrowne: and then you can also see #ubuntu-virt
[16:53] <jdbrowne> nealmcb: done, i will file the bugs with all the steps to reproduce
[16:54] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: great thanks.
[16:54] <nealmcb> jdbrowne: good!
[16:54] <mathiaz> let's move on
[16:54] <jdbrowne> no pb. This is my own intrest :) will Nijaba be in solutions linux tomorrow also?
[16:54] <mathiaz> time to wrap up
[16:54] <mathiaz> jdbrowne: yes - he already is there
[16:54] <mathiaz> [TOPIC] Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:54] <MootBot> New Topic:  Agree on next meeting date and time
[16:54] <mathiaz> same place, same time, next week?
[16:55] <sommer> sure
[16:56] <ivoks> yes
[16:56] <ivoks> bye :)
[16:56] <mathiaz> great - so see you all next week, same place, same time
[16:56] <mathiaz> and don't forget to testdrive Jaunty Beta!
[16:56] <mathiaz> #endmeeting

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