06072014

Contents

General Agenda Items and Proposals
Time
Place of the meeting
Meeting information
Logs

General Agenda Items and Proposals

Who	Subject	Details
Everybody	Show of hands to gauge attendance	Say o/ when asked
amjjawad	Follow up with the previous meeting	https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuGNOME/Meetings/29062014
YOUR_NAME	--	--
Anybody	Any Other Business	A final round up

Time

Plan A*: Sun, 06- July, 2014, 21:00 GMT

Place of the meeting

IRC: irc.freenode.org
Channel: #ubuntu-gnome
Webchat link : Click Here

Meeting information

#ubuntu-gnome: [UU-Cycle] Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Meeting #3, 06 Jul at 21:08 — 22:30 UTC
Full logs at http://ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-gnome/2014/ubuntu-gnome.2014-07-06-21.08.log.html

Meeting summary

Artwork

The discussion about "Artwork" started at 21:26.

ACTION: decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle
ACTION: amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website
LINK: http://ubuntugnome.org/
ACTION: amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design
ACTION: we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one
ACTION: no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design
ACTION: satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done
LINK: http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-Shell-Elegance-Colors-305966388
ACTION: satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons
ACTION: have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya
LINK: http://mozillaindia.org
ACTION: satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not
ACTION: amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun

Vote results

Action items, by person

amjjawad
- amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website
- amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design
- amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun
satya
- amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website
- amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design
- satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done
- satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons
- have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya
- satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not
**UNASSIGNED**
- decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle
- we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one
- no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design

Done items

(none)

People present (lines said)

amjjawad (198)
satya (139)
meetingology (13)
cla_ (10)
ahoneybun (2)

Full Log

21:08 <amjjawad> #startmeeting [UU-Cycle] Ubuntu GNOME Weekly Meeting #3
21:08 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jul 6 21:08:56 2014 UTC. The chair is amjjawad. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.
21:08 <meetingology>
21:08 <meetingology> Available commands: action commands idea info link nick
21:10 <amjjawad> okay, so it seems I'm the only one here?!
21:15 <cla_> hello
21:16 <amjjawad> cla_, hi
21:17 <amjjawad> Noskcaj, darkxst are you there?!
21:17 <cla_> i am from argetina using ubuntu 14!
21:17 <amjjawad> cla_, welcome and good to know that
21:18 <amjjawad> Good luck with your match with Netherlands
21:19 <amjjawad> Hmm, can't find anyone ... we have our weekly meeting for Ubuntu GNOME but guess no one is here too bad, too sad.
21:19 <cla_> you are kind
21:19 <amjjawad> cla_, , thank you are you using Ubuntu GNOME?!
21:19 <cla_> I used it it looks very good
21:20 <amjjawad> cla_, I'm glad to know that
21:20 <cla_> i ve got several pc using it
21:20 <amjjawad> amazing
21:20 <cla_> mine is using pardus
21:20 <amjjawad> cla_, see this http://ubuntugnome.org/learn-about-ubuntu-gnome-community/
21:21 <cla_> ok
21:22 <cla_> i haven't got any mistake
21:23 <amjjawad> that is great to know
21:23 <amjjawad> the link I sent you is useful, I'd suggest to add that to your bookmarks
21:23 <cla_> i wanted to say hello, i gat to leave!
21:23 <amjjawad> cla_, that is so kind and nice of you feel free to join our mailing list or IRC channel
21:24 <cla_> bye bye
21:24 <satya> hola
21:25 <amjjawad> satya, finally!!
21:25 <satya>
21:25 <amjjawad> I was about to KILL YOU ALL :P
21:25 <satya> why?
21:25 <amjjawad> I'm here for 20 mins
21:25 <satya> who else is?
21:25 <amjjawad> why? hmmm, maybe because we have a meeting?
21:25 <amjjawad> we're alone ...
21:26 <satya> really???
21:26 <amjjawad> I sent an email ... it seems everyone is ZzZz
21:26 <satya> hmm...
21:26 <amjjawad> okay, let's start
21:26 <satya> yup
21:26 <amjjawad> I will end it on time which is after 35mins
21:26 <satya> sure
21:26 <amjjawad> #topic Artwork
21:27 <amjjawad> so, Mr. Acting :P
21:27 <amjjawad> any update?
21:27 <amjjawad> hope you didn't forget that you're acting TL now
21:27 <satya> nothing. but alfredo had sent you an email
21:27 <satya> nope. I remember
21:27 <amjjawad> right, which I had no time to read I just saw the subject
21:28 <satya> oh, they were the website mockups
21:28 <satya> so if you approve, we can proceed to the work
21:28 <amjjawad> I'm reading now
21:28 <satya> nicey
21:28 <amjjawad> I'm done with reading but didn't open the mockups yet
21:28 <amjjawad> we can't vote now it is just me and you
21:28 <amjjawad> hmmm, it is good idea to play the bad guy here heheheh
21:29 <satya> yeah. no issues
21:29 <amjjawad> they didn't attend so I will vote :P
21:29 <amjjawad> just kidding
21:29 <satya> lol
21:29 <amjjawad> hehehe
21:29 <satya> could we also get votes through the ML?
21:30 <amjjawad> satya, interesting = http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B/o
21:31 <satya> loading
21:31 <amjjawad> satya, yeah, why not but here is faster and easier
21:31 <satya> where?
21:31 <amjjawad> here
21:31 <amjjawad> here is better
21:31 <amjjawad> the idea is nice
21:32 <amjjawad> but I guess we can do better?
21:32 <amjjawad> I have few points to share if I may
21:32 <satya> yeah, sure. would be nice
21:32 <amjjawad> (1) the current theme/color we're using ... this is the default for 14.04 ... what if we change that for 14.10 and 15.04 and so on?
21:33 <amjjawad> my point is, why not have something that can be used always without the need to change it every cycle?
21:33 <satya> we need a consistent brand color and theme
21:33 <amjjawad> why?
21:33 <satya> alfredo had a document with the color guidelines
21:33 <amjjawad> satya, I shall not approve the use of the same wallpaper for 14.10 :P :P
21:33 <satya> because we need to be consistent to be recognizable
21:34 <amjjawad> satya, okay, but I hope you see my point
21:34 <amjjawad> kidding aside, the current wallpaper is for UG 14.04
21:34 <amjjawad> am I right?
21:34 <satya> it's not about the wallpaper, but the color palette. if you are talking about the strip there, I guess we can update it every release or so
21:35 <amjjawad> I'm talking about the wallpaper of the website
21:35 <satya> or have an image which is not the wallpaper
21:35 <satya> yeah, I get it, the strip below the header
21:35 <amjjawad> yep
21:35 <amjjawad> satya, that is the one, phew
21:36 <amjjawad> are we going to change that every 6 months? here is the Q
21:36 <satya> so, here is the idea, either use a completely separate image, or change it every 6 months
21:36 <amjjawad> hmm
21:36 <satya> using a different image is a good idea
21:36 <amjjawad> I can't even use my full authority now
21:36 <satya> but that must represent Ubuntu GNOME somehow
21:36 <amjjawad> I can't vote for that alone
21:37 <ahoneybun> o/
21:37 <satya> hello ahoneybun
21:37 <amjjawad> ahoneybun, hey
21:37 <ahoneybun> hey satya amjjawad
21:37 <amjjawad>
21:37 <amjjawad> satya, okay, I won't be the stubborn leader I'll be easy going
21:38 <satya> so, amjjwad, we can perhaps take the votes through mailing list, since more people can vote there?
21:38 <amjjawad> #action decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle 21:38 * meetingology decide on the mailing list whether to use a wallpaper that refer to Ubuntu GNOME and change that every 6 months OR have one that remains without the need to change it every cycle
21:38 <amjjawad> satya, done
21:39 <satya> great
21:39 <satya> also, about the mockups, I would love if there were 2-3 different types, but you know, designing is not an easy task
21:39 <satya> it requires time, and we have very little
21:39 <amjjawad> satya, you guys are 'not' supposed to do it alone
21:39 <amjjawad> here is an issue that we had last cycle
21:39 <amjjawad> I have asked your team to communicate
21:39 <satya> yes?
21:40 <amjjawad> yet, it i snot happening
21:40 <satya> communicate about what?
21:40 <amjjawad> you're acting now. If you need anything, you can ask me or Alfredo or Tim
21:40 <satya> or to whom?
21:40 <amjjawad> Communicate with those who are supposed to work on the new website design
21:40 <satya> yup. sure.
21:40 <amjjawad> and the rest of the team.
21:41 <amjjawad> I don't want to but the burden on your shoulders alone, this is not fair.
21:41 <amjjawad> and you just stated that you guys have little time
21:41 <satya> yeah, but again, we sent it to the ML too.
21:41 <amjjawad> hmmm
21:41 <amjjawad> that is the problem
21:41 <satya> that we need a design
21:41 <amjjawad> you sent it to Artwork ML
21:42 <amjjawad> not the 'main' one
21:42 <satya> I sent the mockup to Artwork ML to get the internal feedback first
21:42 <amjjawad> anyway, I'd love the idea of having 3 different designs to choose from
21:42 <amjjawad> I know
21:42 <amjjawad> you need the feedback for your design
21:42 <amjjawad> we need 2 more
21:43 <amjjawad> okay, how long time do we have for this?
21:43 <satya> now that alfredo and me have the designs, we can send it to the main ML, and get feedback
21:43 <amjjawad> I don't think the website has anything to do with feature freeze or whatever?
21:43 <amjjawad> I must check that with darkxst
21:43 <satya> I'm not sure, but I think Neil had said he will be busier in coming days
21:43 <amjjawad> #action amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website 21:43 * meetingology amjjawad satya to check with darkxst about the time we have for Ubuntu GNOME website
21:43 <satya> he can do the work, but it'll be little slower
21:44 <amjjawad> action point logged
21:44 <amjjawad> if we have time until the end of this cycle, that would be great, I guess
21:44 <amjjawad> what do you think?
21:45 <satya> yeah, I would prefer the redesign to happen before the release
21:45 <satya> I have to ask Neil how fast he can finish it
21:45 <satya> but first, I've to get feedback
21:45 <amjjawad> Neil will do one design, I guess?
21:45 <amjjawad> Okay, back to our team design (yours)
21:46 <satya> Neil will code the website
21:46 <amjjawad> I like the idea ... simple and short ... but can we do better? I rate it 7/10 maybe
21:46 <amjjawad> I'm still not happy with two tabs for docs
21:46 <satya> so, what's your idea?
21:47 <amjjawad> one tab, just like the community tab
21:47 <satya> the two tabs for FAQ and Documentation serve a simple purpose, to make the FAQ more accessible
21:47 <amjjawad> wait please
21:47 <amjjawad> the current website has:
21:47 <amjjawad> 6 tabs
21:48 <amjjawad> Home - Screenshots - Docs - Download - Getting Involved - Contact Us 21:48 * satya is checking the current one
21:48 <amjjawad> http://ubuntugnome.org/
21:49 <satya> yeh, when you hover over "Documentation", 2 links appear
21:49 <satya> "FAQ" and "Wiki"
21:49 <amjjawad> indeed
21:49 <satya> hover is not something that is available in phones and tablets
21:49 <amjjawad> that is why I'm asking to merge (on the new design) both FAQs and Wiki
21:50 <satya> yeah, but hover is not available on all devices, so it hurts accessibility
21:50 <amjjawad> those who click Docs should find 'FAQs' and 'Wiki' - just like what you guys did with Community
21:50 <amjjawad> No hover
21:50 <amjjawad> just like what you did with Community on the new design
21:51 <satya> that will mean a complex navigation with menu and submenu
21:51 <amjjawad> satya,
21:51 <satya> in the mobile view, we would already have the navigation menu collapsed into one icon
21:51 <amjjawad> you're not seeing my point
21:52 <amjjawad> satya, see this please http://cl.ly/image/0Y2S3F0B0O3B
21:52 <amjjawad> why you merged the two tabs here?
21:52 <amjjawad> while you don't want to do the same with FAQs and Wiki ? 21:52 * satya is checking
21:54 <satya> FAQ and Wiki are totally different. They have lots of content. Getting involved and contact us are short. I don't mind if they are separate though
21:54 <satya> but merging them doesn't do any harm
21:54 <satya> FAQ will be like one page long
21:55 <amjjawad> satya, Wiki will have nothing but links in fact, one link to our Wiki Area so it is FAQ that will have some teext
21:55 <amjjawad> yes and that is all what we need
21:55 <satya> yeah, that "Documentation" is meant to just link to the "Wiki" page, AFAIK
21:56 <satya> isn't it?
21:56 <amjjawad> satya,
21:56 <amjjawad> you're too sleepy :P
21:56 <satya>
21:56 <amjjawad> I wish I could draw that and show you
21:56 <amjjawad> that is why I love google hangout
21:57 <satya> yeah, that would help me understand
21:57 <amjjawad> if we were using it, that would be easier for me to explain
21:57 <amjjawad> okay, let's decide that later
21:57 <satya> yup. please draw one, so I can better understand
21:57 <amjjawad> #action amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design 21:57 * meetingology amjjawad satya and the rest of the team to decide about merging Wiki and FAQs under one tab called Docs with the new design
21:57 <satya> right now, seems I'm confused
21:58 <amjjawad> I know
21:58 <amjjawad> so let's leave it for now
21:58 <amjjawad> anything else before we end the meeting?
21:58 <amjjawad> what I do love about the new design is the bottom
21:58 <amjjawad> footer
21:58 <amjjawad> it is WOW
21:59 <satya> yeah, alfredo wanted to have a beautiful footer :
21:59 <satya> :
21:59 <satya>
21:59 <amjjawad> yeah, it is so nice
21:59 <satya> so, apart from the navigation bar, what else?
22:00 <amjjawad> the bar + the wallpapers
22:00 <amjjawad> that is all for now
22:00 <amjjawad> it is nice and simple
22:00 <satya> ok. about a slideshow, we don't want a slideshow as it will not work properly on a mobile device
22:00 <amjjawad> #action we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one 22:00 * meetingology we should have 3 different designs for the new website not only one
22:00 <amjjawad> satya, -1 for slideshow
22:01 <amjjawad> #action no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design 22:01 * meetingology no slidesshow nor heavy stuff on the new website design
22:01 <satya> so, I'll send a mail to the main ML tomorrow with the current mockups, and our requirements if someone wants to submit new mockups
22:01 <amjjawad> what else?
22:01 <amjjawad> good call
22:02 <satya> about including themes
22:02 <amjjawad> #action satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done 22:02 * meetingology satya to send an email to the general mailing list about the mockups UG Artwork Team has done
22:02 <amjjawad> okay, what else?
22:02 <satya> including themes
22:02 <amjjawad> a side from the notes I have discussed, I don't have any other problem with the design
22:02 <amjjawad> themes?
22:02 <amjjawad> what themes? website themes?
22:03 <satya> no, GTK themes
22:03 <satya> to include in the default installation
22:03 <satya> last time we talked about having moka and numix
22:04 <amjjawad> right
22:05 <amjjawad> I don't mind anything nice
22:05 <amjjawad> but I do want UG to have some themes by default
22:05 <satya> so, should I proceed to talk with Sam Hewitt about having Moka?
22:05 <amjjawad> we already agreed about that last meeting
22:05 <amjjawad> Ohh, Sam
22:05 <amjjawad> hehe
22:05 <satya>
22:05 <amjjawad> he had once negative feedback about UG
22:06 <amjjawad> but I guess nothing personal
22:06 <amjjawad> we had a quick chat on UG G+ Page
22:06 <satya> lol
22:06 <satya> what did he say?
22:06 <amjjawad> I forgot
22:06 <amjjawad> he wasn't happy with something ... can't remember
22:06 <satya> may be due to old Gnome version
22:07 <amjjawad> anyway, how many themes can add by default?
22:07 <amjjawad> we have only one which is the default, right? I mean for 14.04
22:07 <amjjawad> if we could add 2-3, that would be super great
22:07 <satya> there aren't many good themes AFAIK
22:08 <satya> elementary, Moka, Numix, Iris are all I know
22:08 <satya> elementary is not suitable for GNOME
22:08 <satya> we can have Moka, Numix and Iris
22:08 <amjjawad> at least, we give some options to our users
22:08 <satya> yeah
22:08 <amjjawad> from what I have seen so far, the only negative feedback we do have is the look and feel
22:08 <amjjawad> most of the feedback stating that our system is rock solid
22:09 <amjjawad> and I can confirm that
22:09 <amjjawad> but it is the look and feel
22:09 <amjjawad> that even myself not happy with
22:09 <amjjawad> shh, don't tell anyone :P
22:09 <satya> yeah, but that's the default GNOME look. what we can do
22:09 <satya>
22:09 <amjjawad> so, I guess this is all about this week meeting ... anything else before I go?
22:09 <satya> do we want to include any GNOME shell theme?
22:09 <amjjawad> satya, we must find a way to include more themes and nice wallappers
22:10 <satya> wait, I have few things to say
22:10 <amjjawad> satya, ok
22:10 <satya> I don't worry about wallpapers, I'm sure, they'll be plenty
22:10 <amjjawad> +1
22:11 <satya> so, do we want to also include Gnome Shell themes and icon themes?
22:11 <satya> for icon themes, we could include Moka, elementary Xfce, Numix Circle etc.
22:11 <amjjawad> more icons themes = yes
22:11 <amjjawad> GNOME Shell Themes?
22:12 <satya> yeah?
22:12 <satya> about shell themes, guess lots of themes aren't properly maintained
22:12 <amjjawad> I'm too tired to figure out what we are talking about
22:13 <amjjawad> the one that if we change, the look of the system will change?
22:13 <satya> one moment
22:13 <satya> http://satya164.deviantart.com/art/Gnome-Shell-Elegance-Colors-305966388
22:14 <satya> it's the Gnome Shell theme I actively maintain
22:14 <amjjawad> so I was right
22:14 <amjjawad> the one that if we change it, the whole thing will be changed
22:14 <amjjawad> sure, that would be lovely
22:15 <satya> good. so my point, we don't have many GNOME shell themes which are actively maintained
22:15 <satya> if we include the one I linked above, I know that it'll be actively maintained
22:15 <satya> also, it's an app, not a theme
22:16 <amjjawad> I don't mind
22:16 <amjjawad> we need to talk with darkxst about that
22:16 <amjjawad> #action satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons 22:16 * meetingology satya to check with darkxst about GNOME Shell Themes and Icons
22:16 <amjjawad> what else?
22:16 <satya> so, about the wallpaper contest
22:16 <satya> there is no progress yet.
22:16 <amjjawad> yeah, we agreed to start that
22:16 <satya> but I think I should start this week
22:16 <amjjawad> it is okay, no rush
22:16 <amjjawad> that is good
22:17 <satya> so, we decided to use flickr, and 2 submissions per user, right?
22:18 <satya> how about we make it like that, have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre?
22:18 <satya> like nature, city, abstract etc.?
22:18 <satya> to have some variety in the wallpapers
22:18 <amjjawad> hmm
22:18 <amjjawad> that is good idea
22:18 <amjjawad> and 1 to 2 submit per user
22:19 <satya> yup
22:19 <amjjawad> the total is 10, right?
22:19 <satya> yeah, I think so
22:19 <satya> so, I shall talk to alfredo and proceed with the idea then?
22:19 <amjjawad> #action have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya 22:19 * meetingology have 5 different genres, and choose 2 wallpapers from each genre for the wallpaper contest satya
22:19 <amjjawad> yep
22:20 <satya> great.
22:20 <amjjawad>
22:20 <satya> nothing else, right?
22:20 <amjjawad> hahaha
22:20 <amjjawad> I'm done
22:20 <satya> okay
22:20 <satya> do you want ownership of this http://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome ?
22:21 <amjjawad> what is this
22:22 <satya> scrollback room for ubuntu gnome
22:22 <satya> it is integrated with our irc
22:22 <amjjawad> no idea what is it
22:22 <satya> currently I own that room
22:22 <satya> it's a chat client
22:22 <amjjawad> but I have enough stuff to be the owner of hehe
22:22 <amjjawad> ohhh
22:22 <amjjawad> I see the stuff I'm sending here
22:22 <satya> remeber, I was talking about having it on our site?
22:23 <amjjawad> are you trying to say ... we add that to our website?
22:23 <satya> yeah, as a chat widget
22:23 <satya> which will load on demand
22:23 <satya> so as not to slow the page
22:23 <satya> but it uses appcache anyways, so it won't be slow from the 2nd time
22:24 <satya> note that that is an open source project
22:24 <satya> and I work for them
22:24 <amjjawad> if this is fast and does not require lots of stuff, why not
22:24 <amjjawad> ohh
22:24 <amjjawad> nice
22:24 <satya>
22:25 <satya> okay, so that's it then
22:25 <satya> we can have the widget on the community page
22:27 <satya> http://mozillaindia.org
22:27 <satya> they are using it
22:27 <amjjawad> #action satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not
22:27 * meetingology satya to check with the rest of UG team about having: https://scrollback.io/ubuntu-gnome on our website (new) or not
22:27 <satya> so, I don't have anything else to say
22:28 <amjjawad> okay then
22:28 <amjjawad> thanks a lot
22:29 <amjjawad> that was 1-2-1 meeting hehe
22:29 <satya>
22:29 <satya> hey, one thing
22:29 <satya> about rescheduling
22:29 <satya> I asked if we could have it on saturday
22:29 <amjjawad> right
22:30 <amjjawad> #action amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun 22:30 * meetingology amjjawad to check with darkxst about doing the weekly meetings on Sat instead of Sun
22:30 <satya> so...
22:30 <satya> nice
22:30 <amjjawad>
22:30 <amjjawad> #endmeeting