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| {{{Sep 05 20:11:07 <Ek0nomik> Ayuthia sent me a message with a few ideas: Sep 05 20:11:13 <Ek0nomik> "Sounds like there are thoughts about how and where we should post things. Also, there are some ideas about team projects." Sep 05 20:11:43 <Ek0nomik> "post things", is in regards to mailing list versus forum. Sep 05 20:12:46 <lifewithryan> back Sep 05 20:13:20 <Ek0nomik> k. Sep 05 20:13:30 <lifewithryan> wll list vs. forum...serve two different audiences really Sep 05 20:14:11 <Ek0nomik> imo, yes, but it will also overlap. Sep 05 20:14:23 <lifewithryan> the list is mainly for our group...the forums well are more "open to everyone" though I suppose anyone can signup to the lsit Sep 05 20:14:25 <lifewithryan> er list Sep 05 20:14:44 <lifewithryan> i guess my thought see what most people are using... Sep 05 20:14:50 <Ek0nomik> indeed. I think people less tech savvy will be making posts on the forums. Sep 05 20:15:01 <lifewithryan> and i haven't seen many emails going out Sep 05 20:15:10 <lifewithryan> plus...alot of people get enough email... Sep 05 20:15:16 <lifewithryan> so I vote for forums... Sep 05 20:15:18 <Ek0nomik> both have their benefits. Sep 05 20:15:28 <lifewithryan> (if we're picking one or the other that is) Sep 05 20:15:41 <MethodOne> i go for the forums Sep 05 20:16:11 <Ek0nomik> yeah, I like the forums too... mainly because from personal experience, the forums is where I first got involved in the first place. Sep 05 20:16:14 <lifewithryan> i mean to keep it purely "service oriented" so to speak...problems issues with the OS/Setup etc should be forums Sep 05 20:16:28 <lifewithryan> administration of the group or "internal group stuff" should be on the email list Sep 05 20:16:46 <Ek0nomik> yeah. we need to make sure people get on that mailing list though. Sep 05 20:16:53 <Ek0nomik> I feel like we need a way for it to stand out a bit more. Sep 05 20:17:04 <lifewithryan> harumph... Sep 05 20:17:12 * lifewithryan is thinking Sep 05 20:17:32 <Ek0nomik> maybe that's just me, but I think it does. Sep 05 20:17:54 <lifewithryan> i guess the email list and its exposure would kinda go hand and hand with the team "site" Sep 05 20:18:04 <lifewithryan> who we are, what we do, our goals etc Sep 05 20:18:10 <lifewithryan> just thinking off the top of my head here Sep 05 20:18:54 <lifewithryan> so get a "site" in order, and stress that if you really want to be a core part of the group, its a good idea to signup to the email list Sep 05 20:19:10 <lifewithryan> just a thought Sep 05 20:19:36 <lifewithryan> (if i'm babbling, tell me to shut up) Sep 05 20:20:33 <Ek0nomik> lol. you're not babbling at all. Sep 05 20:20:49 <Ek0nomik> having a group website was another topic on its own really Sep 05 20:20:59 <Ek0nomik> there seemed to be some apprehension towards it. Sep 05 20:21:08 <Ek0nomik> mostly fee's as far as I remember. Sep 05 20:21:25 <Ek0nomik> building the website would be fairly easy... just a static website would really serve a purpose, with perhaps a wordpress blog or something. Sep 05 20:22:38 <lifewithryan> don't worry about hosting...I may be able to provide it Sep 05 20:22:45 <lifewithryan> (i resell hosting with a buddy of mine) Sep 05 20:23:01 <lifewithryan> so as long as we didn't get tons of traffic...its quite doable. Sep 05 20:23:09 <Ek0nomik> well that might solve the debate entirely, because if it's free then we might as well. Sep 05 20:23:19 <Ek0nomik> it would be "free" right? I don't want you paying any money out of your pocket. Sep 05 20:23:22 <Ek0nomik> :) Sep 05 20:23:28 <lifewithryan> I'd even be willing to host it off a subdir of my moonlighting gig's website Sep 05 20:23:38 <Ek0nomik> moonlighting? Sep 05 20:23:41 <lifewithryan> so something like www.gnumoon.com/TeamWisconsin Sep 05 20:24:03 <lifewithryan> yeah...I work 8 to 5 for a consulting firm, but then i run my "own" show after hours to bring in some extra cash Sep 05 20:24:20 <Ek0nomik> hmm. Sep 05 20:24:26 <Ek0nomik> What does gnumoon do? Sep 05 20:24:37 <lifewithryan> we do mainly PHP/Linux type stuff...and since we're "moonlighting" we cam up with GnuMoon Sep 05 20:24:50 <lifewithryan> but my partner is security/network focused Sep 05 20:25:17 <Ek0nomik> who are you after? small business? Sep 05 20:25:40 <lifewithryan> yeah...mainly small business/mom & pop shops...the people who can't really afford the bigger firms Sep 05 20:26:05 <Ek0nomik> that's cool. Sep 05 20:26:09 <Ek0nomik> you keep pretty damn busy. Sep 05 20:26:39 <lifewithryan> but without paying for a domain name...the only option is to piggy back of something else, that's why I threw it out there Sep 05 20:26:51 <Ek0nomik> yeah, I understand. Sep 05 20:27:00 <lifewithryan> but doesn't the ubuntu Loco stuff let us make our own page? Sep 05 20:27:04 <lifewithryan> for free Sep 05 20:27:19 <Ek0nomik> you mean getting a subdomain of some overall LoCo site? Sep 05 20:27:23 <Ek0nomik> I'm not sure... Sep 05 20:27:51 <lifewithryan> just a sec Sep 05 20:28:19 <lifewithryan> ahhh nevermind... Sep 05 20:28:39 <Ek0nomik> I could even host one on one of my boxes. Sep 05 20:28:42 <lifewithryan> yeah...if you guys *want* to do a site...we gotta come up with what the site will be used for Sep 05 20:29:00 <Ek0nomik> and use dyndns to route to my box. Sep 05 20:29:11 <lifewithryan> so if you're thinkin blog...how often, what to blog about etc Sep 05 20:30:13 <lifewithryan> the hard part i guess is coming up with "vision" for what this groups purpose actually is Sep 05 20:30:30 <lifewithryan> sure, spread the word of ubuntu...but what else? Sep 05 20:31:09 <Ek0nomik> help with installation? Sep 05 20:31:28 <Ek0nomik> I've helped two of my roomates get it on their laptops/desktops. Sep 05 20:31:42 <Ek0nomik> and next weekend I will be helping my girlfriend install it. Sep 05 20:31:54 <lifewithryan> okay...but playing devil's advocate here...isn't that what the forums would be for? so perhaps rather than a full-fledged web site...perhaps more of a portal Sep 05 20:32:21 <Ek0nomik> portal? Sep 05 20:32:21 <lifewithryan> with the occasional blog message or something? Sep 05 20:32:39 <MethodOne> the group can help locals in person Sep 05 20:32:44 <lifewithryan> yeah...a site that basically is the central repository for all things "Ubuntu Team Wisconsin" related Sep 05 20:32:54 <lifewithryan> very good idea MethodOne Sep 05 20:33:08 <Ek0nomik> Method: indeed, just needs to be advertised. Sep 05 20:33:10 <lifewithryan> is anyone logging this? Sep 05 20:33:15 <Ek0nomik> yeah, I'm on it. Sep 05 20:33:40 <MethodOne> i advertised the group on facebook Sep 05 20:33:48 <MethodOne> in my local network Sep 05 20:33:52 <Ek0nomik> yeah we have a facebook group too, lol. Sep 05 20:34:01 <MethodOne> the sheboygan, wi one Sep 05 20:34:29 <lifewithryan> cool...so far we've got UbuntuTeamWisconsin site would have links to the forums, the wiki, a sort of mission statement, event calendar, possible blog Sep 05 20:34:48 <Ek0nomik> a "How to get started" page would be beneficial I think. Sep 05 20:34:56 <Ek0nomik> basically laying out all the resources. Sep 05 20:34:58 <lifewithryan> yeah Sep 05 20:35:05 <Ek0nomik> and what we use them for. Sep 05 20:35:14 <lifewithryan> very good Sep 05 20:35:31 <lifewithryan> (good experience for ya Ek0 Sep 05 20:35:37 <Ek0nomik> what is? Sep 05 20:35:39 <lifewithryan> roll up them PHP sleeves Sep 05 20:35:44 <Ek0nomik> hahha. Sep 05 20:35:46 <lifewithryan> (i was kidding) Sep 05 20:36:04 <Ek0nomik> I'm reading "The Goal", I've got my head in the game. Sep 05 20:36:08 <lifewithryan> i don't mean to "volunteer" anyone Sep 05 20:36:14 <lifewithryan> lol Sep 05 20:36:24 <Ek0nomik> need to read it for Management 341. :P Sep 05 20:36:30 <Ek0nomik> good book though actually. Sep 05 20:36:36 <lifewithryan> never read it :) Sep 05 20:36:49 <Ek0nomik> I could work on it lifewithryan, but I may be a bit slower on the ball now that school started. Sep 05 20:36:52 <Ek0nomik> but I definitely have free time. Sep 05 20:37:15 <lifewithryan> well, we could do something like Joomla Sep 05 20:37:29 <lifewithryan> not that I'm a big fan of Joomla Sep 05 20:37:35 <lifewithryan> but its quick and easy Sep 05 20:38:02 <Ek0nomik> I had never heard of it tbh. Sep 05 20:38:27 <lifewithryan> its just a content management system with templates, etc...allows you to throw up a site really quickly Sep 05 20:38:36 <lifewithryan> www.gnumoon.com (done in joomla) Sep 05 20:38:40 <lifewithryan> in minutes Sep 05 20:39:23 <Ek0nomik> hmm. Sep 05 20:39:37 <Ek0nomik> we could definitely use it I suppose. Sep 05 20:39:41 <lifewithryan> not that that is a "model" site by any means...just an example Sep 05 20:39:51 * Vorian (n=Steve@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.Vorian) has joined #ubuntu-wisconsin Sep 05 20:39:54 <lifewithryan> (if you're worried about time...other than that, i'd opt for roll your own) Sep 05 20:40:06 <lifewithryan> welcome Vorian Sep 05 20:40:12 <Vorian> hello :) Sep 05 20:40:17 <Ek0nomik> I don't know if I'd want to roll my own blog right away though. Sep 05 20:40:34 <lifewithryan> heh...probably not...wordpress is good Sep 05 20:40:44 <lifewithryan> not sure what all you can do with it though Sep 05 20:40:52 <Ek0nomik> with what? wordpress? Sep 05 20:40:56 <lifewithryan> yeah... Sep 05 20:41:09 <lifewithryan> can you have event calendars and such? i've only ever used it for blog Sep 05 20:41:43 <Ek0nomik> just a calendar with important dates? I am not sure if it's built into wordpress, but there are probably plenty of alternatives we could use. Sep 05 20:41:46 <Ek0nomik> javascript etc. Sep 05 20:41:56 <lifewithryan> yeah Sep 05 20:42:08 <lifewithryan> i just thought there was a worry about time Sep 05 20:42:21 <lifewithryan> or are you talking pre-built javascript? Sep 05 20:42:31 <Ek0nomik> pre-built. Sep 05 20:42:38 <lifewithryan> aahh :) Sep 05 20:42:39 <lifewithryan> k Sep 05 20:43:58 <lifewithryan> so...have we justified the need for a website? Sep 05 20:45:17 <lifewithryan> just askin... Sep 05 20:45:37 <lifewithryan> (pardon me if I seem like i'm a jerk or something...i'm very tired and cranky today) Sep 05 20:46:04 <Ek0nomik> lol, no worries. Sep 05 20:46:10 <Ek0nomik> I think a website would be beneficial. Sep 05 20:46:15 <Ek0nomik> what do you think? Sep 05 20:46:19 <Ek0nomik> and MethodOne? Sep 05 20:46:24 <lifewithryan> i say "yea" Sep 05 20:46:34 <MethodOne> yes Sep 05 20:47:06 <lifewithryan> heh...well out of the three of us here (four if Vorian wishes to chime in) sounds like its unanimous...lol Sep 05 20:47:28 <lifewithryan> so put on the agenda for the next meeting to perhaps nominate a team or a person to head that venture up? Sep 05 20:47:29 <Vorian> word press Sep 05 20:47:33 <Vorian> ftw Sep 05 20:48:09 <Ek0nomik> done deal. Sep 05 20:48:58 <lifewithryan> sweet Sep 05 20:49:43 <Ek0nomik> maybe I will try to built a few layouts or something. Sep 05 20:49:54 <lifewithryan> cool Sep 05 20:51:42 <Ek0nomik> I could make a thead where people can post designs I suppose. Sep 05 20:51:48 <Ek0nomik> although many probably wouldn't get submitted, lol. Sep 05 20:52:27 <lifewithryan> still...worth a shot... Sep 05 20:52:44 <lifewithryan> just promise me there won't be any flash ;) Sep 05 20:52:49 <Ek0nomik> nope. Sep 05 20:53:44 <Ek0nomik> probably a bunch of javascripts to change the mouse cursor, some midi files playing in the background. :P Sep 05 20:54:13 <lifewithryan> *ugh* :) Sep 05 20:54:16 <Ek0nomik> hahha. Sep 05 20:54:25 <lifewithryan> believe it or not, i've had clients ask for some of that stuff Sep 05 20:54:30 <Ek0nomik> no doubt. Sep 05 20:54:47 <lifewithryan> the client will always choose dancing hippos over rich features :) Sep 05 20:55:44 <Ek0nomik> maybe we should have flash... perhaps a badger, badger, badger intro? Sep 05 20:55:46 <Ek0nomik> ;) Sep 05 20:55:58 <lifewithryan> thats hilarious :) Sep 05 20:59:35 <lifewithryan> ugh...i hate getting things to validate with the W3C Sep 05 20:59:40 <lifewithryan> well...old things that is Sep 05 20:59:47 <Ek0nomik> what are you working on? Sep 05 21:00:00 <lifewithryan> more crap for one of my 8 to 5 clients... Sep 05 21:00:08 <Ek0nomik> ah. Sep 05 21:00:16 <Ek0nomik> where in Madison do you work? Sep 05 21:00:29 <lifewithryan> we wrote a system for them like 7 years ago...back before people really followed W3C standards...and now we're paying the price Sep 05 21:00:33 <lifewithryan> ...ouch... Sep 05 21:00:59 <Ek0nomik> what happened? Sep 05 21:01:06 <lifewithryan> a small consulting firm...used to be call Isthmus Group but we merged with another company and now we're call CCC (comprehensive computer consulting) Sep 05 21:01:26 <lifewithryan> ...ouch... = paying the price for not writing valid code in the first place Sep 05 21:01:27 <Ek0nomik> east side? Sep 05 21:01:32 <lifewithryan> yeah Sep 05 21:01:38 <lifewithryan> sun prarie actually Sep 05 21:02:02 <Ek0nomik> really? Sep 05 21:02:05 <Ek0nomik> I live in Sun Prairie. Sep 05 21:02:11 <Ek0nomik> well, my parents do, and I do when I come home. Sep 05 21:02:28 <lifewithryan> cool Sep 05 21:02:45 <Ek0nomik> where in Sun Prairie is it? Sep 05 21:03:18 <lifewithryan> 1500 W. Main St. Sep 05 21:03:23 <lifewithryan> suites 100 and 450 Sep 05 21:03:34 <lifewithryan> but i'm out working by the airport Sep 05 21:04:48 <Ek0nomik> what do you mean? Sep 05 21:05:09 <Ek0nomik> west main street... I've probably passed this place hundreds of times... Sep 05 21:05:24 <lifewithryan> i'm contracting at a client whose office is over by the airport Sep 05 21:05:28 <Ek0nomik> ah. Sep 05 21:05:35 <Ek0nomik> near Wal-Mart/Taco Bell/Cousins/Culvers? Sep 05 21:05:45 <lifewithryan> yeah Sep 05 21:05:45 <Ek0nomik> (the office) Sep 05 21:05:49 <Ek0nomik> small world. Sep 05 21:06:10 * rob-e (n=rob@gct-p1b-98.netnet.net) has joined #ubuntu-wisconsin Sep 05 21:06:17 <Ek0nomik> hey rob-e. Sep 05 21:06:19 <rob-e> am i late? Sep 05 21:06:25 <Ek0nomik> kinda. :P Sep 05 21:06:34 <rob-e> i just got home Sep 05 21:06:37 <lifewithryan> heh...well...i gotta get my work done, plus Top Chef is on Sep 05 21:06:37 <Ek0nomik> no worries man. Sep 05 21:06:49 <lifewithryan> so please continue and i'll read the notes later Sep 05 21:06:50 * hertelj1 (n=herteljt@CPE-67-48-251-23.new.res.rr.com) has joined #ubuntu-wisconsin Sep 05 21:06:57 <rob-e> so whatd i miss? Sep 05 21:07:07 <Ek0nomik> alright. take it easy ryan. Sep 05 21:07:12 <lifewithryan> if ya'll are still on later I'll check in Sep 05 21:07:13 <lifewithryan> later Sep 05 21:07:30 * lifewithryan is watching top chef...and working...bbl Sep 05 21:07:47 <Ek0nomik> ttyl. Sep 05 21:07:54 <Ek0nomik> rob-e: We were discussing a website mostly. Sep 05 21:08:08 <Ek0nomik> MethodOne, lifewithryan, and myself think we should have one. Sep 05 21:08:15 <rob-e> i think so too Sep 05 21:08:18 <Ek0nomik> lifewithryan can provide the hosting on a subdomain of some other site. Sep 05 21:08:39 <rob-e> sweet Sep 05 21:09:18 <hertelj1> hi all Sep 05 21:09:38 <rob-e> hey Sep 05 21:10:01 <Ek0nomik> hey hertel. Sep 05 21:10:13 <hertelj1> what kind of things are you thinking about putting on the site" Sep 05 21:10:15 <hertelj1> ? Sep 05 21:11:13 <Ek0nomik> <lifewithryan> cool...so far we've got UbuntuTeamWisconsin site would have links to the forums, the wiki, a sort of mission statement, event calendar, possible blog Sep 05 21:11:13 <Ek0nomik> <Ek0nomik> a "How to get started" page would be beneficial I think. Sep 05 21:11:13 <Ek0nomik> <Ek0nomik> basically laying out all the resources. Sep 05 21:11:13 <Ek0nomik> <lifewithryan> yeah Sep 05 21:11:13 <Ek0nomik> <Ek0nomik> and what we use them for. Sep 05 21:11:13 <Ek0nomik> <lifewithryan> very good Sep 05 21:11:29 <rob-e> yeah, are you gona go as far as forums or just kinda just info Sep 05 21:11:39 <Ek0nomik> blog/info. Sep 05 21:11:45 <rob-e> damn lag Sep 05 21:11:49 <Ek0nomik> could do forums, but it'd be redundant as we have forums on ubuntuforums. Sep 05 21:11:58 <hertelj1> a getting started page sounds like a good idea Sep 05 21:12:11 <hertelj1> maybe with links to loco members who could help Sep 05 21:12:31 <Ek0nomik> that's a good idea too. Sep 05 21:12:53 <hertelj1> I think an explanation of what an OS is would probably be helpful Sep 05 21:13:19 <hertelj1> I have found that most users who I talk to have no idea what Operating System means Sep 05 21:13:31 <rob-e> i think the sign-up process should be less confusing, i was a bit confused Sep 05 21:13:54 <rob-e> +1 Sep 05 21:13:55 <hertelj1> They are inclined to think computers come in two varieties Windows and Mac Sep 05 21:14:27 <MethodOne> do you mean os x instead of mac? Sep 05 21:14:34 <hertelj1> yes :) Sep 05 21:14:35 <hertelj1> sorry Sep 05 21:14:42 <Ek0nomik> indeed, that could be beneficial too. Sep 05 21:15:09 <rob-e> maybe an embedded irc chat thing to this channel Sep 05 21:15:24 <Ek0nomik> that's another good idea. Sep 05 21:15:29 <hertelj1> Would it beneficial to start a thread for "web page suggestions" Sep 05 21:16:38 <Ek0nomik> definitely. Sep 05 21:16:44 <Ek0nomik> I take it you're already on it? Sep 05 21:16:49 <hertelj1> :) Sep 05 21:16:57 <Ek0nomik> link me when you are done. Sep 05 21:16:59 <Ek0nomik> I'll sticky it. Sep 05 21:17:36 <hertelj1> nothing like showing up late and then pretending like I did all the talking Sep 05 21:17:38 <hertelj1> :) Sep 05 21:17:56 <rob-e> haha Sep 05 21:18:52 <rob-e> do any other states teams have websites we can get ideas from? Sep 05 21:19:14 <Ek0nomik> I imagine some must have one, we can check. Sep 05 21:19:28 <hertelj1> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=544067 Sep 05 21:20:37 <Ek0nomik> stickied. Sep 05 21:20:51 <hertelj1> Should I submit the ideas you pasted Sep 05 21:21:39 <Ek0nomik> I am right now. Sep 05 21:21:59 <rob-e> what happend to the other sticky? Sep 05 21:23:08 <Ek0nomik> the one about the first meeting? Sep 05 21:23:10 <Ek0nomik> I took it down. Sep 05 21:23:19 <Ek0nomik> I will post information about the second meeting later. Sep 05 21:23:43 <rob-e> o, yea that was it Sep 05 21:24:03 <hertelj1> Was there any discussion on the "Ideas for getting the word out" thread? Sep 05 21:24:27 <Ek0nomik> nope. Sep 05 21:24:30 <Ek0nomik> we didn't discuss it. Sep 05 21:25:03 <hertelj1> I thought there was some nice discussion Sep 05 21:25:07 <rob-e> http://ohio.ubuntu-us.org/ Sep 05 21:25:12 <rob-e> theres one Sep 05 21:25:31 <Ek0nomik> discussion where hert? Sep 05 21:26:03 <hertelj1> on the thread I mean :) Sep 05 21:26:24 <rob-e> should we steal the ubuntu layout like them? Sep 05 21:26:44 <hertelj1> brucewagner's last comment was good Sep 05 21:27:08 <hertelj1> I think a THREE PRONGED attack would be best... Sep 05 21:27:08 <hertelj1> ONE EVENT, on a regular basis (monthly?), which would offer three things: Sep 05 21:27:08 <hertelj1> (1) HANDS ON DEMOS to let me play with a working Ubuntu, Open Office, best of breed open source software, setup.... Sep 05 21:27:08 <hertelj1> (2) INSTALL CLINIC where users could even bring in their entire machineand have experienced geeks install it for them on the spot! * Sep 05 21:27:09 <hertelj1> (3) AFTER INSTALL SUPPORT LINE Sep 05 21:27:14 <Ek0nomik> rob-e: We might take some. Sep 05 21:27:57 <rob-e> yeah, idk if i digg it too much Sep 05 21:28:17 <hertelj1> I'm sure if it is feasible, but I liked his idea of trying to have a larger, continuing plan that includes an installfest but is not completely centered around one day Sep 05 21:28:34 <hertelj1> I meant to say I'm not sure if it is feasible Sep 05 21:29:04 <Ek0nomik> an install fest would be sweet, but location is the issue. Sep 05 21:29:31 <rob-e> yeah Sep 05 21:30:08 <rob-e> i think the installfests should occour regularly so people dot feel abanoned Sep 05 21:30:32 <hertelj1> I think one thing we really need is a nice letter that we can post or email to people which informs them about Ubuntu and some basic issues involved with installing it Sep 05 21:30:52 <hertelj1> I sent out an email last week to my school's classifieds trying to do just that Sep 05 21:31:08 <hertelj1> but I think it came off as a little to techie Sep 05 21:31:16 * Vorian has quit () Sep 05 21:31:39 <hertelj1> I'm going to make another thread about it, post my original and ask for suggestions Sep 05 21:32:21 <hertelj1> I'm not sure if you have ever tried explaining what Ubuntu is to a group of nonusers Sep 05 21:32:37 <Ek0nomik> I have. Sep 05 21:32:41 <hertelj1> but it can be difficult to do in a few words Sep 05 21:32:50 <Ek0nomik> I agree. Sep 05 21:32:52 <hertelj1> I often feel like I am preaching :) Sep 05 21:32:59 <Ek0nomik> where are you going to school again hertel? Sep 05 21:33:05 <hertelj1> an evangelical linux user Sep 05 21:33:13 <hertelj1> I am a teacher at Neenah High Sep 05 21:33:42 <hertelj1> south of Appleton Sep 05 21:33:51 <rob-e> i know where that is Sep 05 21:34:00 <rob-e> thats awesome Sep 05 21:34:19 <rob-e> i wish my teacher was a linux user Sep 05 21:34:35 <hertelj1> Teaching is awesome, but that is a whole different topic. :) Sep 05 21:34:53 <rob-e> yeah... Sep 05 21:35:14 <hertelj1> OT: One of the last days of school last year I went off on an opensource/linux tangent. I think I scared the class. Sep 05 21:35:24 <hertelj1> but I felt better Sep 05 21:35:27 <rob-e> haha Sep 05 21:35:32 <MethodOne> i am thinking of having an installfest for students and staff at lakeshore technical college in cleveland (north of sheboygan, south of manitowoc) Sep 05 21:35:52 <MethodOne> i can get help from the linux instructor Sep 05 21:36:09 <rob-e> if im not busy id be willing to drive 1.5 hrs proly to help Sep 05 21:36:12 <hertelj1> I would be glad to help out Sep 05 21:36:22 <MethodOne> i don't know when Sep 05 21:36:28 <MethodOne> just an idea Sep 05 21:36:50 <hertelj1> Well, if it fits into my schedule I'll make the drive over. Sep 05 21:37:36 <rob-e> so when we have one of these how will we advertise? Sep 05 21:37:38 <MethodOne> i'll contact the linux instructor if it's possible to do this Sep 05 21:38:07 <MethodOne> i'm not very good with graphics or explaining what ubuntu or linux is to a new user Sep 05 21:38:45 <Ek0nomik> I would potentially be up for making a drive over too. Sep 05 21:39:17 <hertelj1> It can be a real challenge to try and explain something and not drive people away because they think it is too complicated. Sep 05 21:39:22 <lifewithryan> could possibly make that drive as well... Sep 05 21:39:28 * lifewithryan is back for a quick moment Sep 05 21:41:16 <Ek0nomik> heh. Sep 05 21:41:19 <lifewithryan> woohoo it validates! Sep 05 21:41:25 <Ek0nomik> MethodOne: you should keep us posted on this. :) Sep 05 21:41:30 <MethodOne> ok Sep 05 21:41:36 <MethodOne> i'll do so on the mailing list Sep 05 21:41:43 <Ek0nomik> how many students there? Sep 05 21:41:53 <MethodOne> i don't know Sep 05 21:42:12 <Ek0nomik> you know, with the amount of people here willing to help (method, rob-e, hertel, ryan), I might think about having one on the UW Eau Claire campus. Sep 05 21:42:33 <Ek0nomik> I'm not sure where I would host it though Sep 05 21:42:41 <lifewithryan> and UW Madison :) Sep 05 21:42:54 <hertelj1> That might be fun, my wife would enjoy coming up to see some old friends. Sep 05 21:42:57 <lifewithryan> well back out for a bit Sep 05 21:43:04 * lifewithryan is gone yet again Sep 05 21:43:40 <rob-e> maybe we should think outside schools, maybe like a computer store or something Sep 05 21:44:18 <hertelj1> I'm not sure if any of you listen to podcasts much, but I have been listening to a great one that is wonderful for beginning users http://www.linuxreality.com/ Sep 05 21:44:49 <hertelj1> The host is knowledgeable and entertaining Sep 05 21:45:16 <hertelj1> I think it is another great resource for helping people understand what linux is, what ubuntu is, etc Sep 05 21:46:39 <rob-e> i just had a thought, does ubuntu have a phrase? like walmarts "always low prices" Sep 05 21:46:55 <Ek0nomik> humanity to others is the meaning of Ubuntu I believe. Sep 05 21:46:58 <rob-e> i used to listen to podcasts Sep 05 21:47:13 <rob-e> yeah, but it sucks ass Sep 05 21:47:31 <Ek0nomik> I like it. :) Sep 05 21:48:18 <rob-e> i mean it should be something like "the non microsuck free, secure, OS" Sep 05 21:48:45 <Ek0nomik> I disagree. :P Sep 05 21:49:42 <rob-e> well people see "humanity to others" and think o great what the hell does that mean? Sep 05 21:49:53 <rob-e> -? Sep 05 21:49:59 <hertelj1> Ubuntu is independent of the Microsoft machine Sep 05 21:50:07 <hertelj1> it isn't an us vs. them Sep 05 21:50:45 <rob-e> but isnt it hertljl? isnt it? Sep 05 21:50:52 <hertelj1> I look at it like trying to get people to buy local food or practice conservation Sep 05 21:51:10 <hertelj1> it is about choices Sep 05 21:51:34 <hertelj1> I think if people understand the possibilities they will be able to make choices that make sense Sep 05 21:51:47 <hertelj1> People use windows because it is all they know Sep 05 21:52:16 <hertelj1> Maybe if they know about Ubuntu, PCLinuxOS, OpenSuse, etc Sep 05 21:52:21 <hertelj1> they will use them instead Sep 05 21:52:29 <MethodOne> it would be a good idea to not use the phrases "open source" or "gnu/linux" so people less knowledgeable about computers won't get confused. those people might not be interested in the source code of the apps on the discs or the repository Sep 05 21:53:02 <hertelj1> I know exactly what you mean MethodOne Sep 05 21:53:05 <Ek0nomik> I somewhat agree... on the other hand understanding what open source software is about can be powerful in itself. Sep 05 21:53:14 <Ek0nomik> that philosophy is what attracted me to linux to begin with. Sep 05 21:53:20 <hertelj1> my problem in writing the letter I sent was that I did know how far I could break it down Sep 05 21:53:50 <hertelj1> at some point you have to talk about opensource Sep 05 21:54:04 <MethodOne> ok Sep 05 21:54:10 <rob-e> "linux is no longer just for geeks" Sep 05 21:54:16 <hertelj1> :) Sep 05 21:54:19 <MethodOne> good Sep 05 21:54:40 <hertelj1> That would be a funny bumper sticker Sep 05 21:54:55 <hertelj1> well, to about 10% of the population anyway Sep 05 21:58:02 <Ek0nomik> I need a linux bumper sticker. Sep 05 21:58:54 <rob-e> there we go guys, the next great idea Sep 05 21:59:31 <hertelj1> I ordered free CD from canonical and they sent me four free stickers Sep 05 22:00:13 <hertelj1> They say: Ubuntu - Linux for human beings Sep 05 22:00:26 <hertelj1> Not exactly bumper sticker material Sep 05 22:00:35 <Ek0nomik> yeah, I have those too. Sep 05 22:00:39 <Ek0nomik> I put one on my laptop. Sep 05 22:00:43 <MethodOne> me too Sep 05 22:00:57 <rob-e> i want one... sob Sep 05 22:01:26 <hertelj1> Just order a free cd Sep 05 22:01:34 <rob-e> but i dont need 1 Sep 05 22:01:37 <hertelj1> and in a month (or two) they will arrive Sep 05 22:01:49 <hertelj1> give it as a gift to someone who will use it Sep 05 22:02:36 <rob-e> okay, did neone ever install from a flash drive? Sep 05 22:02:41 <rob-e> is it faster? Sep 05 22:02:59 <Ek0nomik> well, I have some things I need to take care of still tonight. Sep 05 22:03:11 <MethodOne> you can order a pack of 20 for $40 at shop.canonical.com. it's probably faster that way Sep 05 22:03:23 <Ek0nomik> I will update the Wiki/Forum about the second meeting later tonight. Sep 05 22:03:36 <Ek0nomik> I'll keep logging incase you guys shoot more ideas around. Sep 05 22:03:45 <rob-e> okay c ya Sep 05 22:03:46 <hertelj1> alright, nice chatting with you Sep 05 22:03:59 <Ek0nomik> you too, it was good to talk with you guys again. Sep 05 22:04:04 <rob-e> yep Sep 05 22:04:18 <Ek0nomik> I'll be on the forum more now that I am settled back at school again. :P Sep 05 22:09:34 <rob-e> u guys see the linux ati driver http://linux.slashdot.org/linux/07/09/05/1328225.shtml Sep 05 22:10:06 <rob-e> i know what graphics card im getting in my next box Sep 05 22:12:11 <MethodOne> now i don't have to worry about graphics performance on the current imacs (they have ati chips) Sep 05 22:12:20 <MethodOne> in linux Sep 05 22:12:26 <rob-e> yeah Sep 05 22:12:40 <hertelj1> I can't say I am a super hardware guy, but it is good to see the shift in focus towards linux Sep 05 22:13:22 <rob-e> yeah, now hopefully the competators will have to do the same to not loose business Sep 05 22:16:10 <hertelj1> I'm going to sign off, it was nice chatting with you all. Sep 05 22:16:22 <rob-e> k Sep 05 22:16:26 <rob-e> ttyl Sep 05 22:16:50 * hertelj1 (n=herteljt@CPE-67-48-251-23.new.res.rr.com) has left #ubuntu-wisconsin Sep 05 22:19:14 <rob-e> sooooooo Sep 05 22:19:21 <Ek0nomik> so. :) Sep 05 22:19:30 <lifewithryan> back again for a few Sep 05 22:20:17 <rob-e> whats next on the agenda? Sep 05 22:20:25 <lifewithryan> for a saying how about Ubuntu, it does porn too? Sep 05 22:20:28 <lifewithryan> *kidding* Sep 05 22:20:40 <Ek0nomik> don't joke about that. Sep 05 22:20:41 <Ek0nomik> ;) Sep 05 22:20:55 <Ek0nomik> rob-e: I think our agenda is clean for the evening. Sep 05 22:21:02 <Ek0nomik> We'll have another meeting in 2 weeks. Sep 05 22:21:43 <rob-e> do we even have a written agenda? Sep 05 22:21:59 <lifewithryan> i don't think we had one for this week did we? Sep 05 22:22:01 <Ek0nomik> we did for the first meeting. Sep 05 22:22:05 <Ek0nomik> this week was kinda random. Sep 05 22:22:22 <Ek0nomik> it was worthwhile though. Sep 05 22:22:26 <lifewithryan> we have a start for one next week: pick a person/team to head up getting a website going Sep 05 22:22:49 <Ek0nomik> agreed. Sep 05 22:22:53 <MethodOne> ok Sep 05 22:23:07 <rob-e> ya Sep 05 22:23:14 <lifewithryan> as always more ideas for spreading the word Sep 05 22:24:53 <lifewithryan> perhaps we should also start creating "screencasts" of frequently asked questions on the different newbie forums Sep 05 22:25:08 <lifewithryan> and host them on the website as well Sep 05 22:25:17 <rob-e> i like that Sep 05 22:25:48 <rob-e> but it would have to be for things too complicated to easily explain, and relitevly common Sep 05 22:25:49 <lifewithryan> also, i'm a big fan of the command line...most ppl are afraid to go there Sep 05 22:26:16 <rob-e> perhaps a first time user video showing them around too Sep 05 22:26:23 <lifewithryan> i agree rob, however with some folks just seeing it would be so much more help. Sep 05 22:26:47 <rob-e> ya Sep 05 22:26:53 <lifewithryan> no matter how easy...plus its the added advantage of letting a newbie "poke around" without having to "poke around" Sep 05 22:26:56 <lifewithryan> if you follow me Sep 05 22:27:36 <lifewithryan> the first person i introduced to linux wasn't interested until he saw it for the first time...he said "THIS is LINUX?!?" Sep 05 22:27:41 <lifewithryan> he hasnt' looked back since Sep 05 22:27:47 <rob-e> yeah Sep 05 22:27:51 <rob-e> i agree Sep 05 22:27:56 <lifewithryan> just a thought Sep 05 22:28:09 <lifewithryan> i have them sometimes ;) Sep 05 22:28:12 <rob-e> people think it looks like windows 95 Sep 05 22:28:20 <rob-e> i used to neways Sep 05 22:28:26 <lifewithryan> heh, yeah i heard that before Sep 05 22:28:32 <rob-e> before i saw the light Sep 05 22:28:56 <lifewithryan> but any OS with the "Desktop" approach is going to look like that Sep 05 22:29:06 <rob-e> and espically with gutsy having beryl type things by default... people will drool all over Sep 05 22:29:07 <lifewithryan> (well OSX has done some pretty innovative things) Sep 05 22:29:21 <lifewithryan> *sigh* dancing hippos again ;) Sep 05 22:29:39 <rob-e> ... Sep 05 22:29:50 <lifewithryan> sorry rob, from an eariler conversation Sep 05 22:30:01 <rob-e> ohh Sep 05 22:30:25 <lifewithryan> and was more web-design related, not OS related Sep 05 22:31:03 <lifewithryan> but in all honesty, yea the eye candy is cool but its just that...eye candy Sep 05 22:31:20 <lifewithryan> the stuff I use is the window transparency and the expose effect... Sep 05 22:31:28 <lifewithryan> that's really about it... Sep 05 22:32:08 <rob-e> dont you read lifehacker... they say it makes you more productive, having 4 vrtual desktops in a cube Sep 05 22:32:14 <lifewithryan> don't get me wrong...i love it Sep 05 22:32:37 <lifewithryan> i don't see how having them on a cube makes me more productive than just clicking to go to that workspace Sep 05 22:32:53 <lifewithryan> ctrl + alt + arrow key Sep 05 22:32:56 <rob-e> yeam +1 Sep 05 22:33:35 <lifewithryan> the transparency however...being able to debug code in one app while watching log messages in a terminal window behind that app...man...thats useful Sep 05 22:33:36 <rob-e> but the thing is it sells (for free)... my sister only installed it for beryl to show off to friends, now, 2 months later shes teaching me things Sep 05 22:33:56 <lifewithryan> lol...yeah its a good interest grabber thats for sure Sep 05 22:34:01 <rob-e> yeah Sep 05 22:34:15 <lifewithryan> (my dancing hippos analogy) the client will always choose "dancing hippos" over a rich feature set Sep 05 22:34:29 <rob-e> anyhoooooooooooo we SHOULD have video tuts Sep 05 22:34:39 <rob-e> haha Sep 05 22:34:39 <lifewithryan> totally agree Sep 05 22:35:24 <lifewithryan> oh and back to the command line...how does everyone here feel about using it? hate it? love it? etc? Sep 05 22:35:46 <rob-e> love it for doing everything cept running programs Sep 05 22:35:59 <lifewithryan> same here... Sep 05 22:36:05 <rob-e> although technically thats all it mosty does Sep 05 22:36:20 <lifewithryan> i love bash scripts, and sed, awk, grep, find etc Sep 05 22:36:29 <lifewithryan> some powerful shiznitikus there Sep 05 22:36:42 <rob-e> yep, sadly im a termnal noob Sep 05 22:36:49 * uberushaximus (n=uberusha@68-114-243-20.dhcp.fdul.wi.charter.com) has joined #ubuntu-wisconsin Sep 05 22:36:56 <lifewithryan> i use some form of "for blah in something do" everyday Sep 05 22:37:04 <MethodOne> i don't do very well with bash scripting. Sep 05 22:37:19 <lifewithryan> man...i highly recommend getting to learn it Sep 05 22:37:32 <lifewithryan> and learn vi or emacs too Sep 05 22:37:43 <lifewithryan> i love vi Sep 05 22:37:56 <MethodOne> i know stuff about vi, but not about emacs Sep 05 22:38:15 <lifewithryan> same here, i'd say i'm a power user with vi...rarely use emacs Sep 05 22:38:41 <lifewithryan> unles someone at work forgets to EXPORT EDITOR=vi for everyone's profile Sep 05 22:38:54 <lifewithryan> (but thats more a solaris thing I think) Sep 05 22:39:12 <lifewithryan> perhaps its Ubuntu's default as well but i've changed it on my system Sep 05 22:39:46 <lifewithryan> hey uber...you in fon du lac? Sep 05 22:40:18 <uberushaximus> my IP is, however no Sep 05 22:40:25 <lifewithryan> ahh...just wondering Sep 05 22:40:34 <uberushaximus> richfield Sep 05 22:40:46 <lifewithryan> gotcha...just wondering Sep 05 22:40:49 <uberushaximus> extremely greater Milwaukee Sep 05 22:41:07 <lifewithryan> not sure where that is Sep 05 22:41:12 <lifewithryan> i know where Cedarburg is Sep 05 22:41:15 <lifewithryan> lol Sep 05 22:41:40 <lifewithryan> thats north of there Sep 05 22:41:50 <lifewithryan> er north of mke Sep 05 22:42:02 <uberushaximus> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richfield%2C_Washington_County%2C_Wisconsin Sep 05 22:42:06 * lifewithryan is too lazy to google map right now Sep 05 22:42:10 <lifewithryan> ahh...thanks Sep 05 22:42:24 <uberushaximus> ffs Sep 05 22:42:25 <uberushaximus> In the town the population was spread out with 26.6% under the age of 18, 6.1% from 18 to 24, 29.1% from 25 to 44, 30.1% from 45 to 64, and 8.1% who were 65 years of age or older. The median age was 39 years. For every 100 females there were 106.6 males. For every 100 females age 18 and over, there were 104.6 males. Sep 05 22:42:29 <uberushaximus> sausage party Sep 05 22:42:53 <lifewithryan> lol Sep 05 22:43:12 <lifewithryan> heh, in Madison...those numbers wouldn't matter...lol Sep 05 22:43:23 <uberushaximus> then again, my heart is out of state Sep 05 22:43:26 <uberushaximus> :x Sep 05 22:43:57 <uberushaximus> I can't even concentrate in class Sep 05 22:44:05 <uberushaximus> blaaaah Sep 05 22:44:07 <lifewithryan> why is that Sep 05 22:44:27 <uberushaximus> thinking about someone Sep 05 22:44:37 <uberushaximus> like, 24/7 Sep 05 22:46:51 <lifewithryan> ahhh...are you in love my man? Sep 05 22:47:00 <uberushaximus> you might say that Sep 05 22:47:29 <lifewithryan> sweet...good luck with that :) Sep 05 22:47:37 <uberushaximus> also, sorry about my lack of presence tonight Sep 05 22:47:48 <uberushaximus> we didn't have a meeting, did we? Sep 05 22:47:49 <lifewithryan> no worries...hardly anyone here tonight Sep 05 22:48:02 <uberushaximus> it was meeting night after all >_> Sep 05 22:48:02 <lifewithryan> it was sort of /dev/random if you know what I mean Sep 05 22:48:32 <rob-e> ~ = noone Sep 05 22:48:48 <rob-e> hehe linux jukes time Sep 05 22:49:09 <rob-e> jukes=jokes Sep 05 22:49:14 <lifewithryan> basically we just talked about the need or lack of need for a website, what sorta stuff to put on one, and more ideas of getting the word out Sep 05 22:49:50 <uberushaximus> I should talk to jacobmp92 or Ek0nomik for a server Sep 05 22:50:08 <lifewithryan> i can host it i think Sep 05 22:52:37 <lifewithryan> the question is, do we register a new domain name or just piggy back it somewhere? if we register a new one, we have to decide who/how to pay for it etc. Sep 05 22:52:56 <lifewithryan> i've offered to host it for free Sep 05 22:53:08 <uberushaximus> I've already had offers Sep 05 22:53:08 <lifewithryan> as long as it doesn't get too busy or something Sep 05 22:53:19 <uberushaximus> I have to see has the best bandwidth Sep 05 22:53:26 <lifewithryan> oh sweet...whatcha got? Sep 05 22:53:37 <MethodOne> i have 3Mbps Sep 05 22:53:51 <MethodOne> dsl from tds telecom Sep 05 22:53:56 <uberushaximus> bleh Sep 05 22:54:06 <uberushaximus> that's residential Sep 05 22:54:10 <lifewithryan> well i resell hosting so my servers are at a colo in orlando Sep 05 22:54:25 <uberushaximus> and 3 mbps max down you mean ;) Sep 05 22:54:29 <MethodOne> ok Sep 05 22:54:37 <lifewithryan> though i must say they're not as fast as i'd like to see them be Sep 05 22:54:47 <MethodOne> sorry Sep 05 22:54:50 <lifewithryan> then again, how much bandwidth are we anticipating? Sep 05 22:55:08 <uberushaximus> well, I don't really know Sep 05 22:55:19 <uberushaximus> it'd be nice to get a little traffic Sep 05 22:55:19 <rob-e> ok guys ill see ya i got work tommorow Sep 05 22:55:24 <lifewithryan> later rob Sep 05 22:55:31 <rob-e> yep Sep 05 22:55:34 <rob-e> bi Sep 05 22:55:36 * rob-e has quit ("Leaving") Sep 05 22:57:07 <lifewithryan> sure would be nice to get traffic Sep 05 22:57:22 <lifewithryan> but then again, we're not trying to replace Ubuntu.com or the forums with this thing right? Sep 05 22:57:42 <lifewithryan> but hell, if you've got a place to host with good bandwidth and free...guess ya can't beat that Sep 05 22:57:42 <MethodOne> i have to go Sep 05 22:57:52 <MethodOne> bye Sep 05 22:57:53 <lifewithryan> later mo Sep 05 22:57:54 <uberushaximus> no, it's simply a portal with possibly a team news blog Sep 05 22:57:59 <lifewithryan> right Sep 05 22:58:00 * MethodOne has quit ("Leaving") Sep 05 22:58:03 <uberushaximus> in my theory Sep 05 22:58:07 <lifewithryan> thats what i was saying earlier too Sep 05 22:58:13 <lifewithryan> so i think we're on the same page there Sep 05 22:59:45 <lifewithryan> i could see us hosting some possible screencast tutorials on there too....eventually Sep 05 23:00:17 <lifewithryan> so *that* would be a bandwidth hog potentially Sep 05 23:02:41 <lifewithryan> well, i gotta crash too...work tomorrow....night man}}} |
'''Log''': {{{Aug 22 19:58:48 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Hey Doctor. :) Aug 22 19:58:49 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea i read thro it all Aug 22 19:58:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I figured we can give it 2 more minutes. Aug 22 19:59:00 <herteljt> are any of you near south western wi? Aug 22 19:59:01 <Th3_D0ct0R> hey ekonomic Aug 22 19:59:09 <herteljt> terrible with all the flooding Aug 22 19:59:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I thought uber was going to make it so I want to give him a few minutes. Aug 22 19:59:11 <Th3_D0ct0R> na im up here in the northern part Aug 22 19:59:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> hert: Madison. Aug 22 19:59:20 <Th3_D0ct0R> its only 8 Aug 22 19:59:28 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> A lot of our neighbors have had flooding. Aug 22 19:59:33 <herteljt> I heard that a few people were killed in madison today Aug 22 19:59:41 <herteljt> lighting hitting water Aug 22 19:59:43 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yep. Aug 22 19:59:49 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think it was a poll actually. Aug 22 19:59:52 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> that fell into the water. Aug 22 20:00:05 <Th3_D0ct0R> wow that sucks Aug 22 20:00:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: you around? Aug 22 20:00:18 <uberushaximus> yup Aug 22 20:00:23 <uberushaximus> Greetings Aug 22 20:00:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> excellent. Aug 22 20:00:28 <uberushaximus> Welcome to our first meeting Aug 22 20:00:38 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Anyone know who Mike Putnam is? He added himself to the Wiki. Aug 22 20:00:41 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I was just wondering who he was. Aug 22 20:00:44 <herteljt> Glad to be here Aug 22 20:01:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Well, I have a rather lax agenda for us to discuss: Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Regular Meeting Time Scheduling Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Wisconsin Wiki Discussion Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Website & Launchpad Ideas Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Project Ideas in Wisconsin Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Mailing List Ideas/Management Aug 22 20:01:36 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> So, we can begin withh 1: Regular Meeting Time. Aug 22 20:01:49 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Anyone think it will be possible for our group of people here? Aug 22 20:01:49 <uberushaximus> I can't necessarily make /every/ meeting, as I have a job Aug 22 20:01:58 <Th3_D0ct0R> umm a sec i gotta go nuke my food but ill be back Aug 22 20:02:06 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol, alright d0ct0R. :) Aug 22 20:02:12 <Th3_D0ct0R> jutalkin ill come back into the convo when im ready Aug 22 20:02:30 <herteljt> Evenings work best for me Aug 22 20:02:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uber: That's fine, I was just thinking a regular time for at least 3 people to be present. Aug 22 20:02:51 <herteljt> Tuesday is the only evening that won't work regularly Aug 22 20:02:52 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> herteljt: Same here, I will have lectures starting September 4. Aug 22 20:03:09 <uberushaximus> so that rules out tuesday Aug 22 20:03:20 <herteljt> Wednesday is good Aug 22 20:03:30 <MethodOne> that's good Aug 22 20:03:37 <herteljt> a nice middle of the week day Aug 22 20:04:13 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Wednesday will work for me too. Aug 22 20:04:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I have lab until 4:45, but that seems early enough anyways. Aug 22 20:04:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Wedneday nights? Aug 22 20:04:32 <uberushaximus> it worked this week Aug 22 20:05:11 <herteljt> When I was in college Wednesday evenings was the best day for meetings that is why I suggested it Aug 22 20:05:34 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> It will definitely work for me. Aug 22 20:05:43 <herteljt> Let's say Wednesday 8pm Aug 22 20:05:55 <MethodOne> ok Aug 22 20:05:56 <herteljt> as our #1 choice Aug 22 20:06:02 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think that should be fine. Let's just see what D0ct0R says. Aug 22 20:06:05 <uberushaximus> any objections? Aug 22 20:06:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Once more thing on the meeting topic... how many times a month? Aug 22 20:06:22 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> once, twice? Aug 22 20:06:42 <uberushaximus> why not bi or quadmonthly? Aug 22 20:06:53 <herteljt> it depends on what we are doing Aug 22 20:07:36 <herteljt> one advantage our little group has is that we have a message board which is checked regularly Aug 22 20:07:54 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> definitely. Aug 22 20:08:07 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I check it once a day at least. Aug 22 20:08:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: You think twice a month? Aug 22 20:08:50 <uberushaximus> twice does seem more than enough for our priorities Aug 22 20:08:53 <uberushaximus> so sure Aug 22 20:09:00 <Th3_D0ct0R> i have church choir till 730-ish and then theres always socializing til like 745 so i should be able to make it at 8 maybe a lil later Aug 22 20:09:01 <herteljt> I would agree Aug 22 20:09:16 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I agree, I think twice could possibly even be more than enough for us. Aug 22 20:09:28 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I don't think our agenda would always be as large as this one. Aug 22 20:09:42 <herteljt> if anything regular meetings will keep us honest Aug 22 20:09:54 <herteljt> and on top of our resonsibilities Aug 22 20:09:59 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea something to chekc up on our prgress Aug 22 20:10:01 <herteljt> responsibilities Aug 22 20:10:11 <sgtd> Wednesday @ 8:00pm works for me too. Aug 22 20:10:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> hey sgtd. :) Aug 22 20:10:28 <sgtd> howdy Ek0nomik|Laptop , all. Aug 22 20:10:30 <herteljt> is someone acting as a recorder? Aug 22 20:10:33 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah. Aug 22 20:10:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I am logging. Aug 22 20:10:38 <herteljt> k Aug 22 20:10:41 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I will update the Wiki later tonight too. Aug 22 20:10:57 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> So, twice a month seems good for everyone? Aug 22 20:11:05 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea Aug 22 20:11:10 <MethodOne> ok Aug 22 20:11:15 <herteljt> sounds good Aug 22 20:11:46 * hoosfoos checks in Aug 22 20:11:50 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> alright. Aug 22 20:12:01 <herteljt> so the next scheduled meeting will be September 5th Aug 22 20:12:16 <herteljt> at 8pm Aug 22 20:12:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I'll put a reminder in my phone. :) Aug 22 20:12:23 <Th3_D0ct0R> second day of school fo me Aug 22 20:12:34 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Second day for everyone in Wisconsin I think. Aug 22 20:12:45 <herteljt> yes, our legislature made sure of that Aug 22 20:12:51 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> so our kids can work at the Dells. Aug 22 20:12:54 <herteljt> the private schools can start early Aug 22 20:12:58 <Th3_D0ct0R> oh yea :) Aug 22 20:13:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I wish I could get the Soup Nazi to say "Next!" after we finish every item on our agenda. Aug 22 20:13:32 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Wisconsin Wiki Discussion * Aug 22 20:13:42 <uberushaximus> good episode Aug 22 20:13:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I reworked the Wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WisconsinTeam - if you haven't seen it) Aug 22 20:14:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I have uberushaximus and myself on the Member list. Any of you can add yourself at any time if you wish. Aug 22 20:15:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I don't know if any of you thought additional pages should be create, or something changed. Aug 22 20:15:23 <Th3_D0ct0R> it lookes good Aug 22 20:15:48 <herteljt> clean and simple Aug 22 20:15:51 <uberushaximus> that it does Aug 22 20:16:07 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> If anything comes to mind, just shoot me a message or clean up any messy errors I made. :) Aug 22 20:16:13 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> or just create a page if you wish. Aug 22 20:16:19 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea alrighty Aug 22 20:16:53 <uberushaximus> NEXT! Aug 22 20:16:58 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol. Aug 22 20:16:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Website & Launchpad Ideas * Aug 22 20:17:13 * Ek0nomik|Laptop personally doesn't use Launchpad very often at all. Aug 22 20:17:24 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> A website could be worthwhile though. Aug 22 20:17:30 * uberushaximus used to but has been drawn away from it Aug 22 20:17:37 * uberushaximus realizes he has a hat on Aug 22 20:17:52 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> life aquatic style? Aug 22 20:17:54 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> :P Aug 22 20:17:58 <herteljt> My questions would be: Aug 22 20:17:59 * uberushaximus is easily distracted Aug 22 20:18:05 <herteljt> 1) what is on the site? Aug 22 20:18:11 <herteljt> 2) who maintains the site? Aug 22 20:18:27 <uberushaximus> Ek0nomik already suggested to maintain Aug 22 20:18:41 <uberushaximus> did you not? Aug 22 20:19:04 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> herteljt: Honestly, I think #1 would be very similar to the Wiki. It would just look nicer. Aug 22 20:19:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> 2: I am looking for VERY low maintenance if we were to have one. Aug 22 20:19:20 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea and we could and a bunch of nifty little touches Aug 22 20:19:38 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I can maintain it, but keeping that in mind, I would keep everything VERY simple. Aug 22 20:19:43 <herteljt> Would it be for communication with people outside the group? Aug 22 20:19:51 <Th3_D0ct0R> yes and no Aug 22 20:19:53 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I would use Wordpress for "blogging" (updated), and then just throw a design together. Aug 22 20:19:58 <sgtd> could it be stated that wiki is for LoCo Team stuffs and Lanchpad site is primarily to attract/engage new Ubuntu users? Aug 22 20:20:00 <uberushaximus> why not be a portal newsblog? Aug 22 20:20:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: You are saying the website could be a news blog? Aug 22 20:20:50 <uberushaximus> mhmm Aug 22 20:20:53 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sgtd: Do you think Launchpad makes for a good initial greeting to the group? Aug 22 20:20:57 * zombiechick wonders why there is a need for a distro-specific advocacy group... Aug 22 20:21:02 <uberushaximus> similar to planet.pidgin.im Aug 22 20:21:11 <sgtd> With Forums/Wiki/and Lanchpad, I forsee an unhealthy spread of un-updated resources. Aug 22 20:21:24 <sgtd> zombiechick: why not? Aug 22 20:21:47 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> zombiechick: You have an odd channel choice then. :) Aug 22 20:21:52 <zombiechick> sgtd: I have been an avocate of most distro's at one time or another... Aug 22 20:21:53 <sgtd> Linux! With a bias! Aug 22 20:21:55 <herteljt> zombiechick: Everyone has to start somewhere Aug 22 20:22:07 <herteljt> what a strange comment Aug 22 20:22:09 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sgtd: I absolutely agree, and that's why I am saying very low maintenance. Aug 22 20:22:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> The website would need to be *easy* to update. Aug 22 20:22:46 <herteljt> a blog would work nicely Aug 22 20:22:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I have setup my own blog w/ Wordpress. Aug 22 20:22:55 <zombiechick> I just wonder if all this energy would be better put into a distro-neutral Linux advocacy group Aug 22 20:23:15 <sgtd> Perhaps we could step back and assert what this LoCo is all about. Evangelize? Socialize? etc? Aug 22 20:23:16 * zombiechick will shut up now.. Aug 22 20:23:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> zombiechick: Getting someone interested in a single distro is enough to push them to another. Aug 22 20:23:33 <herteljt> I agree that is the point of the group Aug 22 20:23:44 <herteljt> try ubuntu and if you like it try something else Aug 22 20:24:22 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sgtd: The purpose of the LoCo is advocation and socialization imo. Aug 22 20:24:31 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Advocate while having fun. Aug 22 20:24:40 <herteljt> I think advocate Aug 22 20:25:14 * zombiechick is now known as zombiechick-here Aug 22 20:25:24 * zombiechick-here is now known as hereti1 Aug 22 20:25:35 <sgtd> i see my "membership" as an evangelical one, the social part will follow anyway. Aug 22 20:25:36 <hereti1> rofl... Aug 22 20:25:54 <herteljt> I also think evangelical Aug 22 20:26:04 <herteljt> but I don't see myself "pushing" others into it Aug 22 20:26:08 <uberushaximus> I think pushing ease of use and easy migration is a must Aug 22 20:26:12 * hereti1 is now known as zombiechick Aug 22 20:26:16 * Ek0nomik|Laptop agrees with uber. Aug 22 20:26:16 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea Aug 22 20:26:20 <herteljt> although I did change my mother's pc over Aug 22 20:26:24 <sgtd> !pushing, rather "making aware" Aug 22 20:26:33 <sgtd> My wife runs Ubuntu. Aug 22 20:26:50 <sgtd> My kids run Ubuntu (when they don't want to play Win-only games) Aug 22 20:26:56 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> My roomates now run Ubuntu, and my girlfriend will soon as well. Aug 22 20:27:05 <sgtd> I run Ubuntu for casual-use laptops Aug 22 20:27:44 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> primary distro? Aug 22 20:27:54 <herteljt> what were were talking about? Aug 22 20:27:56 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Ok, so, shall we put the website discussion off for another time? Aug 22 20:28:11 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> let the idea get chewed on a bit for the next meeting? Aug 22 20:28:18 <MethodOne> ok Aug 22 20:28:19 <sgtd> Whether or not advocacy is the primary goal of the LoCo, I would vote that the Launchpad be used primarily for that. Aug 22 20:28:52 <herteljt> yes, let's put it off for the next meeting Aug 22 20:29:16 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Project Ideas in Wisconsin * Aug 22 20:29:23 <sgtd> and the wiki for "Team" stuff. a la "point gramma to Launchpad, point techno-buddies interested in participating to wiki" Aug 22 20:30:15 <Th3_D0ct0R> what have other loco groups done? Aug 22 20:30:25 <sgtd> <shrug> Aug 22 20:30:31 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> many have websites if I am not mistaken. Aug 22 20:30:34 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> and launchpad as well. Aug 22 20:30:59 <Th3_D0ct0R> so they just encourage ppl to use ubuntu/linux? Aug 22 20:31:00 <sgtd> I can offer a subdomain of wisconsinlinux.org to the group. Aug 22 20:31:20 <sgtd> Th3_D0ct0R: but with Local relavence. Aug 22 20:31:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sgtd: Thanks for the offer. :) I think we should just chew on the idea for now. Aug 22 20:31:46 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> we can discuss the website more at the next meeting. Aug 22 20:31:52 <sgtd> <tabled> Aug 22 20:32:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus has control over the Launchpad. Aug 22 20:32:15 <herteljt> I agree with the gentlemen from wisconsin Aug 22 20:32:24 <uberushaximus> is there any changes needed? Aug 22 20:32:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Just a photo I think. Aug 22 20:33:05 <uberushaximus> of? Aug 22 20:33:07 <uberushaximus> the logo? Aug 22 20:33:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sure. Aug 22 20:33:30 <sgtd> herteljt: olz Aug 22 20:34:02 <herteljt> olz? Aug 22 20:34:11 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Does anyone have any initial project ideas for us to think about? Aug 22 20:34:15 <sgtd> multiple lol's perhaps Aug 22 20:34:24 <herteljt> oh :) Aug 22 20:34:51 <herteljt> here is one I had Aug 22 20:34:58 <herteljt> a setup day of some sort Aug 22 20:35:09 <sgtd> an installfest? Aug 22 20:35:13 <herteljt> yep Aug 22 20:35:26 <MethodOne> that would be good Aug 22 20:35:32 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yes, yes it would. Aug 22 20:35:47 <sgtd> could we leverage any regional LUG's? Aug 22 20:35:48 <herteljt> maybe we could advertise at different places and help people setup systems Aug 22 20:35:51 <uberushaximus> sgtd: would you be interested in seeing if we can work that into the wilug installfest? Aug 22 20:36:14 <sgtd> !wilug!! is having an installfest?! Aug 22 20:36:31 <uberushaximus> I assumed they would? Aug 22 20:36:33 <uberushaximus> :/ Aug 22 20:37:06 <sgtd> #wilug is very geographically diverse. Aug 22 20:37:15 <uberushaximus> are we not? Aug 22 20:37:35 <sgtd> yes. but #wilug hasn't done an installfest either Aug 22 20:37:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I don't think we can get any conclusions out of this yet. We need to communicate more with other LUG's in WI to set this up. Aug 22 20:38:04 <herteljt> should we contact wilug and maybe a few other lugs in wisconsin? Aug 22 20:38:23 <sgtd> yes. Aug 22 20:38:41 <herteljt> http://www.newlug.org/index.php/Main_Page#Linux_Links Aug 22 20:38:46 <herteljt> that is newlug Aug 22 20:38:53 <sgtd> I think existing LUGS may think it a bit of a waste of time. Aug 22 20:38:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah, we need to discuss with other LUG's more. Aug 22 20:38:57 <herteljt> north eastern wisconsin Aug 22 20:39:08 <sgtd> it would be tricky to get buy-in without being dismissed. Aug 22 20:39:26 <uberushaximus> launchpad logo'd Aug 22 20:39:28 <sgtd> http://wisconsinlinux.org has pretty full list of the groups in WI. Aug 22 20:39:35 <uberushaximus> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-wisconsin Aug 22 20:40:23 <herteljt> well, how about this Aug 22 20:40:23 <sgtd> regardless, a healthy relationship with local LUG's can only be good. Aug 22 20:40:32 <herteljt> we plan an install fest Aug 22 20:40:33 <uberushaximus> sgtd: Indeed Aug 22 20:40:36 * Ek0nomik|Laptop agrees with sgtd. Aug 22 20:40:45 <herteljt> and invite them to participate Aug 22 20:41:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Ideally the install fest would be not in the Winter. :/ Aug 22 20:41:25 <uberushaximus> but, please, don't elt it become a my distro is better than yours Aug 22 20:41:29 <sgtd> and don't take it personally when you encounter skepticism Aug 22 20:41:32 <uberushaximus> *let Aug 22 20:41:39 <MethodOne> that would be good, but i don't want to drive an hour or two to get to the nearest lug. i live in howards grove (near sheboygan) Aug 22 20:42:07 <herteljt> I think we need to approach this from the standpoint that any linux is better than no linux Aug 22 20:42:12 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yep. Aug 22 20:42:33 <sgtd> yes. Aug 22 20:42:46 <uberushaximus> and not to get into any flamewars with other distro users Aug 22 20:42:56 <herteljt> from our conversation here and on the forum i don't think any of us feels that Ubuntu is the one, the only distro Aug 22 20:43:28 <uberushaximus> that's a good sentiment Aug 22 20:43:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yep. Aug 22 20:44:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Alright, another item to be chewed on and discussed later. Aug 22 20:44:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> We need to communicate with LUG's more. Aug 22 20:44:26 <herteljt> I don't think the install fest has to be in only one place (though it would be helpful to have more than one person for trouble shooting) Aug 22 20:44:33 <uberushaximus> mhmm Aug 22 20:44:47 <uberushaximus> multiple simultaneous installs Aug 22 20:44:54 <uberushaximus> in different locations Aug 22 20:45:55 <MethodOne> how can i advertise the install fest to current and new linux users in my area? Aug 22 20:46:09 <uberushaximus> We'll get to that Aug 22 20:46:11 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah. Aug 22 20:46:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> We can design posters. Aug 22 20:46:23 <uberushaximus> when it gets planned Aug 22 20:46:32 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah, we will get to it. :) Aug 22 20:46:33 <herteljt> I would talk to friends, put up things at the library, etc Aug 22 20:46:43 <uberushaximus> hopefully it won't be "Soon(tm)" Aug 22 20:46:51 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol Aug 22 20:47:09 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Mailing List Ideas/Management * Aug 22 20:47:11 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> is the last item. Aug 22 20:47:15 <herteljt> Another idea I had for a project Aug 22 20:47:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> er. sorry herteljt, go ahead. :) Aug 22 20:47:35 <herteljt> was to send letters to newspapers Aug 22 20:47:43 <herteljt> like letters to the editor Aug 22 20:47:51 <uberushaximus> well, that's possible Aug 22 20:47:59 <herteljt> we could draft up something together and submit it to papers Aug 22 20:48:18 <herteljt> it would include our group and links so that interested people can contact us Aug 22 20:48:49 * zombiechick thinks WiLoCo could make a boxed Ubuntu version available free through local retailers... Aug 22 20:48:56 <uberushaximus> that's plausible, however. it wouldn't reach a large audience Aug 22 20:49:12 <herteljt> I think that is a neat idea zombiechick Aug 22 20:49:17 <uberushaximus> and maybe localize it a bit Aug 22 20:49:22 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea that would be cool Aug 22 20:49:42 <zombiechick> maybe allow the retailer to make some profit... a handling charge... Aug 22 20:49:54 <herteljt> I guess I want to find other ways to contact people and let them know about linux Aug 22 20:50:00 <uberushaximus> we could ask canonical to fund that if it came to that Aug 22 20:50:22 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Myself and a few close friends at Eau Claire would help me advertise Ubuntu on the EC Campus. Aug 22 20:50:24 <herteljt> Whether through install fests or letters or whatever Aug 22 20:50:32 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I plan on doing something like that later this year. Aug 22 20:50:36 <herteljt> I miss EC Aug 22 20:50:47 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> heh. Aug 22 20:50:57 <herteljt> could we put an "ideas board" on the forum Aug 22 20:51:01 <MethodOne> shre Aug 22 20:51:03 <MethodOne> sure* Aug 22 20:51:10 <uberushaximus> herteljt: make one ;) Aug 22 20:51:14 <herteljt> and throw out possible ideas for getting the word out? Aug 22 20:51:17 <herteljt> done and done Aug 22 20:51:23 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sounds good. Aug 22 20:52:22 <Th3_D0ct0R> hahaha sorry funny story here....but my windoes machine wont start :) it freezes on start up :P Aug 22 20:52:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> it's a sign d0ct0R. Aug 22 20:52:36 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> :P Aug 22 20:52:36 <uberushaximus> We could order large amounts of CDs to place in public libraries Aug 22 20:52:45 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberu: That would require funding. Aug 22 20:52:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I don't think Canonical will fund that until we become recognized. Aug 22 20:53:00 <uberushaximus> right Aug 22 20:53:16 <uberushaximus> throwing it out there Aug 22 20:53:26 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah I know, it's a good idea too. :) Aug 22 20:54:24 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Shall we move onto the next item? Aug 22 20:54:53 <herteljt> yes Aug 22 20:54:59 <herteljt> I made a thread Aug 22 20:56:28 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Mailing List/Management * Aug 22 20:56:50 <herteljt> Do you mean management of the list? Aug 22 20:56:57 <herteljt> or management of this group? Aug 22 20:57:09 <herteljt> both should be discussed Aug 22 20:57:26 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> both. Aug 22 20:57:40 <uberushaximus> I never got the adminship for it Aug 22 20:58:17 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> dang. Aug 22 20:58:23 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> well, that's a problem. Aug 22 20:58:48 <herteljt> what does that mean? Aug 22 20:58:56 <herteljt> who is technically the admin? Aug 22 20:59:03 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> well, uberu should be. Aug 22 20:59:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> but apparently never got it when he created the group. Aug 22 20:59:23 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> so, nobody can approve subscribers or send out e-mails as far as I know. Aug 22 20:59:26 <herteljt> who has it then? Aug 22 20:59:37 <herteljt> does it default to someone? Aug 22 20:59:54 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think we just need to get it Aug 22 21:00:01 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> from whoever created them for the groups. Aug 22 21:00:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I didn't know uberu didn't have acess to it. Aug 22 21:00:16 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> *access Aug 22 21:00:44 <herteljt> how do we know who has it? Aug 22 21:00:57 <herteljt> uberushaximus: name is green when I log in Aug 22 21:01:10 <herteljt> I guess I thought that meant he was the admin on the forum Aug 22 21:01:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> he is a moderator of the forum. Aug 22 21:01:34 <Th3_D0ct0R> not of the mailing list tho Aug 22 21:01:40 <herteljt> opps, my mistake Aug 22 21:02:59 <uberushaximus> This I suppose would be an opportune time to ask the loco a question Aug 22 21:03:08 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: Have you contacted the supposed administrators of it? Aug 22 21:03:09 <Th3_D0ct0R> k Aug 22 21:03:13 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-wi Aug 22 21:03:24 <uberushaximus> do you have any objections to a co-leadership by Ek0nomik? Aug 22 21:03:33 <herteljt> ubuntu-us-wi-owner@lists.ubuntu.com Aug 22 21:03:36 <Th3_D0ct0R> no Aug 22 21:03:57 <herteljt> it says that the list is run by Aug 22 21:04:07 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> scott something. Aug 22 21:04:10 <herteljt> scott@thunderpunch.net Aug 22 21:04:16 <uberushaximus> I think he runs all of the reserved ones Aug 22 21:04:26 <uberushaximus> it defaults to him Aug 22 21:04:34 <herteljt> so I guess we need to contact him and ask him for access Aug 22 21:04:34 <uberushaximus> I could be wrong Aug 22 21:04:43 <herteljt> has anyone subscribed to the mailing list? Aug 22 21:04:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I did. Aug 22 21:04:57 <uberushaximus> I have Aug 22 21:05:07 <herteljt> when I click on the archives it says nothing has been posted Aug 22 21:05:09 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> but who knows if any confirmations have been made. Aug 22 21:05:35 <MethodOne> i'm on the list Aug 22 21:06:23 <herteljt> well this is a pickle Aug 22 21:06:39 <herteljt> ok, Aug 22 21:06:50 <uberushaximus> not like anyone is mailing it Aug 22 21:06:52 <uberushaximus> ;) Aug 22 21:06:54 <Th3_D0ct0R> i believe its a cucumber give it sum time and sum vinegar and then ull get a pickle Aug 22 21:06:54 <herteljt> I propose that one of us send an email to scott and ask for admin rights Aug 22 21:07:14 * Ek0nomik|Laptop agrees. Aug 22 21:07:18 <uberushaximus> I'll get on it, I guess Aug 22 21:07:45 <herteljt> sounds good to me Aug 22 21:08:12 <herteljt> speaking of management.... Aug 22 21:08:38 <herteljt> I think that we should appoint some contact people Aug 22 21:09:08 <uberushaximus> "I'd like to request the posistion of mailing list manager for ubuntu-wi-us so that the wisconsin loco can start using it." Aug 22 21:09:15 <uberushaximus> sufficient? Aug 22 21:09:34 <herteljt> yes Aug 22 21:09:39 <uberushaximus> Ek0? Aug 22 21:09:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I'll volunteer. Although i must say I would be more comfortable as a contact person after talking to some LUG's in WI. Aug 22 21:10:03 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberu: Sounds great. :) Aug 22 21:10:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> mostly incase an install fest question arrises. Aug 22 21:10:37 <herteljt> I nominate Ek0nomik for contact person Aug 22 21:10:48 <uberushaximus> herteljt: for what? Aug 22 21:11:13 <herteljt> wait, I might have gotten ahead of myself :o Aug 22 21:12:08 <herteljt> uberushaximus: I thought you were volunteering for mailing list manager Aug 22 21:12:19 <herteljt> was I wrong? Aug 22 21:12:30 <uberushaximus> nono, I just sent the request Aug 22 21:12:47 <herteljt> ahh, the joys of text communication :) Aug 22 21:12:49 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol. Aug 22 21:13:03 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Alright, we need a mailing list manager and an "icon" for contact. Aug 22 21:14:05 <herteljt> if uberushaximus wants the job my vote is behind him Aug 22 21:14:36 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> for both? Aug 22 21:14:37 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> one? Aug 22 21:14:45 <herteljt> for mailing list manager Aug 22 21:15:20 <herteljt> here I'll make it an "official" nomination Aug 22 21:15:34 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I am fine w/ that. Aug 22 21:15:34 <herteljt> I hereby nominate uberushaximus for the position of mailing list manager Aug 22 21:15:37 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol. Aug 22 21:15:47 <uberushaximus> ahah Aug 22 21:15:50 <uberushaximus> okay Aug 22 21:15:51 <herteljt> does anyone else want to chime in? Aug 22 21:15:54 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think an e-mail once a week could be good. :) Aug 22 21:16:02 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> or every other along with the meeting. Aug 22 21:16:13 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think we three may be the only survivors. :/ Aug 22 21:16:24 <herteljt> Th3_D0ct0R? Aug 22 21:16:29 <uberushaximus> Ek0nomik|Laptop: maybe with a transcript attached? Aug 22 21:16:30 <Th3_D0ct0R> yesuh? Aug 22 21:16:37 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uber: sounds good. Aug 22 21:16:47 <herteljt> just checking to see if you were monitoring Aug 22 21:16:56 <Th3_D0ct0R> sorry the batery in my keyboard died:( Aug 22 21:17:02 <hoosfoos> I've been reading along too Aug 22 21:17:14 <herteljt> why don't you just use your sonic screwdriver :) Aug 22 21:17:20 <uberushaximus> well, is there any more official business that needs to be taken care of? Aug 22 21:17:26 <Th3_D0ct0R> oh well its in the shop being repaired Aug 22 21:17:38 <Th3_D0ct0R> and its great to meet a nother doctor fan :) Aug 22 21:18:16 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberu: forum co-moderation? Aug 22 21:18:19 <herteljt> I think we need a contact person Aug 22 21:18:44 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> herteljt: I agree, we won't need it until we start advertising though. Aug 22 21:18:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I will nominate myself for the time being if nobody minds. Aug 22 21:19:10 <herteljt> I second your nomination :) Aug 22 21:19:19 <Th3_D0ct0R> haha ill trhow in a third Aug 22 21:19:20 <uberushaximus> well the "team contact" officially is me Aug 22 21:19:23 <uberushaximus> but sure Aug 22 21:19:29 <herteljt> oppsss Aug 22 21:19:37 <herteljt> I don't want to step on anyone's toes Aug 22 21:19:41 <uberushaximus> I don't see the harm Aug 22 21:19:52 <uberushaximus> just change it accordingly Aug 22 21:19:59 <uberushaximus> in the loco list Aug 22 21:20:43 <herteljt> great Aug 22 21:21:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Change what? Aug 22 21:21:28 <uberushaximus> the team contact email Aug 22 21:21:32 <uberushaximus> and name Aug 22 21:21:34 <herteljt> with a group this small I don't think we need to worry about other positions (like a president or head hanco) Aug 22 21:21:44 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: You will ask (is it matthew - the admin) of the ubuntu forums? Aug 22 21:21:51 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah, we are fine herteljt. Aug 22 21:22:00 <herteljt> but it may be something we need to consider in the future Aug 22 21:22:11 <uberushaximus> Ek0nomik|Laptop: in reguards to what? ... oh Aug 22 21:22:13 <uberushaximus> it's ryan Aug 22 21:22:17 <uberushaximus> ubuntgeek Aug 22 21:22:21 <uberushaximus> er Aug 22 21:22:23 <uberushaximus> ubuntugeek Aug 22 21:23:37 <herteljt> ok Aug 22 21:23:55 <herteljt> is there anything we should try and brainstorm/workon/thinkabout for the next meeting? Aug 22 21:24:06 <uberushaximus> anything you have in mind? Aug 22 21:24:08 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> you'll send one uberu? Aug 22 21:24:15 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think working with LUG's will be something. Aug 22 21:24:17 <uberushaximus> yeah I'll do it this time ;) Aug 22 21:24:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> website may also be something. Aug 22 21:24:22 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> and project ideas. Aug 22 21:25:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I will post the conclusions and the transcript later this evening. Aug 22 21:25:50 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> and let me know what ubuntugeek says Uber. Aug 22 21:26:02 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I will create a conclusions thread as well. Aug 22 21:26:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> But, I need to run. So, have a good evening everyone. :) It was good to finally discuss some ideas. Aug 22 21:26:22 <Th3_D0ct0R> alrighty Aug 22 21:26:32 <herteljt> have a nice evening Aug 22 21:26:37 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> And I hope I get to talk to all of you on Sept 5th. :) Aug 22 21:26:39 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> and before then. Aug 22 21:26:40 <herteljt> type you on the 5th Aug 22 21:27:07 <uberushaximus> Ek0nomik|Laptop: sent, finally Aug 22 21:27:09 <uberushaximus> ;) Aug 22 21:27:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> if any of you want to reach me just shoot me a PM on IRC or the forum. Aug 22 21:27:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> haha, alright. :) Aug 22 21:27:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> or send me an e-mail. Aug 22 21:27:27 <Th3_D0ct0R> ok Aug 22 21:28:46 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> gn. Aug 22 21:28:53 <herteljt> later all Aug 22 21:29:30 <Th3_D0ct0R> later}}} |
Wisconsin Meeting History - August 22nd, 2007
The meeting turned out to be a success! The meeting lasted about an 1.5 hours and the conclusions are below:
1. Regular Meeting Time Scheduling
- Meetings will occur on Wednesday's at 8:00 PM.
- Meetings will occur twice a month.
- Next meeting will occur on September 5th, 2007.
2. Wisconsin Wiki Discussion
- The consensus was that the Wiki layout was good.
- Everyone seemed to like a clean and simple layout.
If you have suggestions or find areas that need fixing, please contact [https://launchpad.net/~ek0nomik Ek0nomik] or make the changes yourself.
3. Website & Launchpad Ideas
- This topic is going to be discussed more at the next meeting.
- Agreement that website should be easy to update and low maintenance.
- Agreement that website can act as a Wisconsin Ubuntu Loco News Blog.
4. Project Ideas in Wisconsin
herteljt has [http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=532570 created] a forum discussion where we can share project ideas.
- The group agreed that working with other Wisconsin LUGs would be beneficial.
Having a Wisconsin [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Installfest InstallFest] was highly looked upon.
- Please contribute to the discussion on the forum for project ideas, and also start contacting existing Wisconsin LUGs for project ideas/collaboration.
5. Mailing List Ideas & Group Management
uberushaximus will be handing the Mailing List and he has requested the administration information as of August 22nd, 2007.
Ek0nomik will be acting as another contact individual for the Ubuntu LoCo Group.
Next Meeting : September 5th, 2007 - 8:00 PM
Thanks to everyone who participated! Hope to see everyone (and more) at the next meeting!
Log: {{{Aug 22 19:58:48 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Hey Doctor. 
Aug 22 19:58:49 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea i read thro it all Aug 22 19:58:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I figured we can give it 2 more minutes. Aug 22 19:59:00 <herteljt> are any of you near south western wi? Aug 22 19:59:01 <Th3_D0ct0R> hey ekonomic Aug 22 19:59:09 <herteljt> terrible with all the flooding Aug 22 19:59:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I thought uber was going to make it so I want to give him a few minutes. Aug 22 19:59:11 <Th3_D0ct0R> na im up here in the northern part Aug 22 19:59:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> hert: Madison. Aug 22 19:59:20 <Th3_D0ct0R> its only 8 Aug 22 19:59:28 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> A lot of our neighbors have had flooding. Aug 22 19:59:33 <herteljt> I heard that a few people were killed in madison today Aug 22 19:59:41 <herteljt> lighting hitting water Aug 22 19:59:43 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yep. Aug 22 19:59:49 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think it was a poll actually. Aug 22 19:59:52 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> that fell into the water. Aug 22 20:00:05 <Th3_D0ct0R> wow that sucks Aug 22 20:00:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: you around? Aug 22 20:00:18 <uberushaximus> yup Aug 22 20:00:23 <uberushaximus> Greetings Aug 22 20:00:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> excellent. Aug 22 20:00:28 <uberushaximus> Welcome to our first meeting Aug 22 20:00:38 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Anyone know who Mike Putnam is? He added himself to the Wiki. Aug 22 20:00:41 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I was just wondering who he was. Aug 22 20:00:44 <herteljt> Glad to be here Aug 22 20:01:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Well, I have a rather lax agenda for us to discuss: Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Regular Meeting Time Scheduling Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Wisconsin Wiki Discussion Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Website & Launchpad Ideas Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Project Ideas in Wisconsin Aug 22 20:01:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Mailing List Ideas/Management Aug 22 20:01:36 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> So, we can begin withh 1: Regular Meeting Time. Aug 22 20:01:49 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Anyone think it will be possible for our group of people here? Aug 22 20:01:49 <uberushaximus> I can't necessarily make /every/ meeting, as I have a job Aug 22 20:01:58 <Th3_D0ct0R> umm a sec i gotta go nuke my food but ill be back Aug 22 20:02:06 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol, alright d0ct0R. Aug 22 20:02:12 <Th3_D0ct0R> jutalkin ill come back into the convo when im ready Aug 22 20:02:30 <herteljt> Evenings work best for me Aug 22 20:02:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uber: That's fine, I was just thinking a regular time for at least 3 people to be present. Aug 22 20:02:51 <herteljt> Tuesday is the only evening that won't work regularly Aug 22 20:02:52 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> herteljt: Same here, I will have lectures starting September 4. Aug 22 20:03:09 <uberushaximus> so that rules out tuesday Aug 22 20:03:20 <herteljt> Wednesday is good Aug 22 20:03:30 <MethodOne> that's good Aug 22 20:03:37 <herteljt> a nice middle of the week day Aug 22 20:04:13 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Wednesday will work for me too. Aug 22 20:04:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I have lab until 4:45, but that seems early enough anyways. Aug 22 20:04:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Wedneday nights? Aug 22 20:04:32 <uberushaximus> it worked this week Aug 22 20:05:11 <herteljt> When I was in college Wednesday evenings was the best day for meetings that is why I suggested it Aug 22 20:05:34 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> It will definitely work for me. Aug 22 20:05:43 <herteljt> Let's say Wednesday 8pm Aug 22 20:05:55 <MethodOne> ok Aug 22 20:05:56 <herteljt> as our #1 choice Aug 22 20:06:02 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think that should be fine. Let's just see what D0ct0R says. Aug 22 20:06:05 <uberushaximus> any objections? Aug 22 20:06:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Once more thing on the meeting topic... how many times a month? Aug 22 20:06:22 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> once, twice? Aug 22 20:06:42 <uberushaximus> why not bi or quadmonthly? Aug 22 20:06:53 <herteljt> it depends on what we are doing Aug 22 20:07:36 <herteljt> one advantage our little group has is that we have a message board which is checked regularly Aug 22 20:07:54 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> definitely. Aug 22 20:08:07 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I check it once a day at least. Aug 22 20:08:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: You think twice a month? Aug 22 20:08:50 <uberushaximus> twice does seem more than enough for our priorities Aug 22 20:08:53 <uberushaximus> so sure Aug 22 20:09:00 <Th3_D0ct0R> i have church choir till 730-ish and then theres always socializing til like 745 so i should be able to make it at 8 maybe a lil later Aug 22 20:09:01 <herteljt> I would agree Aug 22 20:09:16 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I agree, I think twice could possibly even be more than enough for us. Aug 22 20:09:28 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I don't think our agenda would always be as large as this one. Aug 22 20:09:42 <herteljt> if anything regular meetings will keep us honest Aug 22 20:09:54 <herteljt> and on top of our resonsibilities Aug 22 20:09:59 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea something to chekc up on our prgress Aug 22 20:10:01 <herteljt> responsibilities Aug 22 20:10:11 <sgtd> Wednesday @ 8:00pm works for me too. Aug 22 20:10:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> hey sgtd. Aug 22 20:10:28 <sgtd> howdy Ek0nomik|Laptop , all. Aug 22 20:10:30 <herteljt> is someone acting as a recorder? Aug 22 20:10:33 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah. Aug 22 20:10:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I am logging. Aug 22 20:10:38 <herteljt> k Aug 22 20:10:41 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I will update the Wiki later tonight too. Aug 22 20:10:57 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> So, twice a month seems good for everyone? Aug 22 20:11:05 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea Aug 22 20:11:10 <MethodOne> ok Aug 22 20:11:15 <herteljt> sounds good Aug 22 20:11:46 * hoosfoos checks in Aug 22 20:11:50 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> alright. Aug 22 20:12:01 <herteljt> so the next scheduled meeting will be September 5th Aug 22 20:12:16 <herteljt> at 8pm Aug 22 20:12:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I'll put a reminder in my phone. Aug 22 20:12:23 <Th3_D0ct0R> second day of school fo me Aug 22 20:12:34 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Second day for everyone in Wisconsin I think. Aug 22 20:12:45 <herteljt> yes, our legislature made sure of that Aug 22 20:12:51 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> so our kids can work at the Dells. Aug 22 20:12:54 <herteljt> the private schools can start early Aug 22 20:12:58 <Th3_D0ct0R> oh yea Aug 22 20:13:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I wish I could get the Soup Nazi to say "Next!" after we finish every item on our agenda. Aug 22 20:13:32 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Wisconsin Wiki Discussion * Aug 22 20:13:42 <uberushaximus> good episode Aug 22 20:13:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I reworked the Wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WisconsinTeam - if you haven't seen it) Aug 22 20:14:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I have uberushaximus and myself on the Member list. Any of you can add yourself at any time if you wish. Aug 22 20:15:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I don't know if any of you thought additional pages should be create, or something changed. Aug 22 20:15:23 <Th3_D0ct0R> it lookes good Aug 22 20:15:48 <herteljt> clean and simple Aug 22 20:15:51 <uberushaximus> that it does Aug 22 20:16:07 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> If anything comes to mind, just shoot me a message or clean up any messy errors I made. Aug 22 20:16:13 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> or just create a page if you wish. Aug 22 20:16:19 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea alrighty Aug 22 20:16:53 <uberushaximus> NEXT! Aug 22 20:16:58 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol. Aug 22 20:16:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Website & Launchpad Ideas * Aug 22 20:17:13 * Ek0nomik|Laptop personally doesn't use Launchpad very often at all. Aug 22 20:17:24 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> A website could be worthwhile though. Aug 22 20:17:30 * uberushaximus used to but has been drawn away from it Aug 22 20:17:37 * uberushaximus realizes he has a hat on Aug 22 20:17:52 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> life aquatic style? Aug 22 20:17:54 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> :P Aug 22 20:17:58 <herteljt> My questions would be: Aug 22 20:17:59 * uberushaximus is easily distracted Aug 22 20:18:05 <herteljt> 1) what is on the site? Aug 22 20:18:11 <herteljt> 2) who maintains the site? Aug 22 20:18:27 <uberushaximus> Ek0nomik already suggested to maintain Aug 22 20:18:41 <uberushaximus> did you not? Aug 22 20:19:04 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> herteljt: Honestly, I think #1 would be very similar to the Wiki. It would just look nicer. Aug 22 20:19:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> 2: I am looking for VERY low maintenance if we were to have one. Aug 22 20:19:20 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea and we could and a bunch of nifty little touches Aug 22 20:19:38 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I can maintain it, but keeping that in mind, I would keep everything VERY simple. Aug 22 20:19:43 <herteljt> Would it be for communication with people outside the group? Aug 22 20:19:51 <Th3_D0ct0R> yes and no Aug 22 20:19:53 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I would use Wordpress for "blogging" (updated), and then just throw a design together. Aug 22 20:19:58 <sgtd> could it be stated that wiki is for LoCo Team stuffs and Lanchpad site is primarily to attract/engage new Ubuntu users? Aug 22 20:20:00 <uberushaximus> why not be a portal newsblog? Aug 22 20:20:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: You are saying the website could be a news blog? Aug 22 20:20:50 <uberushaximus> mhmm Aug 22 20:20:53 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sgtd: Do you think Launchpad makes for a good initial greeting to the group? Aug 22 20:20:57 * zombiechick wonders why there is a need for a distro-specific advocacy group... Aug 22 20:21:02 <uberushaximus> similar to planet.pidgin.im Aug 22 20:21:11 <sgtd> With Forums/Wiki/and Lanchpad, I forsee an unhealthy spread of un-updated resources. Aug 22 20:21:24 <sgtd> zombiechick: why not? Aug 22 20:21:47 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> zombiechick: You have an odd channel choice then. Aug 22 20:21:52 <zombiechick> sgtd: I have been an avocate of most distro's at one time or another... Aug 22 20:21:53 <sgtd> Linux! With a bias! Aug 22 20:21:55 <herteljt> zombiechick: Everyone has to start somewhere Aug 22 20:22:07 <herteljt> what a strange comment Aug 22 20:22:09 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sgtd: I absolutely agree, and that's why I am saying very low maintenance. Aug 22 20:22:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> The website would need to be *easy* to update. Aug 22 20:22:46 <herteljt> a blog would work nicely Aug 22 20:22:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I have setup my own blog w/ Wordpress. Aug 22 20:22:55 <zombiechick> I just wonder if all this energy would be better put into a distro-neutral Linux advocacy group Aug 22 20:23:15 <sgtd> Perhaps we could step back and assert what this LoCo is all about. Evangelize? Socialize? etc? Aug 22 20:23:16 * zombiechick will shut up now.. Aug 22 20:23:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> zombiechick: Getting someone interested in a single distro is enough to push them to another. Aug 22 20:23:33 <herteljt> I agree that is the point of the group Aug 22 20:23:44 <herteljt> try ubuntu and if you like it try something else Aug 22 20:24:22 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sgtd: The purpose of the LoCo is advocation and socialization imo. Aug 22 20:24:31 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Advocate while having fun. Aug 22 20:24:40 <herteljt> I think advocate Aug 22 20:25:14 * zombiechick is now known as zombiechick-here Aug 22 20:25:24 * zombiechick-here is now known as hereti1 Aug 22 20:25:35 <sgtd> i see my "membership" as an evangelical one, the social part will follow anyway. Aug 22 20:25:36 <hereti1> rofl... Aug 22 20:25:54 <herteljt> I also think evangelical Aug 22 20:26:04 <herteljt> but I don't see myself "pushing" others into it Aug 22 20:26:08 <uberushaximus> I think pushing ease of use and easy migration is a must Aug 22 20:26:12 * hereti1 is now known as zombiechick Aug 22 20:26:16 * Ek0nomik|Laptop agrees with uber. Aug 22 20:26:16 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea Aug 22 20:26:20 <herteljt> although I did change my mother's pc over Aug 22 20:26:24 <sgtd> !pushing, rather "making aware" Aug 22 20:26:33 <sgtd> My wife runs Ubuntu. Aug 22 20:26:50 <sgtd> My kids run Ubuntu (when they don't want to play Win-only games) Aug 22 20:26:56 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> My roomates now run Ubuntu, and my girlfriend will soon as well. Aug 22 20:27:05 <sgtd> I run Ubuntu for casual-use laptops Aug 22 20:27:44 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> primary distro? Aug 22 20:27:54 <herteljt> what were were talking about? Aug 22 20:27:56 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Ok, so, shall we put the website discussion off for another time? Aug 22 20:28:11 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> let the idea get chewed on a bit for the next meeting? Aug 22 20:28:18 <MethodOne> ok Aug 22 20:28:19 <sgtd> Whether or not advocacy is the primary goal of the LoCo, I would vote that the Launchpad be used primarily for that. Aug 22 20:28:52 <herteljt> yes, let's put it off for the next meeting Aug 22 20:29:16 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Project Ideas in Wisconsin * Aug 22 20:29:23 <sgtd> and the wiki for "Team" stuff. a la "point gramma to Launchpad, point techno-buddies interested in participating to wiki" Aug 22 20:30:15 <Th3_D0ct0R> what have other loco groups done? Aug 22 20:30:25 <sgtd> <shrug> Aug 22 20:30:31 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> many have websites if I am not mistaken. Aug 22 20:30:34 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> and launchpad as well. Aug 22 20:30:59 <Th3_D0ct0R> so they just encourage ppl to use ubuntu/linux? Aug 22 20:31:00 <sgtd> I can offer a subdomain of wisconsinlinux.org to the group. Aug 22 20:31:20 <sgtd> Th3_D0ct0R: but with Local relavence. Aug 22 20:31:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sgtd: Thanks for the offer. I think we should just chew on the idea for now. Aug 22 20:31:46 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> we can discuss the website more at the next meeting. Aug 22 20:31:52 <sgtd> <tabled> Aug 22 20:32:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus has control over the Launchpad. Aug 22 20:32:15 <herteljt> I agree with the gentlemen from wisconsin Aug 22 20:32:24 <uberushaximus> is there any changes needed? Aug 22 20:32:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Just a photo I think. Aug 22 20:33:05 <uberushaximus> of? Aug 22 20:33:07 <uberushaximus> the logo? Aug 22 20:33:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sure. Aug 22 20:33:30 <sgtd> herteljt: olz Aug 22 20:34:02 <herteljt> olz? Aug 22 20:34:11 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Does anyone have any initial project ideas for us to think about? Aug 22 20:34:15 <sgtd> multiple lol's perhaps Aug 22 20:34:24 <herteljt> oh Aug 22 20:34:51 <herteljt> here is one I had Aug 22 20:34:58 <herteljt> a setup day of some sort Aug 22 20:35:09 <sgtd> an installfest? Aug 22 20:35:13 <herteljt> yep Aug 22 20:35:26 <MethodOne> that would be good Aug 22 20:35:32 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yes, yes it would. Aug 22 20:35:47 <sgtd> could we leverage any regional LUG's? Aug 22 20:35:48 <herteljt> maybe we could advertise at different places and help people setup systems Aug 22 20:35:51 <uberushaximus> sgtd: would you be interested in seeing if we can work that into the wilug installfest? Aug 22 20:36:14 <sgtd> !wilug!! is having an installfest?! Aug 22 20:36:31 <uberushaximus> I assumed they would? Aug 22 20:36:33 <uberushaximus> :/ Aug 22 20:37:06 <sgtd> #wilug is very geographically diverse. Aug 22 20:37:15 <uberushaximus> are we not? Aug 22 20:37:35 <sgtd> yes. but #wilug hasn't done an installfest either Aug 22 20:37:59 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I don't think we can get any conclusions out of this yet. We need to communicate more with other LUG's in WI to set this up. Aug 22 20:38:04 <herteljt> should we contact wilug and maybe a few other lugs in wisconsin? Aug 22 20:38:23 <sgtd> yes. Aug 22 20:38:41 <herteljt> http://www.newlug.org/index.php/Main_Page#Linux_Links Aug 22 20:38:46 <herteljt> that is newlug Aug 22 20:38:53 <sgtd> I think existing LUGS may think it a bit of a waste of time. Aug 22 20:38:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah, we need to discuss with other LUG's more. Aug 22 20:38:57 <herteljt> north eastern wisconsin Aug 22 20:39:08 <sgtd> it would be tricky to get buy-in without being dismissed. Aug 22 20:39:26 <uberushaximus> launchpad logo'd Aug 22 20:39:28 <sgtd> http://wisconsinlinux.org has pretty full list of the groups in WI. Aug 22 20:39:35 <uberushaximus> https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-us-wisconsin Aug 22 20:40:23 <herteljt> well, how about this Aug 22 20:40:23 <sgtd> regardless, a healthy relationship with local LUG's can only be good. Aug 22 20:40:32 <herteljt> we plan an install fest Aug 22 20:40:33 <uberushaximus> sgtd: Indeed Aug 22 20:40:36 * Ek0nomik|Laptop agrees with sgtd. Aug 22 20:40:45 <herteljt> and invite them to participate Aug 22 20:41:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Ideally the install fest would be not in the Winter. :/ Aug 22 20:41:25 <uberushaximus> but, please, don't elt it become a my distro is better than yours Aug 22 20:41:29 <sgtd> and don't take it personally when you encounter skepticism Aug 22 20:41:32 <uberushaximus> *let Aug 22 20:41:39 <MethodOne> that would be good, but i don't want to drive an hour or two to get to the nearest lug. i live in howards grove (near sheboygan) Aug 22 20:42:07 <herteljt> I think we need to approach this from the standpoint that any linux is better than no linux Aug 22 20:42:12 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yep. Aug 22 20:42:33 <sgtd> yes. Aug 22 20:42:46 <uberushaximus> and not to get into any flamewars with other distro users Aug 22 20:42:56 <herteljt> from our conversation here and on the forum i don't think any of us feels that Ubuntu is the one, the only distro Aug 22 20:43:28 <uberushaximus> that's a good sentiment Aug 22 20:43:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yep. Aug 22 20:44:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Alright, another item to be chewed on and discussed later. Aug 22 20:44:21 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> We need to communicate with LUG's more. Aug 22 20:44:26 <herteljt> I don't think the install fest has to be in only one place (though it would be helpful to have more than one person for trouble shooting) Aug 22 20:44:33 <uberushaximus> mhmm Aug 22 20:44:47 <uberushaximus> multiple simultaneous installs Aug 22 20:44:54 <uberushaximus> in different locations Aug 22 20:45:55 <MethodOne> how can i advertise the install fest to current and new linux users in my area? Aug 22 20:46:09 <uberushaximus> We'll get to that Aug 22 20:46:11 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah. Aug 22 20:46:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> We can design posters. Aug 22 20:46:23 <uberushaximus> when it gets planned Aug 22 20:46:32 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah, we will get to it. Aug 22 20:46:33 <herteljt> I would talk to friends, put up things at the library, etc Aug 22 20:46:43 <uberushaximus> hopefully it won't be "Soon(tm)" Aug 22 20:46:51 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol Aug 22 20:47:09 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Mailing List Ideas/Management * Aug 22 20:47:11 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> is the last item. Aug 22 20:47:15 <herteljt> Another idea I had for a project Aug 22 20:47:25 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> er. sorry herteljt, go ahead. Aug 22 20:47:35 <herteljt> was to send letters to newspapers Aug 22 20:47:43 <herteljt> like letters to the editor Aug 22 20:47:51 <uberushaximus> well, that's possible Aug 22 20:47:59 <herteljt> we could draft up something together and submit it to papers Aug 22 20:48:18 <herteljt> it would include our group and links so that interested people can contact us Aug 22 20:48:49 * zombiechick thinks WiLoCo could make a boxed Ubuntu version available free through local retailers... Aug 22 20:48:56 <uberushaximus> that's plausible, however. it wouldn't reach a large audience Aug 22 20:49:12 <herteljt> I think that is a neat idea zombiechick Aug 22 20:49:17 <uberushaximus> and maybe localize it a bit Aug 22 20:49:22 <Th3_D0ct0R> yea that would be cool Aug 22 20:49:42 <zombiechick> maybe allow the retailer to make some profit... a handling charge... Aug 22 20:49:54 <herteljt> I guess I want to find other ways to contact people and let them know about linux Aug 22 20:50:00 <uberushaximus> we could ask canonical to fund that if it came to that Aug 22 20:50:22 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Myself and a few close friends at Eau Claire would help me advertise Ubuntu on the EC Campus. Aug 22 20:50:24 <herteljt> Whether through install fests or letters or whatever Aug 22 20:50:32 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I plan on doing something like that later this year. Aug 22 20:50:36 <herteljt> I miss EC Aug 22 20:50:47 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> heh. Aug 22 20:50:57 <herteljt> could we put an "ideas board" on the forum Aug 22 20:51:01 <MethodOne> shre Aug 22 20:51:03 <MethodOne> sure* Aug 22 20:51:10 <uberushaximus> herteljt: make one 
Aug 22 20:51:14 <herteljt> and throw out possible ideas for getting the word out? Aug 22 20:51:17 <herteljt> done and done Aug 22 20:51:23 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> sounds good. Aug 22 20:52:22 <Th3_D0ct0R> hahaha sorry funny story here....but my windoes machine wont start it freezes on start up :P Aug 22 20:52:35 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> it's a sign d0ct0R. Aug 22 20:52:36 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> :P Aug 22 20:52:36 <uberushaximus> We could order large amounts of CDs to place in public libraries Aug 22 20:52:45 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberu: That would require funding. Aug 22 20:52:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I don't think Canonical will fund that until we become recognized. Aug 22 20:53:00 <uberushaximus> right Aug 22 20:53:16 <uberushaximus> throwing it out there Aug 22 20:53:26 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah I know, it's a good idea too. Aug 22 20:54:24 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Shall we move onto the next item? Aug 22 20:54:53 <herteljt> yes Aug 22 20:54:59 <herteljt> I made a thread Aug 22 20:56:28 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> * Mailing List/Management * Aug 22 20:56:50 <herteljt> Do you mean management of the list? Aug 22 20:56:57 <herteljt> or management of this group? Aug 22 20:57:09 <herteljt> both should be discussed Aug 22 20:57:26 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> both. Aug 22 20:57:40 <uberushaximus> I never got the adminship for it Aug 22 20:58:17 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> dang. Aug 22 20:58:23 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> well, that's a problem. Aug 22 20:58:48 <herteljt> what does that mean? Aug 22 20:58:56 <herteljt> who is technically the admin? Aug 22 20:59:03 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> well, uberu should be. Aug 22 20:59:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> but apparently never got it when he created the group. Aug 22 20:59:23 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> so, nobody can approve subscribers or send out e-mails as far as I know. Aug 22 20:59:26 <herteljt> who has it then? Aug 22 20:59:37 <herteljt> does it default to someone? Aug 22 20:59:54 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think we just need to get it Aug 22 21:00:01 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> from whoever created them for the groups. Aug 22 21:00:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I didn't know uberu didn't have acess to it. Aug 22 21:00:16 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> *access Aug 22 21:00:44 <herteljt> how do we know who has it? Aug 22 21:00:57 <herteljt> uberushaximus: name is green when I log in Aug 22 21:01:10 <herteljt> I guess I thought that meant he was the admin on the forum Aug 22 21:01:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> he is a moderator of the forum. Aug 22 21:01:34 <Th3_D0ct0R> not of the mailing list tho Aug 22 21:01:40 <herteljt> opps, my mistake Aug 22 21:02:59 <uberushaximus> This I suppose would be an opportune time to ask the loco a question Aug 22 21:03:08 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: Have you contacted the supposed administrators of it? Aug 22 21:03:09 <Th3_D0ct0R> k Aug 22 21:03:13 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-wi Aug 22 21:03:24 <uberushaximus> do you have any objections to a co-leadership by Ek0nomik? Aug 22 21:03:33 <herteljt> ubuntu-us-wi-owner@lists.ubuntu.com Aug 22 21:03:36 <Th3_D0ct0R> no Aug 22 21:03:57 <herteljt> it says that the list is run by Aug 22 21:04:07 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> scott something. Aug 22 21:04:10 <herteljt> scott@thunderpunch.net Aug 22 21:04:16 <uberushaximus> I think he runs all of the reserved ones Aug 22 21:04:26 <uberushaximus> it defaults to him Aug 22 21:04:34 <herteljt> so I guess we need to contact him and ask him for access Aug 22 21:04:34 <uberushaximus> I could be wrong Aug 22 21:04:43 <herteljt> has anyone subscribed to the mailing list? Aug 22 21:04:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I did. Aug 22 21:04:57 <uberushaximus> I have Aug 22 21:05:07 <herteljt> when I click on the archives it says nothing has been posted Aug 22 21:05:09 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> but who knows if any confirmations have been made. Aug 22 21:05:35 <MethodOne> i'm on the list Aug 22 21:06:23 <herteljt> well this is a pickle Aug 22 21:06:39 <herteljt> ok, Aug 22 21:06:50 <uberushaximus> not like anyone is mailing it Aug 22 21:06:52 <uberushaximus> Aug 22 21:06:54 <Th3_D0ct0R> i believe its a cucumber give it sum time and sum vinegar and then ull get a pickle Aug 22 21:06:54 <herteljt> I propose that one of us send an email to scott and ask for admin rights Aug 22 21:07:14 * Ek0nomik|Laptop agrees. Aug 22 21:07:18 <uberushaximus> I'll get on it, I guess Aug 22 21:07:45 <herteljt> sounds good to me Aug 22 21:08:12 <herteljt> speaking of management.... Aug 22 21:08:38 <herteljt> I think that we should appoint some contact people Aug 22 21:09:08 <uberushaximus> "I'd like to request the posistion of mailing list manager for ubuntu-wi-us so that the wisconsin loco can start using it." Aug 22 21:09:15 <uberushaximus> sufficient? Aug 22 21:09:34 <herteljt> yes Aug 22 21:09:39 <uberushaximus> Ek0? Aug 22 21:09:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I'll volunteer. Although i must say I would be more comfortable as a contact person after talking to some LUG's in WI. Aug 22 21:10:03 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberu: Sounds great. Aug 22 21:10:20 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> mostly incase an install fest question arrises. Aug 22 21:10:37 <herteljt> I nominate Ek0nomik for contact person Aug 22 21:10:48 <uberushaximus> herteljt: for what? Aug 22 21:11:13 <herteljt> wait, I might have gotten ahead of myself 
Aug 22 21:12:08 <herteljt> uberushaximus: I thought you were volunteering for mailing list manager Aug 22 21:12:19 <herteljt> was I wrong? Aug 22 21:12:30 <uberushaximus> nono, I just sent the request Aug 22 21:12:47 <herteljt> ahh, the joys of text communication Aug 22 21:12:49 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol. Aug 22 21:13:03 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Alright, we need a mailing list manager and an "icon" for contact. Aug 22 21:14:05 <herteljt> if uberushaximus wants the job my vote is behind him Aug 22 21:14:36 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> for both? Aug 22 21:14:37 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> one? Aug 22 21:14:45 <herteljt> for mailing list manager Aug 22 21:15:20 <herteljt> here I'll make it an "official" nomination Aug 22 21:15:34 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I am fine w/ that. Aug 22 21:15:34 <herteljt> I hereby nominate uberushaximus for the position of mailing list manager Aug 22 21:15:37 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> lol. Aug 22 21:15:47 <uberushaximus> ahah Aug 22 21:15:50 <uberushaximus> okay Aug 22 21:15:51 <herteljt> does anyone else want to chime in? Aug 22 21:15:54 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think an e-mail once a week could be good. Aug 22 21:16:02 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> or every other along with the meeting. Aug 22 21:16:13 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think we three may be the only survivors. :/ Aug 22 21:16:24 <herteljt> Th3_D0ct0R? Aug 22 21:16:29 <uberushaximus> Ek0nomik|Laptop: maybe with a transcript attached? Aug 22 21:16:30 <Th3_D0ct0R> yesuh? Aug 22 21:16:37 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uber: sounds good. Aug 22 21:16:47 <herteljt> just checking to see if you were monitoring Aug 22 21:16:56 <Th3_D0ct0R> sorry the batery in my keyboard died:( Aug 22 21:17:02 <hoosfoos> I've been reading along too Aug 22 21:17:14 <herteljt> why don't you just use your sonic screwdriver Aug 22 21:17:20 <uberushaximus> well, is there any more official business that needs to be taken care of? Aug 22 21:17:26 <Th3_D0ct0R> oh well its in the shop being repaired Aug 22 21:17:38 <Th3_D0ct0R> and its great to meet a nother doctor fan Aug 22 21:18:16 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberu: forum co-moderation? Aug 22 21:18:19 <herteljt> I think we need a contact person Aug 22 21:18:44 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> herteljt: I agree, we won't need it until we start advertising though. Aug 22 21:18:55 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I will nominate myself for the time being if nobody minds. Aug 22 21:19:10 <herteljt> I second your nomination Aug 22 21:19:19 <Th3_D0ct0R> haha ill trhow in a third Aug 22 21:19:20 <uberushaximus> well the "team contact" officially is me Aug 22 21:19:23 <uberushaximus> but sure Aug 22 21:19:29 <herteljt> oppsss Aug 22 21:19:37 <herteljt> I don't want to step on anyone's toes Aug 22 21:19:41 <uberushaximus> I don't see the harm Aug 22 21:19:52 <uberushaximus> just change it accordingly Aug 22 21:19:59 <uberushaximus> in the loco list Aug 22 21:20:43 <herteljt> great Aug 22 21:21:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> Change what? Aug 22 21:21:28 <uberushaximus> the team contact email Aug 22 21:21:32 <uberushaximus> and name Aug 22 21:21:34 <herteljt> with a group this small I don't think we need to worry about other positions (like a president or head hanco) Aug 22 21:21:44 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> uberushaximus: You will ask (is it matthew - the admin) of the ubuntu forums? Aug 22 21:21:51 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> yeah, we are fine herteljt. Aug 22 21:22:00 <herteljt> but it may be something we need to consider in the future Aug 22 21:22:11 <uberushaximus> Ek0nomik|Laptop: in reguards to what? ... oh Aug 22 21:22:13 <uberushaximus> it's ryan Aug 22 21:22:17 <uberushaximus> ubuntgeek Aug 22 21:22:21 <uberushaximus> er Aug 22 21:22:23 <uberushaximus> ubuntugeek Aug 22 21:23:37 <herteljt> ok Aug 22 21:23:55 <herteljt> is there anything we should try and brainstorm/workon/thinkabout for the next meeting? Aug 22 21:24:06 <uberushaximus> anything you have in mind? Aug 22 21:24:08 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> you'll send one uberu? Aug 22 21:24:15 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I think working with LUG's will be something. Aug 22 21:24:17 <uberushaximus> yeah I'll do it this time Aug 22 21:24:18 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> website may also be something. Aug 22 21:24:22 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> and project ideas. Aug 22 21:25:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I will post the conclusions and the transcript later this evening. Aug 22 21:25:50 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> and let me know what ubuntugeek says Uber. Aug 22 21:26:02 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> I will create a conclusions thread as well. Aug 22 21:26:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> But, I need to run. So, have a good evening everyone. It was good to finally discuss some ideas. Aug 22 21:26:22 <Th3_D0ct0R> alrighty Aug 22 21:26:32 <herteljt> have a nice evening Aug 22 21:26:37 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> And I hope I get to talk to all of you on Sept 5th. Aug 22 21:26:39 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> and before then. Aug 22 21:26:40 <herteljt> type you on the 5th Aug 22 21:27:07 <uberushaximus> Ek0nomik|Laptop: sent, finally Aug 22 21:27:09 <uberushaximus> Aug 22 21:27:10 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> if any of you want to reach me just shoot me a PM on IRC or the forum. Aug 22 21:27:14 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> haha, alright. Aug 22 21:27:19 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> or send me an e-mail. Aug 22 21:27:27 <Th3_D0ct0R> ok Aug 22 21:28:46 <Ek0nomik|Laptop> gn. Aug 22 21:28:53 <herteljt> later all Aug 22 21:29:30 <Th3_D0ct0R> later}}}
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