Sunday, April 4th, 2010, 7:00pm (1900) PDT
- Ubuntu 8.10 goes EOL at the end of April, so anyone using it is encouraged to upgrade to/through 9.04.
- Ubuntu 8.04 is supported for another year on the desktop, 3 more for server, because it's LTS
- New people introduction
- Discussion of keeping Facebook page updated for meetings and events
- Joe proposed setting up a script to help with it using the Facebook API
Ubuntu Open Week is calling for papers/proposals/sessions. It's held the week (monday-friday) after release. More information is at UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep
10.10's release codename has been announced as "Maverick Meerkat"
- Ubuntu 8.10 goes EOL at the end of April, so anyone using it is encouraged to upgrade to/through 9.04.
- Global Jam recap
- Event was rather casual, but meeting everyone was good and we had fun
- Documentation work, Acire additions, discussion about making Ubuntu processes and contribution easier, discussion about Linux and western education
Joe wrote a blog entry about it: http://www.bjoli.com/linux/?p=45
- Covered bugwork, triage, tracking down packages that bugs belong to, setting up a blog on Planet, work on Lucid presentation, played Portal
- Would be good to have better advertising next time
Discussed bug handling, bug control, the Linux brochure Jack sent to the mailing list, finding and contributing to help resources (handout (pdf))
- Next time, we need to have one central source of information. We should keep the wiki pages updated better, rather than spreading information across several resources
- Discussion of wiki updating policies
- Lucid release planning
- Discussion of whether to focus 'tour' advertising on release parties, or installfests, or both.
- Discussion of holding release parties/installfests in cafes, staffing, demonstrations, etc.
- Timeframe: Currently April 4th, release is April 29th, installfests in mid-May
- Discussion moved to the mailing list
Lucid Global Jam recap
Lucid Release parties planning
19:08 < Flannel> Alrght, welcome everyone to tonight's meeting. Hope everyone had an enjoyable easter weekend, complete with free foot-massages for those of us in the south 19:08 < Flannel> Did anyone up north feel the earthquake? I know nhaines did in Orange, and I've heard reports of LA feeling it, anyone further north? 19:09 < cowbud> not in sf :) 19:09 < akk> nor in sj 19:09 < nhaines> Up north had their own 4-point-something quake, too. :) 19:09 < MarkDude> not in wc 19:09 < grantbow> too much rain to notice a quake here 19:09 < akk> That was just a little thing, the one up here. 19:09 < cowbud> indeed 19:10 < MarkDude> If it is under a 5 magnitude <yawn> 19:10 < akk> Just wait 'til lucid releases -- then the earth will really move. 19:10 < pleia2> hehe 19:10 < MarkDude> lol 19:10 < cowbud> hah 19:10 < duckleet> lol 19:10 < Flannel> Our agenda for tonight consists of Global Jam recap, and Lucid release planning. You can find it here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/10April04 19:11 < Flannel> Before we get started on those, we've got a few announcements and things, 19:11 < Flannel> First, 8.10 (Intrepid Ibex) will go EOL at the end of April, 19:12 < Flannel> everyone still using Intrepid is encouraged to upgrade. 9.04 is the only supported upgrade path (and then to 9.10, 10.04, etc) 19:12 < Flannel> 8.04 isn't EOL yet, even though it was released six months earlier, because it's an LTS. 19:13 < Flannel> Anyone have questions? 19:13 < grantbow> fyi, 8.04 LTS is supported for one more year for desktop, 3 more for server 19:13 < Flannel> I know we have at least two new faces here tonight, I apologise for skipping you, we'll get back to you in a minute :) 19:14 < Flannel> Alright, before we move on with more announcements, welcome to you new folks. if you'd like to introduce yourselves, you're more than welcome to. 19:15 < cowbud> Hi Scott from SF recently moved and I am interested in becoming more active in the CA Ubuntu community 19:15 < duckleet> hello i am duckleet and i live in the oc 19:15 < duckleet> aka donald 19:15 < cowbud> duckleet: hah celver 19:15 < cowbud> or clever? 19:15 < grantbow> welcome guys 19:15 < duckleet> i live so close to disneyland had to 19:16 < Flannel> cowbud, duckleet: If either of you have questions about what we do here or anything like that, feel free to ask at any time, during the meeting or afterwards. 19:16 < cowbud> thanks 19:16 < duckleet> thanks will wait till after 19:16 < cowbud> grantbow: thanks 19:17 < duckleet> to aSK 19:17 < Flannel> Our next announcement is that we've been having some troube keeping our facebook page updated with our meetings and things, so we're looking for volunteers for that. 19:17 < grantbow> That and other items on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/MeetingChecklist if you like as well - the more the merrier. 19:18 < grantbow> It's always good to have redundancy in getting these things done. 19:18 < Yasumoto> Would setting up a script for some things, for instance using the facebook API, be of interest? 19:18 < grantbow> oh yeah 19:19 < Flannel> You don't need to volunteer at one of these meetings, so if you decide you're interested later, just let me know. 19:19 < nhaines> Yasumoto: Might be a good idea, depending on what the API can do,. 19:19 < Yasumoto> I know "technical solutions to social problems" and all, but might help ensure things happen 19:19 < Flannel> Yasumoto: Probably couldn't hurt, although it might take more time setting that up than just updating it every few weeks 19:21 < Yasumoto> Yeah, usually more upfront time, but generally a good idea for stuff in the long run 19:21 < Yasumoto> I'll get a project page setup and see if we can drum up some interest? 19:21 < nhaines> Yasumoto: can't hurt. Maybe some other LoCos would use it too. 19:22 < Flannel> Yasumoto: Do we need a project page? or is it just going to be something to whip up in an afternoon? 19:22 < Flannel> I don't know how involved the API is 19:22 < grantbow> bzr ftw 19:22 < Yasumoto> Hey, that's a great idea, that'd be cool 19:22 < nhaines> Oh, I thought you meant an LP page. 19:22 < mpontillo> re: facebook event calendars, it seems like it might be useful to keep events somewhere else and sync them with something like this? http://www.fbcal.com/ 19:22 < akk> The API is apparently fairly simple 19:23 < akk> and probably code could be easily copied from gwibber :) 19:23 < grantbow> akk: good to know 19:23 < Yasumoto> Flannel: I think it'd be pretty helpful for others 19:23 *** akk copied some twitter code from gwibber -- it's pretty readable python 19:23 < Flannel> Yasumoto: Right, might just be something we stick in our team bzr repo, but lets talk about details after the meeting 19:23 < Yasumoto> akk: Yeah, great idea. I think the faceook python API docs aren't that well documnted, last I checked 19:24 < Yasumoto> kk, coolio :) 19:24 < Yasumoto> mpontillo: Definitely something to look into 19:24 < Flannel> So, our last announcement is the Ubuntu Open Week Call for Papers/Proposals/Sessions 19:24 < akk> Unfortunately there's no python-facebook api package like there is python-twitter, so you probably have to do json directly (there is a perl facebook api, I think) 19:25 < Flannel> Ubuntu Open Week is held the week after release (M-F), and it's a chance for Users to learn stuff about Ubuntu. 19:25 < Flannel> Either technical, or social, or whatever, you can see Karmic's UOW schedule here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MeetingLogs/openweekKarmic 19:26 < Flannel> Anyone can do a presentation, our LoCo has done one on running a booth at an expo, so if you've got an idea you'd like to teach others about, this would be a great time to do it 19:27 < Flannel> The page that gives you details about what exactly they're looking for in a topic, and how to submit one is here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOpenWeek/Prep 19:27 < nhaines> It's a great way to help others or get an interesting topic out to a lot of people. 19:28 < Flannel> On the other side of the coin, Ubuntu Open Week is a great thing to attend (either live or by reading logs afterwards) so be sure to keep an eye out for topics you're interested in 19:28 < grantbow> Lernid is a great tool for following these events now too. I'm sure there will be links on the Lucid pages this time around. 19:29 < eps> Lernid? 19:29 < pleia2> eps: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lernid 19:29 < Flannel> Lernid is a hybrid IRC + Slideshow + notepad type thing 19:29 < nhaines> eps: it's a program that connects you to the right rooms automatically, so you don't have to worry about IRC or time zone conversions. 19:30 < grantbow> pleia2: thanks 19:30 < Flannel> Anyone have any questions about OUW or anything else? 19:30 < Flannel> Oh, the sessions are held on IRC, so you don't have to "be" anywhere to tune in 19:31 < nhaines> And the logs are available quickly afterward, so you can go back and read the logs for any session you missed. 19:31 < cowbud> Is there an actual lucid scheduole? 19:31 < Flannel> cowbud: Not yet, there will be once people volunteer and such (right now it's a call-for-volunteers) 19:31 < nhaines> cowbud: not yet, because they're still looking for speakers and topics. 19:32 < cowbud> ah ok 19:32 < Flannel> cowbud: Apparently the schedule should be available on the 16th 19:32 < mpontillo> so, when the IRC sessions are held, often times good questions are asked - seems like it would be good for someone to read through them and update documentation/FAQs afterward. not sure what a good process for that is 19:32 < Flannel> And OUW is May 3-7 (M-F) 19:34 < Flannel> mpontillo: Yeah, that would be helpful. 19:34 < Flannel> mpontillo: I'm not aware of any effort to do something like that, but I'll ask around and see if there is already. 19:35 < Flannel> Anyone have anything else for UOW? or any other announcements we've missed? 19:36 < Flannel> Oh! right. 19:36 < Flannel> 10.10 is going to be codenamed "Maverick Meerkat" 19:36 < Flannel> You can read all about it here: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/336 19:37 < Flannel> With that, I think we'll move on to our first agenda item for the evening, Global Jam Recap. 19:37 < akk> Maverick? He doesn't follow US politics much, I guess. 19:37 < MarkDude> lol 19:37 < nhaines> . 19:37 < grantbow> haha 19:37 < MarkDude> Mavericky Mavericks 19:37 < cowbud> Meerkat eh 19:37 < cowbud> hah 19:37 < MarkDude> SNL skit - he never saw it 19:38 *** grantbow will have to watch some Meerkat Manor in 10.10's honor 19:38 < Flannel> For those of you who don't know, last weekend was this releases Global Jam, which is where teams get together all over the world to have Jams focusing on ... pretty much any topic imaginable. 19:39 < Flannel> We had three jams throughout the state, and this is our chance to reflect on what we did well this time, and what we can improve upon for next time. 19:39 < MarkDude> http://www.flickr.com/groups/westcoastubuntu/pool/ pics from Jono's event are here 19:39 < Flannel> Anyone want to Summarize the Friday Jam? 19:39 < Flannel> (and Sat/Sun will be next) 19:40 < Flannel> Did anyone here attend Friday's jam? this would've been the one at A'cuppa Tea in Berkeley 19:41 < mpontillo> I attended the Friday jam. I didn't feel like I got too much accomplished, but it was good to meet everyone. ;) Let me check my notes... 19:42 < grantbow> I attended - it was pretty casual but I think we learned quite a lot and had fun. I know I did. 19:42 < Flannel> mpontillo: "Amount of stuff done" isn't high on the rubrick for Jam success :) 19:42 < MarkDude> & Jono was nice enough to autograph the Penguin 19:42 < Flannel> What sort of topics were covered/learned? 19:43 < mpontillo> Grant was there. He was updating documentation most of the time I think? Jono was there and I contributed a couple lines of code to Acire, along with rww, Jack, Michael (two different Michaels), one of the zareason guys, Mark, and Jason 19:43 < grantbow> mpontillo: good summary, thanks 19:44 < mpontillo> sorry my notes are kind of sketchy ;) but there was some discussion here and there about how to make Ubuntu processes and contributing to Ubuntu better. I think this came out of it: http://www.jonobacon.org/2010/03/30/mergimus-making-patch-and-branch-review-easier-in-ubuntu/ 19:44 < grantbow> Earl was there from ZA reason 19:44 < grantbow> We had a great discussion near the end about Linux and education in western culture too. 19:44 < Flannel> Thanks mpontillo 19:44 < Flannel> and grantbow 19:44 < MarkDude> Courtney from Zareason & Gidget Kitchen was there also 19:45 < MarkDude> & Me 19:45 < Flannel> Anything that you think we could do better next time? 19:45 < MarkDude> Not have me 19:45 < mpontillo> grantbow asked me what I thought about the IRC sessions, and how to make them more useful - hence my comment today about feeding them back into the FAQs ;) 19:46 < grantbow> oh, a little different context but yes, I remember that conversation now. 19:46 < pleia2> fwiw there is also an effort to turn the IRC sessions into course work in Ubuntu Learning - but more volunteers are needed for that 19:46 < pleia2> (sorry, don't mean to detract :)) 19:46 < Flannel> pleia2: Which IRC sessions? 19:46 < mpontillo> For me - I think having a clearer answer to the question of "what can I work on today and make a difference" would be good. and I think tools like "Mergimus" (or whatever it will eventually be called) will help facilitate that 19:46 < pleia2> Flannel: UOW and the like 19:46 < Flannel> pleia2: the global jam ones? or some other sessions? gotcha 19:47 < Flannel> Anyone have anything else about Friday? 19:47 < grantbow> I learned about bughugger and - not Mergiumus but an extension of Nautilus named.... 19:48 < nhaines> grantbow: ground control? 19:48 < mpontillo> Eclipse you mean, I think 19:48 < grantbow> nhaines: that's it! 19:48 < nhaines> grantbow: haven't used it yet but it looks good. :) 19:49 < Flannel> Alright, so lets move on to Saturday's Jam at Chapman University in Orange 19:49 < mpontillo> here's a thought I had, along the lines of eclipse + ground control + mergimus: an Eclipse plug-in for ubuntu development! could be nice to have. maybe a plugin for Quickly, too. there was a little discussion about that in the morning 19:50 < mpontillo> (sorry - please continue on the Saturday topic - I need to leave anyway) ;) 19:50 < Flannel> mpontillo: Thanks for stopping by 19:50 < mpontillo> thanks, talk to you all later 19:51 < nhaines> Saturday was nice and casual. We met at Chapman University in Orange. Yasumoto wrote about it here: http://www.bjoli.com/linux/?p=45 19:51 < Flannel> We covered bugwork, both triage, and trying to track down package that a bug belongs to in the morning 19:52 < Flannel> and later on we walked Joe through setting up his blag on planet 19:52 < nhaines> And after dinner when it calmed down I worked on a lucid presentation. 19:52 < grantbow> s/blag/blog/ ? 19:53 < Flannel> grantbow: If you want to call it a "blog", yes. 19:53 < Flannel> When you're cruising the intertubes you happen upon a blag to read. Yes. 19:53 < nhaines> Then we forced Neal to play Portal except he's an engineer so it was no match for his mastery of physics and he beat it. 19:54 < pleia2> hehe 19:54 < grantbow> +1 for gaming 19:54 < seidos> is the meeting over? 19:54 < Flannel> Only a small bit of motion sickness, and mostly because of that crazy lag at the end 19:54 < Flannel> seidos: Nope, we're just at the "comment about the bugjam" section! 19:54 < nhaines> Yeah, never figured out what caused that. 19:54 < seidos> Flannel, cool 19:55 < Flannel> seidos: So, What did you like about it? what do you think we could do better in the future? 19:55 < nhaines> Anyway, last time it was an multiplayer Amagetron match, and this time it was spectator Portal. A good way to end a jam, IMO. 19:55 < grantbow> Flannel: all true gamers complain and blame it on the lag 19:55 < seidos> Flannel, not sure, haven't given it a single second's worth of thought 19:55 < Flannel> People in attendance were seidos, nhaines, Yosumoto, jbermudes, and myself. 19:55 < Flannel> seidos: Alright :) 19:55 < Flannel> Yasumoto, even. 19:56 < seidos> Flannel, oh, more people 19:56 < Flannel> seidos: Yeah, that's something I'd like to work on as well. Advertising and the like. We're trying some new things for Lucid release, so hopefully we can solve that issue. 19:57 < Flannel> nhaines: Anything else? 19:57 < seidos> Flannel, I'm gonna' go out on a limb and say actual software development would be pretty impressive 19:57 < nhaines> Nope! I think that about covers it. 19:58 < nhaines> seidos: that's always a possibility. It does require preexisting knowledge though. :) 19:58 < seidos> nhaines, well at least it's a possibility 19:58 < Flannel> Alright, we'll move on to Sunday's event, which was at Bobby G's pizza in Berkeley. 19:58 < Flannel> Anyone want to give a summary? 19:58 < pleia2> sure 19:59 < pleia2> some photos are up here: http://princessleia.com/journal/?p=2714 19:59 < pleia2> Bobby G's was great, free wifi and Jack got us set up with some reserved tables in a corner of the restaurant so we were easy to find, and they have good pizza 19:59 < grantbow> Oh, I will upload more photos soon. 20:00 < pleia2> jono ended up stopping by (we thought he'd be travelling) and was able to suppliment grant's bug handling presentation very well, even giving us some extra info about why certain things are done certain ways with bug control 20:00 < pleia2> also had Myrtti from Finland in attendance with her boyfriend, the leader of BALUG, leader of BerkeleyTIP 20:01 < grantbow> he co-presented actually which was great 20:01 < pleia2> so it was a great turnout of local groups too 20:01 < pleia2> I think we ended up having about 15 people 20:02 < pleia2> worked on the brochure that Jack sent to the list (even got some participating from this channel during the event :)) 20:02 < pleia2> then I did a short thing about finding and contributing to available help resources in ubuntu, my handout is here: http://people.ubuntu.com/~lyz/FindingHelpfulResources.pdf 20:03 < pleia2> grantbow: anything else? 20:03 < grantbow> Yes, Michael Paoli made it from buug.org and balug.org. A friend of mine Alex drove in from Bolinas. We did at least one Lucid install on Alex's machine. 20:03 < grantbow> pleia2: good summary! 20:04 < grantbow> Flannel: back to you. 20:04 < Flannel> Anyone else have any other comments about the jams? 20:05 < seidos> yeah I have something 20:05 < MarkDude> We need pics on the wiki 20:05 < seidos> lucid beta 1 turned out to be a disaster on my system :) 20:06 < nhaines> seidos: sorry to hear that! But just think--beta 2 comes out Thursday! 20:06 < grantbow> seidos: Sorry to hear that. I had a daily build die on me once but the two full installs of beta 1 I did were ok. 20:07 *** seidos is staying away from betas 20:07 < Flannel> I do have one thing that we discovered during/after the Jams, and that should be an easy fix in the future. We need to make sure we've got all the info for our events on our wiki. 20:07 < seidos> grantbow, my laptop doesn't seem to like the newer kernels 20:07 < Flannel> We had some issues with the newly-opened loco directory events thing, where some information was 'supposed' to be put on the other one, and such, and we wound up with no real central source of information 20:08 < pleia2> yeah, it took some work to keep everything updated for berkeley (loco directory, CA wiki, berkeley lug page) but it was vital to our successful turnout I think 20:08 < nhaines> pleia2: you said it. :) 20:08 < Flannel> It's just something we need to keep in mind, our project pages are the authoritative source of info, with the other places being pointers/advertisements/etc (this policy will also be useful to clear up ambiguities with old info, etc) 20:09 < Flannel> It's what we've always done, but with the loco directory thing some lines got crossed this time around :) 20:09 < grantbow> I almost forgot, at our Sun Berkeley Jam Jono filed this bug which is already fixed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/550516 20:10 < pleia2> grantbow: nice, I didn't see it was fixed! how fun :) 20:10 < MarkDude> Cool. 20:10 < Flannel> Anything else for Jam stuff? 20:10 < eps> Would someone please update https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/LucidGlobalJam appropriately? 20:11 < MarkDude> Policy? 20:11 < Flannel> eps: It'll be updated, yeah, for our portfolio 20:11 < grantbow> eps: are you volunteering? 20:11 < eps> I wasn't there this time around; doesn't seem appropriate. 20:12 < grantbow> eps: I'd be honored to accept your virtual contributions to the Jam! ;-) 20:12 < Flannel> eps: A lot of the updating is just 'paperwork' type stuff (with the summaries we do here, and such giving you the info). If you're interested, we can sit down with you and show you 20:12 < eps> Flannel: maybe next time 20:12 < Flannel> eps: Alright 20:13 < Flannel> With that, we'll move onto our last meeting topic for the evening, which is planning for Lucid 20:14 < Flannel> Last time I believe we discussed doing a "Tour of California" type thing for the events 20:14 < MarkDude> Is there a policy for the process of posting to the wiki >>> projects, etc? 20:14 < Flannel> MarkDude: What do you mean? 20:15 < MarkDude> You mentioned policy earlier - I was just wondering where it might be? 20:15 < Flannel> MarkDude: Our wiki is our authoritative place for event information 20:15 < MarkDude> <Flannel> It's just something we need to keep in mind, our project pages are the authoritative source of info, with the other places being pointers/advertisements/etc (this policy will also be useful to clear up ambiguities with old info, etc) 20:16 < MarkDude> & the way it can be posted to has not been clear 20:16 < Flannel> MarkDude: What? 20:16 < MarkDude> I was under the impression that you were going to define this 20:16 < nhaines> MarkDude: when details and plans are available, the wiki servs as the definitive source of information in the case of external resources. 20:16 < MarkDude> No policy - nevermind 20:17 *** seidos is confused 20:17 < Flannel> MarkDude: Did you need further clarification? or did that clear it up? 20:18 < nhaines> seidos: basically, we just need to make sure our internal resources are comprehensive and up-to-date in case the external ones aren't. :) 20:18 *** pleia2 nods 20:18 < grantbow> There have been references in many past meetings to documenting policies. 20:18 < MarkDude> And no policies on wiki posting have been done? 20:19 < seidos> nhaines, can you give me an example of an internal resource and an external resource? 20:19 < Flannel> MarkDude: It's the same as always. What sort of policies are you looking for? 20:19 < akk> A wiki with a posting policy? I don't think I've ever seen such a beast. :) 20:19 < MarkDude> Other locos just let members post to wiki- not here always 20:19 < Flannel> seidos: Loco Directory Event posting, facebook event posting, things like that. 20:19 < nhaines> seidos: internal resource = ML or wiki, and external is anything else. Twitter, LoCo directory, etc. 20:19 < MarkDude> akk - there are logs on it 20:19 < pleia2> at the very least, having a "remember to update these pages" is very very useful 20:19 < Flannel> MarkDude: Members are always welcome to post to the wiki 20:19 < seidos> ah twitter. we're on twitter? how in the world does that work? 20:20 < MarkDude> & how is membership defined? 20:20 < nhaines> seidos: it merely syndicates the identi.ca feed. 20:20 < pleia2> some teams have adopted this: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PennsylvaniaTeam/Administriva 20:20 < nhaines> (Which I think I forgot to update for tonight.) 20:20 < grantbow> Any resource has policies, formal or informal, internal or external. Sometimes there are reasons to write them down. 20:20 < seidos> nhaines, you lost me at identi.ca 20:20 < Flannel> MarkDude: This is getting offtopic, can we stick to the meeting? 20:20 < seidos> well identi.ca feed 20:20 < MarkDude> Thanks for the green light on the wiki Flannel ,,,, continue 20:20 < Flannel> MarkDude: If you'd like to get into this, I'd be happy to go over it again with you after the meeting 20:20 < MarkDude> My bad 20:21 < MarkDude> Were good 20:21 < MarkDude> I was mistaken , sry 20:21 < nhaines> MarkDude: please stop disrupting the meeting. 20:21 < Flannel> So, as we were saying, 20:22 < seidos> lol 20:22 < Flannel> Lucid is coming up at the end of the month, 20:22 < Torikun2> Yes! 20:22 < Flannel> and last time we were discussing a "Grand Tour of California" series of events 20:22 < grantbow> Planning for Lucid Launch Parities! 20:22 < nhaines> The idea was that we could plan a series of events, and then use one poster to advertise them. 20:22 < grantbow> Parties 20:23 *** seidos is still confused 20:23 < nhaines> grantbow: we're hoping for launch party parity? :) 20:23 < seidos> but it's okay, a state of perpetual confusion is good for the soul 20:23 < Flannel> I'm not sure if we should be doing this "weekend of" type release parties, or maybe a few weeks later type of install fest 20:23 < Flannel> A few week later opens up the possibility for pressed CDs 20:23 < grantbow> no need to choose - let's do both if we want! 20:23 < Torikun2> grantbow: good idea 20:24 < Torikun2> the more interaction, the better 20:24 < nhaines> I'm still a big fan of a "weekend of" release party that's food-oriented, and a later one that's more installfest-oriented. 20:24 < pleia2> nhaines: me too 20:24 < Flannel> grantbow: We don't need to choose, but we should probably focus our advertising on one or the other, otherwise we'll need two different posters, etc. 20:24 < akk> yay food :) 20:25 < grantbow> Flannel: need is a strong word - I totally agree on focusing for the advertising. 20:25 < Flannel> If we want to do both, I'm leaning towards "grand tour" for the installfests, since those posters will be able to reach out to new people in a way that'll let them learn more instead of just celebrate 20:25 < pleia2> I dunno, I would think the opposite - promote the party, tell people about installfests then 20:26 < pleia2> so they aren't bringing their expensive computers to strangers 20:26 < grantbow> depends on assumptions about the target audiences 20:26 < pleia2> true 20:26 < grantbow> might be different for different events too 20:26 < Flannel> pleia2: that's true. Although it's more difficult to showcase while at a food place and stuff 20:27 < pleia2> Flannel: I think it depends on the venue, I've had pretty successful release events with demos at restaurants with wifi 20:27 < pleia2> maybe not pubs :) 20:27 < grantbow> different kind of success at pubs ;-) 20:27 < akk> I've seen some really miserable attempts at outreach at coffee shops and restaurants. 20:28 < akk> Organizers tend to overestimate the space and underestimate noise level. 20:28 < nhaines> akk: +1 20:28 < Flannel> Yeah, we just have to make sure we're in a place someone can show up for a few minutes and get a feel for Ubuntu 20:28 < grantbow> akk: good point 20:28 < akk> (was just talking with OSM people about that at wherecamp today) 20:28 < pleia2> I think at such an event it's important to focus on the "fun" part and "oh yeah, wanna see it? I have it on my laptop over here.." 20:28 < Flannel> since worst-case is someone says "I'll stop by for a few minutes and check it out" 20:28 < pleia2> rather than formal demos and outreach to random passerbys 20:28 < akk> Even the "wanna see it?" part ends up being limited to one or two people 20:29 < akk> because coffee shops never have a table where lots of people can gather and everyone can hear 20:29 < akk> so most people end up on the periphery wondering why they bothered coming 20:29 < pleia2> well, we'd have a few key people doing rotating demos through the whole event 20:29 < Flannel> akk: You'd have to have enough of 'us' there to entertain multiple small groups, yeah. 20:30 < pleia2> lets you get social and friendly with a couple people who can ask direct questions, rather than a wide demo to everyone at once 20:31 < akk> It sounds great, but never seems to work out like that -- maybe it just needs a good organizer making sure people are distributed well 20:31 < seidos> I have an announcement, there's an ant on my laptop. It's big for a black ant 20:31 < Flannel> pleia2: Did you do en-masse demos at the installfests in PA? 20:31 < akk> and that it's clear who the experts are so people know who to gather around 20:31 < grantbow> the balance between staffing, venue, timing and focus is important to every event - there are multiple ways to succeed. 20:31 < seidos> venue is a running problem for these things 20:32 < nhaines> seidos: maybe it's a super ant that survived the quake. 20:32 < pleia2> Flannel: we did what I'm explaining, small personal demos on laptops 20:32 < pleia2> and name tags are essential :) 20:32 < Flannel> pleia2: Right, that's what we've done here too, an en-masse demo seems foreign, which is why I was asking :) 20:32 < akk> That last bit is a problem I've seen a lot. I think it helps to have some sort of "uniform" (badge, funny hat, distinctive t-shirt) so newbies know who can answer questions or show demos. 20:32 < seidos> I'm not sure if demoing ubuntu on my laptop is such a good idea. As long as I don't have to run on my battery it should be fine 20:33 < Flannel> akk: Yeah, we'll have that covered 20:33 < grantbow> akk: good ideas 20:34 < pleia2> akk: yeah, for PA name tags worked well since they were cheap and quick to whip up on the spot (and we could give blank "non-staff" ones to guests too) 20:34 < pleia2> just little stickers 20:34 < Flannel> pleia2: We've got printed ones, but giving stick-on-ones to visitors might not be a bad idea 20:34 < Flannel> If they're willing, of course 20:34 *** pleia2 nods 20:34 < akk> pleia2: I think little stickers would be fairly subtle, especially if guests got stickers too. 20:34 < grantbow> Flannel: can you post those on spreadubuntu or the wiki please? 20:35 *** seidos still has his badge from ubucon 20:35 < Flannel> grantbow: They're posted on nhaines's website 20:35 < pleia2> akk: it actually tended to work out ok 20:35 < akk> You need to be able to glance over and say "Oh, look, there's a table with an ubuntu person and an empty seat!" 20:35 < grantbow> Oh, I might have that url somewhere 20:35 < Flannel> I think they're linked from the wiki somewhere too... 20:35 < akk> pleia2: It doesn't here. Just sayin'. 20:35 < pleia2> ah ok 20:35 < akk> pleia2: I'm sure it depends on who's organizing things, and the layout of the place. 20:35 < akk> And noise level. 20:35 < pleia2> yeah 20:35 < grantbow> yeah 20:35 < nhaines> Flannel: and on Launchpad too! 20:35 < Flannel> grantbow: check out old SCaLEs, there's a paragraph on the page about signing up/signing CoC/getting a badge (with a link) 20:36 < grantbow> Flannel: thanks - I'll get the URL later 20:36 < MarkDude> Log is off? 20:37 < Flannel> MarkDude: If you mean "are we still in meeting", yes we're still in the meeting 20:37 < Flannel> So, from the looks of it, we like the tour-of-california idea, but we aren't sure if we should focus on installfests or release parties. 20:38 < nhaines> I think we should do the poster for the installfest stuff, and do our traditional advertising for the parties nearer launch. 20:38 < Flannel> Actually, this just popped into my head, if we're "touring" (with lots of locations over a wide area) it might be easier to set up release parties, 20:38 < nhaines> If we time it right, we can have lots of posters available at the parties. 20:38 < Flannel> with fewer more-centralized installfests later 20:39 < pleia2> good point 20:39 < pleia2> release parties are certainly less logistically challenging, more areas should be able to do them 20:39 < grantbow> pleia2: depends on if you have robots or not 20:39 < seidos> release parties vs what? 20:39 < pleia2> seidos: installfests 20:40 < seidos> hmmm, that makes sense 20:40 < MarkDude> The orbs wont be back from India for a while 20:40 < grantbow> that's what you said, yeah 20:41 < Flannel> pleia2: We'll have some attrition from people who are interested but never show up to installfest though (not that this is bad, but we do need to be ready to give good info during parties) 20:41 < Flannel> Would we have issues with posters and locations of businesses though? 20:42 < grantbow> Let's see, it's April 4th. Release is April 29th - installfests in mid May, right? what deadlines do we need to keep in mind? 20:42 < akk> I think it would be a shame to have lots of parties all over the state, but not many installfests where people could go and actually get ubuntu installed. 20:42 < Flannel> Putting "at [food place]" might not be entirely kosher with that food place 20:42 < seidos> the only thing that's necessary to make an release party an installfest is a cd 20:42 < seidos> or a usb flash drive 20:42 < DarkwingDuck> Flannel: Alot of times food places have a conference room area for things like this or buisness meetings 20:43 < seidos> oops I meant a release party, not an release party 20:43 < seidos> DarkwingDuck, don't they charge for that kind of thing 20:43 < pleia2> Flannel: yeah, I think a business should be given a heads up (maybe even ask permission for the gathering) 20:43 < DarkwingDuck> Allows the service of food with everything but it wont both the other people 20:43 < grantbow> who's going to print the posters? 20:43 < Flannel> pleia2: We may not have time for that 20:43 < MarkDude> Saxbys will allow any Open source posters at their location 20:43 < seidos> oh yeah, there's that Schechwan restaurant in Lomita, they had rooms for groups 20:44 < seidos> Lomita is not really in the middle of SD and LA though 20:44 < pleia2> or find out if someone on the team has ties to a location (thats how I've always seen things done) 20:44 < Flannel> Looks like there's still some questions and things that we need to consider further, 20:44 < grantbow> pleia2: I'm on the hunt for some venues - nothing firm yet 20:44 < Flannel> so lets move this to the ML, and try and come to a consensus about which way we want to go by next weekend 20:44 < pleia2> grantbow: cool 20:45 < pleia2> Flannel: +1 20:45 < grantbow> consensus on the advertising? Try to finalize plans so we know what to print? good idea. 20:45 < seidos> awww but I want it now 20:45 < nhaines> seidos: if you have it now you'll spoil your dinner. :) 20:46 < Flannel> grantbow: If we want to 'focus' on release parties, or installfests for postery things and stuff 20:46 < Flannel> Oh, that may not have been a question. 20:46 < seidos> rats 20:47 < Flannel> Alright, thank you all for coming. Have a nice remainder of your Sunday, watch out for those earthquakes, and see you at our next meeting which is... 20:47 < pleia2> thanks Flannel :) 20:47 < Flannel> April 18 at 7pm. And keep your eyes on the ML for the coninuation of this discussion and further planning discussion.