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   1 19:05 < jdeslip> Thanks for coming everyone who is here even though I forgot the announcement.  (pleia2 is going to kill me)
   2 19:05 < sn9> MarkDude: i think the zeroth item on the meeting agenda is whether there is a meeting
   3 19:05 < jdeslip> sn9: MarkDude: we do have one agenda item to at least bring to people's attention. So it is on.
   4 19:05 < MarkDude> Well we can start arguing about stuff- for old times sake :D
   5 19:05 *** MarkDude kids
   6 19:05 < rww> jdeslip: this action would be in line with other historical triumvirates
   7 19:05 < jdeslip> But first, let's start with announcements.  Anyone got any?
   8 19:06 < sn9> MarkDude: that's last
   9 19:06 < MarkDude> July 16th
  10 19:06 <        grantbow> sn9: short meetings are not a crime. Anyone who's present can participate. no quorum required.
  11 19:06 < MarkDude> Geeknic in Los Gatos
  12 19:06 < sn9> grantbow: old news
  13 19:06 *** MarkDude will email about it to ML and LUGS
  14 19:06 < jdeslip> sounds good
  15 19:06 < MarkDude> Lets argue about it G XD
  16 19:07 *** MarkDude likes quorums - lol
  17 19:07 < jdeslip> Any other announcements?
  18 19:07 < sn9> linuxpicnic?
  19 19:07 <        grantbow> Oregon events are soon. not sure who's going.
  20 19:07 < sn9> for august, that is
  21 19:07 <        grantbow> sn9: yes, good point
  22 19:07 < jdeslip> sn9: Ya, August 27
  23 19:08 < jdeslip> last year Ubuntu had a table there.  We should look into doing another one.
  24 19:08 <        grantbow> www.linuxpicnic.org
  25 19:08 < jdeslip> Ok, I'll add that as an agenda item for the next meeting (Linux picnic planning and registration)
  26 19:09 <        grantbow> great
  27 19:09 < jdeslip> So, we can a count of how many people are going and what we want to do
  28 19:10 < jdeslip> Ok, so our only agenda item for the meeting is to review our approval application here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/ApprovalApplication2011
  29 19:10 < MarkDude> Oh, Google+ rocks, bigtime
  30 19:10 < jdeslip> MarkDude: agreed on that count
  31 19:10 < jdeslip> Has anyone had a chance to review the application?
  32 19:10 < jdeslip> Any comments.
  33 19:11 < jdeslip> As it stands now, it looks pretty good to me.  But a few things are missing.  Long term goals for one.
  34 19:12 < MarkDude> besides lack of penguin pics- looks good
  35 19:12 < MarkDude> Nice and orderly- people did some great work on it
  36 19:12 < MarkDude> Nice job
  37 19:14 <        grantbow> I think goals would be useful.
  38 19:14 < jdeslip> agreed
  39 19:14 < jdeslip> Any suggestions?
  40 19:15 < seidos> hello, i for one would like to figure out a way to get excited about a project again
  41 19:15 < seidos> the only thing i can think of is propaganda
  42 19:15 <        grantbow> Perhaps the elected folks could talk and make a proposal or host a discussion.
  43 19:15 < seidos> creation of propaganda that is
  44 19:18 <        grantbow> Perhaps a call for suggestions on the mail list would get more input too.
  45 19:18 < rww> didn't we brainstorm goals last meeting?
  46 19:20 < jdeslip> rww: Yes I think so.  Perhaps it is time to just send suggestion to the mailing list and pick something.
  47 19:20 < jdeslip> I think the idea is to get the application off sometime in the next week or so
  48 19:20 <        grantbow> yes https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/11June19
  49 19:21 < jdeslip> I'll review the log with DarkwingDuck and pleia2, make a suggestion and send it to the list
  50 19:22 < jdeslip> Ok, so there is actually a second agenda item for the meeting that I missed.  Which is a suggestion by grant that we limit the addition of new topics to the meeting to 24 hours before the start
  51 19:22 *** MarkDude votes against such a thing as a rule
  52 19:22 < jdeslip> (i.e. you cannot add an agenda item less than 24 hours before the meeting) - I guess this would be more of a suggestion of courtesy rather than a hard rule.
  53 19:22 < MarkDude> A suggestion maybe
  54 19:23 < jdeslip> Is that correct Grant?
  55 19:23 <        grantbow> MarkDude: there's no voting and there's no rule. It's just text on the page describing.
  56 19:23 < MarkDude> There were a few time that a timely agenda item was the most fair way to deal with sumthin' IMHO
  57 19:23 <        grantbow> jdeslip, correct
  58 19:23 < MarkDude> I know G
  59 19:24 < jdeslip> As a suggestion, I don't see any problem with it.  As a hard-rule I guess it could be problematic (I could see people needing exceptions on occassion and we don't want to make it harder for new members to participate)
  60 19:24 <        grantbow> The reason I wrote it as I did was to make it a suggestion as I know that "life happens"
  61 19:25 < jdeslip> Anyone have any complaints about the text?
  62 19:25 < rww> I'd like something on the wiki along the lines of "Agenda items added within 24 hours of the meeting time may be postponed until the next meeting so that everyone has a chance to consider them."
  63 19:26 < sn9> seconded
  64 19:26 *** MarkDude thoughts were it should ONLY be for extraordinary circumsrtances
  65 19:26 <        grantbow> rww: sure
  66 19:26 < MarkDude> rww +1
  67 19:26 < MarkDude> I mean 99% of the time it is not good to do
  68 19:26 < jdeslip> rww: that seems fine to me too. If grantbow is happy with it as well.  We can go with that.
  69 19:26 < MarkDude> that 1% situation- another matter
  70 19:27 <        grantbow> rww: where on the wiki? in the meeting template as I had proposed?
  71 19:27 < seidos> is there anything presently stating that agenda items *can't* be postponed?
  72 19:27 < rww> grantbow: works for me
  73 19:27 < jdeslip> I think the meeting template makes the most sense.
  74 19:28 <        grantbow> partly this issue was raised again because a newcomer added something to the agenda last minute. Clarifying the expectations helps everyone.
  75 19:28 < jdeslip> seidos: No, but people might be a bit angry if their agenda item is postponed for no reason...
  76 19:29 < jdeslip> this is giving people fair warning I guess
  77 19:29 <        grantbow> rww: would you like to do the honors or should I?
  78 19:29 < MarkDude> Well leadership is reasonable here- I see them giving reasons (if needed) :)
  79 19:30 < rww> grantbow: I'm out of the loop on where that stuff is stored, go ahead.
  80 19:30 <        grantbow> ok
  81 19:30 < seidos> jdeslip: ah, it's a CYA kind of thing
  82 19:30 <        grantbow> anything else for this item?
  83 19:30 < jdeslip> OK, grantbow - I'll leave it up to you make the change that sounds reasonably close to the wording rww used
  84 19:31 < MarkDude> Make sure it is good, or I will put it in agenda at last minute
  85 19:31 < MarkDude> to be meta
  86 19:31 <        grantbow> jdeslip: I'll edit it tonight, thanks.
  87 19:31 < jdeslip> Anyone have any final announcements to make before we close this meeting?
  88 19:31 <        grantbow> lol
  89 19:31 < seidos> idea here
  90 19:32 < seidos> just thinking that sunday night is bad for me, well, during the school year
  91 19:32 < seidos> is the solution to that simply reviewing logs?
  92 19:32 < jdeslip> Ya, we have been talking about moving one of the Sunday meetings to another day of the week.
  93 19:32 < jdeslip> (Like on an every-other meeting basis)
  94 19:33 < jdeslip> But, I don't think we ever decided on anything and the talk died down.
  95 19:33 < seidos> hate to say it, but the meeting reeks of work
  96 19:33 < jdeslip> lol
  97 19:33 < MarkDude> :)
  98 19:33 < seidos> which is fine, but like, bad work, ya' know?
  99 19:34 < jdeslip> If you don't enjoy your time here, nothing is keeping you.  You are definitely free to review the logs.
 100 19:34 < seidos> like not dwarves whistling to work...but in a cubicle, joe vs. the volcano kind of work
 101 19:34 < MarkDude> lol
 102 19:34 < rww> I'm waiting for MarkDude to suggest we move meetings to Google+ Hangouts.
 103 19:34 < seidos> oh right, should've handed out party hats
 104 19:34 < jdeslip> And we do accept suggestions on improving things... but meetings are ... you know ... meetings
 105 19:34 *** seidos hands out party hats
 106 19:35 *** MarkDude is hanging out in + now-
 107 19:35 < MarkDude> actually more like lonely- with no takers to talk
 108 19:35 < rww> I know, my Stream keeps telling me.
 109 19:35 < seidos> jdeslip: understood
 110 19:35 *** seidos hands jdeslip a bat cowl
 111 19:36 < jdeslip> So, if you have suggestions on changing the day of the week or somehow otherwise improving the meeting, please make them. But, most importantly, spend your time whatever you want to spend it.  Have fun :)
 112 19:36 < jdeslip> Being involved in a community, working on code etc ... is a lot like work, but it is also something I find fun. Which is why I am here.
 113 19:37 < seidos> it can be fun
 114 19:37 < seidos> not trying to harsh your meeting
 115 19:37 < jdeslip> MarkDude: I tried to invite a bunch of people to G+ but the invites are closed still - once more people get on, I am sure you will be in hangout heaven
 116 19:37 < MarkDude> Well- seidos we can do a hangout on + sometime
 117 19:38 < seidos> MarkDude: right, whenever access is granted
 118 19:38 < jdeslip> OK, anyway, seidos, thanks for the feedback.
 119 19:38 < jdeslip> Anyone else got anything before we close?
 120 19:38 < MarkDude> Nope
 121 19:38 < jdeslip> ok, since MarkDude is qualified to answer for everyone, we will end there.