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Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification

The discussion about "Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification" started at 20:27.

  • Vote: Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification (Carried)

MyanmarTeam Re-verification

The discussion about "MyanmarTeam Re-verification" started at 21:05.

Vote results

Done items

  • (none)

People present (lines said)

  • kenvandine (47)
  • kyrofa (43)
  • elacheche (34)
  • gsilvapt (16)
  • meetingology (13)
  • nzoueidi (12)
  • wxl (1)

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  • 20:21 <kyrofa> #startmeeting LoCo Council Meeting, 20180108

    20:21 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jan 8 20:21:14 2018 UTC. The chair is kyrofa. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/meetingology.

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    20:21 <kyrofa> #chair kenvandine

    20:21 <meetingology> Current chairs: kenvandine kyrofa

    20:21 <kyrofa> #chair gsilvapt

    20:21 <meetingology> Current chairs: gsilvapt kenvandine kyrofa

    20:23 <kyrofa> In December's meeting, we had several re-verification applications to review. We requested more information from a few of them, and provided a two-month extension

    20:24 <kyrofa> Today we have two of those locos to review: Myanmar and Tunisia

    20:24 <kyrofa> Folks want to say hello for the minutes?

    20:25 <elacheche> o/ from Tunisia

    20:25 <nzoueidi> Hey from Tunisia too Smile :)

    20:25 <kenvandine> anyone from Myanmar?

    20:26 <kyrofa> Well, why don't we get started with Tunisia, then

    20:26 <gsilvapt> Hello everyone! And a happy to new year!

    20:27 <kyrofa> #topic Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification

    20:27 <elacheche> Hello folks gsilvapt kyrofa kenvandine, Happy New year, Ubuntu Tunisia is here represented by elacheche (LoCo Contact) & nzoueidi, firts of all, I'd like to apologize for missing last month's meeting, I was relaying on the Ubuntu Fridge calendar (http://ubuntu-news.org/calendars/) to remind me, it turned out that there was a bug in the date set on the calendar for the last month.

    20:28 <kenvandine> elacheche, no worries, glad you made it this month

    20:28 <elacheche> Smile :)

    20:28 <elacheche> Our ReVerificaton Wiki → https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TunisianTeam/ReVerificationApplication2017

    20:29 <elacheche> I'll be happy to openly answer your questions

    20:29 <gsilvapt> elacheche, yes, we actually have to apologize for that. In the meantime, we fixed that to avoid any more confusion and misleading information

    20:29 <elacheche> No worries Smile :)

    20:31 <nzoueidi> I appologize too to not make it the last time, I was stuck at work.

    20:31 <gsilvapt> elacheche, the section Scheduled Activities are things you want to start doing ASAP or you guys have already something running?

    20:32 <nzoueidi> gsilvapt: actually, I added that section. We are planning to do them asap, likewise, I started to prepare tasks related to that section

    20:33 <elacheche> Those are things we want to start asap

    20:33 <gsilvapt> Ok, thank you

    20:33 <elacheche> We need to work on re-stuffing too, as all old active members are no longer here due of life related things (work/family)

    20:33 <kenvandine> sorry, trying to familiarize myself with what we said last month Smile :)

    20:34 <kyrofa> kenvandine, haha, me too

    20:34 <kenvandine> elacheche, when is your next loco meeting?

    20:34 <kenvandine> it says 2011 Smile :)

    20:37 <elacheche> kenvandine: We didn't had a loco meeting for a while now, as I said, we were too many active members, and all of the active guys become busy at the same exact period, so for the last couple of years we were at least only 3 to manage the community, and no one answered meetings calls, so the 3 people around managed to keep the community running Smile :)

    20:37 <gsilvapt> elacheche, but do you have more people today?

    20:37 <elacheche> Our goal for the next few months is to get some fresh blood dudes involved more..

    20:38 <kenvandine> elacheche, do you have ideas for achieving that?

    20:38 <kyrofa> (note that verified locos are verified to _be_ active)

    20:39 <nzoueidi> Yeah, we are involved in the FOSS events that held in Tunisia, so we have a nice list to contact and getting them involved into the community

    20:39 <elacheche> me & nzoueidi are planning ways to make people more engaged with the community.. I think that I managed once to keep nzoueidi engaged and some other folks when they where free Big Grin :) And we will manage to help young new people to be more active

    20:40 <kyrofa> nzoueidi, do you have a timeline for accomplishing this?

    20:40 <elacheche> kyrofa: As you can see from the wiki page, we had multiple events during the last 2 years, it's real that the quantity is less than before, but still, we are also enhancing quality of the events

    20:41 <nzoueidi> No, I don't but I hope it is asap. I have friends that wanna involve. Keeping them as elacheche said is the hardest thing. But we are trying our best to boost the community Smile :)

    20:42 <kenvandine> i understand it's not easy

    20:44 <elacheche> Unfortuantely, people are used to the FB way of things, post something and wait for immidiate answer/result.. A community need engagment, and time to give you results/answers.. So most people don't want to be engaged, we tried to target FB folks once, and get the mto contribute, ZERO result..

    20:44 <kenvandine> :/

    20:44 <nzoueidi> Exactly, that's what I was going to say

    20:45 <elacheche> Other people are willing to contribute and make an engagement (moral).. And they don't expect immidiate results

    20:45 <elacheche> BTW, I may be talking about Ubuntu Tunisia, but, afaik, that applies to ALL other LoCos, based on my discussions with other folks during the last 2 years

    20:46 <kenvandine> elacheche, yeah, it's not an easy task

    20:47 <kenvandine> elacheche, interesting numbers from facebook

    20:47 <gsilvapt> Yes, getting new contributors is never an easy task in open source projects.

    20:47 <kenvandine> 11410 members of the facebook group

    20:48 <elacheche> kenvandine: Yep, most of them are "Read only" users unfortunately

    20:49 <elacheche> Most of them are very shy to ask quesztions in the group and they prefer to come to you in private and ask rather than posting in the ML or FB Sad :(

    20:49 <kyrofa> Our main criticism last month was that supporting documentation seemed to be pretty out of date. The last post on the team portal page was about 14.04, the latest "past event" I see on the wiki page is from 2008. We wanted to give you a few months to get that stuff into shape. You put yourself back on the agenda this month, although I don't feel like much has changed, honestly

    20:49 <kenvandine> elacheche, i see some good numbers for the events too, on facebook

    20:49 <kyrofa> Facebook is one area I cannot check, so I'll listen to kenvandine Smile :)

    20:50 <elacheche> kyrofa: I can explain that too x)

    20:50 <kenvandine> the meetup in feb 2017 had 49 that attended

    20:50 <kenvandine> not bad

    20:50 <kyrofa> Pretty darn good, really

    20:50 <kenvandine> yeah

    20:50 <elacheche> kenvandine: Those the recorded numbers, multiple persons don't record that

    20:51 <elacheche> We had events/workshops with more than that number!

    20:51 <kenvandine> right, those are the ones that marked it in FB

    20:51 <nzoueidi> kenvandine: sometimes you see that you have 100 participants of such an event on FB, but in reality you will find half of them

    20:51 <kenvandine> you only had two like that in 2017 though

    20:51 <kenvandine> but... i like that activity

    20:52 <elacheche> During SFD 2016 we had 5 workshops, each had at least 20 persons

    20:52 <gsilvapt> I gotta say I want to approve you guys but the fact you're running this on your own is not comforting although you guys actually do stuff

    20:52 <gsilvapt> "on your own"

    20:53 <kyrofa> elacheche, you mentioned you could explain the out-of-date information?

    20:53 <elacheche> gsilvapt: If we weren't engaged to keep this LoCo running even when we will long gone we will not be here today, after being doing this for our own for years..

    20:53 <elacheche> We believe that the next critical step is to "hire" new recruits, people with time and love to the community

    20:53 <elacheche> and teach & mentor them on how to contribute

    20:55 <elacheche> kyrofa: Yeah sure.. The whole 1st LoCo leaders were "very" demanding that they created too much wiki pages, the next team plan was to understand those pages then refactor them, but then, when it's time to refactor, everyone had an other new life to focus on.. So refactoring still a task to do so new folks can have easier wiki to understand and use

    20:56 <elacheche> About the events, I still track each event in a wiki page, but I always find myself not able to update the main events page because of time

    20:57 <elacheche> For the records, actually we have at least 290 Wiki pages

    20:57 <kenvandine> wow

    20:57 <kenvandine> that's a huge task

    20:58 <nzoueidi> yep :')

    20:58 <kenvandine> ok

    20:58 <kenvandine> shall we vote?

    20:58 <elacheche> And that's MY task, I engaged myself to do it when I have other people to take care of other important things!

    20:58 <gsilvapt> elacheche, one of your priorities should be to actually delete/organise that Big Grin :)

    20:58 <kenvandine> nothing wrong with deleting wiki pages Smile :)

    20:59 <elacheche> gsilvapt: I know, but I need to recruit people first, so they can take care of other things like preparing the events etc..

    20:59 <kyrofa> I think we have enough information to vote

    20:59 <elacheche> kenvandine: We like to keep the loco legacy, so new commers know how much other commited to the loco!

    20:59 <kenvandine> elacheche, understood

    21:00 <elacheche> Ubuntu Tunisia is not just a community, it's a community that have history, and will have a future, that's I'm sure of Smile :)

    21:00 <kyrofa> #vote Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification

    21:00 <meetingology> Please vote on: Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification

    21:00 <meetingology> Public votes can be registered by saying +1, +0 or -1 in channel, (for private voting, private message me with 'vote +1/-1/+0 #channelname)

    21:01 <kenvandine> vote +1

    21:01 <kenvandine> whoops

    21:01 <kenvandine> +1

    21:01 <meetingology> +1 received from kenvandine

    21:01 <kyrofa> Heh

    21:01 <kyrofa> +1

    21:01 <meetingology> +1 received from kyrofa

    21:02 <gsilvapt> +1

    21:02 <meetingology> +1 received from gsilvapt

    21:02 <gsilvapt> apologies for the delay

    21:02 <kyrofa> #endvote

    21:02 <meetingology> Voting ended on: Ubuntu Tunisia Re-verification

    21:02 <meetingology> Votes for:3 Votes against:0 Abstentions:0

    21:02 <meetingology> Motion carried

    21:03 <nzoueidi> Thanks you guys Smile :)

    21:03 <kenvandine> great

    21:04 <kyrofa> Congratulations elacheche nzoueidi! This wasn't the easiest call, but I know how difficult it is to carry a community. Try to execute your plan, get your membership up, share the load

    21:04 <kenvandine> anyone join from Myanmar Loco?

    21:04 <elacheche> Big Grin :) THANK YOU FOLKS! You have no idea how much happiness I feel right now.. This is a new checkpoint in our LoCo history

    21:04 <wxl> good job elacheche, nzoueidi, et al Smile :)

    21:04 <kyrofa> elacheche, please try to clean up the wiki

    21:04 <kenvandine> elacheche, time to get to work! :-D

    21:04 <kenvandine> elacheche, and congrats!

    21:04 <nzoueidi> We will kenvandine Big Grin :)

    21:04 <nzoueidi> Thanks again for all.

    21:04 <kenvandine> elacheche, nzoueidi and of course thanks so much for showing up today to discuss this

    21:04 <elacheche> Thanks wxl Smile :) sure folks! Smile :)

    21:05 <nzoueidi> o/ nighty

    21:05 <kyrofa> Alright, on to Myanmar

    21:05 <elacheche> Thanks again, good night folks Smile :)

    21:05 <kyrofa> #topic MyanmarTeam Re-verification

    21:06 <kyrofa> Night elacheche Smile :)

    21:06 <gsilvapt> thanks, elacheche and good luck

    21:06 <kyrofa> Alright, it seems no one is here from Myanmar, even though they put themselves on the agenda a month sooner than they needed to. Let's go off of their application alone

    21:07 <kyrofa> I still see no events in 2017

    21:08 <kyrofa> I don't really see any changes at all from our previous meeting

    21:09 <kenvandine> me either

    21:09 <kenvandine> and again nobody joined the meeting

    21:09 <kenvandine> they technically have another month

    21:09 <kyrofa> But they put themselves on the agenda anyway

    21:09 <kenvandine> true

    21:10 <kyrofa> If I was voting right now, I'd be -1. However, they have until next month. They could technically put themselves back on then

    21:11 <kyrofa> So perhaps we should just pretend it's not on the agenda, and if they don't follow though, they expire by default?

    21:11 <gsilvapt> Did they do any changes?

    21:11 <kyrofa> Doesn't look like it

    21:11 <kenvandine> no edits to the wiki page at all

    21:11 <gsilvapt> Hum, right

    21:11 <kenvandine> i think we just skip it

    21:11 <kyrofa> Yup

    21:11 <gsilvapt> Should we vote or skip it?

    21:11 <kenvandine> no point in voting yet

    21:12 <kenvandine> status hasn't changed since last month

    21:12 <gsilvapt> Hum, right

    21:13 <kyrofa> #agreed We'll skip Myanmar's re-verification since the application hasn't been updated and they have another month

    21:13 <kenvandine> +1 Smile :)

    21:13 <kyrofa> What. Come on meetingology

    21:13 <kenvandine> that is a command!

    21:14 <kyrofa> It worked?

    21:14 <kenvandine> no

    21:14 <kenvandine> i think it would have told us

    21:14 <kenvandine> but it should work

    21:14 <kyrofa> Yeah, it usually spams me

    21:14 <kenvandine> i think the log should be a valid record Smile :)

    21:14 <kyrofa> #agree We'll skip Myanmar's re-verification since the application hasn't been updated and they have another month

    21:14 <kyrofa> Darn

    21:14 <kyrofa> Okay, clear enough

    21:15 <kyrofa> That's all the items on our agenda for today, unless anyone has something else?

    21:17 <kyrofa> I'll assume no

    21:17 <kenvandine> +1

    21:17 <kyrofa> #endmeeting

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