Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2011-07-17

2011-07-17

2011-07-17 Meeting Minutes

The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

Old Business

Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU - Carried Forward
micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras - Carried Forward
GridCube to put together the "TOP 10" for Xubuntu
start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward
All teams need to review website content - Carried Forward
- insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
  - send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
  - charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com
  - post them and give us the URL
  - submit a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website

Team updates

Packaging & Development

merge of the newer xfce4-indicator-plugin release that fixes transparency in progress
firefox beta 1 is in Oneiric, beta 2 should get in next week
pavucontrol and pastebinit need to be added to the defaults
look at the possibility of adding midori as a second browser

Bug Triage & Testing

Testing had no images to test this week
Keep the bugs coming in, please
- We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot

Website & Marketing

beardygnome brought up the ability to add the Xfce news feed to the Xubuntu website.
- This seems like a very good idea, since Xubuntu is based on Xfce, and it would help to keep us informed of any changes being planned.
All teams need to review website content
- insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
we're testing the imgcapt plugin, please contact knome for information

Artwork

finished the compact xfwm4 theme (good as alternative for netbooks etc., 18px height instead of 24px)
added full support for compiz (emerald and metacity themes)
looking into gtk3 again in oneiric, will need to write a gtk3 specific version of the theme
there's a git-repo for greybird
- https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird
can't themes be added to a ppa so when an update to the theme is done we can see it on the update manager?

Documentation

We need someone that can go through the wiki documentation and update it.

Announcements

The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-07-25 at 19:00 UTC
Important dates coming up:
- 10.04.3 Release: July 21, 2011
- We will not be releasing 10.04.3, but will be involved with testing Ubuntu.
- 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
- 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
- 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
- UDS-P will be in Orlando, Florida the week of October 31 - Nov 4. Please apply for sponsorship by August 24.
- UDS-P information at http://ubuntu-news.org/2011/07/15/ubuntu-developer-summit-sponsorship-now-open-2/

Any Other Business

running other distributions and answering help requests in #xubuntu
- too many are now receiving answers of "I don't use Xubuntu, and can't really help with that"
- Xubuntu users will now use !behelpful on a line by itself to help notify those individuals that their comments are not appropriate.
to subscribe to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, go to
- https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/xubuntu-devel
Meeting log
Thanks to the efforts of AlanBell, we now have a bot to record the meeting

Action items for the 2011-07-17 meeting

GridCube to put together a top 10 FAQ for the website
GridCube and Unit193 to get screenshots for the website
GridCube to start a review on the xubuntu-devel ML for gimp

Xubuntu Governance

The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu Governance & Team Structure

2011-07-17 Meeting Log

Meeting started by charlie-tca at 22:01:18 UTC. The full logs are available at http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-17-22.01.log.html

People present (lines said)

charlie-tca (168)
ochosi (62)
GridCube (44)
beardygnome (25)
micahg (18)
meetingology (12)
Unit193 (5)
mr_pouit (5)
ubottu (4)

Full Log

22:01:18 <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
22:01:18 <meetingology> Meeting started Sun Jul 17 22:01:18 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
22:01:18 <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
22:01:50 <GridCube>
22:01:54 <charlie-tca> The full agenda for today's meeting is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
22:02:24 <charlie-tca> we will be following :
22:02:25 <charlie-tca> * Old business
22:02:28 <charlie-tca> * Team updates
22:02:30 <charlie-tca> * Packaging & Development
22:02:32 <charlie-tca> * Bug Triage & Testing
22:02:34 <charlie-tca> * Website & Marketing
22:02:36 <charlie-tca> * Artwork
22:02:38 <charlie-tca> * Documentation
22:02:40 <charlie-tca> * Announcements
22:02:42 <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
22:02:44 <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business
22:02:52 <charlie-tca> and, in the interests of being common, we will try
22:02:54 <charlie-tca> Reminder: please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
22:02:56 <charlie-tca> again
22:03:19 <charlie-tca> [topic] === Old Business ===
22:03:19 <meetingology> TOPIC: === Old Business ===
22:03:44 <charlie-tca> * micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras - Carried Forward
22:03:50 <charlie-tca> any change?
22:04:01 <micahg> nope
22:04:18 <charlie-tca> this week?
22:04:43 <charlie-tca> GridCube: go ahead and put together your best effort top 10, please
22:04:51 <micahg> charlie-tca: yes
22:05:14 <GridCube> ok will do it as soon as i get pass my exams
22:05:15 <charlie-tca> [ACTION] GridCube to put together a top 10 FAQ for the website
22:05:15 * meetingology GridCube to put together a top 10 FAQ for the website
22:05:38 <charlie-tca> * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward
22:05:39 <GridCube> (that be next week)
22:05:49 <charlie-tca> any action of the reviews?
22:06:04 <GridCube> charlie-tca, can i ask what "Carried Foward" means?
22:06:25 <charlie-tca> means we did not do it yet
22:06:33 <GridCube> oh, okay
22:06:52 <charlie-tca> ochosi: go ahead and remove app finder from the launcher. Seems to be the only change I know of
22:07:34 <charlie-tca> * All teams need to review website content - Carried Forward
22:07:36 <charlie-tca> * insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
22:07:38 <charlie-tca> * send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
22:07:40 <charlie-tca> * charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com
22:07:42 <charlie-tca> * post them and give us the URL
22:07:43 <ochosi> charlie-tca: what exactly do you mean?
22:07:44 <charlie-tca> * submit a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website
22:07:46 <charlie-tca> Have done all the reviews?
22:08:11 <charlie-tca> you wanted a review of the launchers. Let's remove app finder from the launcher panel
22:08:29 <ochosi> ah ok, well but you're aware of the fact that appfinder and xfrun will be merged?
22:08:43 <ochosi> (or are already merged in fact iirc)
22:08:44 <charlie-tca> I don't know if anyone else uses it, but I find snapshot to be most helpful in the panel
22:09:01 <charlie-tca> what will that merge do?
22:09:04 <ochosi> https://wiki.xfce.org/design/appfinder
22:09:27 <charlie-tca> doesn't xfrun get run with Alt+F2?
22:09:29 <ochosi> i know it's a bit of a long read
22:09:36 <beardygnome> charlie-tca: what's snapshot? a screen capture app?
22:09:41 <charlie-tca> yup
22:09:48 <ochosi> yes, but now with alt+f2 you'll get something almost as cool as gnome-do
22:10:06 <ochosi> you can start apps with autocomplete and you can expand the small launcher to get categories
22:10:17 <charlie-tca> I have no idea what gnome-do is, so that didn't help
22:10:26 <beardygnome> ochosi: that's coming in xfce 4.10 right?
22:10:28 <ochosi> i already tried it here (think the separate git-branch recently got merged)
22:10:38 <charlie-tca> how is that going to matter if application finder is in the launcher panel?
22:10:57 <ochosi> beardygnome: well that's not really how xfce's release policy is working. they're doing individual components' releases now
22:11:24 <beardygnome> so the merged app will be in 11.10?
22:11:26 <ochosi> charlie-tca: it's just a bit of a different application now and i wanted to ask whether those doing the review where taking this into account, that's all
22:11:33 <ochosi> beardygnome: that's what i'd assume
22:12:08 <beardygnome> cool, i might then be able to ditch gnome-do....
22:12:12 <charlie-tca> right now, to take a screenshot, you open Menu -> Accessories -> Screenshot. I find it much more convenient to click a launcher on my panels
22:12:34 <beardygnome> charlie-tca: what about "Print Screen"?
22:12:38 <charlie-tca> ochosi: you never sent the email to the ML for the review
22:13:01 <charlie-tca> I can never remember the keypresses I want. I guess screenshot is fine the way it is
22:13:15 <ochosi> charlie-tca: yeah sorry, forgot about that
22:13:21 <charlie-tca> * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward
22:13:33 <beardygnome> charlie-tca: "Print Screen" opens screenshot for me
22:13:37 <charlie-tca> well, then we are doing the review, right/
22:13:55 <beardygnome> which is quicker than a panel button imo
22:14:18 <charlie-tca> without knowing all the ins and outs of the chagnes, and referring to something I never use, it is really hard to discuss intelligently.
22:14:53 <charlie-tca> I do remember something about xfrun gonna be more like gnome-do, now. IT made as much sense then as it does now.
22:15:06 <charlie-tca> without knowing gnome-do, that was a pretty worthless message to me
22:15:30 <ochosi> charlie-tca: i don't mind if the majority thinks appfinder should be removed from there. i just wanted to let you know about the changes and if you (or those who are doing the review) want to know the details i guess it'd be best to read the wikipage i linked to
22:15:35 <charlie-tca> any other changes we want to make to the panels?
22:16:19 <charlie-tca> any questions so far?
22:16:31 <charlie-tca> ochosi: sounds like it is all good
22:16:38 <ochosi> k
22:16:46 <charlie-tca> Has everyone reviewed the website?
22:17:07 <GridCube> no, not really
22:17:20 <beardygnome> charlie-tca: are there plans to add more news items?
22:17:24 <charlie-tca> Let's get that done this week, please
22:17:39 <charlie-tca> yes, if someone writes them, beardygnome
22:18:07 <beardygnome> could we pull in news from xfce or ubuntu, for example?
22:18:15 <charlie-tca> We would like all the content there now reviewed, to make sure it is up-to-date and pertinent
22:18:47 <charlie-tca> We won't pull from Ubuntu, since that is alll on the planet feed already
22:18:58 <charlie-tca> pleia2: around?
22:19:05 <charlie-tca> knome: here?
22:19:18 <GridCube> I wonder, would that "up to date" be LTS or 11.04?
22:19:25 <charlie-tca> we will make a note to get an answer, beardygnome
22:19:42 <charlie-tca> I think pulling from Xfce would be interesting, myself.
22:19:49 <charlie-tca> both, GridCube
22:20:05 <charlie-tca> They apply to different audiences, but both would be current
22:20:06 <GridCube> ok
22:20:16 <GridCube> that makes sense
22:20:22 <Unit193> As has been noted, we need new screenshots for upgrades
22:20:33 <GridCube> i still use 10.04
22:20:42 <charlie-tca> Can anybody get us good screenshots?
22:20:56 <charlie-tca> looking for a volunteer here...
22:21:00 <GridCube> i can give you screenshot of 10.04 whit greybird
22:21:04 <Unit193> I don't know about "good", but I can do one in a VM
22:21:14 <ochosi> charlie-tca: what kind of screenshots do you want/need?
22:21:14 <beardygnome> do they have to be stock xubuntu?
22:21:27 <charlie-tca> yes, since that is the product
22:21:54 <charlie-tca> ochosi: replace bluebird on the website?
22:22:01 <GridCube> oh, whats the "stock" theme for 10.04?
22:22:11 <GridCube> albatros?
22:22:12 <ochosi> charlie-tca: where exactly?
22:22:12 <charlie-tca> I don't know
22:22:24 <charlie-tca> where ever pleia2 wants them
22:22:32 <ochosi> hm, i think i already did that tbh
22:22:39 <ochosi> greybird is on the front-page and the tour
22:22:50 <ochosi> those are the screenshots that pleia2 requested back then
22:22:51 <GridCube> i can do a few screenshots of 10.04 whit standard themes, and whit up to date greybird too
22:22:56 <beardygnome> I could do some screenshots from a vm, but my installs are pretty customised
22:23:33 <charlie-tca> Unit193: any idea?
22:23:44 <ochosi> i just looked through the website a bit and i can
22:23:51 <ochosi> 't find any not up-to-date screenshots
22:24:11 <beardygnome> do you want comments to the ML?
22:24:15 <charlie-tca> I think they removed a few, because they were so out of date, but I tend to stay away
22:24:19 <charlie-tca> beardygnome: for?
22:24:24 <charlie-tca> yes
22:24:28 <beardygnome> the website?
22:24:43 <Unit193> charlie-tca: http://xubuntu.org/getubuntu will tell you how to upgrade with old screenshots
22:24:44 <charlie-tca> as posted above, I will put the ways to send comments in the minutes, too
22:25:05 <charlie-tca> GridCube: apparently, not 10.04
22:25:22 <charlie-tca> ochosi: note Unit193's comment?
22:25:26 <ochosi> Unit193: hm, true. yeah i guess those should be replaced (even if it's not a usability isse)
22:25:31 <GridCube> as said i can screenshot the update manager asking me to update to 10.10
22:25:46 <charlie-tca> It does reflect on the project, overall, though.
22:26:09 <Unit193> If you want 10.10 > 11.04, I can install it in a VM
22:26:48 <charlie-tca> I think 10.10 to 11.04, since that is the current release
22:27:06 <charlie-tca> or shoot both and let pleia2 decide what to use
22:27:24 <charlie-tca> [ACTION] GridCube and Unit193 to get screenshots for the website
22:27:24 * meetingology GridCube and Unit193 to get screenshots for the website
22:27:41 <GridCube> oh, also im on a spañish setup :/ don't know if that changes things
22:27:48 <charlie-tca> only the words
22:27:58 <GridCube> oh, well then i will do it
22:28:33 <charlie-tca> Any other discussion / questions on anything covered so far?
22:28:34 <Unit193> Bug #784158
22:28:36 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 784158 in Xubuntu Website "xubuntu.org/getubuntu has old screenshots" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/784158
22:28:59 <GridCube> i want to ask something to ochosi regerding the themes
22:29:20 <charlie-tca> old business or new?
22:29:25 <GridCube> new
22:29:34 <charlie-tca> let's hold it for artwork then, okay?
22:29:37 <GridCube> ok
22:29:56 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] === Team updates ===
22:29:56 <meetingology> TOPIC: === Team updates ===
22:30:08 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Packaging and Development
22:30:08 <meetingology> TOPIC: Packaging and Development
22:30:15 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: your turn, please
22:30:29 <mr_pouit> eh, so nothing new this week
22:30:44 <GridCube> o/
22:30:45 <mr_pouit> waiting on some uploads to happen (x11-common)
22:30:52 <charlie-tca> GridCube: go ahead
22:31:07 <GridCube> can we change gimp to something smaller/simplier?
22:31:13 <mr_pouit> (merge of the newer xfce4-indicator-plugin release that fixes transparency in progress)
22:31:44 <charlie-tca> That's important!
22:31:48 <ochosi> mr_pouit: i'm also looking forward to the new session-menu/action-buttons merge
22:32:12 <charlie-tca> GridCube: you can send that one to the mailing list with suggestions as to what to use?
22:32:23 <GridCube> oh okay
22:32:33 <GridCube> i propose gnu paint
22:33:07 <charlie-tca> ML - SUBJECT possible change from gimp
22:33:16 <GridCube>
22:33:24 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit: go ahead
22:34:37 <mr_pouit> sorry, that's all :p
22:35:03 <charlie-tca> I will say thank you to both micahg and mr_pouit for all their work getting Oneiric together.
22:35:13 <charlie-tca> This is going to a fun ride...
22:35:14 <GridCube> i second
22:35:46 <micahg> mr_pouit: well, we're down to 1 rdepend on libnotify1, which should get sorted this week (transmission -> 2.32)
22:36:01 <charlie-tca> Thank you, mr_pouit.
22:36:10 <charlie-tca> any questions for development?
22:36:46 <mr_pouit> micahg: yay
22:37:18 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage & Testing
22:37:18 <meetingology> TOPIC: Bug Triage & Testing
22:37:33 <charlie-tca> Testing had a bad week, since there were images until Thursday
22:37:51 <charlie-tca> We will try to pick up again this week
22:38:38 <charlie-tca> I am going to skip Website and Marketing for now
22:38:44 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Artwork
22:38:44 <meetingology> TOPIC: Artwork
22:38:55 <charlie-tca> ochosi: your the person!
22:38:55 <ochosi> hmkay, guess it's my turn
22:39:05 <ochosi> last week was pretty productive
22:39:13 <ochosi> i tackled a few things on my todo-list
22:39:17 <ochosi> mostly window-manager related
22:39:44 <ochosi> * finished the compact xfwm4 theme (good as alternative for netbooks etc., 18px height instead of 24px)
22:40:01 <ochosi> * added full support for compiz (emerald and metacity themes)
22:40:23 <ochosi> i also looked into gtk3 again in oneiric, have a working install here now. but tbh it's still pretty much a mess
22:40:34 <ochosi> the unico engine seems unfinished and buggy
22:40:47 <ochosi> i guess i'll postpone doing a real gtk3 port of greybird to some later stage
22:41:08 <charlie-tca> ochosi: nice news post
22:41:17 <GridCube> very nice indeed
22:41:33 <ochosi> i also wrote a short blog article on shimmerproject.org
22:41:51 <ochosi> if xubuntu.org gets easier to handle i can crosspost those kinds of articles there as well
22:42:08 <charlie-tca> We still have hopes
22:42:13 <ochosi>
22:42:16 <micahg> ochosi: keep in mind that ideally for release, we should have a GTK3 theme so that we have a uniform look for all the apps (GTK2 & GTK3)
22:42:35 <ochosi> micahg: it's hard to not keep that in mind if you're really testing oneiric
22:42:37 <charlie-tca> Will we have to ship two themes, then?
22:42:50 <ochosi> charlie-tca: no, it'll all be in the greybird-folder/package
22:43:04 <charlie-tca> we are washing out some of the plugins in the panel, now
22:43:06 <micahg> charlie-tca: no, the desktop team has a gateway that can use a GTK3 theme in GTK2
22:43:13 <ochosi> charlie-tca: but on a technical level, yes, it will be two different themes (doubling the maintenance work for me )
22:43:16 <charlie-tca> timer, clipman
22:43:21 <micahg> ochosi: no, it shouldn't
22:43:32 <ochosi> micahg: a gateway?
22:43:39 <beardygnome> charlie-tca: washing out? 22:43:39 * micahg forgets what it's called
22:43:50 <charlie-tca> making them invisible again, beardygnome
22:44:01 <micahg> ochosi: some type of theme proxy
22:44:14 <ochosi> micahg: well, let me know about this, it sounds interesting (but also a bit scary)
22:44:16 <beardygnome> so they appear in the indicator plugin instead?
22:44:26 <ochosi> micahg: can't really imagine something like this will 100% work
22:44:29 <charlie-tca> they don't appear, just take up space
22:44:53 <charlie-tca> ochosi: I did see something on that. I just don't remember where
22:44:55 <micahg> ochosi: well, the desktop team needed it since not everything will be ported to GTK3
22:45:15 <ochosi> micahg: but they have a working gtk2 theme which they're porting to gtk3, so they can easily ship both
22:45:38 <micahg> ochosi: the plan is to have 1 GTK3 that GTK2&3 apps use last I checked
22:46:03 <ochosi> micahg: ok, interesting. i can ask luca about that. at the moment they're still shipping both
22:46:12 <charlie-tca> We are keeping in mind that we are staying in gtk2 for this release, right?
22:46:29 <micahg> yes, but some of the shared desktop apps will be GTK3
22:47:48 <ochosi> tbh if i have a working gtk2 theme and i port it to gtk3 i won't drop the working gtk2 theme for some "proxy"-solution, at least not in the short run
22:48:02 <ochosi> it'll hardly look the same anyway
22:48:03 <charlie-tca> Thank you
22:48:10 <micahg> ochosi: it should look the same, that's the goal
22:48:44 <ochosi> micahg: well unless it uses the pixmap engine it's hard to believe for me, but i'm open for good surprises
22:49:05 <ochosi> but anyway, if anyone hears any details on this, please let me know
22:49:18 <charlie-tca> okay, can we move on and discuss this when we get actual references to look at?
22:49:32 <charlie-tca> GridCube: did you have a question about art?
22:49:37 <GridCube> My question was this, can't themes be added to a ppa so when an update to the theme is done we can see it on the update manager?
22:50:32 <charlie-tca> ochosi: ??
22:50:51 <ochosi> sry, i'm back
22:50:56 <charlie-tca> is it a lot of work adding themes to the ppa?
22:51:13 <ochosi> yeah, well actually this is planned already
22:51:18 <ochosi> mr_pouit ^
22:51:26 <GridCube> oh okay
22:51:33 <ochosi> it seems we just haven't gotten round to it
22:51:49 <GridCube> and then what about my whislist bug 800918
22:51:50 <ochosi> and when i say "we", i mean the "royal we" (== mr_pouit)
22:51:50 <ubottu> Launchpad bug 800918 in xubuntu-default-settings (Ubuntu) "Some wallpaper/backdrops ideas" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/800918
22:52:18 <charlie-tca> We need to add these kind of bugs to the bug list
22:52:43 <ochosi> GridCube: i read and second that bugreport, but i think it should be done upstream or at least in coop with upstream
22:52:53 <ochosi> GridCube: and it needs a coder (which i am not)
22:53:08 <charlie-tca> Any bugs we want to be able to track easy, regardless of priority can be added to
22:53:10 <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot
22:53:32 <GridCube> well i just wanted to bring that up again
22:53:44 <ochosi> k, one last word on artwork, then i'm done:
22:53:47 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit has been busy just trying to get us sessions working
22:53:57 <charlie-tca> ..
22:54:37 <ochosi> it's possible that the gtk-theme will change again slightly as soon as i start to work seriously on the gtk3 port. in my opinion it's really important that they look the same, so it's possible i need to change some things again
22:54:50 <ochosi> so please be open for discussion and friendly about it
22:56:14 <charlie-tca> (..) ??
22:56:18 <GridCube>
22:56:31 <ochosi> that's it. that's all
22:56:42 <charlie-tca> Thank you, ochosi
22:56:54 <charlie-tca> You have been very busy this last week!
22:57:10 <charlie-tca> Any other questions for Artwork?
22:57:28 <GridCube> not from me
22:57:38 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC]
22:57:38 <meetingology> TOPIC:
22:57:44 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements
22:57:44 <meetingology> TOPIC: Announcements
22:58:03 <charlie-tca> I have a feew things here, so I will try to go too fast
22:58:22 <charlie-tca> * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-25 at 19:00 UTC
22:58:24 <charlie-tca> * Important dates coming up:
22:58:39 <charlie-tca> * 10.04.3 Release: July 21, 2011
22:58:53 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
22:59:07 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
22:59:10 <beardygnome> charlie-tca: shouldn't the next meeting be on a monday?
22:59:23 <charlie-tca> * 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
22:59:31 <beardygnome> i thought we were alternating?
22:59:40 <micahg> 7-25 is a monday
22:59:42 <charlie-tca> That is monday
23:00:13 <charlie-tca> * The next meeting will be on Monday, 2011-07-25 at 19:00 UTC
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23:00:48 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
23:00:48 <meetingology> TOPIC: Any Other Business
23:01:07 <charlie-tca> This is the chance to bring up all the stuff we haven't brought up yet
23:01:25 <GridCube> again, nothing from me
23:01:38 <micahg> is Firefox 6 in oneiric interesting?
23:01:41 <charlie-tca> I am seeing a rather disturbing thing happening in #xubuntu
23:01:45 <charlie-tca> sure, micahg
23:02:05 <micahg> beta 1 is in, beta 2 should get in next week
23:02:08 <micahg> s/next/this/
23:02:12 <GridCube> whats whit firefox numbering?
23:02:26 <ochosi> charlie-tca: what are you seeing in #xubuntu?
23:02:33 <charlie-tca> too many are now receiving answers of "I don't use Xubuntu, and can't really help with that"
23:02:47 <micahg> GridCube: similar versioning to Chromium, major bump every 6 weeks
23:02:55 <charlie-tca> If a user is coming to #xubuntu, they should expect to get xubuntu support.
23:03:03 <micahg> charlie-tca: why are those people idling in #xubuntu then?
23:03:12 <charlie-tca> any suggestions how to deal with this, other than flat out banning those users?
23:03:24 <GridCube> yes i've seen that once or twice
23:03:25 <charlie-tca> I am wondering the same things
23:03:28 <beardygnome> o/
23:03:34 <charlie-tca> go ahead
23:03:39 <charlie-tca> beardygnome:
23:03:47 <beardygnome> whenever some says that, we could ask them why they are in the channel
23:04:13 <beardygnome> and suggest to them that it is not helpful to other users to state that they can't help
23:04:21 <charlie-tca> good suggestion
23:04:33 <beardygnome> they *may* have a valid reason for idling in the room
23:04:35 <ochosi> charlie-tca: you could add a bot-action for that
23:04:42 <charlie-tca> I would like to see the channel ops watching for that, also
23:04:42 <ochosi> that would make it easier
23:04:45 <GridCube> yes we could have an ubottu responce for that too
23:04:51 <charlie-tca> good idea
23:05:11 <beardygnome> they shouldn't get involved if they have nothing to add
23:05:30 <GridCube> something like "if you are not an xubuntu user, please don't advertise it on this channel"?
23:05:33 <charlie-tca> let's add one, since those users seem to speak up often now
23:06:10 <charlie-tca> more like "Please do not disrupt the channel with off-topic subjects. If you are using Xubuntu, you are not helping this user." ?
23:06:50 <charlie-tca> I don't really know how to word it, but I think it is quite serious.
23:06:53 <GridCube> >if you are *not* using
23:07:14 <GridCube> i agree charlie-tca
23:07:16 <charlie-tca> well, yeah, *not*
23:07:17 <beardygnome> +1
23:08:02 <charlie-tca> Okay, name for that?
23:08:10 <charlie-tca> maybe ! notxubuntu?
23:08:23 <GridCube> maybe !nothelping
23:08:32 <GridCube> because they are not
23:08:33 <charlie-tca> sure, I like that
23:08:36 <beardygnome> +1
23:08:45 <charlie-tca> anyone else?
23:09:19 <GridCube> nope
23:09:19 <ochosi> yeah, just don't make it a very strong suggestion to shut up
23:09:46 <charlie-tca> well, it gets them banned in #ubuntu
23:10:04 <charlie-tca> !topic
23:10:04 <ubottu> Please read the channel topic whenever you enter, as it contains important information. To view it at any time after joining, simply type /topic
23:10:14 <charlie-tca> I can't remember what it is now
23:10:23 <charlie-tca> !offtopic
23:10:23 <ubottu> #xubuntu is the Xubuntu support channel, #xubuntu-devel for discussion regarding development of Xubuntu, and #xubuntu-offtopic is for random chatter. Welcome!
23:10:42 <charlie-tca> anyway, are we okay with the suggestion, then?
23:10:55 <beardygnome> i am
23:11:09 <charlie-tca> if they continue, I suggesting calling ops and having them removed for offtopic discussions, myself.
23:12:07 <charlie-tca> Okay, then. Any other discussions?
23:12:36 <charlie-tca> Thanks for attending the meeting.
23:12:44 <GridCube> thank you
23:12:51 <charlie-tca> Your inputs are always welcome, whether in person or by email
23:12:57 <charlie-tca> #endmeeting