CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/09April05

19:09 < Flannel> Welcome everyone to our first meeting in April.  We (well, Ubuntu) has a lot of stuff going on in April.  So, lets get started.
19:09 < Flannel> Our Agenda for the evening can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Meetings/09April05
19:10 < Flannel> Hmm, and it seems my edits earlier never got applied.  That agenda isn't in the order we're going to go.  We'll follow the one on the email I sent out.  But all the topics are there.
19:10 < troyready> (sorry; got distracted; hello all)
19:11 < Flannel> So, that is: Gutsy EOL, OSCON, Jaunty Release, LoCo Approval (and other housekeeping stuff), User Group Contacts
19:12 < Flannel> If anyone has more to add, feel free to do so at any time.
19:12 < rww> yay, my addition got promoted to first place :)
19:12 < Flannel> So, our first topic is mostly a PSA.
19:12 < Flannel> Gutsy (7.10) is going EOL (End of Life) in the middle of this month, on the 18th.
19:13 < Flannel> Which means it won't be supported anymore (no more updates) and soon thereafter the repos will be taken down off of the mirrors, and moved to the archives.
19:13 < rww> There's a nice summary on the Ubuntu site at http://www.ubuntu.com/news/ubuntu-7.10-eol, if you'd like something to bookmark.
19:14 < Flannel> If you're still running a Gutsy machine, it's time to upgrade to Hardy.  Which happens to be a LTS.
19:14 < Flannel> (And since youre on Gutsy still, LTS is likely what you want to stick to)
19:14 < sn9> i need to upgrade a feisty shortly
19:15 < rampageai> Next LTS is 10.04, right?
19:15 < Flannel> Even after the EOL (and everything's taken down) it's still possible to upgrade, it just is a little more involved.  This goes for even older versions too.  Having to do with old-releases.ubuntu.com and other details we won't get into.
19:15 < rww> rampageai: yeah
19:15 < nhaines> rampageai: correct.
19:15 < Flannel> The next scheduled LTS is 10.04, yes.
19:15 < rww> sn9: You'll want to go Feisty > Gutsy > Hardy
19:15 < Grantbow> a nice graph of support timeframes is at http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/146
19:15 < sn9> and then to jaunty indirectly
19:15 < nhaines> 10.04 will be out for one year before Hardy EOLs.  So there's plenty of time to make sure 10.04 LTS is stable and ready.
19:16 < rampageai> That is nice.
19:16 < Flannel> Desktop EOL that is.
19:16 < Flannel> Servers are two more years after that (yes, 6.06 is supported for a year after 10.04 comes out)
19:16 < jercos> man, i remember dapper drake...
19:17 < jercos> those were the days :D
19:17 < Kai_> the memories
19:17 < Torikun> Dapper: THe distro that let me switch 100% to Linux.
19:17 < Flannel> Anyway, if you have more specific questions about random upgrades, stick around afterwards.
19:17 < Flannel> Our next topic is OSCON.  I think we've decided that OSCON is something we're interested in having a booth at.
19:18 < Flannel> Unfortunately Joe isn't here to give us specifics about how far we are in actually registering for one.
19:18 < Flannel> Actually, I guess interest is something we figured out last time.  Manpower is something we've figured out since then.
19:19  * Grantbow nods
19:19 < Flannel> So, we will have a booth (assuming all the red tape goes well).  I'm... not up on the specifics.  Does anyone know how big they are/etc?
19:19 < sn9_> [4/6/2009 2:16:34 AM] <rampageai> That is nice.
19:19 < sn9_> [4/6/2009 2:18:07 AM] * Disconnected (Connection reset by peer).
19:19 < sn9_> what'd i miss?
19:19 < Flannel> sn9_: I'll give you a pastebin
19:20 < Grantbow> someone will be posting a log too
19:20 < Grantbow> afterward
19:20 < Flannel> sn9: http://paste.ubuntu.com/145243/
19:21 < rww> Flannel: 10'x10' booths
19:21 < HammerHead66> ï»¿Flannel: it's in san jose right?
19:22 < jbermudes> sounds like fun
19:22 < rww> Flannel: that's according to the Exhibitor prospectus
19:22 < Flannel> HammerHead66: OSCON is in San Jose this year, yes.
19:22 < Flannel> And there is no Ubuntu Live this year either.
19:22 < Flannel> rww: Thanks.
19:22 < rww> HammerHead66: Sam Jose McEnery Convention Center
19:22 < Grantbow> This page will be evolving - please add info if it's missing.  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/OSCON2009
19:22 < Flannel> So, our booth is a bit larger than SCaLE.  Which means... well, we've got more to play with.
19:23 < Flannel> Grantbow: Lets not do sign ups just yet.  It's still a bit away and people won't really be able to commit firmly
19:23 < Flannel> Let alone we don't know what well be doing.
19:23 < HammerHead66> ï»¿rww:ty for the name
19:23 < Grantbow> It was a take-away from Scale7x discussions - I'll move the singnup to a secondary page if you like.
19:24 < Flannel> At this point, we're looking for booth ideas.
19:24 < rww> I was thinking that, since we don't have many events up in North California, and Joe's GPG key is signed by some of the South California people, it might be a good idea to do a little keysigning among the booth volunteers.
19:24 < Flannel> Grantbow: Oh right.  Yeah, well definately want it, but not yet.  Just comment it out for the moment.
19:24 < jbermudes> buntustand!
19:24 < Grantbow> kk
19:24 < Flannel> Grantbow: Likely a month to six weeks beforehand.
19:25 < Flannel> Yeah, we'll have CDs (which includes a working buntustand),
19:25 < Flannel> do we want demo computers?  I've never been to OSCON, is that really something people would get something out of?
19:25 < Flannel> Maybe we can ask the list/people who have been to one in the past.
19:26 < rampageai> Is there something else like an Ubuntu newsletter that would be available for sign-up?
19:26 < rww> rampageai: for the California LoCo? https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-ca
19:26 < Flannel> We obviously have some time to think about it.  We don't have to pin things down tonight (and our suggestions tonigh don't have to be sane)
19:26 < rampageai> That could work
19:26 < Flannel> well, there's also UWN
19:27 < Flannel> that's not really mailed out though.  But, I think they do have an annouce list.
19:27 < rww> Flannel: they use the ubuntu-news list
19:27 < Grantbow> there's an email version - I got one today.
19:28 < Flannel> So, some sort of sign up list(s) for things.
19:28 < rampageai> It's sort of an "action" someone can take to be more involved.
19:28 < Flannel> alright, well... keep thinking about it.  Feel free to post crazy ideas to the list.
19:29 < Flannel> rampageai: So, more for our LoCo?
19:29 < Flannel> If we can't use [crazy idea] for OSCON, we can always use it in the future.
19:29 < rampageai> Flannel: maybe it's just so that people have a way to be involved.
19:30 < Grantbow> our mail list should be able to serve that purpose, shouldn't it?
19:30 < nhaines> We can advertise ubuntu-announce.
19:30 < Flannel> If they want to be more involved, a LoCo is definately one place to point them, yes.  Perhaps not just ours though.  People do come from all over.
19:31 < Flannel> (we can have them include a state/country on the sign up, and forward it appropriately)
19:31 < Flannel> but we probably should hone it down to one or two things for them to sign up for.  too many pieces of paper creates confusion.
19:32 < Flannel> So, think about what would be most interesting and useful to people who would visit us.  And we'll revisit this, and the rest of it.
19:32 < Grantbow> oh, for oscon attendees, ok
19:32 < Flannel> Yeah.
19:33 < Flannel> We can put what's most useful to *us* out there, but if no one bites, its not really useful to anyone.
19:34 < Grantbow> Unfortunately I haven't attended one before either so I don't know first hand what the crowd will be like.  Good to think about.
19:34 < rampageai> If they have pitchforks it could be bad.
19:34 < Flannel> So, we'll talk about it on the list?  I know a few of our readers have been there before.
19:34 < HammerHead66> lol
19:34 < Flannel> rampageai: What's wrong with BSD?
19:34 < rww> The prospectus I mentioned earlier has statistics on attendees. It's marketingspeak to a certain point, but might be useful.
19:34 < Grantbow> rww: yup
19:35 < Flannel> rww: That's a good thing to know and look into, yeah.
19:35 < rampageai> Flannel: True. I was on OpenBSD before Ubuntu.
19:35 < Flannel> Alright, so... moving on to... Jaunty Release stuff.
19:36 < Flannel> So far we have a total of zero suggestions for locations for our party in the south.
19:36 < Flannel> Is it just that no one really cares where we do it? or have we decided we don't want to?
19:36 < nhaines> I suggested http://www.peiwei.com/ as a good food location.  It's like PF Changs but cheaper.
19:36 < sn9> antarctica. sorry, just had to say that
19:36 < Flannel> nhaines: did I miss that email?
19:36 < Flannel> sn9: I approve!
19:37  * rww didn't get it either
19:37 < Grantbow> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/JauntyRelease
19:37 < nhaines> Flannel: I at least told Joe.  :)
19:37 < Flannel> nhaines: ah!  Secrets!
19:38 < Flannel> Alright, so, we've got one location.  That's a good start.
19:38 < rww> Grantbow: speaking of which, do you know what/where the "Gidget Kitchen Community Technology Center" is (under the WC party)?
19:38 < troyready> no preference here, in case I'm not around
19:38 < nhaines> Seal Beach, Irvine, and Lake Forest all have one.  Plus there are many others.
19:38 < Grantbow> rww: another Tech group - a few facebook people who will be there.
19:38 < rww> ah, facebook. that explains thing.
19:39 < rww> s/thing/things/
19:39 < Grantbow> I didn't see the co-hosted thing until just now = might have to fix that.
19:39 < Flannel> Alright, and as I understand it, a location/date/etc has been set for our north thing.  Grantbow, want to say something?
19:39 < Grantbow> I'll follow up.
19:39 < Grantbow> Two north dates are set
19:39 < Grantbow> one more may follow near Santa Cruz
19:39 < Grantbow> details on the wiki page
19:39 < Grantbow> one is San Francisco, one is Walnut Creek.
19:40 < Grantbow> that's the basics, Flannel.
19:40 < Flannel> Grantbow: And the one in SF, what all is going to go on?
19:40 < rww> Would it be helpful to make a signup list, so we know how many people are going to be at each one?
19:41 < Grantbow> Flannel: I haven't talked to Jesse yet, I'll report back next week on SF.
19:41 < Flannel> Grantbow: Who is Jesse?
19:41 < Grantbow> The events are pretty informal, I don't think sign ups will be needed.
19:42 < Grantbow> Jesse Zbikowksi who announced the meeting on our mail list.
19:42 < nhaines> Which mailing list?
19:42 < Flannel> Did I miss another email?
19:43 < Grantbow> finding url
19:43 < Grantbow> odd, he must have mailed me - I'll report on that next week too.
19:44 < Flannel> Alright.  Anyway.
19:44 < Flannel> Keep those suggestions rolling in!  Althugh, if you don't... asian food is good for me!
19:45 < Flannel> It's coming up in... what, 18 days?
19:45 < rww> Flannel: yeah
19:45 < Flannel> Whew.  Faster than ever.
19:45 < Flannel> Anyone else have anything for Jaunty festivities?
19:46 < Flannel> Alright, so.  our next topic is LoCo Approval!
19:46 < Flannel> I know a whole lot of progress has been made so far on our Wiki cleanup.
19:46 < Flannel> Most, if not all, of our Meetings now have summaries.
19:47 < rww> Meeting stuff (summaries, archive pages, etc.) will be done before the next meeting.
19:47 < Flannel> I'd like to recognize rww, who has taken that task on.  Which is quite monumental.
19:47 < nhaines> rww: you are amazing.  Thanks so much.  :)
19:47 < Grantbow> rww: thank you!
19:47 < HammerHead66> ï»¿rww: claps
19:47 < Flannel> I know others have helped out with various other things as well.
19:47  * troyready claps
19:48 < rampageai> thanks!
19:48 < rampageai> (too)
19:48 < Flannel> I know Grantbow took care of the projects page and made it pretty.
19:48 < Flannel> And... yeah, I'm not going to ennumerate, since there's so much.
19:49 < Flannel> But, we've still got a lot to do.
19:49 < Grantbow> It's getting there there's more to do for sure.
19:49 < Grantbow> Another housekeeping item on the wiki agenda but not in your email is refreshing the front wiki page.  Scale7x has concluded and the goals look like they need a refresh.
19:49 < Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/ToDoList has a (mostly current) list of things.
19:49 < Flannel> Including the front page ;)
19:50 < Grantbow> kk
19:50 < Flannel> I agree that SCaLE can be taken off (and OSCON put on)
19:51 < Flannel> As well as a blurb about Jaunty.
19:51 < rww> The concept of "wiki one-a-week" came up in a meeting a while ago. If everyone does a little every week, that'd help a lot with keeping e.g. the front page up to date.
19:52 < Flannel> rww: +1
19:52 < Flannel> I know Joe and Nathan and I have to get together and compile our pictures to document all the stuff we've done so far.
19:52 < Grantbow> we need the Karma Supybot plugin one of these days to record the +1's
19:52 < Flannel> and anyone else, of course, but I know we've got pictures.
19:52 < nhaines> Oh yeah, pictures.
19:53 < Flannel> yeah.  Documenting the things we've done is another key task in approval.
19:53 < Grantbow> pictures, excellent
19:53 < Flannel> Cleaning everything up is... mostly just for our own respectability :)
19:54 < Flannel> Anyway, keep up the good work everyone! (or: now's a great time to start if you want to learn all about the wiki)
19:54 < rww> Grantbow and I were listening in on the #ubuntu-us meeting the other day. Documentation is a very, very, very good thing to have for the approval process.
19:54 < Grantbow> yes, it's on the todo list as well
19:55 < Grantbow> too bad my Internet got cut off when I was at web2expo this week
19:57 < Flannel> So, in conclusion.  Help out!  If you don't have time right then to fix a problem you see, at the very least, check the toDoList and add it if its not already there.
19:57 < Grantbow> +1
19:57 < Flannel> Keeping that list up to date is just as important as fixing them.
19:57 < Flannel> Now, last topic (so far) for the evening:
19:57 < Flannel> User Group Contacts
19:58 < Flannel> Some of you may remember this, we talked about it oh, so long ago.
19:58  * Secutor is back.
19:59 < Flannel> Basically, we're trying to keep proper communication channels open with all the UGs (LUGs and other various user groups) in the state.
20:00 < Flannel> This got swept aside when we started sprinting for SCaLE, but it's a really good endeavor, especially this time of year, with most groups planning their summer speakers.
20:00 < Flannel> We've had a lot of success speaking at groups in the past, and would love to continue, but as far as I know, don't have any lined up this year.
20:01 < rww> Peninsula LUG in the South bay area is looking for a speaker for August. I'm going to be talking to them and seeing if I can get us in for that.
20:01 < rww> If anyone wants to co-present with me, that'd be awesome.
20:01 < nhaines> We have a few experienced speakers with a varied range of interests.  So if a LUG needs a speaker on any topic, we can definitely cover it.
20:01 < rww> (I know it's probably too far from now to commit, though.)
20:01 < nhaines> rww: congrats.  :)
20:01 < Flannel> If you are unsure how to approach a group/person/etc about this, feel free to ask (not now, but later) and we can help.
20:02 < Flannel> They don't have to be your LUG, or even in your general area (although that is a plus)
20:02 < Grantbow> I've refined the sections on "Why Contact LUGs" and what we can offer them.  A simple way to participate, especially in more remote parts of our state, is to simply show up at a LUG with a few burned Ubuntu copies.
20:02 < Grantbow> Please send feedback to the mail list.
20:02 < Flannel> oh, right.
20:02 < Flannel> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UserGroupContacts
20:03 < Grantbow> I've added four LUGs that we haven't visited yet to the ToDoList as well.
20:03 < Grantbow> at the bottom
20:03 < Grantbow> fosug.org, cvale.org, sclug.usc.edu and cplug.org
20:03 < Flannel> and actually, (just like to do list), this page https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CaliforniaTeam/Projects/UserGroupContacts/Groups 
20:03 < Flannel> is also important, if you know of a LUG in CA that isn't on that list, add it if you get a chance.
20:03 < rww> Speaking of CDs, do we have an inventory of how many Intrepid CDs we have right now? We might want to look into handing them out before Jaunty comes.
20:03 < rampageai> Is one of those a Caltech LUG?
20:04 < nhaines> Did we have many left over from SCaLE?
20:04 < Flannel> SGVLUG is CalTech, yeah.
20:04 < nhaines> I have 15 intrepid CDs.
20:04 < Flannel> We have that ~1 full box still.
20:04 < Flannel> We had ~2 boxes, and already distributed 1 to various persons in this channel.
20:04 < Flannel> For further distribution.
20:04 < Grantbow> Jaunty release is close, get them out there soon :-)
20:05 < Flannel> Boxes are... I'd guess 80 or so?
20:06 < Flannel> They'll still be relevant after Jaunty is released.
20:06 < Flannel> I wouldn't feel comfortable handing someone a Jaunty CD on release day  if its their first time using Linux (for at least two weeks)
20:06 < rww> True. I imagine many people wouldn't want the absolute-newest release, in case of bugs, problems, etc.
20:06 < rampageai> Maybe Hardy?
20:06 < rww> and the Intrepid > Jaunty upgrade is relatively painless, in my experience.
20:07 < Grantbow> even a few weeks after Jaunty is pretty soon
20:07 < Flannel> I agree.  So, obviously, they're still relevant.
20:07 < Flannel> rampageai: If they want new, Intrepid is good, because the its an easy upgrade.
20:07 < Flannel> Anyway, we're off topic slightly.
20:08 < nhaines> heh
20:08 < Flannel> But, I think that topic was done anyway.
20:08 < Flannel> Anyone have anything else to say/add/whatnot about the UGC initiative?
20:08 < Flannel> Feel free to ask for help if you're interested later (or anytime).
20:09 < Flannel> And, with that, anyone have anything else for our meeting?
20:09 < rww> Flannel: this is skipping back a bit, but what's the timeframe for the LoCo approval process? A few months from now, end of this year, etc?
20:10 < Flannel> rww: Few months would be great as a target.  But we won't rush it.
20:10 < Flannel> That is, we won't apply before we're ready.
20:10 < Flannel> but as a goal, I'd love to be approved for Karmic.
20:10 < nhaines> Flannel: we sure haven't so far!  ;)
20:11 < Grantbow> Karmic seems doable
20:11 < Flannel> That is, approved, and with a shipment of CDs, for Karmic.
20:11 < rww> That'd be excellent. I think we could have the wiki cleaned up in plenty of time for that, too.
20:12 < Grantbow> it's coming along nicely
20:12 < Flannel> Alright.  Keep the gears in your head spinning coming up with ideas for OSCON.  And send them to the mailing list!  No crazy ideas will be denied!
20:12 < Flannel> With that said, Thank you all for coming.  Jaunty parties are only a little bit away.  See you all in two weeks, on April 19th.

Sunday, April 5th, 2009, 7:00pm (1900) PDT

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