February 9th, 2010, 13:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
Link to previous meeting
Action Items from January 12th, 2009
JamieBennett to complete imx51 backportng documentation on boot-speed.
- cooloney to investigate lucid kernel patches that may need back-porting.
ericm and NCommander to investigate what causes the gnome-panel crash/restart cycle.
- cooloney to ping fsl for more reliable chip rev checking method.
- cooloney to ping fsl about suspend.
NCommander to investigate ericm's xorg naming bug.
- Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
- Any Other Business
- [dmart] Discuss possibility of a Thumb-2 porting mini-sprint
- ericm to smoke-test dove images to confirm that the gnome-panel crashes have now been fixed.
persia to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time.
- StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring.
- StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386
asac to blog about the new ARM 2D netbook launcher UI.
JamieBennett to blog about the Casper speed-up work done for the live-cd images.
asac to file mov related Thumb2 bugs and assign them to the team.
asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute
cooloney informed the team that he had continued work on the backporting of Lucid kernel patches. He noted that some were merged such as modules.builtin and he would continue work on the ubuntu/ directory and AppArmor as soon as it was available. He also indicated that he was working on USB and ethernet issues (such as bug #457878) on iMX51.
- Gnome-Panel crashes that the team had been seeing on recent images was reported to be fixed. ericm was given an action item to smoke test the Dove image as he is the only one with hardware. plars indicated that he had tested hardware at the sprint but further testing was needed.
- cooloney confirmed that our chip revision discovery method is the correct one after talking with Freescale.
persia took an action item to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time.
asac lead the talk into the current status of the teams work item burndown chart: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html. StevenK mentioned the mobile-lucid-arm-une spec was blocked on other specs and that he would talk to seb about the gnome-games spec later.
- The size of the current ARM images was discussed. Dove was currently at 491MB and iMX51 at 520MB. The team decided to pack the remaining space with more language packs nearer the final release date.
plars reported that he had setup a place for pairwise testing on iso tracker (http://pairwise.qa.ubuntu.com/) and sent information to the mailing list.
JamieBennett informed the team that the default UI for ARM has now been switched to the 2D launcher which uses EFL libraries. Initial indications are good on the performance of the new UI but there are a few bugs. asac committed to blogging about the new UI.
Work on the FTBFS list continued. dyfet and asac mentioned they were working on mov related items. asac committed to filing mov related bugs and assigning them to the team. NCommander noted that now python-qt4 was fixed, the list should be in a better shape.
- Talk of a Mobile Team mini Thumb2 sprint nearer the beta-2 release date was initiated by dmart, the team thought it would be a good idea.
- ian_brasil detailed the current state of Ubuntu Liquid remix. It was deemed not read for the Lucid timeframe but the team would continue to package dependencies in universe where possible and where not, into a ppa ready for Lucid+1.
Jamie Bennett (JamieBennett)
- Ubuntu platform sprint, great to work face-to-face with the team.
- Managed to finish off the 2D launcher spec and now we have a great looking UI in the images.
- Testing and filed bugs against the new 2D UI.
- Worked on finishing up the Casper speed-up spec. Managed to finish it with cjwatson's help and now live images are booting 33% faster.
- Worked on office webservice integration for ARM UNE.
- Team discussions and other unspecified work.
- Bug hunting, general Ubuntu work, spec monitoring and UI/Casper regressions.
Alexander Sack ([[AlexanderSack|asac]])
- work with dyfet on boost thumb2 porting; sponsored
- ported evolution-data-server to thumb2
- ported mono to thumb2
- investigated mono breakage due to ulimit limit on builders; tried to tweak ulimit on jocote; mono fails in other places
- discuss mono bindings for indicator-applet with kenvandine; seems we won't get rid of it in short term
work with JamieBennett on office webservice integration for arm une
- work on UI for email webservice integration for arm une
- participate debugging of thumb2 dove bugs during sprint
- work on thunderbird 3.0 with micahg
- coordinate update of thunderbird-locales
- evaluate issues with orig.tar.gz creation for tbird tags using mozclient
- connman update for debian/ubuntu
Emmet Hikory ([[EmmetHikory|persia]])
- Extend mk-sbuild-lv and pbuilder-dist to support easy emulated building on armel with common tools
Package and test support for DisplayLink USB video devices for use as projectors or form-factor testing on other hardware
Steve Kowalik (StevenK)
- Successfully built armel images for UNE, and disable ubuntu-desktop images for armel.
- Work with the desktop team in terms of UNE seed changes for armel.
- Discuss changes with the DX team, in terms of failures of new components to build on armel.
Michael Casadevall ([[MichaelCasadevall|NCommander]])
- Did X0 stability testing on both old and new kernel
- Debugging APT counters running backwards on Dove
- Worked with Marvell in debugging and creation of a silicon patch that makes VFP behavior consistent across all ARM architectures
- Tested UNE-2D on Dove/X0
- Confirmed vldr execution hang bug didn't exist on X0 as best as possible
- likewise-open porting continues (although limited work due to sprint and Marvell dove testing)
- Confirmed that X0 is image-compatible with Y0/Y1
- Rebuilt armel apport retracers
Oliver Grawert ([[OliverGrawert|ogra]])
- sprint travelling
- work on rootstock offline image builder:
- add support for manifest (packagelist) file
- add get_vm_kernel function to use the packaged versatile kernel from archive
- add package caching options for complete offline mode after first run
- change user/password handling to default to use oem-config on first boot of an image instead of hardcoding them at image creation
- create a tasksel gtk ui to be included in teh rootstock-gui project
- drop debootsrap version checks and various obsolete code bits
- switch to noninteractive debian frontend (will get preseed file support soon too)
- move locale handling to read /etc/default/locale from host instead of env
- update documentation
- lots of FTBFS givebacks
- redboot update to latest freescale drop (now that we decided to not go with uboot)
- various image tests for babbage (imx51)
- finish rootstock gui
- finish work on oem-config integration in rootstock
- add preseed file support to rootstock
- turn non FF critical items of rootstock into bugs for proper tracking
- finish the two remaining powermanagement spec tasks (check pm-utils scripts, collect idle power stats, the latter depends on vendors shipping info and might extend beyond FF)
Paul Larson (plars)
- Narrowed down bug #412959 to -O1 triggering the problem, and this now has a workaround in the package
- Fixed the pybootchart gui crash on armel
- Tested lots of kernels on Dove to see if bugs were fixed by them
- Tested a new kernel on imx51
- Made some progress on the suspend/resume blueprint
- Activated pairwise tests on iso tracker, sent email to ubuntu-mobile mailing list announcing the project
- Packaged moserial, and uploaded to revu
- sent a man page and some other changes to upstream maintainer, which he has already integrated
- Add the new netbook armel images to iso tracker before Alpha 3
- Transition the pairwise testing to a new iso tracker for that explicit purpose
- Work on suspend/resume blueprint
- Helped Michael with narrowing down the apt counter issue.
- Worked with Emmett on the lsb-lib testing. Implemented the changes recommended by the the engineers at the Linux Foundation.
- Met with several team members outside Mobile that were looking for tools to stress the processor, given my testing background at Intel.
- Gathered up all of the Marvel systems to make return shipping easier (and to make it easier for the team flying home).
- Preliminary testing of new UNE image.
- While I wait for info to return the Marvel boards, I will utilize them to enable more testing and lsb-lib development. So far they have proven good enough for this task.
- Switching testing modes from desktop to UNE.
Get OLVER and T2C testing fixed and running on karmic & lucid.
- Resolved arm alternate media blueprint and built preliminary canola2 lucid package
- Resolved some ftbfs including boost
- Tried qemu-static-arm from lucid, still lacks support needed for x86 pbuilder
- Worked on libv4l and Marvell specific issues
- Arm porting issues for thumb2 and arm ftbfs issues
- Some small improvement in canola2 package for submission
12:58 < cooloney> just in time 12:58 < NCommander> give me a moment to get setup 12:58 -!- dmart [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:58 * NCommander just got his laptop powered on 12:59 < NCommander> morning dmart 12:59 < NCommander> ugh 12:59 < NCommander> the wiki is timing out 12:59 < NCommander> can someone post the wiki page? 12:59 -!- Pici [~Pici@ubuntu/member/pdpc.professional.pici] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:00 -!- davidm [~davidm@2002:60e2:dcf0:0:213:2ff:fe24:d56a] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:00 -!- Pici [~Pici@ubuntu/member/pdpc.professional.pici] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:00 < asac> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100209#preview 13:00 < MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100209#preview 13:00 < asac> oops 13:00 < asac> well 13:00 < asac> ;) 13:00 < asac> review doesnt hurt 13:01 < NCommander> thanks asac 13:01 < NCommander> ugh 13:01 < dmart> [LINK] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/372469/ 13:01 < MootBot> LINK received: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/372469/ 13:01 -!- breinera [~breinera@emperor.NebrWesleyan.edu] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:01 < dmart> Oh, did the preview link work? 13:01 < NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review 13:01 < asac> JamieBennett: GrueMaster: ogra: ping 13:01 < MootBot> New Topic: Action Item Review 13:01 < ogra> moop 13:01 < NCommander> hey ogra 13:02 * NCommander is lagging very badly 13:02 < JamieBennett> ere 13:02 * asac tries to find ericm 13:02 < NCommander> [topic] * JamieBennett to complete imx51 backportng documentation on 13:02 < MootBot> New Topic: * JamieBennett to complete imx51 backportng documentation on 13:02 < NCommander> boot-speed. 13:02 < JamieBennett> I suck 13:02 < JamieBennett> need to do that still 13:02 < NCommander> [topic] cooloney to investigate lucid kernel patches that may need back-porting. 13:02 < MootBot> New Topic: cooloney to investigate lucid kernel patches that may need back-porting. 13:03 < ogra> i think thats mostly implemented now 13:03 < asac> yes 13:03 < ogra> and we had a meeting where he presented a list 13:03 < asac> cooloney: ? 13:03 < asac> anything you still have in the pipeline for the backports? 13:03 -!- DavidLevin [~email@example.com] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:03 < cooloney> asac: i think some of them were merged 13:04 < cooloney> and uploaded 13:04 < ogra> today, yes 13:04 < cooloney> such as modules.builtin 13:04 < asac> cooloney: whats left? 13:04 < cooloney> populate_rootfs 13:04 < asac> or is all done? 13:04 * ogra is eager to see todays kernel :) 13:04 < cooloney> ubuntu/ directory changes will be next 13:04 -!- Lure [~quassel@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:04 < ogra> i thought there were no relevant ones 13:05 < ogra> at least thats what i got in the meeting 13:05 < cooloney> and AppArmor as soon as jj provide the git tree 13:05 < cooloney> ogra: right, 13:05 < ogra> so lets leave that out 13:05 < ogra> which means only AA left 13:05 < NCommander> [topic] ericm and NCommander to investigate what causes the gnome-panel crash/restart cycle. 13:05 < MootBot> New Topic: ericm and NCommander to investigate what causes the gnome-panel crash/restart cycle. 13:05 < cooloney> all the candidates were listed in the wiki page 13:05 < NCommander> oops, sorry 13:06 < asac> i think thats all fixed by our kernel patch 13:06 < asac> (gnome-panel etc.) 13:06 < ogra> well, lets see how its on the real HW they release :) 13:06 < NCommander> asac: gnome-panel? As far as we know,m but I didnt get to abuse the board :-) 13:06 < asac> on the AA topic: i think it was said that AA backports are not needed, but good to have 13:06 < ogra> that test board isnt really what we'll get, no ? 13:06 < asac> i think its safe to assume its fixed 13:07 < ogra> asac, well, before cooloney idles in front of his desk ... its nice to have the AA backports :) 13:07 < NCommander> I think we can say the same for the next action item 13:07 < asac> NCommander: gimme an action to tell ericm to smoke test the panel a bit 13:07 < asac> cooloney: so yeah. please backport the bitgs 13:07 < cooloney> ogra: right, and according to JJ, it is not very hard to do that 13:07 < plars> I tested for the gnome-panel crash for a while over the sprint, and was unable to reproduce with the latest round of kernels 13:07 < ogra> right 13:07 < NCommander> [action] ericm to smoke-test gnome-panel on dove x0 with kernel patches 13:07 < MootBot> ACTION received: ericm to smoke-test gnome-panel on dove x0 with kernel patches 13:07 < NCommander> asac, ericm, and NCommander to talk about Thumb2 issues after the meeting and report back. 13:07 < asac> plars: thanks 13:07 < NCommander> er 13:07 < NCommander> [topic] asac, ericm, and NCommander to talk about Thumb2 issues after the meeting and report back. 13:07 < MootBot> New Topic: asac, ericm, and NCommander to talk about Thumb2 issues after the meeting and report back. 13:07 < ogra> plars, on X0 or older HW ? 13:08 < plars> no, on Y1 13:08 < ogra> ah, very cool! 13:08 * ogra takes back his staement from above then 13:08 < ogra> i thought we only had it gone on X0 13:08 < plars> but since we didn't have a perfect way to reproduce, and it didn't happen every time, it's also possible that I just got lucky 13:08 < NCommander> so on thumb2 issues, yX is hardware bugs and fubared. X0 with kernel patches is stable 13:08 -!- StevenK [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:09 * NCommander fixed his spacebar! 13:09 < NCommander> woo 13:09 < NCommander> [topic] cooloney to ping fsl for more reliable chip rev checking method. 13:09 < MootBot> New Topic: cooloney to ping fsl for more reliable chip rev checking method. 13:10 < StevenK> Apologies, I thought I already was in the channel 13:10 < cooloney> yeah, i think that is an old action 13:10 < ogra> yeah 13:10 < cooloney> i got confirmation from fsl already 13:10 < ogra> i asked last meeting to have it dropped 13:11 < cooloney> our patch about the chip rev is right. 13:11 < NCommander> ok then 13:11 < cooloney> and the uboot might have some patch to fix that 13:11 < NCommander> [topic] cooloney to ping fsl about suspend 13:11 < MootBot> New Topic: cooloney to ping fsl about suspend 13:11 < ogra> it has 13:11 < ogra> same issue 13:11 < ogra> i asked to drop it 13:11 < ogra> works and all 13:11 < NCommander> cool! 13:11 < JamieBennett> woo 13:11 < NCommander> [topic] NCommander to investigate ericm's xorg naming bug 13:11 < MootBot> New Topic: NCommander to investigate ericm's xorg naming bug 13:11 < cooloney> suspend actually no further feedback from fsl, 13:11 * NCommander honestly has no idea what this AI was 13:11 < cooloney> thanks ogra 13:12 < NCommander> [topic] persia, asac, Gruemaster to discuss meeting rotation schedule and report back. 13:12 < MootBot> New Topic: persia, asac, Gruemaster to discuss meeting rotation schedule and report back. 13:12 < cooloney> NCommander: lol 13:12 < asac> we didint reach consent on that 13:12 < asac> push forward 13:12 < NCommander> asac: c/o? 13:12 < asac> yes 13:12 < NCommander> asac: right, carry over :-) 13:12 < NCommander> [topic] Standing Items 13:12 < MootBot> New Topic: Standing Items 13:13 * persia failed completely, and sends out the appropriate email 13:13 < NCommander> The burndown chart page seems to be broken (or old link) 13:13 < GrueMaster> you have my full consent to move it to a more reasonable time for the PST timezone. 13:13 < asac> that url is broken 13:13 < NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) 13:13 < MootBot> New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) 13:13 < asac> hey 13:13 < NCommander> asac: whats the right URL? 13:13 < asac> please start on top 13:13 < JamieBennett> NCommander yes its broken, use the people.u.c link 13:13 < cooloney> fsl kernel was uploaded today 13:13 < cooloney> it includes some backport features. 13:13 < asac> please use the last weeks wiki to start a new weeks wiki ;) 13:13 < asac> last one was people already? 13:14 < ogra> http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:14 < MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:14 < asac> sorry. lets continue with kernel 13:14 < asac> because NCommander already started that 13:14 < asac> we can go back afte3r that 13:14 < asac> cooloney: go ahead 13:14 < ogra> we're so greeeen 13:14 < NCommander> ogra: green? 13:14 < ogra> (back to kernel, yeah) 13:14 < asac> heh 13:14 < cooloney> i'm working on the USB issue 13:14 < asac> great. 13:14 < asac> mine? 13:14 < cooloney> and ethernet issue 13:15 < ogra> yeha, me wouls love to see bug 457878 fixed 13:15 < asac> any ideas whats going on for the carrier thing? 13:15 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 457878 in linux-fsl-imx51 "imx51 on board ethernet plug/unplug events not detected" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/457878 13:15 < ogra> *would even 13:15 < asac> cooloney: do you need help from fsl on that? 13:15 < cooloney> ogra: yeah, that is very annoy 13:15 < cooloney> asac: yeah, please help me to ping them. 13:15 < ogra> i personally think its not properly integrated with mii 13:15 < asac> cooloney: i will raise the ethernet issue on todays call 13:15 < cooloney> actually, i ping them before about this 13:15 < ogra> lets bring it up on the call 13:15 < cooloney> asac: cool 13:15 < asac> cooloney: can you forward me the mail you sent last time? 13:16 < asac> i will ensure they look 13:16 < cooloney> asac: ok, will do soon, 13:16 < cooloney> next time i will keep you in the loop 13:16 < asac> thx 13:16 < NCommander> ok to move onto burndown charts? 13:16 < asac> anything else on kernel? 13:16 < asac> ericm isnt here 13:16 < ogra> please test todays imx upload extensively 13:16 < NCommander> [topic] Burndown Chart 13:16 < MootBot> New Topic: Burndown Chart 13:16 < NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:17 < asac> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:17 < MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:17 < MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:17 < ogra> we have some new features that were never tested before 13:17 < asac> oops ;) 13:17 < asac> [LINK] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html 13:17 < MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html 13:17 * NCommander kicks his lagging 13:17 < asac> so ... alpha-3 is what is our real goal 13:17 < asac> the full cycle chart is a bit lying to us 13:17 -!- ericm_ [~email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:17 < asac> because stuff needs to be finishef by alpha-3 13:17 < ogra> bah 13:17 < ogra> but iots greener ! 13:17 < ogra> *its 13:17 -!- Keybuk [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 13:17 < NCommander> ugh 13:17 * cooloney is apt-get upgrading on his board 13:17 < asac> yes. it gives us a false pov 13:18 < ogra> pfft 13:18 < NCommander> :-/ 13:18 * ogra likes the more positive pov 13:18 < StevenK> mobile-lucid-arm-une is waiting on everything else, 13:18 < asac> StevenK: waiting on what in particular? 13:18 -!- Keybuk [~email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:18 < StevenK> Such as chromium, office suite, etc 13:18 * NCommander agrees with ogra 13:18 < asac> StevenK: those work items are in the other specs arent they? 13:18 < asac> imo we can kill them there 13:19 < asac> GNOME games refactored and split: TODO 13:19 < asac> whats up with that? 13:19 < asac> can we set that to DONE? 13:19 < StevenK> asac: Right, but -arm-une has a work item for "drive all the other specs to completion" 13:19 < ogra> isnt that desktop team work anyway ? 13:19 < asac> and coordinate with -desktop team on the rest? 13:19 < asac> StevenK: document a high level summary of the arm UNE changes at the end of cycle: TODO 13:19 * ogra fuels up StevenK 13:19 < asac> that one should be targetted for lucid-beta-2 13:19 < asac> or so 13:19 < asac> let me do that 13:20 < StevenK> Excellent 13:20 < StevenK> I'll talk to seb about gnome-games tomorrow 13:20 < StevenK> Or someone in his timezone can, I don't mind 13:20 < asac> ok 13:20 < StevenK> Personally, I fail to see the point, the armel UNE images are *tiny*& 13:20 < asac> i am fine with setting that to done/postponed or assigning it to didrocks 13:20 < StevenK> s/&// 13:20 < asac> ok 13:20 < NCommander> StevenK: how tiny? 13:20 < asac> then lets set that to DONE 13:20 * NCommander can't get on cdimage.u.c 13:21 < asac> in case we are happy with the current games 13:21 < ogra> NCommander, 500something 13:21 < asac> if not we might want to add more 13:21 < NCommander> ogra: wow. 13:21 * NCommander wonders how much the langpacks are eating up though 13:21 < asac> plars: mobile-lucid-bringup-testing 13:21 < asac> is blocking on what? 13:21 < StevenK> NCommander: dove is 491, imx51 is 520 13:21 < StevenK> *tiny* 13:21 < ogra> we'll get gnumeric and abiword in the next one though 13:21 < ogra> that will grow a bit again 13:21 < StevenK> Sure, but I'm guessing only to 550 or so 13:22 < ogra> unless we keep out these changes 13:22 < GrueMaster> What is our image size limit? 13:22 < plars> asac: the implementation in checkbox is done, just need to do some testing of the images with it. I will try to get to it this week, but I'm also hammering out other things 13:22 < NCommander> ogra: I thought we were moving to google docs 13:22 < StevenK> 1G 13:22 < ogra> GrueMaster, img has 1G iirc 13:22 < StevenK> In the code, anyway 13:22 < StevenK> davidm has been saying as small as possible 13:22 * NCommander notes that can be changed if we have a valid reason to but IMHO, smaller images == doubleplusgood 13:22 < plars> such as the suspend resume, some transitioning of pairwise testing to its own iso tracker space, and getting the une-armel images setup for iso tracker for A3 13:22 < asac> ok 13:23 < asac> NCommander: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-softboot-loader 13:23 < asac> still has one item open 13:23 < asac> kill or keep? 13:23 -!- Lure [~quassel@ubuntu/member/lure] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:23 < ogra> do we want to add as many langs to our images as possible btw ? 13:23 < asac> Retest kexec() on dove and imx51 final [3 hours]: TODO 13:23 < plars> asac: is there something else I should do to mark mobile-lucid-bringup-testing done? 13:23 < NCommander> asac: need to poke someone with an imx51 board to test 13:23 < ogra> if we have so much space 13:23 < NCommander> asac: it failed on dove. 13:23 < davidm> image needs to stay under 700M 13:23 < NCommander> who wants the action item? 13:23 < ericm_> cooloney, how's kexec on imx51? 13:23 * ogra will ask that later again in the image discussion 13:23 < davidm> Needs to fit a CD 13:23 < asac> NCommander: please give us instructions 13:23 < ogra> davidm, huh ? 13:23 < ogra> davidm, it cant 13:23 < StevenK> davidm: I'm happy to tread on the code to enforce that 13:24 < asac> plars: only what is left in the WIs 13:24 < ogra> davidm, armel img ... SD card images ... CD doesnt make any sense 13:24 < asac> plars: "Write a script to pull in arm specific system information (i.e. uboot version): TODO" 13:24 < asac> if you cant do that, postpone 13:24 < StevenK> Actually, it probably needs to be a little smaller, like 650, if you want to actually burn the .img itself to a CD 13:24 < davidm> ogra, Cd is only cheap way to ship images that can then be installed to USB stick 13:24 < persia> CD *does* make sense. While not many boards can boot from CD, being able to put the image on a CD significantly eases distribution. 13:24 < plars> asac: ah, well I was going to just mark that one done (forgot about it actually) since we're pulling in all we can right now. We can revisit later if more things become available 13:24 < ogra> davidm, DVD works too, no ? 13:25 -!- virtuald [~vld@unaffiliated/virtuald] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:25 < NCommander> ogra: DVD blanks cost more 13:25 < davidm> ogra, more expensive 13:25 < asac> plars: ok. then its done - implemented 13:25 < NCommander> and DVD burners are not ubiquious yet 13:25 < cooloney> ericm_: i did not test yet, it is supposed to fail, heh 13:25 < ogra> a few cents 13:25 < dmart> IMHO, >= 650MB does not qualify as "as small as possible" --- so fitting on a CD should not be a problem 13:25 < NCommander> cooloney: ouch. why? 13:25 < persia> ogra: Adds up when multiplied by a very large number :) 13:25 < asac> plars: i set it done 13:25 < StevenK> davidm: Does 520 quality? :-) 13:25 < cooloney> NCommander: oh, i got a bug about that. 13:25 < StevenK> Er, qualify 13:25 < ogra> dmart, its a question of languages we ship 13:25 * ogra would prefer to ship more langs 13:25 < NCommander> cooloney: so can I kill to action item to test kexec on ARM? 13:25 < StevenK> Sorry, I'm fading fast, not quite in the Australian timezone yet 13:26 < cooloney> NCommander: just try to fix it, heh, 13:26 < asac> we can ship 700M 13:26 < dmart> ogra, ~ how much space does each lang take? 13:26 < ogra> sure 13:26 < ogra> its just a waste imho 13:26 < asac> please fill it up with as many langs as possible 13:26 < NCommander> cooloney: ENOIMX51HW 13:26 < StevenK> Roughly 15MB or so 13:26 < asac> StevenK: can you do that programatically? 13:26 < NCommander> Can we take this off the meeting, and come back with a resolution? 13:26 < cooloney> NCommander: ok, let me do it 13:26 -!- njpatel [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:26 -!- Lure [~email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:26 -!- Lure [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has quit [Changing host] 13:26 -!- Lure [~quassel@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:26 < ogra> dmart, depends on the language, but an average of 15M might be the number here 13:26 < dmart> Filling up any space on a CD with langs is OK; its the size of the typical install we care about 13:26 < StevenK> asac: No, it involes handwavy crap, and I need to make sure I don't step on the i386 image 13:26 < cooloney> ericm_: it might be a common feature missing on ARM v7 13:27 < ogra> i.e. chinese is a lot bigger than german 13:27 < asac> StevenK: ok. so lets do that before beta and RC/final 13:27 < ericm_> cooloney, someone reported a success on omap 13:27 < StevenK> I can start doing that now 13:27 < ogra> dmart, right thats below 600M anyway 13:27 < StevenK> I can also fix the code to cry if it's above say, 600MB? 13:27 < dmart> sure 13:27 < ogra> for the live image 13:27 < asac> [ACTION] StevenK to talk to pitti how to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 13:27 < StevenK> I don't need pitti 13:27 < cooloney> ericm_: is that because they applied the patches from Tony you posted to me? 13:27 < StevenK> I just need to do it 13:27 < ogra> right 13:28 < ericm_> cooloney, exactly 13:28 < ogra> just a simple seed change 13:28 < asac> StevenK: then skip the pitti part 13:28 < asac> ;) 13:28 < ogra> and a matter of us selecting which langs 13:28 < StevenK> [ACTION] StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 13:28 < StevenK> NCommander: ^ 13:28 < cooloney> ericm_: good, so i think we can file are bug named kexec fails on ARM v7 13:28 < NCommander> [ACTION] StevenK to fill armel image with lang packs without breaking i386/amd64 13:28 < ogra> [action] team to discuss which langs we want to ship 13:28 < MootBot> ACTION received: StevenK to fill armel image with lang packs without breaking i386/amd64 13:28 < ogra> NCommander, ^^^ 13:28 < ogra> :) 13:28 < NCommander> anyway 13:28 < cooloney> ericm_: then mark fsl, mvl and versatile v7 kexec bug as duplicated 13:28 < ericm_> NCommander, maybe we'll wait cooloney to see the result to kill soft-boot-loader or not, most likely not able to get this into lucid 13:28 < StevenK> We don't build UNE for amd64, fail 13:28 < asac> ogra: thats a none issue 13:29 < NCommander> [action] Team to discuss langs to ship on armel images by default 13:29 < ogra> asac, why ? 13:29 < MootBot> ACTION received: Team to discuss langs to ship on armel images by default 13:29 < NCommander> Ok, people 13:29 < NCommander> we're getting off topic 13:29 < asac> because we follow the same fill up algorithm that is used by desktoP/une 13:29 < ogra> asac, we cant ship all, so we need to make a pick 13:29 < StevenK> So, shall I also change the code for .img oversize? 13:29 < asac> ogra: there are rules 13:29 < ogra> asac, but we can ship a lot more 13:29 * StevenK votes for tlh 13:29 < ogra> asac, there are 13:29 < asac> ogra: there are rules ;) 13:29 < NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) 13:29 < MootBot> New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) 13:29 < ogra> ? 13:30 < plars> The pairwise install testing has a place now on iso tracker 13:30 < asac> ogra: lets discuss that offline. 13:30 < ogra> yeah 13:30 < asac> plars: great 13:30 < GrueMaster> Not much to report image wise, as we haven't had a new image since last week. 13:30 < plars> And has been announced on the mailing list 13:30 < plars> but... 13:30 < plars> it's moving (kinda) 13:30 < asac> GrueMaster: ok 13:30 < plars> [LINK] http://pairwise.qa.ubuntu.com/ 13:30 < MootBot> LINK received: http://pairwise.qa.ubuntu.com/ 13:30 < plars> I just got that this morning 13:30 < asac> GrueMaster: did you make progress on a standardized weekly QA report? 13:30 < plars> so I'll be transitioning the tests over it today, most likely 13:30 < GrueMaster> Not yet. 13:31 < asac> GrueMaster: ok. just think about it. and maybe present it at next week meeting. 13:31 < plars> once that's done, we can run the tests off of there full time, rather than having to tip-toe around milestone testing 13:31 < GrueMaster> Since the image has changed from Desktop to UNE, testing will change quite a bit (other than install testing) 13:31 < asac> plars: will the QA team also do that for other archs? 13:31 -!- njpatel [~email@example.com] has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:31 < StevenK> asac: WRT -arm-une, there is no -beta-2 milestone 13:32 < asac> StevenK: i used beta-1 13:32 < ogra> there should be 13:32 < asac> if i did a typo, please fix that 13:32 < plars> asac: I haven't heard for certain what their plans are for that, for now, it's only on armel 13:32 < plars> but that will still benefit all archs 13:32 < asac> and yes, there is a beta-2 13:32 < plars> to some degree at least 13:32 < asac> plars: ok. lets show them how well it works 13:32 < asac> ;) 13:32 < NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) 13:32 < MootBot> New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) 13:32 < JamieBennett> Looking fine, we have the 2D launcher UI (with a few bugs) and 33% faster live-cd boots ;) ! 13:32 < asac> \o/ 13:33 < StevenK> I have a drop-down for setting the milestone, and beta-2 isn't it 13:33 < NCommander> \o/ 13:33 < asac> JamieBennett: can you make a few screenshots of both themes? 13:33 < asac> i would like to blog about it 13:33 -!- Pendulum [~stephanie@pdpc/supporter/28for7/Pendulum] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:33 < NCommander> JamieBennett: thats a win. 13:33 < JamieBennett> asac: Will do 13:33 < ogra> JamieBennett, did you find anything about the new casper issues ? 13:33 < asac> thx 13:33 < StevenK> We have failing images currently, due to new components from the DX team 13:33 < JamieBennett> I'll blog about speedups too 13:33 < ogra> yay 13:33 < JamieBennett> ogra: no, started on it yesterday but got pulled into something else 13:33 < StevenK> Which is now blocked on mono 13:33 < asac> JamieBennett: are you on planet? 13:33 < ogra> JamieBennett, you are on planet, right ? 13:33 < ogra> heh 13:33 < ogra> snap 13:34 < JamieBennett> no 13:34 < ogra> get there first ! 13:34 < JamieBennett> you have to be an ubuntu member no? 13:34 < NCommander> ogra: he has to be an Ubuntu Member to be on planet I believe 13:34 < ogra> hrm, right 13:34 < JamieBennett> I'm on a few other planets 13:34 * NCommander is hearing an echo in here this morning 13:34 < asac> ok 13:34 < asac> just blog and let me know 13:34 < asac> i can forward it 13:34 < JamieBennett> OK 13:34 < ogra> yeah, we can all link to it 13:34 < JamieBennett> :) 13:35 < NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) 13:35 < MootBot> New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) 13:35 < asac> ok lightweight browser spec isnt decided yet 13:35 * ogra sees us all owning planet for a day all postin the same link :) 13:35 < asac> NCommander: thanks for moving so quickly 13:35 < StevenK> Ahhh, it's Ubuntu ubuntu-10.04-beta-2 13:35 < asac> dmart: can we discuss the feature comparison? 13:35 < asac> for lightweight browser? 13:35 < NCommander> asac: I'm trying to organize chaos^W the meeting 13:35 < dmart> asac, did you need more from me on lightweight browser? I think I'd done all I can do for now... 13:36 < asac> dmart: you sent startup time? 13:36 < asac> comparison? 13:36 * asac has to make a wiki out of it 13:36 < dmart> Hmmm, maybe not 13:36 < dyfet> And I am working on mov related items in the ftbfs 13:36 < dmart> asac, do you want to continue that one offline? 13:36 < asac> dmart: startup time is an importnat one ... would be great if you could get that 13:36 < asac> dmart: yes 13:36 < NCommander> python-qt4 was cleared last week 13:36 < asac> dmart: lets dot hat after this meeting 13:36 < dyfet> as was boost 13:36 < dmart> asac, OK 13:36 < NCommander> Which should unblock KDE which should make the FTBFS list a lot happier after 4.4 hits the archive 13:37 < asac> NCommander: moving quickly doesnt help removing chaos 13:37 < asac> NCommander: you just start a new topic 13:37 < asac> while another is still ongoing -> more chaos 13:37 < ogra> NCommander, where is my since two weeks promised likewise bug for the server team ??? 13:37 * StevenK watches the mono build with interest 13:37 * ogra really just wants that bug 13:37 < NCommander> ogra: still ongoing. I filed a bug on it 13:37 < ogra> # ? 13:38 -!- DavidLevin [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:38 < StevenK> You filed on a bug about that you need to file a bug? 13:38 < ogra> heh 13:38 < NCommander> ogra: don't have it handy (I'm having some connectivity issues, LP is going about as fast as molasses in winter ATM) 13:38 < ogra> apparently 13:38 < StevenK> Isn't that somewhat ... circular? 13:38 < asac> on arm porting we finished all swp to thumb2 ports 13:38 < asac> we are now moving to the "mov" bugs 13:38 < asac> dyfet: are oyu on that? 13:38 < dyfet> yes 13:38 < NCommander> asac: maybe we should do another mass bug filing and then split the bugs up 13:39 < asac> dyfet: want me to give you chunks or will you jus finish? 13:39 < dyfet> well, if you want to assign specific ones to do first, that would be okay 13:39 < ogra> is there any deadline when we *have* to have that ? 13:39 < asac> dyfet: ok i will assign you a couple for today and tomorrow 13:39 < dyfet> cool :) 13:39 < asac> dyfet: i think getting the list down to just a couple this week should be possible 13:39 < asac> and needed 13:40 < asac> NCommander: we already have bugs for the porting stuff 13:40 < asac> NCommander: want to help? 13:40 -!- Pretto [~pretto@ubuntu/member/pretto] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:40 < asac> i will assing you a couple of bugs if so 13:40 < asac> guess makes sense as you cant really do much for dove atm 13:40 < NCommander> asac: sure, although I'm limited to the porting box and dyfet's boards 13:40 < asac> [action] asac to assign thumb2 porting bugs to team 13:40 < asac> NCommander: thats ok 13:40 < NCommander> [action] asaca to assign thumb2 porting bugs to team 13:40 < MootBot> ACTION received: asaca to assign thumb2 porting bugs to team 13:41 < dmart> Related to this, I was wondering whether a kind of sprint on the Thumb-2 issues would be a good idea --- I tacked it on the end of the agenda. 13:41 < ogra> didnt we have a spare babbage at the sprint ? 13:41 < NCommander> dmart: we'll get to that at ABO 13:41 < dmart> ok 13:41 < NCommander> ogra: one was dead, and one went with StevenK 13:41 < ogra> ah, i mean the dead one possibly 13:41 < NCommander> ogra: TBH, I forgot where the dead one went 13:41 < asac> dmart: you mean a real world sprint? 13:41 < asac> or irc sprints? 13:42 < dmart> asac, irc was my first thought 13:42 < JamieBennett> dead one went to GrueMaster 13:42 < asac> yeah 13:42 < asac> we can do that 13:42 < JamieBennett> StevenK took one and NCommander took one too 13:42 < NCommander> JamieBennett: I didn't take one 13:42 < NCommander> at least 13:42 < NCommander> I don't think I did 13:42 < StevenK> persia did 13:42 < asac> [action] asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute 13:42 < ogra> dmart, asac, though a real world one around beta time would probably bee a good isea as well 13:42 < persia> I received one: maybe that's the one NCommander took 13:42 < ogra> *idea 13:42 < JamieBennett> Ah persioa took the 2.5 then 13:42 < asac> ogra: lets make that depending on how well we perform 13:43 < ogra> yeah, indeed 13:43 < asac> but yes. we can keep that option i think 13:43 < dmart> ok, we can discuss further later 13:43 < asac> 14:44 < asac> [action] asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute 13:43 < asac> NCommander: ^^ 13:43 < NCommander> [action] asac to organize sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get the team to attend/contribute 13:43 < MootBot> ACTION received: asac to organize sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get the team to attend/contribute 13:43 < asac> ok 13:43 < NCommander> got it 13:43 < asac> next topic? 13:43 < NCommander> [topic] Ubuntu Liquid 13:43 < MootBot> New Topic: Ubuntu Liquid 13:43 < ian_brasil> we have been asked to stop public work on plasma-mobile..the reasoning went something like -> "The product is immature, and doesn't offer significant advancement over plasma-netbook at this time. We expect significant improvements soon, and want to avoid bothering users with the incompatible transition. 13:44 < asac> ok 13:44 < asac> ian_brasil: so even not in univeres? 13:44 < persia> So, while we might end up with some bits and bobs, it's not expected to have something installable for lucid. 13:44 < asac> or just not an image? 13:44 < persia> Not an image, and quite possibly not a -meta 13:44 < persia> (still looking at alternatives) 13:44 < asac> but all the bits and pieces? 13:44 < ian_brasil> we wanted your opinions on what to do 13:45 < ian_brasil> we thought about continuing in a PPA 13:45 < asac> i would say that we should try to get all the bits and pieces in universe 13:45 -!- Lure [~quassel@ubuntu/member/lure] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:45 < NCommander> I say have a meta as a developers preview 13:45 < asac> if thats possible 13:45 < persia> Not necessarily, because upstream doesn't want some stuff shipped, and it messes up other stuff. 13:45 < asac> but keep meta and image postponed 13:45 < ogra> task would be cool 13:45 < persia> Look for more with lucid+1, but for now, kubuntu-netbook is probably the closest thing. 13:45 < ogra> then you could just use the alternate installer or rootstock 13:45 < asac> task is probably not going to fly 13:46 < asac> ian_brasil: so can you check if you can get all the individual pieces in? if not, we can do that in appa 13:46 < asac> ppa 13:46 < asac> i agree 13:46 < asac> we can also think about -meta in ppa ... if thats ok 13:46 < asac> -meta/task 13:46 < ian_brasil> all the pieces minus plasma-mobile 13:46 < persia> tasks in PPAs are hard, but metas are easy. 13:46 < persia> We can do a meta with plasma-netbook, maybe. 13:47 * NCommander can assist with making a meta 13:47 < ian_brasil> NCommander, great 13:47 < ian_brasil> so we continue as normal just minus plasma-mobile? 13:47 < asac> ian_brasil: right. so go ahead and get everything in that you can get in and do the rest in a ppa (if possible) ... document the location of that PPA in the spec 13:47 < ogra> yeah, if done properly you just need to move the seeds later 13:48 < ogra> to have the meta in the archive 13:48 < ian_brasil> that sounds great 13:48 < asac> ok good 13:48 < asac> anything else on liquid? 13:48 -!- Lure [~quassel@ubuntu/member/lure] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:48 < ian_brasil> asac, no 13:48 < NCommander> [topic] Any Other Business 13:48 < MootBot> New Topic: Any Other Business 13:48 < StevenK> Sleep 13:48 < asac> i think we already covered the sprint thing 13:49 < NCommander> Just a headsup 13:49 < asac> shoot 13:49 < NCommander> I'm not going to be online this morning 13:49 < ogra> i think we already covered everything in the chaos :P 13:49 < ogra> NCommander, please send me that bug # before going afk 13:49 < NCommander> I'll be in Boston for this afternoon and probably 1-2 days afterwords; long story. 13:49 < asac> ok 13:49 < dmart> asac: (i think we already covered the sprint thing) agreed - we can follow up after this meeting 13:49 < asac> what does that mean? 13:49 < asac> NCommander: so you take a few vacation days? 13:49 * NCommander is sitting in his car with his cell phone to be here 13:50 < NCommander> asac: no, working as normal, just not home 13:50 < asac> NCommander: working as normal with a cell phone? 13:50 < NCommander> asac: I didn't make it to Boston yet. I tethered my laptop to my phone to sign into the meeting :-) 13:50 < NCommander> Hence the lag. 13:50 < asac> hmm 13:51 < NCommander> and my laptop is propped up on the steering wheel 13:51 < asac> please take vacation or swap day if you travel ;) 13:51 < asac> anyway thanks for the heads iup 13:51 < asac> NCommander: please add your AR 13:51 < JamieBennett> :) 13:51 -!- njpatel [~email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:51 < NCommander> asac: well, if everything went as planned, it would have been unnoticable 13:51 < asac> everyone else ... please add your activity 13:51 < NCommander> But I had a bit of car trouble 13:51 < NCommander> That's why I'm out this morning (I'll be swapping it out) 13:51 < asac> ok 13:51 < asac> NCommander: remember to add your AR ... 13:52 < asac> now 13:52 < ogra> and the bug # 13:52 < NCommander> asac: I'm doing so now 13:52 < StevenK> NCommander: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/images/B000IZGIA8/ref=dp_otherviews_3?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&img=3 13:52 < asac> everony else ... please add AR ... JamieBennett will send out the report in a few hours 13:52 < asac> ;) 13:52 < JamieBennett> will do 13:52 < ogra> StevenK, heh, that need sa special steering wheel, no ? 13:52 < persia> StevenK: Please don't encourage that sort of thing :p 13:52 < asac> ogra: thougth you had frinished your AR ... where is it? 13:52 < StevenK> ogra: Not that I've seen 13:52 < ogra> in your inbox since pre-meeting ? 13:53 < JamieBennett> asac: sent to me 13:53 < asac> ogra: kk 13:53 < NCommander> #endmeeting