February 16th, 2010, 13:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting.
Link to previous meeting
Action Items from February 5th, 2010
- ericm to smoke-test dove images to confirm that the gnome-panel crashes have now been fixed.
persia to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time.
- StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring.
- StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386
asac to blog about the new ARM 2D netbook launcher UI.
JamieBennett to blog about the Casper speed-up work done for the live-cd images.
asac to file mov related Thumb2 bugs and assign them to the team.
asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute
- Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet)
- Livefs builds seem OK for imx51. For dove, no ubuntu-desktop or ubuntu-netbook builds: why?
- Any Other Business
- asac to arrange the next thumb2 team sprint.
- asac to blog about the ARM alpha-3 release.
asac and JamieBennett to discuss the web office spec and come up with a way of moving it forward.
- NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs
GrueMaster to produce a daily report on image testing and add that to the weekly meeting page.
- ogra to produce a rootstock test plan.
- NCommander to investigate KDE FTBFS issues.
- Team to add individual summaries to standing items before meetings.
- New Marvell hardware is starting to proliferate to the team and a commitment was made to test for the gnome-panel bug that was evident on older hardware revisions.
- Talk moved onto rescheduling the meeting again. No real conclusion was made. persia didn't receive many responses to his call for a more appropriate time so the team decided to revisit the item again before the end of this cycle.
JamieBennett mentioned that he had blogged about the new 2D launcher at http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ and the casper speed-up changes at http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/ubuntu-live-cds-now-33-faster/
- The team discussed filling up the cd image with extra language packs if room permitted. ogra informed the team that the best time to do this would be just before the beta's and the rest of the team agreed.
- asac reported that the thumb2 mini team sprint went well and that there was a plan to have another. asac took up the action item to arrange the next one.
Talk moved to work items. It seems there are some work items that need more work, asac and JamieBennett agreed to discuss the web office blueprint after the meeting.
- ericm stated that the Marvell kernel was in pretty good shape with the major outstanding issues being with suspend/resume and hibernate. (bug 516811 and bug 509006). Issues with kexec were still unresolved but were drawing to a conclusion.
- plars indicated that he would like a launchpad team to track bugs related to the ARM image but not exclusive to ARM, a good example of this is the new 2D netbook launcher we have seen this cycle. It was concluded that ubuntu-mobile would do this.
- dyfet and persia reported that they had some success with Thumb2 issues last week with a fix and upload of boost.
- Talk moved to the KDE fail to build issues. More investigation is needed to discover what was happening and NCommander took up the action to do this.
- ogra reported that ARM images were broken due to a problem with cheese.
Jamie Bennett (JamieBennett)
- Investigated casper preseed regression due to recent changes. Turns out to be a product of closing the debconf-communicate channel in the wrong way which leads to the database still being open.
- More testing of the 2D launcher.
- Thumb2 research and mini-sprint with the team.
- Suspend/Hibernate testing on iMX51, now works.
Blogged about the new casper changes - http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/ubuntu-live-cds-now-33-faster/
- Mythbuntu documentation work.
- General team admin, monthly team report, meeting minutes, e.t.c.
- Imaging testing and bug hunting.
- Mythbuntu bug fixing and official documentation proof-reading/editing.
- Finish off packaging work started this week.
- Blog about the new 2D launcher UI.
- Give a talk to a local ARM embedded Linux business about Ubuntu and the work we are doing on ARM platforms.
Michael Casadevall (NCommander)
- Worked for two days from Lexington office
- Began investigation into OOo building issues on ARM and GCC 4.4
- Did work on improving ARM softbootloader to the point of installable proof-of-concept package
- Worked with OEM on showing them how to bring up their Dove boards.
- Investigated making erlang Thumb-2 safe
- Code uses handwritten ARM ASM for bindings, and does direct pointer manipulation in addition to generating its own code. Postponed due to OOo taking higher priority.
- OOo investigation continues
- imx51 board bringups
David Sugar (dyfet)
- Investigated some mono issues
- Trained persia to do some ARM porting
- Worked on gmp arm issue and new arm patch for boost1.40
- Investigated parrot arm issues; generates arm code
- Finished desktop blueprint on sipwitch
- Monday is holiday, Friday will be at scale/8x
- Finish gmp issues and more arm porting issues
Paul Larson (plars)
Transferred the Pairwise testscases and tests from iso tracker to http://pairwise.qa.ubuntu.com
- Submitted a patch for the QA website to add support for the new netbook-armel images. This has already been merged, so everything should be all set for Alpha 3 testing when it begins
- Did some testing on netbook-launcher-efl, submitted some bugs
- Implemented some more tests for the suspend/resume testing blueprint, which has already uncovered some bugs:
- bug #521156 - pluging usb devices while suspended causes crash
- Finish up suspend/resume testing
- Setup and testing on some new hardware that arrived
Tobin Davis (GrueMaster)
- Used extra Dove Y1 boards for pair testing and UNE testing. Posted several bugs so far. Bugs are being marked as invalid due to rapidly changing packages, some of which have little relevance to the bug filed.
- Ran OLVER test suit on imx51 running karmic. Need to compare final results, but noticed segfaults during test execution prompted a rebuild on imx51 to see if it is a platform anomoly. Will do 3 way comparison of final results.
- Will run lsb tests on Dove X0/Lucid as soon as it becomes available. Will also run on imx51 in parallel for comparison.
- Getting some feedback from LSB developers on T2C report generation. Currently, tests run and results are fed into a single large XML file. Would like to have scripts that generate html summary.
- Get Dove X0 running.
- T2C Test report automation
- OLVER Test result verification from Linux Foundation. May reduce number of tests to match lsb production test suite 4.0 to eliminate false failures (about half the current tests).
- Somehow document the time spent on QA testing.
Emmet Hikory (persia)
- Learn lots about Thumb2 porting, and try a couple packages (with success in the case of lwp)
Investigate a strange build-dependencies installation failure for kdebindings (without success )
- Look at schroot FTBFS, also scan for give-back opportunities for armel
- Review state of liquid stuff to try to figure out what can be part of lucid (by FF)
Oliver Grawert (ogra)
* debugging rootstock oem-config integration for the various frontends (very time consuming, still lots of oem-config bugs spotted) * started rootstock gui (mockup under http://people.canonical.com/~ogra/rootstock-gui.png ) * reviewed pm-utils scripts, nothing that gets in our way on armel (yay) * plenty of ftbfs give backs * tested nebook-launcher-efl (some bugs not filed yet (font or icon size not adjustable, plugged devices dont show up in the launcher etc))
* finish rootstock gui to be suitable for FF * turn non FF critical items of rootstock into bugs for proper tracking * still need to collect more detailed vendor info for idle power expectations on imx51 * post FF: upstream uboot patches for imx51
Dave Martin (dmart)
- Had a call with some ARM and Ubuntu guys re browser benchmarking.
It seems there may be not much more we can do for now because of the lack of public rendering speed benchmarks.
Much wiki writing at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Thumb2PortingHowto
- Thumb-2 porting IRC sprint with members of the mobile team. This seemed useful; should plan for another this week.
Spent some time tracking kernel patches to fix the Xorg/pixman video corruption problem -- now posted to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/507503
- Keeping an eye on Thumb-2 bugs and fixes.
- Schedule another Thumb-2 porting session.
- Fill the remaining gaps in the Thumb-2 porting wiki.
- Try to bring lucid up on an SMP platform.
Alexander Sack (asac)
- fixed mono for armel
- organize thumb2 sprint
- sponsor boost1.40, bluez, firefox, djvulibre
- webmail integration
- found a good .ini file with plenty of webmail readers
- implemented treeview for displaying webmail options
- started to implement on-demand favicon feature so we don't need to ship non-free/trademarked icons for google et such
- office integration
- discussing options with team and desktop team
- release team meeting preparations and attendance
- assigned couple of thumb2 porting bugs to team members.
coordinated with ArneGoetje on localized search feature for firefox
- emergency fix for busted langpacks during weekend lp:521876
- get ubufox with yahoo default search provider finished
- call on modemmanager with connman integration
- discuss modemmanager 0.4 roadmap with upstream: focus on roaming, cleaning up dbus apis and other nice things - started to draft freedesktop wiki.
Steve Kowalik (StevenK)
- General recovery from the sprint and terrible flights home.
- A bunch of NBS work, since the list is growing at an unfortunate pace.
- Pull apart go-home-applet, investigating why it is tied to netbook-launcher.
- Keep an eye on images, particularly their size and build times.
- Preliminary work in adding a whole bunch of languages to our images, but not cause a large blow out on i386.
- Thursday archive admin duties.
13:01 < NCommander> [topic] Action Item Review 13:01 < MootBot> New Topic: Action Item Review 13:01 < ogra> mooo 13:01 < JamieBennett> baaa 13:01 * StevenK wavers 13:01 < asac> NCommander: maybe wait till all are here? ;) 13:01 * persia checks mail in hopes of last minute responders 13:01 < NCommander> asac: yup, just waiting a moment 13:01 < asac> good 13:01 < dyfet> hi 13:02 < davidm> hi 13:02 < NCommander> hrm 13:02 * dmart is here 13:02 < NCommander> no ericm or coolney 13:02 < asac> hi dmart 13:02 < dmart> hi there 13:02 < asac> i think in china its holiday 13:02 < NCommander> Oh 13:02 < JamieBennett> dmart: If you feel like adding your AR to the wiki please do :) 13:02 < ogra> still new year ? 13:02 < NCommander> ok 13:02 < asac> almost whole week afaik 13:02 < ogra> wasnt that on friday ? 13:03 < ogra> oh, k 13:03 * GrueMaster is here 13:03 < asac> arne said he is off whole week 13:03 < asac> ok lets get started 13:03 < asac> NCommander: go ;) 13:03 < NCommander> [topic] ericm to smoke-test dove images to confirm that the gnome-panel crashes have now been fixed 13:03 < MootBot> New Topic: ericm to smoke-test dove images to confirm that the gnome-panel crashes have now been fixed 13:03 < NCommander> (I know no ericm, but I have stuff to say) 13:03 < asac> i think someone of us can take that over now 13:03 < NCommander> gnome-panel looked fixed w.r.t to X0, and I can test later today if no one else is setup with X0 13:03 < asac> NCommander: i think you have X0 set up already? 13:03 < dmart> JamieBennett: ok, cam do. Mostly wiki editing though... 13:04 < NCommander> asac: not yet, I'll get it later today 13:04 < asac> NCommander: i have to run at some point today to get an atx power thing for my board 13:04 < GrueMaster> My X0 came yesterday. I'll have it online momentarily. 13:04 < NCommander> GrueMaster: want to take the action item? 13:04 < asac> then it will be up soonish too i hope 13:04 < GrueMaster> Sure, since I have to do testing anyways. 13:04 < asac> great 13:04 < NCommander> [action] GrueMaster to check gnome-panel on X0 and report if crashes have been fixed 13:04 < MootBot> ACTION received: GrueMaster to check gnome-panel on X0 and report if crashes have been fixed 13:04 < plars> seemed to be fixed at the sprint, but I would say everyone booting on their new boards should just keep an eye out for it, since we didn't have a definitive way to reproduce it or not reproduce it 13:05 < NCommander> [topic] persia to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time 13:05 < MootBot> New Topic: persia to investigate into moving the team IRC meeting to a more universally acceptable time 13:05 < asac> plars: we wanted to explicitly smoke test the board extensively when we first get them (we didnt have time to do that during sprint to full extend) 13:05 < persia> Right. So, y'all failed to respond to my mail. I got a total of three responses. 13:05 < asac> was there another? 13:05 * JamieBennett responded 13:05 * plars responded 13:05 < JamieBennett> so just keep it as it is 13:05 * GrueMaster responded. 13:06 < persia> No need to identify yourselves. 13:06 < persia> Anyway, a couple people wanted to move the meeting a couple hours later, but most seemed flexible. 13:07 < asac> any suggestion of time? 13:07 < persia> This or 14:00 is probably best. 13:07 < plars> So, seeing as how (presumably) the people that care about the meeting are here right now, please check ubuntu-mobile mailing list if you have it filtered, and responde to persia's email if you have an opinion on the time of the meeting 13:07 < asac> 1400 UTC feels good if StevenK and persia are fine 13:07 < persia> But 14:00 will slam into the TB meetings when DST comes, as the TB likes to move. 13:08 < asac> well. we should adjust it same as TB meeting i think 13:08 < ogra> ++ 13:08 < JamieBennett> ++ 13:08 < GrueMaster> If the TB likes to move, then they are more flexible about moving away from our meeting. 13:08 < persia> I don't. Daylight savings is for silly countries! 13:08 < StevenK> I'd rather not start a meeting at 1am local time 13:08 * NCommander has no strong preferences 13:08 < ogra> StevenK, 2am better ? 13:08 < StevenK> Worse 13:08 * ogra hides 13:08 < persia> Plus, daylight savings changes in *different* directions in different countries at different times of year, and is messy. 13:09 < asac> we should say we always have meeting in the hour before TB ;) 13:09 < asac> ok ... so from what i understand all but StevenK would be happy with 1400UTC? 13:09 < persia> That's the 1am that was indicated as bad. 13:10 < asac> ok. any other suggestion? 13:10 -!- ericm [~email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:10 < JamieBennett> keep as is? 13:10 < NCommander> hey ericm 13:10 < ericm> hi all, sorry late on this 13:10 < asac> ok ... seems needs more thinking/talks/decision 13:10 < davidm> 01:00 is bad, 05:00 is worse in some ways 13:11 < persia> Keeping it the way it is seems to be least bad given the ranges I was given. The other time that works internationally is around 21:00 UTC, but most of the ranges I received didn't include that. 13:11 < GrueMaster> works for me 13:11 < JamieBennett> davidm: depends on if you have young children who get up at 5am ;) 13:12 < persia> asac: Let's not revisit this for at least a few months, and I'll send another mail. This time is fine for now. 13:12 < asac> ok 13:12 < persia> NCommander: next? 13:12 < ogra> lets revisit it for next release in any case 13:12 < persia> ogra: Seems a good schedule. 13:12 < NCommander> [topic] StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring. 13:12 < MootBot> New Topic: StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring. 13:12 < ogra> cycle switch is a perfect time to make a time swithc too 13:13 -!- fader|away is now known as fader_ 13:13 -!- ian_brasil [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:13 < asac> StevenK: ? 13:13 < asac> ok ... lets move on ... we can check when he is back 13:14 < asac> NCommander: ? 13:14 * NCommander skips StevenK's other action item 13:14 < StevenK> Argh, I've not done that 13:14 < persia> Well, gnome-games seems to now be essentially a metapackage. 13:14 < NCommander> [topic] asac to blog about the new ARM 2D netbook launcher UI. 13:14 < MootBot> New Topic: asac to blog about the new ARM 2D netbook launcher UI. 13:14 < NCommander> Oh,a rgh 13:14 < NCommander> [topic] StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring. 13:14 < MootBot> New Topic: StevenK to talk to seb about gnome-games refactoring. 13:15 < StevenK> But if that's the case (as persia says), then it's unneeded 13:15 < asac> NCommander: make that a "asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary" 13:15 * ogra pointed from planet to JamieBennett's blog entries for the two blogging items 13:15 < JamieBennett> I did something: http://www.linuxuk.org/2010/02/the-new-ui-for-arm-based-ubuntu-devices/ 13:15 * persia double-checks 13:15 < NCommander> Safe to go on? 13:15 < asac> NCommander: ad d the action i mentioned for me 13:16 < ogra> and wipe the two other blog actions 13:16 < NCommander> [topic] StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 13:16 < MootBot> New Topic: StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 13:16 < asac> NCommander: and carry stevenk's item forward 13:16 < ogra> both done in some way 13:16 < NCommander> [action] asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary 13:16 < MootBot> ACTION received: asac to blog about arm alpha-3 summary 13:17 < asac> nevermind for StevenK's item ... go on 13:17 < asac> NCommander: ^ 13:17 < asac> oh 13:17 < asac> StevenK: did the lang fill happen? 13:18 < StevenK> I started it on, and then got distracted 13:18 < asac> will that happen for a3? 13:18 < StevenK> I was going to do it today if images built, and then cheese was broken 13:18 < ogra> yeah 13:19 < ogra> no indication why though 13:19 < ogra> nothing notable on the ftbfs list 13:19 < persia> StevenK: Confirmed: gnome-games now only contains /usr/share/doc/gnome-games/* (and /var/lib/dpkg/info/gnome-games*) 13:19 < StevenK> ogra: Because it was split into multiple packages and the NEW ones landed in universe. 13:19 < ogra> ah 13:19 < ogra> k 13:19 < asac> oh ok 13:20 < StevenK> ogra: And UNE only builds from main 13:20 < ogra> right 13:20 < asac> did the promotion happen now? 13:20 < ogra> which is good :) 13:20 < StevenK> I promoted them like 12 hours ago? 13:20 < asac> i ask you ;) 13:20 < StevenK> No paperwork, no mess, just fix the archive 13:20 < ogra> tnhen tonights build should be fine again 13:20 < JamieBennett> \O/ 13:20 < asac> ok, so lets carry that action forward 13:21 < NCommander> [action] StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 13:21 < MootBot> ACTION received: StevenK to fill up armel img with langs without busting i386 13:21 * ogra doesnt think langpacks are that important atm 13:21 < ogra> we usually dont start to shuffle them before beta 13:21 < StevenK> Then we can leave it be, if you wish 13:21 < ogra> (historically) 13:22 < asac> i dont mind. if you say its better done at later time, scratch that item 13:22 < ogra> well, translations wont happen properly until the UIs are frozen anyway 13:22 < ogra> so they will still be inclomplete 13:22 < persia> Lets do translations later, because the size *will* vary a lot around UIFreeze 13:22 -!- st33med_ [~andrew@ubuntu/member/st33med] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:22 < ogra> right 13:23 < ogra> they are a good beta1 target 13:23 < asac> ok next? 13:23 < NCommander> [topic] asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute 13:23 < MootBot> New Topic: asac to organize couple of sprints on thumb2 porting issues and get team attend/contribute 13:23 < asac> we had one last week 13:23 < asac> we want to do that weekly 13:23 < ogra> first one happened and made us all look dumb :) 13:23 < asac> you also said we wanted another date, right? 13:23 < persia> Can we have the next one starting a little earlier in the day? 13:23 < ogra> (apart from dyfet who rocks wrt assembler) 13:24 < ogra> ! 13:24 < asac> like one where we only work on stuff ... do we need that really? maybe we can make pairs that coordinate when they work together on their own? 13:24 < dmart> I linked an intro to ARM assembler from the porting wiki page now, in case anyone didn't see it. Might help people get started. 13:24 < StevenK> If it's at the same time, I won't make it again 13:24 < asac> persia: i will try ... how many hours? 13:24 < ogra> how about 10:00 UTC ? 13:25 < asac> might be a bit bad for dyfet 13:25 < persia> asac: Even just 2-3 would make it better for me, but then I really just want to know someone is available to work around my inconfidence with assembler. 13:26 -!- Claudinux [~claudio@unaffiliated/claudinux] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:26 < dmart> Sprints are good, but if someone wants to have a go at this stuff at other times, I should still be availble on IRC some of the time. 13:26 < StevenK> 2-3 hours still makes it hard time of day for me to grok ASM 13:26 < asac> ok i will talk to you and StevenK after the meeting to see if there is any good time 13:26 < asac> right 13:26 < persia> asac: If you don't mind bad for you, I'm sure there's a time that works for dyfet, StevenK, and I. 13:27 < asac> well ;) ... dmart also might be good to have 13:27 < asac> if you want to organize a american/asia sprint outside of that its fine. 13:27 < persia> dmart: You're in UTC, right? 13:27 < dmart> yes 13:28 < dmart> I can be available occasionally later if that helps 13:28 < dyfet> And I could try to be early 13:28 < asac> ok i will find a time and schedule ;) 13:28 < persia> Right. We'll discuss times later (in -arm) 13:28 < asac> talk to you 13:29 < asac> go on 13:29 < asac> standing items 13:29 < asac> NCommander: ? 13:29 < NCommander> [topic] Standing Items 13:29 < MootBot> New Topic: Standing Items 13:29 < NCommander> (sorry, RL pulled me away for a sec) 13:29 < NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:29 < MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:29 < asac> [topic] http://macaroni.ubuntu.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html 13:29 < NCommander> [link] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html 13:29 < MootBot> LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile-lucid-alpha-3.html 13:29 < ogra> still broken link, sigh 13:30 < asac> the wiki poage is again wrong ;) 13:30 < asac> macaroni doesnt exist anymore 13:30 < JamieBennett> asac: no you are! 13:30 < JamieBennett> wiki is fine 13:30 < NCommander> ogra: I updated it this morning. Refresh 13:30 < JamieBennett> :) 13:30 < asac> JamieBennett: seems you fixed it ;) 13:30 < asac> i had macaroni here ;) 13:30 * ogra too 13:30 < asac> ok 13:31 < JamieBennett> yeah, fast moving page 13:31 < ogra> :) 13:31 < JamieBennett> are there items there that stand out as problems? 13:31 < asac> i am behind. 13:32 < asac> thumb2 is blocked on two things: a) that we couldnt do the respin before a3 anymore 13:32 < asac> and lib-test 13:32 -!- leoquant [~leor@ubuntu/member/leoquant] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:32 * ogra still needs to finish the rootstock gui stuff ... working on it though and it will wipe the last three items from the spec 13:32 < asac> lightweight browser decision is pending a meeting with security team and robbie 13:33 < asac> and the webservice stuff needs to come after a3; at least email integration is a must imo. for office we might just follow what desktop team does 13:33 < JamieBennett> was a decision made there asac? 13:33 < plars> anything that can be done on those? both have 10 items with no start so far 13:33 < JamieBennett> (office) 13:33 < persia> I think we might need to just follow, because of FeatureFreeze. 13:34 < asac> StevenK: can we drop GNOME games refactored and split: TODO wi? 13:34 < asac> JamieBennett: we will try to go for chromium because of the performance 13:34 < StevenK> asac: Yes, persia has confirmed that desktop has already done it 13:34 < StevenK> We can't seed chromium until it's in main 13:34 < asac> StevenK: please update the blueprint then ;) 13:34 < JamieBennett> asac: what about the web office wi's 13:34 < ogra> desktop pull sOO.o back in 13:34 < asac> JamieBennett: but security update process is messy 13:35 < ogra> *pulls 13:35 < asac> JamieBennett: wanted to talk to you about that after meeting 13:35 < asac> not sure when you need to leave ;) 13:35 < StevenK> Yeah, we can't change components on a per-arch basis 13:35 < JamieBennett> I'm at the dentist after the meeting but I can do something later if your around 13:35 -!- mako [~email@example.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting  13:35 < StevenK> JamieBennett: Anything bad? 13:35 < JamieBennett> StevenK: checkup 13:35 < asac> i would still like to develop it and depending on how well it works either bring it in archive only or make it default on arm (but more likely the former as we are late) 13:35 * JamieBennett notes dentist is always bad 13:36 < StevenK> Ah. I had one of those last week 13:36 < asac> JamieBennett: have fun ;)... i feel with you 13:36 < asac> ok thats it on the blueprints for me 13:36 < asac> lets move on 13:36 < asac> (if you have any blueprint you feel stuck with or are completely out of work items, just let me know offline) 13:36 < asac> ANNOUNCE: ^ ;) 13:37 < NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) 13:37 < MootBot> New Topic: Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm) 13:37 < asac> ericm seems to be heroic ... 13:37 < ericm> so far, waiting for x0 to test the remaining issues on dove 13:37 < asac> attending on vacation 13:37 < asac> ericm: didnt you take the x0 with you after sprint? 13:37 < ogra> or just not a party animal :) 13:38 < ericm> asac, no - returned to Marvell office 13:38 < ericm> ogra, heh - you know me well 13:38 < ogra> :) 13:38 < asac> ericm: right. ok. but you got a confirm that one got shipped to you? 13:39 < ericm> asac, not yet - since all Marvell Shanghai office are on vacation, I'd expect to receive it next week 13:39 < ericm> I'd expect some of you may have received the board? 13:39 < asac> yes 13:39 < plars> yes 13:39 < asac> i got one ... NCommander got one, plars and GrueMaster ;) 13:40 < ericm> so the remaining issues seem to be suspend regression and hibernation issue 13:40 < asac> ericm: bug id? 13:40 < ericm> asac, wait 13:40 -!- Yos [~Yos@pdpc/supporter/active/yos] has quit [Quit: brb] 13:40 * ogra points to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/mobile-lucid-arm-per-soc-powermanagement 13:40 < asac> bug 516811 ? 13:40 < ericm> bug 509006 13:40 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 516811 in linux-mvl-dove "[dove] system hangs with resume after suspend" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/516811 13:40 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 509006 in linux-mvl-dove "[dove] hibernation failed to resume" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509006 13:40 < asac> hmm 13:40 -!- Yos [~Yos@pdpc/supporter/active/yos] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:40 < ogra> bug 502983 13:40 < asac> ericm: both= or just the hibernation one? 13:41 < ubottu> Launchpad bug 502983 in linux-mvl-dove "CONFIG_HIBERNATION needs to be set for dove kernels" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/502983 13:41 < ogra> oh, thats fix released 13:41 < ericm> asac, both - yet last time suspend/resume worked alright on X0 13:41 < ogra> NCommander, can you make sure the above two atre linked on the spec 13:41 < plars> yeah, the option for hibernate is available now, it just doesn't seem to resume the session 13:41 < NCommander> [action] NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs 13:41 < MootBot> ACTION received: NCommander to link power management spec to dove bugs 13:41 < asac> ericm: so do you need testing? 13:41 < ogra> i think i saw saeed work on it in #ubuntu-arm 13:42 < ericm> asac, and Marvell reported their hibernation works - so can possibly get this solved 13:42 < asac> ericm: right. seems you are already working with plars on that 13:42 < ericm> asac, yes 13:42 < ogra> he was developing a patch (with lool's help) 13:42 < ogra> seems the kernel sends a worng keypress event 13:42 < ericm> ogra, that's for the power button, i.e. pressing the power button to invoke the suspend/hibernation/shutdown/restart dialog box 13:42 < asac> ericm: ok good. keep us updated. 13:42 < ogra> ericm, ah 13:42 < ericm> asac, sure 13:42 < asac> anything else on dove ? 13:43 < ericm> kexec works now 13:43 < plars> nice 13:43 < asac> NCommander: please dont link all bugs to spec 13:43 < ericm> the latest issue with initramfs being incorrect I guess affects imx51 as well 13:43 < asac> NCommander: specs are for feature implementation 13:43 < asac> not to track bugs 13:43 < ericm> asac, I've updated all the information on bug 517841 13:43 < asac> if its a bug tracking spec, then we should have milestoned it with beta-1 or 2 13:43 < ubottu> Bug 517841 on http://launchpad.net/bugs/517841 is private 13:44 < ogra> asac, err, we used to do that all the time 13:44 < asac> ericm: yes. i think kexec is fixed now (according to ncommander) 13:44 < ericm> I've yet uploaded a kexec kernel for imx51, not sure if anyone has tested that as well 13:45 < ogra> thats why the specs have the "related bugs" function 13:45 < asac> ogra: we can discus that later. some bugs are ok. but not all bugs 13:45 < ericm> asac, which fix, link? 13:45 < ogra> asac, well, the *related* ones indeed :) 13:45 < asac> ericm: kexec being broken ;) 13:45 < asac> NCommander said its now working 13:46 < NCommander> It is 13:46 < asac> NCommander: so what about 517841? 13:46 < asac> ericm: why is that bug private? 13:46 < ericm> asac, per request by Marvell engineers ..... 13:46 < asac> ok 13:47 < asac> ok lets move on 13:47 < asac> time is running low 13:47 < NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) 13:47 < MootBot> New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) 13:47 < asac> NCommander: QA is first 13:47 < NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) 13:47 < MootBot> New Topic: QA Status (GrueMaster, plars) 13:47 < plars> I wanted to talk about possibly setting up an LP team to subscribe armel/UNE image related bugs against, similar to what we did with UNR last cycle 13:48 < plars> The purpose would mainly be for collecting and tracking bugs that we care about w.r.t. the une armel image 13:48 < asac> plars: why cant we use the armel tag for that? 13:48 < plars> just wanted to see if anyone has strong opinions on this, or about what to name it 13:48 < plars> my suggestion was ubuntu-armel-une or ubuntu-une-armel 13:48 < asac> otherwise i would just suggest to use ubuntu-armel ... 13:48 < asac> err ubnutu-mobile 13:48 < plars> asac: the armel tag is used for *anything* found on armel 13:48 < asac> sorry 13:49 < plars> asac: and ubuntu-armel is for bugs that are confirmed to be specific to armel, and things that the ubuntu-armel team is working on 13:49 < plars> asac: many of the bugs we want/need to track around the une image are not specific to armel at all, but we still care about them since we are the main consumers of the 2d une interface right now 13:49 < asac> plars: yes, ubuntu-mobile i mean. i think thats the best general purpose team suitable for high level apps concerning mobile 13:50 < plars> I'm fine with using ubuntu-mobile, but didn't want to go use that without agreement first 13:50 < asac> any objections? 13:50 < ogra> none 13:50 < asac> lets try that. if someone shows up complaining about bug spam, we can review 13:51 < plars> works for me 13:51 < plars> next? 13:51 < asac> GrueMaster: daily qa report? 13:51 < NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) 13:51 < MootBot> New Topic: ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) 13:51 < asac> NCommander: ring ring 13:51 < asac> ;) 13:51 < NCommander> asac: :-P 13:51 < ogra> GrueMaster is first :) 13:51 < asac> GrueMaster: still your turn 13:51 < asac> ;) 13:52 < GrueMaster> Testing lsb lib on imx51 to compare the results seen on dove karmic. 13:52 -!- rbelem [~rodrigo@pdpc/supporter/professional/rbelem] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:52 < GrueMaster> WIP. 13:52 < GrueMaster> daily testing of new UNE images. 13:52 < GrueMaster> What more can I say? 13:52 < asac> maybe prepare a summary of the daily testing next week on the wiki 13:52 < asac> you can add that to the meeting wiki before 13:53 < GrueMaster> I'm still waiting to hear from the Linux Foundation folks to see if our testing is good. 13:53 * ogra would appreciate if QA could start rootstock tests after FF 13:53 < asac> like what days where the images good, what days they were broken 13:53 < asac> and if you find a bug on some day, maybe add that to that days column 13:53 < ogra> so i get some additional testing 13:53 < asac> ok 13:53 * asac notes that 13:53 < asac> ogra: can you make a testplan 13:53 < asac> ? 13:53 < ogra> asac, sure, i'll do that next week and send it around 13:54 < asac> like a wiki page of combinations to test to hit a few corners? 13:54 < asac> ok 13:54 < asac> ok lets move on then 13:54 < ogra> mainly for oem-config tests and indeed rootstock itself 13:54 < Keybuk> GrueMaster: tangent, I'm testing UNE on i386 daily now 13:54 < GrueMaster> And that does what for armel? 13:54 < plars> ah, good to know :) 13:54 < davidm> Keybuk, is that the 3D version or the 2D version? 13:54 < asac> ok we are in "ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)" 13:54 < asac> now 13:54 < davidm> Keybuk, they are very different 13:55 < asac> any news on that front or can we skip that? 13:55 < JamieBennett> not sure if dyfet has anything to add about Thumb2 stuff but I see no major topics to raise 13:55 < plars> GrueMaster: if you see something that you are unsure if it is specific to armel or not, Keybuk should be able to tell you easily 13:55 < asac> ok lets move on 13:55 < GrueMaster> plars: I also have x86 images that I compare with. 13:55 < asac> NCommander: next topic ;) 13:55 < dmart> Stupid question, but can anyone point me to where the UNE images appear? I haven't been able to find them. 13:55 < NCommander> [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) 13:55 < MootBot> New Topic: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, dyfet) 13:56 < plars> GrueMaster: ok, good I didn't know you were testing it on both i386 and armel 13:56 < asac> dmart: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ 13:56 < asac> ther under ports 13:56 < dmart> asac, thanks 13:56 < ogra> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/ 13:56 < MootBot> LINK received: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-netbook/ports/ 13:56 < ogra> bah, to slow 13:56 -!- RainCT [~RainCT@ubuntu/member/pdpc.student.rainct] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:56 < dmart> MOVING ON 13:56 < asac> NCommander: dyfet: persia: did you make some progress on thumb2 porting end last week= 13:56 < dmart> oops, caps lock 13:56 < asac> ? 13:57 < dyfet> yes we did 13:57 < dyfet> on lwp, and we did get the remaining boose blocker closed I think 13:57 < asac> persia: dyfet: i saw you worked together. very good. did that end in uploads? what packages? 13:57 < ogra> \o/ 13:57 < dyfet> (boost) 13:57 < persia> asac: A bit, but not too much. We picked a bad time, so I was slow, and dyfet was distracted. I did manage to get one correct upload though. 13:57 < ogra> dyfet is a hero ! 13:57 < NCommander> asac: been working on OOo, so nothing new to report, but I've been looking at a strange KDE buld failure with persia 13:57 * ogra cant cheer enough 13:57 < asac> NCommander: right i consider oOO to take some time, but i would think while its bulding you can help on thumb2 and ftbfs ;) 13:58 < asac> help on kde ftbfs is welcome 13:58 < ogra> NCommander, the kde stuff is muchly appreciated since it breaks rootstocks oem-config-kde 13:58 < asac> NCommander: maybe check if the kde issues corralate with the thum2 issues identified 13:58 < persia> ogra: It breaks lots of stuff :) 13:58 < ogra> persia, bah, i dont care about the other stiuff :P 13:58 < persia> asac: No, it's an issue with build-dep resolution. 13:58 * persia cares about liquid 13:58 < NCommander> asac: its a problem of dependency installing. I enlisted persia to help me on this 13:59 < asac> err ... on what? 13:59 * ogra just wears blinds 13:59 < persia> asac: apt-get build-dep kdebindings fails. manually installing all the build deps works. 13:59 * persia is still trying to figure out why 13:59 < asac> anyway. lets move on. i think we are making progress (even if slow) on the porting stuff 13:59 < asac> persia: right. i didnt really refer to that one though ;) 14:00 < asac> just talked about general help on kde being good 14:00 < asac> NCommander: next topic? 14:00 < NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia) 14:00 < MootBot> New Topic: ARM Image Status (ogra, persia) 14:00 < ogra> broken due to cheese :) 14:00 < ogra> but overall good 14:00 < asac> right. thats what i figure 14:00 < asac> not muhc to say there this week i think 14:01 < asac> next? 14:01 < ogra> thats it 14:01 < ogra> AOB i think 14:01 < asac> Ubuntu Liquid? 14:01 < ogra> oh, right 14:01 < asac> should we remove that from the standing items list? 14:01 < rbelem> :-) 14:01 < NCommander> [topic] Ubuntu Liquid 14:01 < MootBot> New Topic: Ubuntu Liquid 14:01 < persia> Please do. 14:01 < asac> rbelem: do you want to keep this item in the meeting? 14:01 < asac> if not, just ping me when you want a slot back in 14:01 < asac> ian_brasil: ^^ 14:01 < persia> I *think* we'll get a -meta and -default-setttings into lucid, but it won't be ideal, and we don't really want anyone to use it. 14:02 < rbelem> nope 14:02 -!- jono [~jono@ubuntu/member/jono] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:02 < persia> Lots of upstream work and fiddling work happening (probably in a PPA) for the rest of the cycle, for a real release in lucid+1 14:02 < asac> [ACTION] NCommander to remove liquid from standing item list 14:02 < ian_brasil> asac, ok..we are targeting lucid +1 now anyway 14:02 < NCommander> [ACTION] NCommander to remove liquid from standing item list 14:02 < MootBot> ACTION received: NCommander to remove liquid from standing item list 14:02 < NCommander> [topic] AOB 14:02 < MootBot> New Topic: AOB 14:03 < asac> i have something, but if you have something go ahead first 14:03 < persia> I had a user ask about hildon-gtk Ubuntu Mobile today (and realise this is a frequent question). Is there consensus that people interested in this area should be redirected to the Mer project? 14:03 * NCommander is glad to have Mer take over hildon stuff 14:03 < asac> would we refuse contributions? 14:03 < ogra> is mer still existing now that there is meegoo ? 14:04 < asac> e.g. is there consent we want to get rid of hildon? 14:04 < rbelem> asac, nope 14:04 < asac> right 14:04 < ogra> asac, every looked at it ? 14:04 < ogra> *ever 14:04 < asac> so i dont think we should redirect them 14:04 < persia> asac: We can't do it right because of the libgtk variation. 14:04 < asac> rather catch them 14:04 < ogra> its painful 14:04 < rbelem> asac, it will be qt based 14:04 < asac> ok misunderstood rbelem's nope i think 14:04 < asac> so ok 14:04 < ogra> yeah, i think that nope was directed to me 14:05 < asac> ok so seems there is a consensus that we redirect ;) 14:05 < JamieBennett> asac: yes 14:05 < ogra> ++ 14:05 < JamieBennett> for now until mer switches to QT 14:05 < rbelem> ++ 14:05 < asac> so from my side i wanted to discuss to make the meeting more efficient. 14:06 < persia> Good. Mind you, some mer folk are moving to Qt, but that's a different issue : at least their codebase works and is a basis for hacking :) 14:06 < ogra> we're only 6 min over time 14:06 < NCommander> If its clearer when to move topics, it would work better for me. 14:06 < asac> right 14:06 < ogra> :) 14:06 < asac> but i think the standing items could as well be filled in on the wiki up front 14:06 < asac> would it be ok for everyone owning those items to spend 10 minutes before the meeting to fill that in? 14:06 -!- Tonio_ [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:06 < ogra> and NCommander asking before switching topics would help too 14:06 < asac> then we can just make a standing items topic ... and raise points we want to discuss rather than getting a full status report typed in ;) 14:07 < asac> yes 14:07 < NCommander> ogra: I've done that plenty of times, no one answers 14:07 < ogra> even if we loose a minute per topic or so due to that it would be better structured 14:07 < asac> NCommander: so usually you should ask ... anything else? can we move on? etc. 14:07 < asac> and give folks a minute or so to move on 14:07 < ogra> right 14:07 -!- rgreening [~email@example.com] has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:07 < asac> its just messy to have interleaving topics discussed. that makes things go longer summed up in my feeling 14:08 < asac> so anyone has problems with filling in the status on his standing items? 14:08 * GrueMaster would also like to see less non-essential chatter. 14:08 < asac> (i would take the work item standing item) 14:08 -!- jrdnyquist [~firstname.lastname@example.org] has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:08 < asac> GrueMaster: right. we can try to remind ourselves everytime it happens 14:08 < ogra> nope, fine with that 14:08 < asac> but its tough ... also its not easy to see what is really essential 14:09 * JamieBennett has to leave 14:09 < asac> what feels essential to you might feel non-essential for others and vice versa 14:09 < ogra> JamieBennett, good luck 14:09 < JamieBennett> :) 14:09 < asac> JamieBennett: good bye 14:09 < GrueMaster> I might be able to fill in the wiki if I had more that a few hours notice prior to the meeting. I would request at least 24 hour notice. 14:09 < asac> ok thanks. i think we are over 14:09 < asac> [ACTION] everyone to fill in status on standing items for next week meeeting 14:09 < asac> NCommander: ^ 14:09 < NCommander> [ACTION] everyone to fill in status on standing items for next week meeeting 14:09 < MootBot> ACTION received: everyone to fill in status on standing items for next week meeeting 14:09 < asac> GrueMaster: notice? 14:09 < ogra> [ACTION] send out meeting reminders on time 14:09 < ogra> :) 14:09 < GrueMaster> Meeting notice. 14:09 < asac> GrueMaster: just add a reminder to your calendar 14:09 < ogra> yeah 14:10 < asac> you can get SMS and stuff like that 14:10 < ogra> gcal is great for that 14:10 < asac> for free 14:10 < GrueMaster> I do, but it is set to ping me 30 minutes prior (as a backup alarm). 14:10 -!- Tonio__ [~email@example.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:10 < persia> (depending on your local telecommunications provider) 14:10 < ogra> though still, we used to have the mail some days earlier 14:10 < asac> GrueMaster: you can add more than one notification for each entry 14:10 < asac> i have one 1 day before and 10 minutes 14:10 < persia> Fridays might be a good day for the mail to be sent. 14:10 < asac> by default 14:10 < ogra> or add a specific reminder entry :) 14:10 < asac> and you can change that individually as well (for things like this meeting reminder) 14:11 < ogra> persia, ++ 14:11 < asac> ok ... i think we are done 14:11 < GrueMaster> And is there a way to add the wiki links to this reminder? 14:11 < ogra> i think there is 14:11 < asac> good point 14:11 -!- nigelb [~nigelb@unaffiliated/nigel-nb/x-7857692] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:11 < persia> GrueMaster: Write a cron job that builds the link based on the date at runtime? 14:11 < asac> [ACTION] JamieBennett to include wiki links to friday reminder; ncommander to include wiki link in weekly reminder 14:11 < asac> NCommander: ^^ 14:12 < NCommander> [ACTION] JamieBennett to include wiki links to friday reminder; ncommander to include wiki link in weekly reminder 14:12 < MootBot> ACTION received: JamieBennett to include wiki links to friday reminder; ncommander to include wiki link in weekly reminder 14:12 < asac> ok ... lets finish... anything else? 14:12 < ogra> thanks 14:12 < asac> thanks all! 14:12 < NCommander> #endmeeting